38b55c No.610179
>>610174
It would be good to have something like this for countries that cant get access to funz.
The UK for example.
a6f096 No.610180
>.308 is 80 cents a round
Are you fucking retarded?
>implying 7.62 NATO M80 Ball is the same price
>suggesting guys use M80 in hunting rifles, which will be chambered and rifled for heavy-for-caliber .308 loads
Yeah, maybe you are. Learn to buy your ammo in bulk, and learn a thing or two about mixing ammo. I can feed my Sako for half that price and be more accurate than what you're recommending.
4a504e No.610184
>>610180
Yeah because this infographic is like 6 years old.
000000 No.610218
>>610174
getting some serious jagged alliance flashbacks
ecf023 No.610219
>>610179
The market for actual guns here is kind of too complicated to really do a guide like that since there are so few initial buyers entering the market. everything is horse trades for the most part, excepting for straight pull AR and AK abominables. for the most part it'll be hunting rifles/milsurps and as for sidearms literally percussion cap revolvers from the fucking 1860's. i'd own some myself but i literally live too far from a range to have a reasonable expectation of getting a license, the only thing i can buy is an antique and even then id have to illegaly make my own powder and caps. Surplus brit army issue helmets are cheap here, but they're fucking worthless when they're old since they degrade much faster than PASGT type helmets, to the point where not even cops use them.
4a504e No.610221
OP here, I tried to make my own version.
599853 No.610222
>>610221
>Flecktarn shirt
Only available in manlet/twink sizes these days.
000000 No.610223
>>610219interesting I didn't know armour could go out of date, is that the same for ceramic and or titanium plates?
6816cd No.610246
>>610221
>MTP
>not DPM
Shameful, anon
682ea5 No.610285
>>610256
>child lock your military equipment because its going to be kept in homes by massive reserve guard due to "partisan" theory of warfare
>35 year old westerners cant open it
4a504e No.610292
>>610246
I wanted something to cover more arid environments.
c70390 No.610295
>>610256
There's similar and similarly-priced kits available on the new civvie market, but the packability of this one tickles my autism. Also, it's nice to see music about slaughtering kebab making its way into the mainstream.
664fa5 No.610316
>>610223
The concern for helmets is possible delamination brought on by improper storage and heavy use, it's very unlikely and most probably just bullshit that gets passed around. Generally armor holds up fairly well, even something like soft kevlar panels, unless solvents or other petrol-based products are spilled or otherwise gotten on armor, then it can cause degradation and break down. There was some fuddlore going around about Kevlar panels being creased from storage and losing effectiveness, but an NIJ test of older ballistic vests that had been stored improperly in PD inventory rooms showed otherwise. The date on armor is to save the manufactures ass, but as with ANY armor it's not guarantee, just look into the shitstorm surrounding Japanese produced Zylon.
60267a No.610375
>>610174
Armor is useless outside police actions (pro tip: US fights vs sandniggers are police actions).
Invest in cheap LVPO optic.
c9798f No.610405
>>610375
>armour is useless
Yea, sure. Because why would you possibly wear something that makes you not-dead? It's not like everyone ever looking back into history tried to protect themselves at least partially.
Even the now venerable flak jacket is gonna be more pleasant than a chestful of shrapnel. And even bumping your head on things is a big issue.
60267a No.610415
>>610405
Old armors actually protected from weapons so extra weight and overheating worth it.
Modern rifle plate cover minuscule part of the body from bullets (when modern guns accurately fire 60 RPM btw) and flak vests/helmets stop only weakest fragments. This is minuscule protection for its price.
1fa28e No.610417
>>610179
Shit, I'm now considering to make one for Greeks. I will need some assistance from the two other gyros though before I start adding stuff.
Βοηθήστε ρε μαλάκες
e31df1 No.610422
>>610415
Body armour isn't just to stop bullets. It's also to stop the shit thrown out by an explosion from ripping through your like jello. In WW2 helmets weren't handed out to protect you from bullets. It was to protect you from mortar fire sending shrapnel through your head.
If you look at old photos you will see they wore their helmets exposing their foreheads. This allowed them to duck and cover away from an explosion and half their entire head and neck protected.
60267a No.610425
>>610422
WWII helmets are pitifully bad vs arty fragments. V50 for steel helmet is about 800fps for 15 grains fragment (45ftlbs), when by NATO criteria kinetic projectiles with energy below 58ftlbs (80 euro joules ) are not considered as lethal…
e31df1 No.610429
>>610425
I'm sure you wouldn't want one then.
9f8243 No.610459
Most commercial shit is already up to par with most chinese/east bloc surplus garbage. Condor shitiness might be true, but I can assure you the average commie shit is just bad in quality, especially if it was issued and used.
I would replace LBE, backpacks, and auxillary shit like mess kit and canteen with new civvie commercial gear. Shirts/clothes could go either way since they generally don't surplus those out if they were used.
1fa28e No.610481
>>610417
Actually I just realized a Greekfag version would be pointless. the only realistic gun silence you will ever own in this shithole is a simple hunting license which only grants access to shotguns. And decent shotguns cost 300 EUR minimum while semi-autos such as a Saiga or Vepr cost 1600 EUR. Therefore not a budget chart at all. And that's just the weapons. You then need equipment which due to abhorrent taxes will cost a lot to buy from other countries and ammunition is expensive as fuck.
Golden Dawn can't come soon enough. Without a NatSoc government we will never have proper gun rights and prices. A half-decent loadout in debtland with enough ammunition will cost you 3000 euros minimum for each person. And that loadout would be shit at long ranges because all you're equipped with is a shotgun with slugs.
82bfee No.610516
Looking for improvements. How did I do?
fa41c7 No.610518
That pic is horrible outdated.
fa41c7 No.610520
Also, for the AR just make it a PSA freedom.
1fa28e No.610559
Trying to figure out how the hell to make this shit work. There's no easy and realistic way to acquire armor in this shithole so camouflage and guerrilla tactics is the only way this loadout would work. Haven't added anything so far, just started it and hopefully some fellow gyros will edit it. I will continue working on it tomorrow. I'm also trying to find some proper vest or rig made exclusively for shotgun shells but I don't know of any. Can you lads help? The cheapest stuff you can find.
