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>>612116

They'll just sell an upgrade.

isn't this one of those data mining threads some spergs on /pol/ were talking about?

>>612122

What data would they be hoping to find? Just looks like a low-effort OP to me.

>>612127

Yeah, the planes are shit. We have a whole thread on it which is why this thread pretty much has shitpost status. Don't worry your country (assuming you're actually a fucking leaf) will probably be buying them off of us in due time.

>>612131

Aren't you guys like 50% white now?

>>612125

Yeah nvm, it's just a phone posting chink. Some Uni in the US was data mining right wing posts in order to find ways to combat arguments, the file names of their threads (and quality) were similar.

>>612131

>FB2236BB-301C-4635-9ACF-9C….png) (h) (u)

Wew lad, that is some heavy ass coding.

428 kilobytes but it somehow manages to take 50 seconds to download it, and then my computer warns me about it. That's really.... that's really something.

Mods please permaban this faggots VPN terminus.

>>612127

>😄

>>612138

This is the second time someone has given me a garbled scolding about my file names did I miss something??

>>612109

>>612106

Not that I really doubt it but do we have actual evidence that the S-300 or even the S-400 can shoot it down?

>>612155

Simpler systems have gotten lock-ons against the F-35. It has always been well known that the F-35 only has decent stealth nose on, if you can see it from the side, even out-dated systems have a good chance.

>>612155

Like >>612158 already said, the F35 only has decent stealth from the front. In other words the only thing this aircraft might manage to hide from miles away is another aircraft. But the average AA system and radar will lock on it as if it was any other plane.

>>612131

>calls Britain non-white

>is only 61% "European", which includes wops, spics and muzzie balkans

Okay, whatever you say Chang.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=PR&Code1=01&Data=Count&SearchText=Canada&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&A1=All&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1

>>612112

This, honestly. They don't even do most of the work themselves. Cobham outsources something like 95% of the Mk48 contract they're supposed to be building to other companies and just puts together the various components at the end.

>>612171

>If they plane gets in range.

*If the plane gets in range an S-125 could hit it with a good chance.

>>612232

In terms of russian OLS, front on (adiabatic heating) the detection range for an aerodynamic F-16 is 50km, rear on (no afterburner) detection range is 90km.

Considering F-35 is about as aerodynamic as a brick and has an acetylene torch for an engine, it would be detectable for 70km front on and 120km from rear.

BVR starts at 30km, russians have infrared missiles with range of 80km.

The F-35 dogfighting missile is an AIM-9X block II, which have a range of 15km, less than a half of what previous AIM-9's had and less than a third of what AIM-132 have.

>>612171

What platforms use VHF?

>>612235

Disregard that wiki'd it. Does that verify the rumor that Serbs shot down the F-117 by somehow triangulating it with civic applications radio?

>>612236

>inb4 bunch of serboos sperg out about someone mentioning that Dani Zoltán is a Hungarian man with székely ancestry

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>>612236

Three methods:

1. They had really good spies which gathered NATO communications because between-country communications weren't encrypted. These spies let the Serbs work out which airfields NATO used, which helped them map out an "air corridor" through which most aircraft had to come in due to fuel constraints. They put scouts in these corridors with binoculars and cellphones, they mostly couldn't ID aircraft, but they could tell when an aircraft took off or when it was spotted and (by airspeed) where and when it would enter Serbia. This meant that Serbs didn't have to use search radar, which otherwise would have to stay always on, and would be a juicy HARM target.

2. They literally just changed the frequency of their targeting radar, since it no longer worked in X band it could see the stealth aircraft. Now X-band is used because it gives the best accuracy and least interference from rain and other shit, so their accuracy was reduced by changing frequencies…. but it was enough to give them a general location. And they knew where and when the aircraft would come in due to the scouts.

3. They operated the radar in 15 second bursts until the F-117 had opened its bomb bays, which gave them enough of a signature to fire the missile. They couldn't localize the F-117 except by vector, so if the pilot made any changes he'd be safe, but F-117 is a tin can and couldn't maneuver more than a few hundred yards off course before the Mach 3 missile arrived…. and the warhead of the missile was more than enough to cover any attempted escape. When it entered range the proximity fuse (which was unaffected by RAM) exploded and fucked up the tail, which had no redundant surfaces because it was "stealth". Pilot was forced to eject and aircraft glided into a farmers field.

Two key facts to remember in the aftermath: a) better anti-stealth defenses exist today, purpose built for the job and b) F-117 was more stealthy than F-35.

>>612239

>random mention of event

>preemptively starts shitstorm

Hungary joined NATO in 1999, so Dani was willing to kill Hungarians to protect Serbia. Not really seeing where the national pride comes in for someone who was born in Serbia and willing to kill Hungarians.

Also he's a battery commander, he got famous because he was the one willing to do the interview for the documentary.

Does his battalion or brigade commander not deserve credit? How about the commander of the section that fired the missile? Or radar operator or mechanic who made the modification? I seriously doubt it's proud Turan turtles all the way down.

MONGOLIAN THROAT SINGING INTENSIFIES

>>612244

Meant for

>>612236

B O G

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S R B I N

So when are we going to make a compilation of the F-35's shitness?

>>612244

TURKISH RAPEBABY MUMBLES

>>612242

>1. They had really good spies which gathered NATO communications because between-country communications weren't encrypted. These spies let the Serbs work out which airfields NATO used, which helped them map out an "air corridor" through which most aircraft had to come in due to fuel constraints. They put scouts in these corridors with binoculars and cellphones, they mostly couldn't ID aircraft, but they could tell when an aircraft took off or when it was spotted and (by airspeed) where and when it would enter Serbia. This meant that Serbs didn't have to use search radar, which otherwise would have to stay always on, and would be a juicy HARM target.

Sounds extremely hard to apply in real time.

>>612264

You realize that you have more turkic genes than Serbs, right?

>>612283

What we call Turks today are nothing but a mix of old nomadic Turks and Arab shitskins. Original Turks were white until most of them adopted Islam and started to mix with Muslims with the exceptions being Hungarians and Bulgarians. I called him Turkish as from Turkey. Anyway,

>muh serb kebab removers

They can't even defend their borders from Muslims, let alone reconquer Kosovo.

>>612283

>>612286

>>612288

>>612289

The funny thing is,nobody here denies that he was a hu*garian. He is well respected here.

 But lets forget that he was fighting for Serbia,on Serbian equipment and working with Serbian staff,not to mention he was just a cog that found himself at a right time in the right place and knew how to propagate it.

It's this autistic quasi mongolodi faggot here that projects himself on Dani,and acts like Dani was send by Tengri himself,then uplifted to heaven where he wrestled down F-117 with his bare hands and declared this victory the greatest achievement for hu*garians since the invention of composite bow and Rubik's cube.

