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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 6514bae9fb7d7f2⋯.jpg (498.41 KB, 800x1067, 800:1067, Leo-Köhler-Concamo-3.jpg)

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52bf8d  No.608962

So what's up with this new german camo pattern?

Why does it work so well?

cd4e1a  No.608965

Looks too environment specific. Flecktarn was over focused on Germany's darkly colored woodland and this doesn't look like much of an improvement. I can understand why Germany would pick a camo that is focused on Germany, they officially only have a "defense force" and not an army, but it still doesn't change that.


e40c51  No.609038

File: fe85c9fcfa1c85f⋯.jpeg (340.82 KB, 500x475, 20:19, 539E3EC0-274A-4837-BB4B-E….jpeg)

I thought that it was called Multitarn™


48f227  No.609040

>>608962

OP I am disappointed, when I read new German Camo I though first that you would deliver some new picss of the new patterns for the Bundeswehr.

>>608965

This is not a official production of the Bundeswehr, but a private production by a German Camouflage researcher.

Its actually pretty good and not really as environmental specific as the picture make it look like.

My problem with it is that anybody today can throw together a camouflage pattern that is working on an optical level, the real deal today is camouflage that also works against night vision.


556768  No.609042

>>608965

>Looks too environment specific

Can this abhorrent meme die already? I'd rather have camo that "works only under specific terrain" which means it works in almost the entire country rather than a mediocre camo that doesn't work fucking anywhere unless I lay in the shadows behind dense grass and still risk getting spotted anyway.

Camouflage that looks similar to the stuff hunters use is objectively superior. It will always be more effective than any other camo no matter the terrain. If your jack of all trades camo works everywhere then so will OP's. Your 60s uniform isn't more effective than Realtree and never will be

>>609040

>the real deal today is camouflage that also works against night vision.

This is the only argument. If it can bypass thermals and NVGs then it is superior to any other aesthetic meme pattern anons keep posting here.


633a8e  No.609044

File: 81a4195fb5f40e6⋯.jpg (676 KB, 1402x788, 701:394, US4CES-Woodland-MARPAT-Woo….jpg)

>>608962

>Why does it work so well?

High amount of macro disruptive elements, along with dithering effect on those same elements which transitions into the micro part.

>new patterns for the Bundeswehr

Is it a desert pattern? I hope so.

It doesn't look cheap.

>>609040

>the real deal today is camouflage that also works against night vision

This. I'd wager that OD gear with a small NV footprint would be more useful nowadays. MARPAT glows like a tacky christmas tree in NV and Multicam isn't all that better. There's also the problem that camouflage patterns tend to lose color in NIR, making them essentially one color.


e33254  No.609136

>>609042

tbf you are only talking because coincidentally the camo we use is almost perfect for our local terrain.


556768  No.609197

File: 1945c1cc1d2e608⋯.jpg (498.36 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1.jpg)

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>>609136

>is almost perfect for our local terrain.

No it isn't, it only works inside dense grass. You stick out like a sore thumb if you lay down in rocks or ground. We need a new pattern, preferably something similar to Realtree but for Greek terrain.

Our camouflage is objectively superior to the majority of the trash other countries use, but it is far from being perfect or even optimal. If our military wasn't a pile of shit we would have proper camo patterns for both Greek and Turkish dessert terrain and we would also make sure the gear and weapons are also painted in the camo, rather than sticking out and making the entire pattern worthless.

3rd picture, does it look like "almost perfect for our local terrain" to you? Because to me it seems that even if he laid down in the ground in those bushes he would still stick out like a sore thumb. Meanwhile pictures 1 & 2 are excellent. I know they are edited and the image has increased contrast and sharpness to make them seem more effective, but you can't come up with any other pattern that is superior. We should - and must, get off our asses and make something similar for Greek rocky terrain.


8c43f8  No.609211

>>609042

>>609040

>>609136

>>609197

Camo depends 100% on the environment.

Dress blue and go for a swim. No guy in a helo will be able to find you. Dress green and walk through a desert and eveyone can see you from miles away.

If you want camo that magically works everywhere you end up with UCP, which is shit.

Picking a camouflage pattern should be done with the environment you suspect the fighting to take place in in mind.

Since the modern military is employed in a bunch of different zones at the same time, it is likely that they will have to adapt different uniforms for different areas. Using too many different camo patterns can cause logistics trouble, though.

This is where the individual soldier comes back into action. By picking local vegetation and attaching it to the uniform any soldier can conceal their own outline and make their appearance match more closely to the environment.

Too lazy to webm it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Camouflage_%281944%29.ogv


e33254  No.609222

File: 03a18323d70eac9⋯.jpg (71.25 KB, 600x600, 1:1, Greek Desert Lizard.jpg)

>>609197

>You stick out like a sore thumb if you lay down in rocks or ground.

Naked rock and ground are usually a terrain for battle when you defend military installations, it's a rarity for the usual battlegrounds in Greece that are coastal shrublands and conifer woodlands 90+% ot the times.

> proper camo patterns for Turkish dessert terrain

That's a lot of wishful thinking, given our projection of force capabilities, but I agree that our camo when we go out playing the waterboys in the sand for NATO and Greater Israel should be more customized to near eastern subdesert environments than our current no-effort "shitted-on and then bleached" pattern.

>3rd picture, does it look like "almost perfect for our local terrain" to you?

Given that the cover positions in the photo are kermes oak bushes/trees that along with Aleppo and Turkish pines which form over half of the Greek wilderness, yeah I think it's pretty gud. If you are out in the open you are pretty fucked either way and if the camos were a bit paler they would still provide decent camouflage even in this artificial terrain of compressed soil and cleared grass. If anything we need summer camos more oriented towards yellow grass and military camp environments since these are the only often used for combat grounds that the standard forest lizard pattern is subpar for.




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