2d960b No.610566
I had a semi-updated version that I never finished.
95c20d No.610570
>>610481
>>610559
>obeying laws
Guys, just move to Crete. Buy an AK and a revolver and tell the communists to shove it where the Green Sun don't shine. I promise it ain't that hard.
1fa28e No.610572
>>610570
Contribute to the chart gyronigger
>>610559
5d5414 No.610573
>>610570
>"Crete and guns go together. It is the only area in Greece where gun possession is permitted as a tradition."
sounds pretty /k/ to me
fa41c7 No.610596
>>610573
What a nice upstanding white family.
3a42c5 No.610620
bd16a2 No.610657
>>610174
Did one for Germany, no pictures because of time.
82bfee No.610660
>>610657
please change the background color
ed747f No.610663
It's a slight bit more legible I think.
>>610660
6da3fd No.610664
>>610657
You could not make the contrast of the style more obnoxious even if you tried.
388c3c No.610666
>>610663
>off-black background
>red letters
>holes filled with puke green
What the actual fuck, I had to struggle to read a few words. Does this look ok to you faggot?
c8cad8 No.610670
Edit out the "handguns are a waste of funds" part. Fucking ridiculous.
bd16a2 No.610676
>>610671
because I could do it.
but fine I am not that evil, here a version for the color blind.
1fa28e No.610705
Added some new stuff. Will add the rest tomorrow
4b15b2 No.610712
>>610676
For a serious SHTF
Mehler Schutzweste, BW MilSurp 360€ contains SK2 Padding and NIJ III Plates.
Romanian AK Clone since Germany has an embargo against russia and Ihzmash Weapons are off limits as long as you are not willing to spend more than the allready ridiculous price on an polymer AK.
Clothing consists of tactical olive garments, need to remove the velcro and replace it with buttons as the velcro is too loud for hunting purposes
Fitness: Powerlifting with Cardiodrills ensuring that I won't get weighed down by heavy equipment. Especially important is gripstrength in combination with shoulder endurance for aiming; more muscle helps with recoil management albeit there won't be much situations where one needs to magdump with his semiauto.
Knowledge: Hunting. Can't stress this enough, without knowledge of the forest you won't get far in a SHTF Scenario. Gear is only as good as it can be utilized by the user. All guns are futile if I lack the skills to sustain myself and craft shelter and concealment.My /k/ommando path is to gitgud in partisan warfare as it was the same unit I was assigned to in the army.
2d960b No.610770
Wrapped up my unfinished version.
1fa28e No.610771
>>610770
>cheap hunting rifle
Would the T/C Compass be a good choice or did the anon that recommended it here once was shilling? Not that I can even get one here though, just asking for a friend
664fa5 No.610789
>>610375
It's mission dependent. Armor has uses in mounted operations, sentry duty, or any role where the wearer is static.
da70f3 No.610801
a99ebd No.610820
>>610712
How hard is it to get a gun loicence in Germany? I've read it takes about a year and a half for a target shooting one, and longer for hunting/collecting licences. Could a poorfag reasonably get one? Also once I would get a licence do you know if it would be hard to import my guns from leafland (mostly milsurp and grandpa's guns) Thanks in advance.
7a4351 No.610826
>>610820
Relatively simple to get one, you just have to deal with some annoying regulations.
First you must make a Waffensachkunde Prüfung, which is just a course telling you how guns and gun laws work here in Germany, with a test at the end. Depending what kind of course you book, these cost usually between 150€ and 300€.
Then you need a gun safe that has been made for the specifics after DIN/EN 1143-1 and has at least a resistance level of 0/N, these gun safes start by around 550€. You can thank the EU for that.
After that you must be either a member of a shooting club for a year with enough range time or you can become a hunter(which is its own training course).
Becoming a member of a shooting club is the cheapest and easiest way, as most clubs have a membership fee from just around 100€ a year and you get to meet other people that are into guns. Also you are less limited in the type and number of guns you can have.
The downside is that you have to remain an active shooter or you can lose your gun license,
Becoming a Hunter is expensive, as you have to learn it in a trainings course which usually cost around 1300€+, but after you got your Hunting License you have to deal with fewer annoying regulations.
After that you can go to your local office that is dealing with gun registration and apply for your gun license. They will look if you have a criminal background and take a small processing fee, but if you got all your papers in order they will give you one without a problem.
>Also once I would get a licence do you know if it would be hard to import my guns from leafland (mostly milsurp and grandpa's guns)
I have no knowledge about this topic, so you have to look up German import laws about this matter. I would also check if your guns are allowed after german weapons law(Waffengesetz). Our gun laws are less shit than most US states, but a few retarded ones are still in it.
a99ebd No.610827
>>610826
Thanks Germanbro, I will probably try for my shooting licence first than hunting after that. I think there is a 3 round limit on semi autos (or is it bolt actions too?) and in Canada it is a 5 round limit for semi autos, but once my German is better I will find out who to ask about importing after I move there. I don't really want to leave my milsurps at home but I'd imagine K98Ks are much more common in Germany.
One more question if you don't mind: is it worth it to join the Bundeswehr? I want to finish my science degree in Germany and then I was thinking I would try to join the Panzergrenadieren, or Gebirgsjäger because I'll probably miss living close to mountains. I have read that if I have a degree I can go straight to officer school, but is it even worth it in cy+3?
1fa28e No.610845
>>610826
>Even fucking current year Germany under a literal female communist has better gun laws than Greece
6da3fd No.610848
>>610845
How are self defense laws though? In here we've got the opposite of burger laws, to the point of wearing anything that can be used for self defense without an excuse and using it is "too much force, the boys just wanted to talk and you pulled a baton while you did not need one so you planned it so get v&".
1fa28e No.610857
>>610848
Same here. A few days ago an anarchist gay drug addict attempted to rob a jewel store with a knife. The owner killed him and ever since then the media portrays the anarchist faggot as a hero who 'dindu nuffin, he was just confused, he was a great boy and a good friend" while the store owner is in court and is labeled as an evil murderer.