>>612286

Roaches were never white

>>612303

Persians were, but Turks are mongoloids. I would be surprised if there are more than 100 Persians left in the entire planet.

>>612308

Unless you're implying they have trisomy 21, the vast majority of Turks are converted Greeks/Anatolians/whatever else was running around there during Ottoman times. Barely 50k Turks moved into an area occupied by 2 million people and they barely left a footprint (something like 2% of Turks have Epicanthic folds)

>>612317

Turks in Turkey largely assimilated into the local majority population. As they had a great portion of arab subjects in the Ottoman era, it meant a large influx of arab-turkish mixing, hence todays turkroaches.

Now as ancient Hungarians migrated to the Carpathian Basin, they largely mixed with the Slavic population found there. This, combined with the later influx of Slavs and Germans is why today we are genetically closer to the surrounding Slavs and

Germans than to the Turks. >>612289

Can't be worse than a bunch of (mostly) unarmed arabs going through the Balkan without any country stopping them.

>>612288

Lol, stay mad s*rbgipsy.

>>612289

What's all the bungle on the end of their guns? And holy shit fucking jej at the flashlights saran-wrapped on.

>>612308

Looks like lasertag equipment.

>>612363

I think he was talking about the box at the end of the barrel.

>>612366

Old ass blank adaptors?

>>612359

The box thing is glorified laser tag, also known as the MILES system.

>>612368

Jesus christ he's talking about the laser.

>>612375

The flashlight?

>>612281

Why would you need to do it in real time? War is often about planning ahead…

>>612291

>born in serbia

>considers self serbian

>educated in serbia

>marries serbian

>has serbian kids

>get trained at war by serbs

>go to war against hungary and its allies

>his techs have an idea

>it works

>he talks about it on tv

See if you can spot the step where he became 1000% Mongol. It was when the idea worked.

>>612355

Never-ever. Because they are our allies, we'll fight to the last American to protect them from the evil forces of civilization and basic commons sense. Fun fact average IQ in Serbia jumped by almost 10 points when Kosovo left, that's fucking unheard of.

>>612375

I think I know what you're talking about, it's on their helmet.

>>612116

It's what they get for cancelling the LOSAT missile

>>612387

>War is often about planning ahead…

Planning ahead is not always useful when the keikaku is to commit a blind bullseye on a moderate sized target flying at 900km/h. That shit makes Prison Break seem realistic.

>>612436

>highest IQ

>highest level of blue eyes

>highest level of blond hair

Based Finngols

>>612286

The Original Anatolians were Indo-European; think Troy, and the Hittites. Turkic people originated in central Asian and Migrated to Anatolia in the middle ages

>>612439

>km/h

Is that some sort of electrical energy measurement?

>>612436

I wonder by how much the average IQ of Greece would rise if we deported the 1-2 million shitskins, albanians and slavs. Even with our current atrocious schools I bet it would go 100+. Same goes for the rest of Europe. Deport shitskins and ex-commies and the IQ should increase by 10 points minimum.

>>612544

Kilometres per hour

>>612387

>falling for the " Hungarians are Mongols " meme

>>612436

Notice how the countries that made up that bullshittery are all below us in terms of average IQ?

>>612482

>The Original Anatolians were Indo-European; think Troy, and the Hittites.

Troy was a colony of ancient greece, hittites got wiped out over 2000 years before Turks were a thing.

>>612439

It only had to work once to terrify every opponent into flying at 15km altitude instead of 10km.

>>612567

They had to fit in reaction thrusters which are dead weight if you don't use them, and drag machines if you do. Also lower overall missile size or it wouldn't fit into a F-35.

Don't worry though, block III will fix it by increasing the halved range by 60%. Yes that still makes it 20% less range than non-thrust vectoring variant.

>>612573

ah those delicious semitic genes

>>612573

Chink IQ is artificially overinflated because muh communism.

>>612387

I guess what I wanted to say is that a person would not shoot down an F-117 because the said person was a hu*garian,that person would shoot it down IN SIPTE of being a hu*garian.

Being a hungarian is no laughing matter anon,its serious illness with no known cure,symptoms may include autism,feeling of meritless entitlement and shitposting

>>612580

He shot it down because it was his obligation to do so as a soldier, not because he was a s*rb patriot.

>>612583

>literal Islamic communist country talking about low scores on the (((IQ))) test

Truly jostles my nostle

>>612582

That's exactly my point you hunigger ,you're the one who brought up his ethnicity as if it was the sole reason for his accomplishment.

Is there anything resembling a good piece of aircraft that isn't an overprices, overdesigned shitbucket?

>>612588

>"the eternal Ukrainian

>>612590

Cessna 172

>>612548

Kilo like a kilowatt?

>>612607

>>612607

S-300 has a designated button which lets you lock on to HARMs so you kill them with a missile. You can also just use a Shilka or CIWS.

>>612598

This tbh. Where in US there's CNN that indoctrinates shame into being wary of statistics Russian tv is almost the same thing on all channels except the indoctrination is about Big Russia's Dick, Strong Putin's hand and sucking off to both criminals and politicians alike. especially since you've got to be ether one to not do the sucking The government tries to act like US in spreading "democracy", except instead if it you have a mix of neetsoc/fascist bait mixed with religious fever and lots, lots of Stockholm syndrome. They'd be doing fine for the time of their rule and maybe 1 more generation if they only did steal shit but they try to fuck things up even more, whether it is to prolong the rule or because of actual idiots they let in to support their narrative but the country is basically a 3rd world shithole natural resources dictatorship and is still living only because unlike Africa European investors come and do some shit and the infrastructure from USSR hasn't died out yet.

SAGE for offtopic

>>612592

Sorry Strelok, I meant to say "a good piece of military aircraft in use today" but in my defense I'm pretty sleepy.

>>612620

It's the same in every country the top loots the bottom in a big international peasant fucking orgy.

>>612653

Yes, it means your aircraft have 0 chance against russian AA.

>>612607

>Fat ass Mach 2 missile getting close to a S-300 battery.

That shit is meant to blow up legacy S-125 in third world countries.

A S-300 battery is never alone a tactical Russian AA element is a long range battery (S-300V4 is what Syria gets apparently), a mid-range battery (Buk), a short range regiment (3 batteries, of Tor) and a CIWS regiment (3 batteries, Panstir). All of which have decent chances to shoot down anything flying <Mach 3, Russian AA is not a shield it's an onion.

I say "Russian" but it's not something they came up with, that's how AA has always been done since WWII except NATO has collectively decided that air supremacy was enough after the end of the cold war (mainly because the US industry literally failed to develop mid, short range AA and SPAAG, and was too proud/too corrupt to ever admit it and just buy french/german/swedish systems to fill those gaps. Yes it's 100% lockheed fault that then entirety of NATO AA sucks) and basically everyone retired ground AA systems to have an extra buck to spend on rapefugees (Asians allies didn't. SK and Japan AA have exactly the same doctrine as Russia with the systems to go with it).