Golden Dawn can't come soon enough. This country is a legit dystopian shithole right now.
bad1f1 No.610900
>>610845
I know that feel, Greek.
5a02a7 No.610903
>>610900
How are hungarian gun laws? Can you paprika loving faggots own anything or are you as cucked as the rest of the yurozone?
d2d169 No.610908
>>610174
Why cover the face? This reads out more like how to start a terrorist cell
1fa28e No.610910
>>610908
Balaclavas are cool
388c3c No.610953
>>610910
You're basically wearing a sock on your head.
Also it makes it easier to infiltrate even a close knit squad.
937a91 No.610958
Polish wz.93 kevlar helmets are pretty cheap, at least mine was, but I'm not sure how old they are on the market. I would think steel would tend to be the best option for poorfags in general though, not having a shelf life. SSh-40 pattern and derivatives can be had for under 20 USD. Sometimes you can find a good deal on the M56 still.
With that said, I think the typical /k/ommando insurgent would be better served by a boonie or something else lightweight, avoiding combat where a helmet would be of great value to begin with.
c795d4 No.610975
>>610953
>What are secret phrases
>Not knowing what your brother-in-arm's concealed face looks like
Subpar.
1fa28e No.611056
Finished it. Is it any good? I don't think there are any better tips for a loadout in this country tbh. Maybe you could get rid of the special snowflake chest rig but other than that the rest seem fine.
b592a9 No.611060
I'll show my gear when I get home for Than/k/sgiving (burger Columbus day) It'll either be Entirely SS LARP shit, or mostly SS LARP shit because I don't have the money anymore to buy stuff. Are hobnail boots okay? I have German lowboots and they're good but as soon as you step on a hard surface (rock, concrete, metal, ect.) they start making noise. I've heard old Czech Surplus boots are good, anyone recommend better?
a99ebd No.611061
>>611060
>Portugal
Nani, the fuck? I see I left my VPN on, but it's set to Norway, and has always shown unknown flag here before.
1fa28e No.611069
>>611061
>the unknown flagfag was a leaf all along
a99ebd No.611073
>>611069
8ch fucks up flags in the south US (around texas iirc) and makes them unknown, also I'm sure there's more than 1 person using a VPN, I rarely leave it, but I'm sure I probably made a couple shitposts with it on.
off topic
4cf5cb No.611074
>>611073
Oy vey stop telling the goyim all our secrets!
421bec No.611076
>>611074
LMAO for some reason it picks up my Israel VPN as Romanian. Let's see where it thinks I am if I actually switch to Romania.
>>611056
Also this is a solid list. Too bad that even with slugs it'd be pretty useless in long range mountain warfare. Also why do we use jungle lizard camo if most of the country looks like a bushy desert in the south or rolling green hills and plains with practically no foliage in the north? I mean, camo is supposed to match our surroundings, right? IDK, maybe it's appropriate for the Evros.
And I still think you guys should consider moving to Crete and saving up a bit for an Albanian black market AK or a legal bolt action in .308 and a Glawk.
a99ebd No.611078
>>611074
>LMAO for some reason it picks up my Israel VPN as Romanian.
Is it 8ch or just free VPNs Jewing you by not actually giving you the locations they say they offer?
>moving to Crete and saving up a bit for an Albanian black market AK
Couldn't Greeks just go to Turkey, or Africa to buy a gun? Or are land entrances back into Greece heavily regulated? If so couldn't you just take a boat back to Greece? That's how all the shitskins are getting to Europe to go to actually decent countries. :^)
1fa28e No.611081
>>611078
>Couldn't Greeks just go to Turkey to buy a gun?
Do that and the moment anyone learns you bought anything from the roaches you'll get lynched and rightfully so. No mercy for traitors.
a99ebd No.611086
>>611081
>rather have no gun then give a few shekels to turks
I'm impressed with how much you hate Turks.
1fa28e No.611088
>>611086
Westerners have no real natural enemies so it isn't surprising many of you cannot comprehend true genocidal hate on a national level.
4b15b2 No.611151
>>610820
Hunting license is the one you want, as target shooting is extremely cucked. Need a permit for everything, many semiautos are offlimits and so on. I did my hunting license in 9 months, but you can do it in a weekend if you visit a course and have the money. Hunting is extremely expensive, you have to pay several insurances and government fees just to be able to own guns and then there is no place to hunt. Hunting in Germany is just a meme if you are not born a farmer or obscenely wealthy; t. 3 years a hunter and shot nothing, was invited to 2 communal hunts with over 50+ hunters with the results of 2 foxes and 3 rabbits. Payed 1,5k+ for a hunting trip which entailed the shot of one buck and saw no male deer past day 4, and then it was so meager that I couldn't tell the difference. Most people who do a huntinglicense nowadays are preppers.
for importing you need an europäischer Feuerwaffenpass I presume; depending on your gun regulations you might turn in your funs and pay for them being shot with overpressure by the state, after that they should get an marking for being viable for the german gun market.
>>611088
are you sure
7b19b5 No.611161
>>610903
They can freely own air guns that are less than 5.5 ft/lbs of force and black powder guns but not the powder or primers. They need a license to own an air gun over 5.5 ft/lbs as well as any kind of real gun and it has the typical restrictions of having to prove a reason to own it as well as passing a background investigation and tests. The license appears to have a 2 gun restriction, but it does allow conceal carry. Automatic weapons are completely banned and you can only own ammunition for a gun you have a license for.
paprika/pepper spray is unrestricted, naturally
31279e No.611203
What's with everyone forgetting about the psak-47? They are Kalashnikov's made by palmetto state armory, and they cost about 499.99 usd. They have even passed 5000 round tests.
They are about the same cost as the psar-15s and you get that juicy 20.9¢ per round for 7.62x39 ammo.
c35a95 No.611210
For all the anons in other countries. Get a group of friends together and buy machine tools. A bunch of fucking Jews made 9mm ammo from scratch under a laundromat for fucks sake. If the kikes can do it, so can actual Europeans. If you get good enough to make drawing dies for both the projectiles and the casings, you're definitely good enough to machine gun parts. It'll take a while to get set up and gitgud, but you can literally make factory quality weapons and ammo given the time and patience. Plenty of books out there as well to study. Best of luck Streloks.
1fa28e No.611338
>>611210
>dude just become a criminal lmfao
5d5414 No.611340
>>611203
>an ak with cast parts
>passing 5000 round tests.
going to need some sources anon
78c640 No.611348
>>611203
Don't most people pass them up since they were supposed to be a DDI/PSA thing but DDI died (along with their knowledge) and PSA put out worse than pre 2015 WASR tier AKs for $500 but then said that their premium nearly $1000 rifles is the actual good shit that's meant to work for more than a few hundred rounds be used by some one who isn't a once a month shooter to compete with arsenal tier shit?
I like PSA but Murrican made AKs are looked at with one hell of a jaundiced eye ever since Waffen Werks died (due to going lazy and stupid) and then DDI died (due to just going plain stupid with their shotgun). Why the fuck don't they just buy trunions/BCGs made in some former combloc country in bulk and build around it? The labor is what matters in an AK and even the monkeys at can century out perform I.O. (which honestly means a lot if you look at history), just contract out the hard to get right pieces (apparently they don't know what heat treatment is) and continue from there.
3e4029 No.611386
Not exactly the classic infograph format but I made this earlier this year.
7cc9c7 No.611420
>>611382
He now says they sent him an abnormally good one.
652fb4 No.611421
>>611382
i was going to say that there is no way that cast ak parts could last that long but then i went to their web page
>Billet Barrel Block (front trunnion)
>Billet Bolt
>Hammer Forged Steel Carrier
looks like they stopped using cast parts?
1b5cd3 No.611444
>>611056
Fucking hell. What I wouldn't give to have gun choices like that! I can't even get a fucking lever action shotgun thanks to some futckwit anti-gun bitch seeing a video of it and going "OMG! Rapid fire! Ban it!"
Anyone care to make an Aussie BudgetBloc? Sad though it will be…
6c6dbc No.611462
>>611444
so what are you allowed to carry then?
1b5cd3 No.611465
>>611462
Allowed to carry? Nothing! Can't even legally carry a knife here.
We can own: pretty much any kind of fixed blade knives (except 'daggers' - anything with double edges), and folding knives.
We can own guns - for most people they would be restricted to bolt action rifles and single and double barrel shotguns. Unless they are in a firearms club and do competition shooting, or own a farm. In which case they can get slightly better weapons - pump action shotguns and semi-auto rimfire rifles. As long as the magazine capacity isn't too high.
The exact gun laws vary from state to state, and can be found here:
https://www.fieldandgame.com.au/page/firearms-licensing-categories
Note: We can (in theory) own lever action shotguns, like the Addler. When antigun fags don't get them banned from import! >:C
Handguns can be owned, but you have to be part of a club and do competition shooting from memory.
459bb3 No.611574
How would you guys think about outfitting people in a pretty cucked state like new jersey?
31279e No.611584
>>611574
are revolvers illegal? if not you could get an (extremely expensive) S&W 460, which will mess up most body armor.
if you have 500 freedom dollars, a taurus 44 mag will also mess up most people.
459bb3 No.611585
>>611584
BB guns are considered firearms in new jersey so everything is pretty fucked
31279e No.611586
>>611585
flintlocks?
crossbows?
kukri?
459bb3 No.611588
>>611586
actually some old dude is about to get 10 years for owning a flintlock, so I guess crossbows or kukri are the only options I fucking hate this place reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
31279e No.611590
>>611588
at least a crossbow will go through most body armor.
if necessary, an iron pipe or a hammer for defense. or a shovel.
0fa714 No.611649
>>611588
I guess NJ really is worst than NY. The really sad part is all the faggots in our two states would agree he should go to jail.
I fucking hate the whole North East.
1b5cd3 No.616187
>>611462
>>611444
>>611465
Been doing some research. The best rifle that is commonly available is a Remington 7615P rifle - this is a .223/5.56 pump action rifle that accepts AR magazines (note: high capacity mags are illegal in cucked NSW).
Not sure if its the cheapest option, but it is the most tactical that anyone with a Category A or B firearms license can own.
Don't ask me why anyone can own a pump action rifle but not a pump action shotgun…
e141f6 No.616300
>>610712
Thats good stuff, but against the idea of Budget Bloc. Alone for the Mehler Schutzweste you could buy basic gear for three people.
664fa5 No.616355
>>616187
>Don't ask me why anyone can own a pump action rifle but not a pump action shotgun…
Because it is a natural rule that those who support and enforce the regulation of firearms are mentally deficient.
664fa5 No.616357
>>611590
>a shovel
At least this is something you can put an edge on when the time comes. You could full austist and get a Spetsnaz fighting spade.
10808a No.616365
>>616357
A US issue etool is just as good a killer.
There's enough stories to back up the idea of "arming" people with them.
664fa5 No.616371
>>616365
The newer tri-fold model or the original?
3e92f0 No.616379
>>616371
Either, though avoid low quality repos.
The tri-fold has been used to fight hand-to-hand several times.
3e92f0 No.616423
>>616418
You're really a leaf, aren't you?
664fa5 No.616763
If anyone in the US wants a Baofeng, get it now, FCC is blocking import and sales of non-compliant sets. This will also apply to any other brand of two-way VHF/UHF sets not in compliance.
http://archive.is/1JB7g
69f53e No.618625
b35b97 No.618633
>>616709
Please rate, like and subscribe!
63f100 No.618676
>>610221
No flak vest strelok? Not dying when getting shot is usually a good thing.
In about 2 minutes I found this. $100 isnt as cheap as $35 armor is armor.
https://www.keepshooting.com/polish-army-body-armor.html
a99ebd No.618683
>>618633
>one hole balaclava
>not superior three hole
c66a96 No.618748
>>618683
>not modifying your three hole balaclava into a two hole balaclava so you can wear glasses without having them getting foggy
e83cc9 No.618751
>>618748
>not giving up on balaclavas because your glasses fog up either way so you get contacts and pic related to conceal your face
tfw myopia untermenschen
38f8be No.618752
>>618751
>not getting horn-rimmed glasses and tailoring yourself to look like a soyboy to pass totally undetected until the moment you decide to start shooting
They won't even know what hit them.