That's why shit like Prompt Global Strike program was started, conventional stand off weaponry has very little chances to get through unless you use mass saturation strikes.

>>612155

Of course not. Also Russians themselves admitted their radars can't detect targets with RCS below 0.01 sq. m.

>>612653

S-300 wey dey wanpela designated karamap which gone do lock on to HARMs so you can do kill they plane with wanpela missile. You can wanpela tasol just use wanpela shilka or ciws

>>612706

>believes the Russian claims

>flies over Syria

>Gets shot down by S-300

<w-what the why did the Russians lie to me :(

>>612706

Source?

Genuinely curious

>>612598

You are both right.

>>612607

>the lowest launch/kill ratio in guided missile history

The only reason the -88 is not viewed as a complete failure is because it forced enemy anti-air to momentarily shut down their tracking.

>>612732

What is the answer to the USAF/Military Industrial complex question?

>>612734

6 million more

>>612155

F-35 nose on signature is larger than F-117

F-35 side/dorsal/ventral signature is about the same as F-18ASH

F-35 rear aspect signature is F-16 levels.

tl;dr you can lock onto it with the same tools you use to lock onto 4th gen, the range is just a few percentage points less.\\\

>>612590

F-20 tigershark

>>612607

Every system dating back to Kub has decoys, all are mobile, and most have the missiles on a different truck than the radar if you take out the radar the missiles just get retasked to a different one and all modern IADS use emissions detectors for search.

HARM only works on fixed installations with giant always-on search radars.

>>612679

>that's how AA has always been done since WWII

TBH there have been attempts in America to fix this giant fucking failure, the SLAMRAAM at least gave something similar to Kub system.

>>612740

You're obviously a rapefugee, fuck off to where you came from. Infinity is full.

You will never be on a Syrian ZSU-23 sit and spin cheering with tears in your eyes as you watch an F-35 In flames twirling towards the ground as you watch a long burst of trace rip into the dangling Jew in the parachute.

>>612742

Level of assdevastation: INFINITE

>>612579

And they cheat on everything

>>612745

That's okay because they get to do that with Russian Migs and SU-25s on a daily basis.

>>612756

>this is what burgers actually believe

>>612758

That's funny because I seem to remember all of /pol/ crying about their based Russian SU-25 pilot who got shot down and allegedly killed in his chute by AAA from sand niggers all on tape.

>>613185

>Jets are detected by AA and can be shot down

Woah, holy shit dude!

>I seem to remember all of /pol/

/pol/ got completely swarmed by redditors and cuckchanners in 2017. The invasion started as early as mid 2015 but last year was the nail in the coffin. It's no different than cuckchan's /pol/ at this point. I'm not surprised in the slightest that they care about the Russians.

>>613241

No, he's talking about some russian pilot who got shot down by the turkroaches.

>>613298

That was a Su-24. Same manufacturer, completely different aircraft.

>>612286

>original turks were white

thats just sad that hunroaches believe that

>they can't even defend their borders

sounds like you are just buttmad your country is getting owned by your fellow mudskins

>let alone reconquer Kosovo

you will see

>>613310

>thats just sad that hunroaches believe that

If he is refering to Persians then he is somewhat correct. They were pretty white tbh. But that might only be their skin color. I actually never searched what their actual DNA and bone structure looked like. They might have been mongoloids with white skin after all.

>>613314

Going by linguistics at least, Persians were and are Indo-European, as opposed to Afro-Asiatic (e.g. Jews, Arabs) or Turkic (Turks). Then again, that doesn't prove much, since India is also majority IE (Hindustani), and this kind of ethnic-linguistic conflation has been discouraged since long before current year SocJus.

To say whether Persians are "white" will probably require you to first define what white means.

The US put b2s over Lybia,and the US used cruise missiles to attack Syria. That's all you need to know.

>>613341

If that's the photo from some russian pilot who uploads shits on his instagram then it is photoshopped.

>>613298

That wasn't Su-25, it was Su-24, a simple fighter-bomber. And it got shot down by an F-16 with an AMRAAM.

Also that was literally ordered by CIA/Obama as part of the Turkish Coup. Erdogan apologized for it and is now thinking about leaving NATO because of it.

*simple bomber

>>613352

>1325

>war starts literally because of a wooden bucket

<2015

<your jet gets shot down by a particularly belligerent Blattodea,your men get killed

<clearly an act of war

<1046 days later Turkey is still not a glassed wasteland

Worst timeline ever

>>613352

> Erdogan apologized for it

He did pretty much the opposite, plus though I dislike kemalists more than lowly fundemanentalist ottoman-wannabe roaches, since I consider them more dangerous, I really ducking doubt it was kemalists that constantly bought oil from and gib'd free weapons to the "Caliphate".

>>613356

How highly should Russia value the fact that America may lose its 2nd largest ally?

Please quantify your answer in <number of dead russian pilots>.

>>613241

>changing the story from "superior commie hardware never gets shot down" to "its cool when they get their asses handed to them by third world sand niggers because I slurp east block cock all day and when you kill your enemies, they win"

>>613298

>>613299

>>613302

>>613352

>so many Russian aircraft have been lost in the sandbox that the incident in question has been confused with another one

I'm talking about the SU-25 that got hit by AAA and the pilot emptied his pistol and an-heroed after he hit the ground.

>>612171

Source on pics?

>>613402

>I'm talking about the SU-25 that got hit by AAA and the pilot emptied his pistol and an-heroed after he hit the ground.

That one was shot down by a MANPADS that the totally moderate nice not-jihadi rebels totally don't have courtesy of the not-CIA.

On the bright side it forced Russia to finally go through with the modernization package for the Su-25 (don't ask me why they keep sending the un-upgraded Su-24 and 25 to an active warzone when they could send the small numbers of upgraded ones they do have with very good EW suites. That actually sound like typical slav retardation…)

>>613475

No, its a wise political ploy of cat and mouse!

>>613475

My guess? Upgrades aren't as good as they say, but they don't want the West to know that when one gets shot down in the sandbox by the same shit that was killing the un-upgraded ones. Same maneuver we're going to see the US try to pull when the F-35 shows to be a piece of shot.

>>613475

>don't ask me why they keep sending the un-upgraded Su-24 and 25 to an active warzone

Russia has shit all money.

>>613478

>Upgrades aren't as good as they say, but they don't want the West to know that when one gets shot down in the sandbox by the same shit that was killing the un-upgraded ones.

Nah that's the insane thing, the upgrade suite for Su-25 is the comprehensive modular stuff they can put on anything and the attack helicopters they send to Syria all have them and does work (the only ones that were shotdown were transports hit by AA guns/small arms on approach).

They just didn't want to pay for it.

Note that "CAS is overrated" isn't just a thing in the USAF the Su-25 were slatted for retirement too.