310033 No.618768
>>610657
Im blind now, thank you.
also why didn't you write it in german?
35fc3a No.618769
For budget sidearms I have had great luck with Rock Island's offerings. I've had no reliability issues from my RIA 1911 or my .38 snub, and the increase in ergonomics and concealability is well worth the few extra Amerishekels compared to a Hi-Point. Remember that Bao Feng radios are about to get banned from import in the US as well as a bunch of other knock-off Motorola style radios so be looking for new cheap radio options. Brand new AR-15's can be had for sub-$500 now which is cheaper than AK type rifles and barely more expensive than an SKS so go ahead and start putting AR's in your budget builds.
255f48 No.618819
The best budget set up it literally a 10/22, 1500 rounds of ammunition, ten 30 round magazines (more mags and ammo the better), chest rig, rucksack, knife, hammer, and Grey clothes for your climate. A walkie talkie is obviously good to if you are in a group. The load out is $705 not counting the hammer, clothes, or walkie talkie.
You guys are being silly with your budget recommendations. Why would you have a ak as an option for the budget load out, but not have a 10/22. It's hard to find 39 ammo know where I live without ordering it. I can't imagine how hard it would be to find in a shtf situation, unless Russia was unaffected for some reason and could smuggle munitions into America. The ak cost more than an ar is a worse gun (in America) and ammunition is harder to find. On almost all the list Kevlar helmets are also listed, which is near completely in a shtf. Kevlar helmet are good protection from flak, but most flak hits you in the legs not the head. Not to mention small arms confrontations flak isn't to prevalent. All you need is a construction helmet, which could be free. A Kevlar helmet is nice, but is not a necessity in a budget shtf buy list. I would recommend getting a good pair of goggles before a Kevlar helmet. None of these list are even mentioning the cost of magazines, which are extremely importantly and make up a large cost of the budget setup. On the setupi I listed magazines cost $250 (could get them for less than $25 a piece, but I took the high number) the whole load out cost 705, so the magazines made up almost 30% of the total cost.
47d99b No.618823
>>618819
22lr is objectively a poor performer on its best day, not great at either terminal ballistic or exterior ballistics. Rimfire technology that has a much higher chance of duds (although this seems to be less of an issue than it used to be) which can lead to a malfunctioning weapon when you don't need it to malfunction. Terrible at penetrating any type of armor, and armor is the least of your real life concerns; barriers of any type provide at least some protection against 22lr if not absolute cover.
At some point, even with a budget, we don't just choose the cheapest thing because we can. Combat calibers are minimum. Even if Johnny Savesabuck goes with a pistol caliber carbine, he will catch hell, but at least it is more respectable and defendable. 9mm and 45 ACP with a longer barrel has some potential, 22lr dos not.
35fc3a No.618824
>>618819
Except 10/22 is going to be shit for terminal effects and barrier penetration. We're hunting people not squirrels, and don't give me the fucking fudd shit about it bouncing around in the skull (it doesn't).
255f48 No.618828
>>618823
You might as well buy a 10/22 first just to train with it, since the ammo is under half the cost of any "combat" caliber. Your budget block rifle might as well be your first rifle, since you need experience with fire arms to make use of them in a combat setting. If you would actually need to look at a chart to know what to buy you should get a 10/22 just to train with, and if it's your only gun its on the block. People have time to train at this point. Again if some one has no training they are not going to be able to make use of the effective range of a 556 and will struggle dealing with the recoil. More so than a new shooter would have in regular situation, since they are not worrying about dieing or killing someone.
>johnny savesabuck
If johnny goes with a 9mm since its 2 cents cheaper a round he is an idiot. The 9mm rifle is just as expensive as a 556 and the round would be better in every way if he just spent 2 cents more.
>>618824
If you need to go out and buy a gun for you operator kit then you don't know how to shoot a gun and need to learn how. IF you don't know how to shoot a gun your better off with a 22 than a 556, since it cost less than half a round as 556 and the gun cost half the price. You make the 22 your operator kit till you learn how to shoot it and get a real gun. It's literally cheaper to buy a 22lr gun 22 ammo and a ar to train for you ar than to just buy ammo for you ar to train. Not mentioning you can carry 3x the amount of 22 on you.
>muh people not squirrels
I know someone who almost died since they got shot by a 17hmr revolver once. Killing someone is more about putting holes in them than anything. I would rather be shot once by an 9mm than twice with a 22lr.
63f100 No.618829
>>618828
>wanting a cartrige that probably wouldn't penetrate the arm plates and definitely won't penetrate flak vests
I get you are trying to save some shekels but .22lr is a shitty choice. I could defend a carbine in nearly any other pistol caliber but shooting people is different from shooting squirrels.
255f48 No.618831
>>618829
It's not so much about saving shekels as a training cost effective device that can later be upgraded. If something happens before you upgrade you have a shtf rifle that will kill some one. I don't really imagine people running around with flak vest, and as I mentioned before this should be the stepping stone not the ideal. If you need a weren't on a budget you would buy the 22 rifle and the ar at the same time and have everything you need with the ar. budget operator guide is babies first step to being combat ready.
35fc3a No.618834
>>618828
>almost died
If it had been a decent caliber he would have. Your friend would have been able to shoot back and kill you if this were a gunfight, Are you going to tell me to aim for the legs too?
255f48 No.618835
>>618834
Infantry complains about 556 not instantly dropping people, so yes he would be able to shoot back.
35fc3a No.618837
>>618835
So why don't we just give troops .22LR and be done with it then?
255f48 No.618840
>>618837
This is your argument not mine, I'm not the one saying if it doesn't instantly kill them its useless. Think about things before you type them now.