For the Su-24 it's a navy/air force clusterfuck as a lot of the Su-24 technically belong to the Russian navy and not the Russian airforce so the rate of upgrades aren't the same (navy ones are upgraded while the airforce is getting Su-34 to replace them).

>>613402

It's only been confused for something else because people here don't know the difference between Su24 and Su25. It's real easy for retards to confuse things.

>I'm talking about the SU-25 that got hit by AAA and the pilot emptied his pistol and an-heroed after he hit the ground.

That one was hit by a missile, actually flew for a while and carried out its mission, the pilot survived the crash and managed to kill some durkas. I'm really not seeing a negative to the Su25 platform or its pilots here.

>>613409

No you fucking moron, shit happens. Once CIA decided to shoot down that airplane, probably using GPS jamming to get it into Turkish airspace, Putin had two options:

1. Retaliate and drive Turkey closer to America.

2. Use it to drive a wedge between Turkey and America.

He chose the option that CIA DID NOT WANT.

>>613475

They are poor.

Most of their tech is on paper in a vault, only to be built once Russia enters a wartime economy in WWIII.

>>613402

> emptied his pistol and an-heroed after he hit the ground.

He emptied his pistol on durkas and and an heroed with a grenade taking some more durkas with him, you jelly fag?

>>613402

>>changing the story from "superior commie hardware never gets shot down"

Where the fuck did I say that you neotrotskyist cuckservative piece of republican brainwashing?

>>613501

> CIA decided to shoot down that airplane, probably using GPS jamming to get it into Turkish airspace

Sounds plausible solely on how quick the reaction was, the Fencer jumped Kurdistan's fence for less than 10 secs, it was way too convenient that durkeys coincidentally had two F-16 within less than 30 kms range armed with AIM-9X, the latest sidewinder variant that the Durkish Air Force normally has only on planes defending the American Base.

>>613520

Exactly! It was shot down by an F-16, and an F-16 would take about 15 minutes to get into position from the nearest air base. So they launched an F-16 long before any incursion, which suggests either that they have a crystal ball, or they made the incursion happen.

From the Russian position, this is a petty game played by CIA. They killed a Russian pilot for nothing, just to show they can. Russians can be petty too though, so I expect Mexican Cartel to be getting some pretty decent machine guns soon.

>>613475

>don't ask me why they keep sending the un-upgraded Su-24 and 25 to an active warzone

Because upgrades are barely more logistically sound than just buying new built models of the same or similar plane fe Admiral Kuznetsov replaced all her onboard Su-33's with newly built MiG-29K because only the purchase cost for upgrading the Nav Flankers to near Su-30MK standard was sightly smaller than buying the same number of MiGs with largely the same capabilities at much lower maintenance cost, which were also much smaller and could fit 50% more of them on deck.

Being shot down by goatfuckers with 40 year old Stingers isn't something to be normally expected, and the fact that durkas used a rather incriminating AIM-9X to shoot down the Su-24 indicates a really unexpected level of not-even-trying-to-hide from US agents' behalf.

>>613502

They only sent an handful of Su-25 they could have sent the ones that did got the end life upgrades.

They chose not too.

Best guess is that they wanted them to have the AA capacity (the last upgrade lost the AA-8 pylons for jamming pods).

Even most Mi-8 in service have better EW/ECM than the Su-25 they've sent.

For the program itself it's not a lack of money it's pure poor/weird planning and decision very typical of the Russian military that result in the fact that even.

The upgrade from a Su-25 to a SM3 is estimated at only $6.5M per, it's a drop in a bucket (around $1.5B to do the whole fleet spaced out in at least 5, more likely 10, years).

But the whole Su-25 program is weird as fuck, you have to keep in mind that the main factory for them is in Georgia not in Russia so it's not like they're getting new ones any time soon…

>>613531

Well if you got in a fight with a half-dead puppy, and you were being circled by a pack of waiting hyenas, would you spend the majority of your energy fighting the puppy? Would you turn your back on the hyenas?

>>613523

Or they saw foreign fighters approaching their airspace and moved to make a preliminary interdiction as a precaution? When Russian planes probe near US air space they're met by US fighters as soon as they get there. We don't wait for them to breech our airspace before launching fighters. Radar isn't blocked by borders on a map.

>>613556

1 foreign bomber, moving parallel to their border, in a war zone, with legitimate targets on the ground. Even if it wasn't jammed into crossing the border, it is still illegal to shoot it down by international law. That bomber was actually within its rights to cross into Turkish airspace as long as it was only passing through, and left by the shortest path possible. There's literally a provision of international law for that, you can revoke the permission but it has to be delivered to the various embassies, or presented in UN.

>When Russian planes probe near US air space

You mean when they "probe" half a hemisphere away? I don't even know of a case where they came within a hundred miles of America.

>>613560

Tu95's occasionally buzz around Alaska.

>>613574

>>613615

With a neoprene suit a child could swim from "Russia" to "America" in that particular region of the world. Arctic is unrestricted airspace for the simple reason that fucking no one cares if they drop a nuke on some sterile island in nunavut. Also, pic related is Russian claims in the arctic, they want exactly 0 of anything we'd ever want, and they didn't even claim all the things they could have.

Two of you sound like you listen to honest to god television.

Do you have a devil box on your wall?

>>613646

>>613644

What the fuck is happening with this website, half my posts don't go through.

>>613524

>Admiral Kuznetsov replaced all her onboard Su-33's with newly built MiG-29K because only the purchase cost for upgrading the Nav Flankers to near Su-30MK standard was sightly smaller than buying the same number of MiGs with largely the same capabilities at much lower maintenance cost, which were also much smaller and could fit 50% more of them on deck

Nah. The problem with the Kuznetov class carriers are an evolution of the Kiev-class, it's not just a gimmick to cross the Bosphorus they actually are a "missile battle-cruiser with planes".

Per soviet doctrine the job of the plane was strictly AA interdiction and opportunity strike to create room to allow boomers to fire their payload unhindered by US CSG, their main firepower is the missiles.

Since they don't have catapults the Su-33s literally can't get off the bridge with the kind of strike payload it would have on land and the original versions didn't have the suite to do something beside dropping dumb bombs WWII style.

Now the Ulyanovsk supercarrier that they never build was similar to US carriers (to be exact pre-F-18 carriers) which would have carried both MiG-29k for strike missions and Su-33 for air supremacy.

Of course in this day and age Russian boomers don't have to surface to fire so the Kuznetov is being repurposed along the lines of the Ulyanovsk doctrine with a mix of Su-33 and MiG-29 to be a bit more useful in conventional warfare.

The Su-33 modernization program is ongoing despite the fact they're also buying MiG-29, in fact far more Su-33 that would be needed for the now reduced due to the Mig-29 Kuznetov airwings are slatted for upgrade, they probably gonna park them in their Arctic base (their compactness is gonna help with climate controlled hangars).

>>615515

Forgot the link https://www.google.com/maps?ll=37.31421,-116.79350&z=18&t=h

>>615471

>America is confident the F-35 might not get shot down by 40 year old commie SAMs

What a ringing endorsement for Lockheeb.

>>612106

This isn't 4chan, or facebook, or twitter.

>>615559

Ukraine doesn't have modern S-300.

The only one that were modernized to SA-10(e/f) (PM for Russian) were in Crimea…

They still are (I think they moved some of them when they rotated some for S-400. Hell the ones Syria gets for free might be that Ukrainian loot…), the remaining are 90's era PS versions.

Again Greece is in NATO and has a version more recent than the ones Russia gave to Syria (but then the one is syria is probably gonna get slaved to the much more powerful radars that comes with the Russian AA already there).

Russian media are just as retarded when it comes to military matters as any other country.

36Д6М1-1 or M1-1-1 is a shortening referring to a full assembly of the first version of the TIN SHIELD (36D6-40B6M1-KrAZ260).

Half the current NATO countries had (have?) those. Germany, Poland, Czech republic, Bulgaria, the balts. Just pick one ex-commie really.

AFAIK the M is the modernization of the mast assembly.

The modernized version of TIN SHIELD is 5N59, GRAU change the numbers for radars they don't add suffixes save E for export since it's an internal change (unless it's an Ukrainian army thing?).

36D6 is a soviet early warning radar. It's nothing rare or uncommon.

The modernized (PM SA-10(e/f) have a variety of phased array radars added to them (64N6 BIG BIRD, 76N6 CLAM SHELL(c), 30N6 TOMB STONE).

And this is tech that Ukraine just doesn't have to share but, again, Greece does so…

Yeah the whole thing is just a retarded piss contest from both sides.

Since the Americans flew b-2s over Libya but not Syria does this means the Russians have the capability to shoot down the b-2s?

>>615671

>does this means the Russians have the capability to shoot down the b-2s?

Everyone has the capacity to shoot B-2s, we could see B-2s with Phase II radar suites of MIM-23 Hawk batteries.

B-2s were never supposed to fly over their targets they were supposed to sneak up into stand off range undetected (so far far far from any AA) and fire the AGM-86 ALCM equivalent for B-2s (which was never made) which would have taken soviet defenses unaware and possibly allow for a crippling strike that would create a hole in soviet AA and that supersonic (in theory) B-1 could exploit to get in (stand off) range of soviet strategic targets.

The idea that B-2 are stealthy when in missile range is ridiculous, they're far too big.

The cold war stealthy plane tasked with actual suppression of air defense from within missile range were A-117 (which was designated "F" "so it was more attractive to Air Force pilots", I shit you not).

>>615690

but can't those AGMs be easily shot down?

>>615694

>Easily shot down.

Easily is not the right word but yes since the new (and last) generation of soviet AA seem capable of shooting them down, the US developed the AGM-129 to replace the AGM-86.

But just like the Peacekeepers, the AGM-129 never fully replaced the AGM-86 and was ultimately scrapped due to the cold war ending (and outright treason of US politicians that have steadily but surely completely killed all US advanced nuclear capabilities outside of retaliation subs).

>>615694

Is there something that can't be shot down?

>>612138

>.png

>every fucking time

>>615707

They haven't got many kills though, still, better than storks I guess.

>>615694

The trick is to shoot down all of them.

>>615713

Can someone explain to me what it was? Obviously bad ju-ju, but what variety specifically and how can I spot them in the future?

>>615719

Look at the filename.

A fat, blue tongued bitch that works for the CFR is seeding boards with media that shares that filename format in order to determine how information spreads from the chans.

>>615737

It's just a facebook filename you giga autist. Might've had something embedded somehow though

>>615714

Here we have at least one jet fighter loss by storks and no confirmed casualties by herons or cranes.

Keep in mind that not a single S-200 has been destroyed in Syria to date let alone an S-300.

It's nothing more than an empty threat.

>>615988

>F-16 spontaneously erupts in fireball

$15 mil down the drain. Likely a result of long use

>F-35 spontaneously erupts in fireball

$115 mil down the drain. Brand fucking new, no excuses

>>615988

>one F-16 blows up after 40 years of service

>all F-35s blow up on day one

>>615996

>all F-35s blow up on day one

Tell that to the Israelis, bud.

>>615995

>It's okay if we sell shit products because they're cheaper than the other shit product we sell

The honorary Jew strikes again.

>>615998

Fuck off Mikoyan, your jets suck

>>616004

>cyka blyat buy mig-35

Lay off the vodka and maybe you'll make better planes

I SAID PROPER ENGLISH DEUTSCHLAND NIGGER!!!!

>>612711

>>615976

You're massively exaggerating. f16 as designed was perfect, f16 as first produced was garbage, and it progressively got better until its an acceptable 4th gen today

>>615986

And you just outdid him in exaggeration. f16 is maybe tenth or eleventh most produced aircraft in the world, and its only that high because of the sweetheart contracts that came with it, not the actual jet itself

This is what people do when they WANT to have an argument.

>>616094

OK name a single time F-16 flew an actual COMBAT sortie, as in when it was in danger of being shot down by opposing fighters.

>>616110

Israel F-16s shot down as many MiGs as they were typically in 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 situation in the first Lebanon war with 0 loss.

Granted Syrian MiG-21 and 23 were pretty obsolete by then (1982) but they were properly deployed in numbers and backed by ground AA and Radars (while Israeli F-16 were backed by F-15 for the hardest parts).

It's what solidified the F-16 position against the F-5.

Greek Mirages and Turkey F-16 often shoot at each others. Usually the Mirages wins, which is what solidified the Mirage 2000 customer base…

>>615602

So they didn't need radar system, but ordered them anyways? Why?

>>616133

systems*

>>616133

Because they want to train against multiple array?

Because US state department and Ukrainian politicians don't actually know that the US already have an SA-10 system because even if it's on google maps that shit is actually a top secret thing and they don't have the specific clearance to know what the fuck the USAF is doing in Area 76?

Because they're gonna give it to ISIS?

Because they're gonna give it to Israel so they can shoot down civilians planes and say it's Russia train with it?

Because someone important to the US in Ukraine needed a paycheck?

Who knows.

>>616123

>Usually the Mirages wins, which is what solidified the Mirage 2000 customer base…

The trick there though is that in training between Greek F-16s and Greek M2000s the Mirage almost always loses.

>>616145

You joke but it does need additives other than standard JP8 that everything else in US military uses. Also it needs modified fuel trucks because its fuel explodes when heated even slightly.

>>616197

Lel, so the problem in this scenario isn't the F-16 it's the infestation in the Turk ones.

>>616225

>>616197

>Lel, so the problem in this scenario isn't the F-16 it's the infestation in the Turk ones.