35fc3a No.618842
>>618840
What I'm saying is telling people to get a .22LR for defensive purposes is absolutely fucking retarded, and your anecdote of a non-fatal wound with a similar caliber doesn't back you up at all. If you really have to dig the bottom of the barrel a Hi-Point carbine in .40 S&W is going to perform a whole lot fucking better for a very modest increase in price. Also
>If I'm smarmy I win
255f48 No.618845
>>618842
22lr is a capable of killing some one and makes for a good training rifle is my argument. I have never said that 22lr is better than 556 or on par with 556 just that it is a serviceable round. I've also said you should upgrade to an ar once you learn how to use a firearm. Nothing I've said is incorrect in anyway, it's just you are to stupid to read. It's your logic that if it doesn't instantly kill them it isn't a defensive caliber, and I merely pointed out to you that 556 doesn't instantly drop people either. Then when I point this out you claim this is my criteria for a military service cartridge, and that I'm claiming the military should just use 22lr. You are obviously failing being manipulative or unable to read.
Swearing doesn't make you a bad ass kiddo
This is you
35fc3a No.618851
>>618845
>so mad he has to load up MS paint
Hoo boy we got a live one. That's okay keep recommending people drop the cash on a .22 and a bunch of magazines, accessories, and ammo for it instead of saving up another $300 and just getting an AR-15 so they don't end up getting ganked by the first person in a level II vest that harasses them.
255f48 No.618854
>>618851
The magazines are the only accessory that can't be mounted to an ar, and you can just buy less magazines if you plan on upgrading. You shoot the ammo to train when you upgrade.
>implying making memes isn't enjoyable
35fc3a No.618864
>>618854
Well agreed making memes is enjoyable. I just think that, overall, a 10/22 is not a good choice. The buy and upgrade philosophy to me always just seemed to waste more money in the long haul than just starting where you want to be. Is someone really, really needed to budget the Hi-Point carbine in 9mm is only $20-$30 more than the 10/22 in a far more effective but still affordable caliber. The only place where the 10/22 definitively beats the hi-point is the capacity of after-market magazines with 110 round .22LR drums available but only 20 round max aftermarket for the Hi-Point.
255f48 No.618870
>>618864
If you buy and upgrade it saves you money in the long run, since the experience is transferable. If you think (I think its higher) it takes 3 thousand rounds of ammo to learn how to use a gun well enough for combat then buying a 10/22 to train with is cheaper than shooting a ar. 3000x.25 is $750 3000x.1 is $300 and a rifle cost $230, so you can see it is already cheaper to buy the training rifle at 3000 rounds. Then you also own a second rifle, but that doesn't really matter. You have a good point on the high point if you don't think of the 10/22 as a training rifle.
35fc3a No.618878
>>618870
I don't know if training really "carries over" in such a direct manner though, but I see where you're coming form. Also are you the same guy I was replying to earlier because this conversation got several magnitudes of order more civil out of nowhere (which is a good thing).
255f48 No.618885
35fc3a No.618893
Really not sure why there aren't more sub-$300 9x19 PCC options out there. Surely you would think somebody would get the idea to take the Tec-9 and make it a rifle. If I had the cash for a startup I totally would. Hell, Tec-9's generally go for over $500 now you could make a killing dumping those cheap fucks out again. Is it that no one in the gun industry has the balls to make guns they know will be used in murders? Did the ring of fire lawsuits really scare all the Lorco/Raven/Jennings of the world away?
f74338 No.618935
>>618893
Why not chamber the guns in 22 tcm?
bd8edf No.620153
>>618893
Didn't saturday night special laws do it?
Banning making guns from low cost castings.
Tec-9 got banned due to them being easy to convert to full retard. That and the easily removed serial fro mthe plastic receiver.
And waren't they swedish imports to begin with?
32292c No.620545
>>611044
There are far better homemade vest materials than ceramic tile, even fiberglass could be better if you made it thicc enough.
Also, I'd advocate at least half of the people in the group to have $120 hand guns, rather than blunderbusses
>>618676
> level II
I can make level II in my garage,if I'm paying it had better stop a real boolit
601a12 No.624886
>>611444
>>616187
Make your own infrograph faggot.
f1a64d No.624895
>>611444
Same as >>610221 but weapon choice becomes SMLE in 303B with bayonet, $300-$800.
6d2268 No.624896
Can't do a pretty picture, but here's my recommendations for shitcunts in all states.
>Rifle
Howa 1500 in .308 fitted with iron sights and a picatinny rail. Might set you back 8-900 depending on whether your smith's last name ends in berg. Scope is optional.
>Clothes
There's a retarded amount of milsurp available in your local hipster shop, but for some retarded reason kraut flektarn works absurdly well in this country. Jellybean camo is plentiful too if you don't mind wearing dicks all over yourself. Find a matching shirt and pants. Wear cotton undies and socks if you like having your dick n balls and footsies attached to you. Total cost including spares: ~ 80 bucks.
>Pack
Find a dutch day pack or an old oz milsurp one. 60 bucks.
>What to fill it with
Baofeng, french milsurp mess kit, USGI tinnie/stove/water bottle combo, dried fruit, nuts, jerky, tramontina machete, whetstone, four ways of making a fire, tarp, tent pegs, sleeping bag, ammo, small utility knife.
Important thing to realize is that this is not a combat kit. We can't legally own body armour due to it being considered a deadly weapon. This is a bug-out bag and for good reason- we're fucked when the financial collapse hits. City kommandos will want to find someplace to innawoods for about ten years.
5a02a7 No.624939
>>624896
>armor considered a deadly weapon
Holy piss I'm going to continue my firmly held belief that of the entire anglosphere you faggots are the worst off and that's saying something considering my country's becoming a mexican colony, Canada's run by a 14 year old girl, the united Kuckdom is becoming a caliphate, and the kiwis still barely exist. Jesus christ you fuckers went from 100 to zero fast. Body armor is a deadly weapon. That's dumber than our gun laws and that's fucking saying something (eighteen inches good, seventeen inches ten years in prison)
599853 No.624942
>>624939
Australia has a bad history with banning things after one-time events.