Of course.

Soviet MiG 23 didn't have troubles to shot down Paki F-16 too…

That's the biggest and best kept secret of all airforces:

Playing plane VS planes spreadsheets makes about as much sense as the endless AK VS AR threads.

The two things the most important for a plane are:

-The ammo.

-The pilot.

>>616322

Scratch that. The only thing that matters is the pilot. Shitty ammo can hamper performance but it's otherwise irrelevant.

>>616322

Fun fact they're developing AI pilots for war games, and they have a 100% kill rate and 0% loss rate against human pilots given similar positions and equipment.

I believe the AI is called Alpha and so far it only loses in simulators in two cases: In a dogfight it loses about half the time if its flying alone, and in BVR it loses if it's flying a 4th gen alone and the human pilot is flying 5th gen with AWACS support to hit the AI from BVR. In the transition zone between BVR and WVR it wins all of the time, in WVR it wins more often if it has an AI wingman, and in BVR it wins all of the time if the enemy has no AWACS.

It turns out that as long as you know your own capability and the enemys capability, and the two of you know each others general position, the entire art of airborne combat can be reduced to a solvable physics game.

>>616225

>>616322

Pretty much yes, but as much as I would like to brag about our boyz' skills I have to admit that our win ratio against roaches with F-16s is a bit less impressive than with Mirages. That's mostly because while our pilots are fully familiarized with both the F-16's and F-4's capabilities, roaches know Mirage only as an adversary. That combined with the facts that:

>roaches have less hours of training and flight on average

>F-16 is a far more rewarding dogfighter in the hands of experienced pilots due to its shitty instantaneous turn rate but nearly unchallenged sustained turn rate

>the Mirage has substantially better sustained turn rate and high-alpha controlability, that can pressure inexperienced adversaries into panicking

gives the roaches pretty unflattering statistics, even though in red flags they managed to achieve a 9/1 win ratio against chink navy's J-11s (ripped-off Su-27s) with freaking F-4s fucking asian drivers.

>>616599

>Chinks that aren't Freedom Chinks

>Red Flag

uwotm8

>>612697

>>612725

>>613344

With the breathing space of a conquered Britain and North Africa (their oil supply in this scenario), the Germans would have developed their atomic bomb, then fitted it unto V2s to be launched from escorted ships the Atlantic, or they would have developed a 'V3' which could reach the US east coast from the British isles.

The Americans would've lost New York, then Boston, then surrendered, or they would have developed their own nukes around the same time, but in the V3 scenario they still lose due to inferior deterrent.

>>616662

Is this taking into account that the Germans ceased nuclear weapons research early in the war? Albert Speer states that the uranium from the project ended up being used to make uranium core anti-tank shells, but I've found no proof of that.

>>612627

The Saab Gripen has a decent reputation from what I understand. The Chinese are building an aircraft exclusively for export, although I forgot the name, it seemed like a competent 4th gen last I checked. Russians promise a lot but I find a lot of their promises doubtful, just like the Armata I half expect them to not be capable of full scale production and then move back to just producing more Migs or T72s for India or whatever else shitholes.

>>618042

>The Saab Gripen has a decent reputation from what I understand.

We are licensing those from the Swedish, and in my humble opinion a battery or two of S-400 systems with their assorted supporting elements would be a much better investment. A single one would cover the whole country, and a second one would be overkill that guarantess that we don't have to worry about enemy aircraft. Of course, our army is a fucking joke thanks to people like BASED Orbán, so it's just pointless specualtion on my part.

>>616673

Don't let your dreams be dreams krautanon. We can both commit horrible genocide against our enemies in our lifetime. We just need to sacrifice a few things first.

>>618077

>because you could get get Hungarian citizenship if you gave a loan to the state. And it's a loan, so the state paid it back with interest

Are they retarded?

Why not have the government give loans to people (including jews) that can't pay them off so they can start business that the government can seize as part of repossession instead

>>618077

True enough, it's possible to reverse engineer it but that still leaves open the question of if they will actually sell it to EU/NATO in the first place. They've said they are open to it but I doubt anyone has even come forward and asked them about it.

Yeah, that's roughly about what I expected, sounds pretty fucked. Like an honest to god kleptocracy. I guess we really did get a pretty good deal compared to other ex-soviets as our politicians aren't that bad.

>>618080

>Are they retarded?

No, they are traitorous parasites. As I said, those chinks and arabs had to turn in their applications to private companies run by their lackeys. They had to pay various fees to those companies for consultation and whatnot. And they pocketed that money, and left the taxpayers to pay back the loan that the chinkoniggers gave to the government.

>>618081

>They've said they are open to it but I doubt anyone has even come forward and asked them about it.

Turkroaches said something about it and there was some small diplomatic stuff, if I recall correctly. Still, quite a few NATO countries have Russian equipment in their inventory, and not just ex-Warsaw pact countries.

>Like an honest to god kleptocracy

It's even worse, because there have been cases when some government employees called businessmen and told them that "they heard their company is for sale". Which means they will either sell it orsaid employees will use the government's powers to drive it to the ground. You can imagine the effects of this.

>>618120

>Still, quite a few NATO countries have Russian equipment in their inventory

Yeah, but it's largely small arms and some amount of trucks or old Migs that were left over from the Soviets, buying complex radar, missile systems and electronic equipment is a whole new world. I think if anyone intends to buy equipment from the Russians they just gotta be very skeptical.

>It's even worse, because there have been cases when some government employees called businessmen and told them that "they heard their company is for sale". Which means they will either sell it orsaid employees will use the government's powers to drive it to the ground. You can imagine the effects of this.

Christ. Do you think that the current government will be stopped or will it only get worse from here, and what's the general opinion among the people?

>>618140

Well, I do hope that the EU will stop sending them free money so that their system will crumble. Then they will see what real radicalism looks like. Burgers seems to believe that we don't like rapefugees only because Orbán told us to do so. Meanwhile it's quite the opposite. First we were a battlefield between the Habsburgs and moslem turkroaches for a good 150 years (most of the time it was a low intensity conflict, but people suffer from that too). Then we had to fight with the Habsburgs for our independence. Meanwhile that 150 year long war fucked up our demographics so much that only 40-50% of the population were Hungarians, the rest were various immigrants from neighbouring lands. After ww1 a short-lived communist government got us into such an incredibly bad position that the French could gave away 2/3 of our lands to various goatherders. And in the 19th century we had significant jewish immingration which caused lots of problems, as those respectable merchants did destroy the lives of countless people. And that communist government was full of jews. Then after ww2 we were forced to live under the yoke of Moscow. In other words we are incredibly sensitive to our independence, our demographics, commies, jews and moslems. So if Marxists jews in a faraway city tell us that we must let in moslems, we will simply lynch those poor "new Hungarians". I'm not even kidding, we already have various paramilitary organisations under the radar. They just don't do anything most of the time. A few years ago they tried to form a "volunteers' battalion" to hunt migrants on the southern borders on their own, and the police had to stop them.

>>621032

Then stop using an NSA honeypot program.

>>621056

You forgot:

>F-15SMT

and

>F-17

and

>F-29

you're too casual for an F-5fag

>>621128

Why about?

It's how it has always worked.

FLAP LID radar can't see stealth aircraft, but it can receive the coordinates from the BIG BIRD/NEBO couple and it can steer command the missile toward the target.

And once the missile is only a few kilometers from the targets, it's own seeker is powerful enough to lock on the plane.

>>621128

fuck radar irst is the fighter killer of the (present &) future

>>621162

https://defenseissues.net/2015/06/16/airborne-irst-properties-and-performance/

This.

>>621128

>state of the art stealth system defeated by BBC4

Just when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous, Lockmart finds new and innovative ways to fuck up.

>>616827

>Albert Speer states that the uranium from the project ended up being used to make uranium core anti-tank shells, but I've found no proof of that.

I've seen a scan of a German WW2 document where they advise that a particular type of "U-core" AP ammo from some Czech factory is only to be used against the Soviets. Though it doesen't specify what exactly "U-core" means, the only Uranium mines in the GD were in Czechoslovakia, so…. *shrug*

>>621205

Why did GD sell F-16 production to Lockheed?

>>621293

(((hint)))

>>616094

Mirage? It's been around since forever. Or the fucking harrier. MiG-21 is still flying as MiG-21bis and has enough maneuverability to stand toe to toe with F-16. Indians flew them in Red Flag, and although they got whooped, they didn't get whooped nearly as badly considering the price difference.

>>616346

PAKFA integrates an AI which takes over the flight of the airplane when the pilot gets knocked out due to G force. Also it manages all the weapons targeting, sensors and communications, which used to take a second crewman.

>>621345

Except Israel is wholeheartedly adopting the F-35, you lying piece of khazar garbage.

>>621303

>This plane will not just perform the tasks set by its crew, but it will be also capable of taking decisions on its own in certain emergency situations

>Sergei Korotkov, chief designer of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201708231429-ve4w.htm

>>621306

Dude their air to air missiles have LPI AESA warheads so its impossible to jam them, or even detect them from coming.

>What they is an automated RTB and possibly landing with a guidance beacon in case of the pilot being incapacitated.

I'm hearing it can also behave semi-autonomously in a mission environment, and not just dropping bombs either. Meaning it automates some combat tasks.

>>621318

>>621343

>>621345

>experimental aircraft has never been shot down

>used by kikes but kikes hate it

Have a gold star for your efforts.

>>621410

>Is it wrong that I, as an amerifag, want to see our entire 1.5 trillion shekel F-35 fleet shot down in the first 15 minutes of the next war?

But they won't be.

The US geopolitical strategy is the same as UK back in the days, they will NEVER fight with someone that can actually fight back.

That's how you build a "super power" myth, picking on the weakest of the weak and making opportunity wars against powers that are already considerably weakened and make great propaganda about how powerful you are.

>>621414

>But they won't be.

Okay, I will begrudgingly settle for the F-35s being regularly shot down by Syrians or Serbians.

>>621416

That's the thing if they get Russian AA, the US is gonna be suddenly really interested into Africa.

Congo should be a very valid target for the US next war.

>>621422

>Congo should be a very valid target for the US next war.

I imagine the bugmen might accidentally some AA for the apes. That could be very dangerous for F-35s.

>>621414

It's also how your superpower gets crushed by a bald street shitter in a toga.

>>621422

Actually Mexico or Venezuela might be, since those countries are basically stone-age.

>>621423

How are the chinks in terms of AA?

>>621414

>Murricans are cowards for not starting a nuclear war with Russia

>now let me go back to waving German troops through at the border

k

>>621446

Copies of 50+ year old Soviet stuff, mostly. They're still mass producing SA-2 knockoffs for the export market.

>>621446

>How are the chinks in terms of AA?

Same as Russia as a first rank Russian ally they get the same stuff at around the same time (like Belarus, Kazakhstan and Algeria), however the deal is while they can make domestic copies they can't export them without Russia approval.

>>621621

LOL literal f35 shills never thought id see the day the mutts got this desperate

>>621624

Anon you are a mutt

The first one to shill gets to buy my aircraft!

>>621712

And A-6 and F-18 and the F-15E, and a bunch of Euro jets.... it's basically "replacing" everything.

>>621610

>it actually cost 80 million for the F-35A

>115 million for the F-35B

>107 million for the F-35C

Those are Lockheeb promises....

Considering they promised it would not cost more than $30 million originally

I'm not inclined to believe them this time.

Independent research agencies are quoting between $148 and $163 million per pop, and America is supposed to buy 2500 of these. Considering the procurement costs in various military funding requests have stabilized around 410 billion dollars for F-35, it seems independent agencies are even lowballing it.

>>621941

Thinking the current tactical bomber and close air support aircraft are obsolete is fine, and replacing them with a modern design of a tactical bomber and close air support is a sane point.

But replacing them with a deeply flawed interceptor is not a sane way to think.

In the same way as saying your brand of one-ply toilet paper is obsolete, but replacing it with a power sander might not be the thing you'd want to do.

>>621941

The A-6 is. The A-10 is only outdated in terms of engines, material science and the gun could be modernized too, otherwise it's a pretty timeless design for its role.

>>622344

>tor

>lockshill

>not the joos

>>622344

It is meant to be a multirole fighter. The problem is all data has shown that it's fucking useless at every role. Just make new production F-16s, jeez.

>>622772

kek

>>622344

>trust me

No one has to trust me you nigger, the data and analysis isn't coming from me, it's coming from the US government.

>can't do tactical bombing because no capacity and high cost per bomb

>cant do strike because low speed and poor integration

>can't do CAS because its too fragile

>can't do EWAR because its too expensive to draw a missile

>can't do fighter duty because it gets outperformed by 3rd generation jets

But you're right, it probably can't be an interceptor either, since that requires mad speed and time-to-altitude in order to catch modern bombers.

>>622772

You fucker I waited for that song to start for 4 minutes.

>>616662

>a 'V3' which could reach the US east coast from the British isles.

Not even close. The cannons they did make were just barely capable of reaching the greater London area.

>>616673

>Kraft durch Freude cruises through the Oceans of inner earth

>Oceans of inner earth

>inner earth

So…Lava sharks? Because there are no oceans of inner earth, just the mantle. There is an oceans worth of water locked up in the mantle from the subduction zones but nothing alive in there and no way for anything to survive those pressures.

How effective would AWACS be? It just seems like a giant scam to me.

>>623700

It's a joke you autist.

>an oceans worth of water locked up in the mantle

3x oceans worth of water, and they're in the crust not in the mantle.