38f8be No.624943
>>624942
>>624939
It's because we have an inferiority complex over being a frontier colony with a minuscule population and fairly little history. We never dropped our colonial mindset and are always looking to others for direction. Unfortunately we decided to become a series of decadent cosmopolitan city-states rather than the isolationist autarky we could've been, because we have a deeply ingrained serf mentality. Ever since the turn of the 20th century we were so desperate to prove that we're hip and cool, just like the Europeans, that we led the way in trade unionism, feminism, and abolishing our freedoms. Even now, when we can see Europe speeding off the cliff, we're pressing harder on the accelerator to catch up. Being Australian is suffering.
1b5cd3 No.625089
>>624943
This is the most succinct, no bullshit analysis of the Australian psyche I've ever seen.
We also forget that our relative geographical isolation makes it hard to invade, but easy to isolate us economically and militarily.
And that we are only prosperous because we were a resource rich nation at a time when everyone needed resources like iron ore. The moment others stop wanting or needing our resources, we are fucked.
08cd2e No.625093
>>624943
That explains a lot. I always wondered why you folks went that way when every Australian I've met was fairly similar to a red state American.
Cosmopolitan city states is a good description.
814d2d No.625110
>>625093
Every shitcunt that moves to america is there because he woke up and realized he could never get close to open freedom in Aus. I'm more than sure if any burger from here talked to, say, a st. Kilda hipster they'd realize that the california liberals look like conservatives by comparison. These no self awareness fucks will openly bag out capitalism on twitter from their iphone 10 they got last week whilst sipping down a custom brew monkey's-arsebeans-suck-your-dick-sideways-frappacino. Later, they'll call people who want to have the right to defend themselves from APEX gang horrible racists and vote for minimum wage increases whilst claiming it will make everything cheaper and then whine when it doesn't. All without irony.
In califucklia, they are one in a dozen leftists.
Here? One in two.
258747 No.625273
>>625089
>>624943
No way autarky would have worked – not enough resources. The Oz barely produces enough grain to feed the population, and very little of the oil or gas needed to fuel it. It would be a Desert Cunt version of N. Korea, essentially what Mad Max is about.
38f8be No.625276
>>625273
>Oz barely produces enough grain to feed the population
That isn't only incorrect, but hilariously so. We're a mass exporter of all agricultural goods we produce. Furthermore, we produce 35% of the wheat you do, despite having 7% of your population. Our agricultural industry isn't only sufficient to provide for our population, even with the decline of farmers as a percentage of the population, but we produce a wide variety of foodstuffs due to our unique ecological situation.
>very little of the oil or gas needed to fuel it
Also incorrect, we have 58 billion tonnes of untapped oil as of 2012, which isn't to mention nuclear. So, are you a kike, or just retarded?
c41e31 No.625371
>>611081
Stoegers are actually quality made firearms. For the money they are hard to beat. IDC where it comes from as long as the damn thing works well. I'll worry about impressing others with my trinkets if I ever come across someone worth impressing. Well over 50 yrs old and have yet to meet that person. Turk made beats the hell outta Brazilian made anyday. Even the Austrians have gone down hill in quality in recent years and so have many American companies.
c41e31 No.625377
>>616763
This is the kinda bullshit that happens when law enforcement is allowed to lobby and grant for itself special legal protections that nothing in the known universe has the right to ask for much less grant them damned selves. Just another reason why LE best pray a SHTF situation never happens or they'll be the first targets of a pissed off population and will have only themselves to blame.
c41e31 No.625379
>>618823
True, most of the time, though the .22 has probably killed more people than others on our own turf. If poachers can kill deer with it, it can kill you, too, if the shot is placed well. A SHTF situation is not "all" about killing people. A 10/22 Takedown or Henry AR7 makes a very effective, quiet, game getter to feed yourself or family with and is much cheaper to use continuously than anything else. Both are easily packed to take along with your main people killers should that situation arise. If I were left with only one option to have it would be a 10/22 takedown but we all know there's more options to be had out there, which is why I've taken everything back to NATO for the "free delivery and pickup" opportunities it presents.
c41e31 No.625383
>>618829
Deer are a lot different than squirrels, too and have a helluva lot more will to live than people but the go to choice for poachers for well over a hundred years has always been the .22 lr.. Sometimes, they even go with the .22 short because of how quiet it is. A good shot is a good shot and all holes are hell. You can do a lotta damage with a suppressed .22 and head gear wearing enemies will have a hard time hearing your signature to find you quickly. The right setup can literally sound like dropping a raisin in the bathtub.
c41e31 No.625386
>>624896
I found a better option with .308. Mossberg MVP Patriot Patrol rifle. Uses AR10 or M14 mags (metal or poly, doesn't matter), fluted bolt so ice is no problem, 16.25" threaded barrel, adjustable down to 2 lbs trigger (Savage type), super light yet does not kick hard at all (less than a 30-30) synthetic stock, railed receiver and more than accurate enough out to 300 yds. Beyond that is just murder unless you're actively being hunted. It's a true bolt action battle rifle. I gave less than $900 for that, a Harris tilt/swivel bi-pod, approx. 120 rds of quality hunting ammo, another 10 rd and two 20 rd Pmags at Academy. Topped it off with a UTG Bug Buster and I'm good to go in the .308 dept. It's not as accurate as the Remy 700, 20" bull barreled .308 that would shoot .3.-.4 moa @ 100 yds I had before but it's better in every other way. No brainer to me. The Mossy can be had for around $550 + tx in many places.
814d2d No.625611
>>625386
I actually put down 100 yesterday for the scout version of that
1b5cd3 No.626613
>>624896
Flecktarn is getting hard to find in anything other than manlet/twink sizes these days.
Would ATACS AU or ATACS FG be viable options?
4ae3d2 No.626632
there are tons of poorfag-oriented 'what to buy' infographics, but what about for non-poorfags? what about some better stuff?
b8b326 No.626635
>>626613
AFAIK, A-TACS is more or less expensive, unless you go for knock offs. I'd rather go with full OD/Tan gear or just your standard M81/DCU, which are both ubiquitous.
1b5cd3 No.626642
Can anyone recommend some good places to buy good quality army surplus? The only one I know of is Kommandostore. :/
b33099 No.626672
>>626613
>ATACS FG
It's one of the best woodland camo there is if not the best.
Problem is that shit is fairly expensive especially if you want a full kit in it.
a2f354 No.626701
Can we please get a pols/k/a version?
902c81 No.626704
>>626642
keepshooting.com
sportsmansguide
Only ones i can think of off the top of my head, don't we have a list of these places?
d0f842 No.626722
0c8271 No.626725
>>626613
Ruski ATACS is probably less expensive. Grey shop carries a few items in ATAKA-FG and ATAKA-AU.
You'd still be spending well over 100 USD with shipping though.
https://grey-shop.ru/Special-suits/Gorka-Suits/Gorka-DC-4-ANA
For super cheap shit, Swiss M73 and M83 are probably a decent option. It isn't ideal for the typical American woodland, but it is serviceable, better than you might expect. Not so much for more arid regions, where plain khaki with some mud smeared on it might be better. Original M81 woodland is pretty difficult to come by, but the numerous derivatives can be had at fairly low prices.
ffbbe3 No.626900
>>626613
>>626672
I've wanted A-TACS FG for my loadout for some time.
a9825a No.627108
>>610174
>Barring concealment, everything Handguns do can be done cheaper and better by a longarm
You wouldn't use a longarm as a secondary/backup firearm, would you?
bccffa No.627113
>>627108
>he doesn't carry multiple longarms with him at all times
3459e7 No.627493
>>610375
This.
If anyone will go deep into gorilla/asymmetric warfare and you aren't fighting on the government forces (police, army, marines, national guard, etc.) then don't even waste your money on armor and rely more on tactics.
After all, THEY are the ones expecting to get shot, not you.
e26575 No.627505
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>610375
>dude armor only protects my lungs and heart lmfao, absolutely useless, the enemy can just shoot the rest of my body instead XD
If you ever got shot in the chest I wouldn't even waste a bandage on you, faggot.
bbf79a No.627529
the problem with all these "recommended gear to buy" threads is that they're all for poorfags. what about some recommendations for actual good stuff to buy for people that can afford to buy decent shit? that's my pet peeve about this board
b47c33 No.627530
>>627529
>complaining about muh poorfags in the budget bloc thread
If you want to see recommendations for higher-quality shit, research it yourself, or, better yet, why don't you make your own chart for that shit, faggot?
fdcfe2 No.627536
>>627529
>wah, why isn't the budget thread sucking my dick
Go play in traffic, faggot.
e26575 No.627549
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>>627529
For 3 reasons:
1. Most expensive stuff are shit and mostly for LARPing or cool-factor.
2. This thread is called Budget Bloc
3. You can't arm dozens of people each with gear worth $5,000+ unless you're a kike
4. If you want to ask for high-budget recommendations then either make your own thread or try your luck with the QTDDTOT
pic unrelated
e26575 No.627550
>>627549
wait a minute, that's 4 reasons
b27889 No.627552
>>626701
Bumping for this.
>>627550
That’s why you’re in debt, none of you can count!
c023d9 No.627554
>>610179
UK it's relatively easy as long as you are not a city cuck to get access to shotguns, especially automatic ones. There's also a surplus of WW1 era service rifles and a lot of them you don't even need a license or any background checks to get only if you decide to shoot the ammunition does it become an issue due to being deemed obsolete.
Really the main issue for UK is getting a vest and helmet since a lot of the stuff for sale is really badly used.
664fa5 No.627660
>>627529
Why are you even on this board? It must be crippling for you to type in Crye or Noveske into a search engine? It's not as if YT isn't replete with video of faggots "reviewing" the $5,000 sling they just bought by going on a brief jaunt down on the back-forty between the pistol and rifle ranges, rolling in the weeds, and then telling you how amazing it is.
5bdf1e No.627666
>>610676
Thank you /k/omrade.
fdcfe2 No.627962
>>611044
>iphone
>using what amounts in the current year to a personal tracking device
You deserve the waterboarding you’re going to get the moment you try to go innawoods if you listen to this CIAnigger.
3aebeb No.627991
>>611044
>smartphone when SHTF
Fucking retarded when you can get fully featured hand transceivers for less than $40. Baofeng, Wouxun, and a few other brands all make super cheap amateur radios that can hit the FRS/GMRS bands and other some commerical/emergency stuff. Tutorials are widely available.
2d960b No.628158
>>627991
>>627962
virgin baofeng and ham radio vs chad just use your phone you're in a war anyways
b8b326 No.628201
>>626900
You could get a chink copy of it for cheap.
0b84b4 No.628253
>>627991
The only thing a cellphone is good for in shtf is andflmsg and GPS Status outputting coordinates to MGRS.
7b6127 No.628383
>>628253
>GPS Status outputting coordinates to MGRS.
Is there a mapping GPS app for smartphones (a free one duh) that gives position in MGRS grids?
Would be useful in a SHTF or similar scenario.
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d98a89 No.628390
If you fags aren't equipping everyone with at least $5,000+ worth of equipment, you might as well not have anything at all.
Also,
>implying any of you will actually use it
>implying you won't happily give it all up when the police come to rape you
da8b6a No.628396
>>628383
Most of the rebels were using their mobiles for that shit before the UA knocked the lines out temporarily.
7b6127 No.628400
>>628396
Ok, and the app used is/was…???
000000 No.628449
>>618748
>not modifying your three hole balaclava into a two hole balaclava so you can wear glasses without having them getting foggy
How? I am not seeing how this would work.
664fa5 No.628455
>>628383
Just get a dedicated GPS unit. I have a Garmin eTrex Vista HCx that gives position in MGRS, doesn't require an app, runs on AA, and I can use Garmin's Basecamp or a slew of other FOSS resources that use custom made or commercial maps, including importing from Google Earth.
7c8d2f No.628458
>>628383
The shtf general has a couple websites for printable maps or more professional mgrs/usgrid in the op. Mappingsupport got hit by jewgle, but they are coding their mgrs layer for some open source web map which hasn't realized yet.