Also this is how oil gets manufactured, not dead dinosaurs.

>>623815

It better in all point than the F-16?

>>623815

It's AESA was irreparably defective and of inferior performance to contemporary PESAs of the same size, both its development and unit cost was so high it would be more beneficial for Japan if they simply bought F-16s, even without licensed production, even fully modernized variants 20 years after its production, same performance and somewhat lower thrust to weight than the F-16, no compatibility with the AMRAAM, essentially no upgrades since it entered service.

>>623823

>inferior performance to contemporary PESAs of the same size

>that didn't exist in US service.

The F-2 was the first to have an AESA radar, and while the Russians (and french) had more powerful PESA on their fighters but the USAF radar staple of the day was obsolete mechanically scanned radars while someone figured out how to make AESA that could fit into fighters.

Japan literally gave the US the know how in miniaturizing tech for them to make the APG-77.

The plane also had polymer graphite/epoxy wings which is now the standard of US planes…

Frankly the nips industry ended up getting royally railed, because under the pretense of giving them technical package for the F-16 (which Japan actually didn't follow since they did most of their own electronics and redesigned the plane entirely, even the engine while based on a F110 isn't one) all the data on their advancement, including very advanced industrial processes goes back to the US for free.

>>623833

Agreed that they were fucked over and worst of all is that burgers had the audacity to bitch over in the congress over "handing over leading edge techlol" to ebul nazi nips when the later had to essentially re-discover F-16 from scratch.

>>623823

>both its development and unit cost was so high it would be more beneficial for Japan if they simply bought F-16s

Not really, the money was kept within the Japanese economy and gave work to the R&D and industrial sector, even if the product turned defective.

Come to think of it, the F-2 is a lot like the F-35 in this regard.

>>623861

>Japan retrieves its first set of F-35s

>they immediatley discover its absolute state

>decide to rework the entire plane from the ground up, resulting in the Mitsubishi F-3.5

>it doesn't have VTOL, uses an inhouse engine with TVC, uses regular water-based coolants for its electronics instead of Jet fuel in addition to having analog backup cockpit instruments

>the airframe is also redesigned so it can now reach 9.0gs while turning, it also doesn't kill its Pilot upon ejection and can reach its top speed without damaging its tailfins

>it's still shit but at least in a state of moderate airworthiness compared to American F-35s

>burgers demand all the documentation on nipponese manufacturing processes and such

>Lockheeb proceeds to integrate all this freshly acquired all-american technology into the F-57 6th gen stealth fighter

>rinse and repeat

>>623861

>the money was kept within the Japanese economy and gave work to the R&D and industrial sector

That would also mostly be the case with license-built F-16s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2#Production

>The F-2 program was controversial, because the unit cost, which includes development costs, is roughly four times that of a Block 50/52 F-16, which does not include development costs. Inclusion of development costs distorts the incremental unit cost (this happens with most modern military aircraft), though even at the planned procurement levels, the price per aircraft was somewhat high. The initial plan of 141 F-2s would have reduced the unit cost by up to US$10 million(€7,5 million) per unit, not including reduced cost from mass production. As of 2008, 94 aircraft were planned.[1]

In no fucking way having 100 planes instead of at least 300 of the same, if not better performance, for the same cost is excusable.

>>623868

It's no coincidence that every second country that acquired a co-production part for the F-35, Japan included, is already researching their own 5th gen fighter.

>TFX

>KFX

>ATD-X

>Tempest

>J-31

>>623869

>In no fucking way having 100 planes instead of at least 300 of the same, if not better performance, for the same cost is excusable.

Except if it's an investment.

The reality is today Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has the means to produce proper fighters from the drawing board to the final product which they hadn't had since WWII (the F-1 being an overgrown trainer).

>>623868

That's the opposite.

See the nips know they got stuffed as they're the ones that basically designed the improvements of the F-16 post block 50, so they're doing the opposite.

They ordered the minimum amount of F-35 they could to get the manufacturing tech transfer for what they lack (and those replace old as fuck F-4 so performance isn't much of a problem).

That way they will incorporate those tech process in the ATD-X (that will be their main fighter and replace their F-15 first, then the F-2s) but will show the middle finger when the US ask how they did it since the ATD-X started as a purely Japanese program instead of a joint one.

>>622098

That’s because a Nazi flying ace designed it

>>626573

You'd have more fun reading these and joining us in shitposting about how awful the plane is than you will sitting on Tor that pretending Lockheeb is paying you.

>>616534

>>617938

>>627110

Source plz.

Like I believe that–the US loved asking Nazis for help after the war, e.g. von Braun and rockets and shit. But give me something I can quote to a Canadian Forces officer I know.

>>626573

>>626757

>merely pretending being retarded

>>621610

>it completely avoided the S-300

There's no aircraft out there that can "avoid" a missile in the middle of the sky that has already locked on it you fucking lying retard.

>>626757

>>626573

Lockheeb faggot getting owned in every thread.

>>627110

>>627133

What, the chief designer of the airplane saying so isn't enough?

>>613615

Why is that F18 interceptor flying upside down what a second it’s just paint….fooled us again Canana…..next time you won’t be so lucky

>>612697

Not what you're expecting. The idea that air superiority alone is enough to prevent enemy air forces from messing with you came from the US experience in World War II, so if that doesn't happen, the previously described process of a deemphasis on land based AA, also doesn't happen. I say land based AA, because most surface combatants in the US Navy are build as air defense ships first.

>>615986

>save the F4

That's not how you spell "MiG-21".

>>621449

> They're still mass producing SA-2

There's literally nothing wrong with mass producing THE SAM.

>>627301

>What, the chief designer of the airplane saying so isn't enough?

One faggot on the internet putting words into another man's mouth isn't enough.

>>634021

>soy faced plane

>less retarded

>>634036

You have to remember, most air force pilots are low-t soylads. This looks less scary to them.

>>634036

This. The retard laughter had its charm.

>>615988

F-15 is lower tech and has been in use since the 70s. F35 is full of fiddly bits and is new.

>>634243

>is new

In military terms, so I'd estimate a rasberry pi to have the same level of computing power as it's onboard.

>>634274

Even if the F-35 does have some kind of neural network supercumpooter its OS' source code is said to have exceed 25 million LOC long ago, so a gameboy would in all likelihood be faster&more efficient for most tasks by sheer virtue of forcing devs to write code in assembly instead of Javascript.

>>634274

Actually F-35 uses an AMD Jaguar CPU, several sticks adding up to 2.56GB RAM, two 2.5 inch fixed hard drives with anti-examination gerar, and slots for removable drives that hold mission maps and other information. It's also chock full of off the shelf components and software, which is why it isn't working, it's literally a cut-and-paste job in terms of code.

This is going to be my only post ITT today, I'll post again tomorrow around the same time.