/k/ - Weapons

You can pre-order goy https://www.hmgunworks.com/product/hmg-sturmgewehr-stg-n/

>>605802

I ALREADY PREORDERED

THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD BE HERE BY 2016!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

>>605801

Why would you even want one?

I mean an original, sure, it's a great collectible, but there is a reason why those were distributed to third worlders rather than just looted/copied even at a time most countries that did got them as loot in the hundreds of thousands (if not millions), didn't have assault rifle and had 0 problem copying everything the germans made under a new slap of paint (hell sometimes it was the same paint)…

They're pretty shit at what they do.

Ask (((Karl)))

Isn't there some German company that makes near-identical copies of Kraut WW2 weapons, even those obscure Volksturm ghetto blasters?

>>605845

The real Jewry is $800 for a chinese century arms ak

>.300BLK, almost 2k after tax

That's a spicy meatball.

>>605829

Sport-Systeme Dittrich. They're quality stuff, H&K tier prices too.

>>605829

>>605876

http://www.ssd-weapon.com/waffen-historisch.html

WE SHOULD ALL HAVE STURMGEWEHRS

YOU GET A STURMGEWEHR

HE GETS A STURMGEWEHR

EVERYONE GETS STURMGEWEHR

>>605829

Yup, but thanks to the NRA shilling their import bans, you'll never ever get to even see one.

>>605868

>$800

>chink ak

>new?

Where do I get such an okay deal

>>605919

>ar style "receiver extension" so no folding stock

>receiver extension is just wood buttstock no metal lining inside so damage to stock could mean jamming

>built as cheap throw away in a few months as opposed to the AK's beat it till it dies 80 years later or AR's replace everything with hand tools

>germans had shit springs so it was deisgned with shit springs in mind such as the overly long return spring

>manufacture of the internals was complicated as fuck until it they cheapened it by literally cutting corners

>tilting bolt design as opposed to the modern standard of rotating bolt

>head spacing by using spacer blocks that would be locked in with molten lead

It's a first of it's kind/early design type of deal just like many of the other weapons used. Such as the M1 having gaping holes for dirt ingress or the G43 getting caustic shit all over itself when firing and requiring tons of maintenance in which you remove the gas trap from the front, yet the gas trap has the front sight mounted on it making you lose zero each time you clean it. They are old designs and may have been improved but most were dumped in favor of better designs that were made using lessons learned, such as the CETME/G3

>>605929

>>head spacing by using spacer blocks that would be locked in with molten lead

The spacers ARE lead, anon.

Also,

>shits on Sturmgewehr

>wants a shitty chinese AK assembled by monkeys

>>605829

You should see the Serb one.

>>605939

>shits on Sturmgewehr

>wants a shitty chinese AK assembled by monkeys

An AK, like everything, is intrinsically better than a sturmgewher and a Chicom AK is better than all AKs ever made in the US.

So I dread to think what an US made sturmgewher is…

It's something designed during wartime because of war needs and they clearly stopped designing at the "this kind of works" stage.

>>605947

>>605947

>a Chicom AK is better than all AKs ever made in the US

That's not saying much when US AKs blow up. Chinese AKs don't blow up but you'll never hit what you're aiming at and when you take it apart your fingers get sliced up.

>>605929

So make a Sturmgewehr 88 faget

french autist is ignoring that the weapons being sold by HMG aren't just reproductions, they've reworked almost everything internally. You really think a modern American company would charge over 1k for a weapon intentionally built with poor springs, fucked headspace, and a lifespan of less than 3k rounds? Don't be a retard.

>>605947

>Chicom AK is better than all AKs ever made in the US

There are some pretty nice boutique AK companies based in the US tbh. They're overpriced yeah but they aren't bad guns by any means.

>>605876

>>605893

How the fuck do I actually buy anything on here?

>>605958

>You really think a modern American company would charge over 1$ for a burger intentionally prepared with poor meat, fucked bread, and food energy content of over 2.3kJ? Don't be a retard.

Joking aside: shit products exist, and we are yet to see how well the new StG will perform never ever.

>>605947

>a product that was produced later

>>605966

You don't.

I could write a letter to

Sport Systeme Dittrich,
Burghaiger Weg 20 a, 95326 Kulmbach

along with a copy of my hunters/sports shooters/collectors license (These are so accurate from the outside that the German government decided to allow collectors of WWII weapons to buy these things (with 30 round magazines too)). And within a month I would have my own StG 44 clone chambered in 7,92x33k for just 2700 Eurobucks.

>>605804

>preording

>ever

lmaoing @ your life

>>605969

>a product that was produced later

My point is, it's stuff designed in wartime and mass production in wartime, under insane constraints of everything (time, materials or even simply living conditions).

You can't really complain if the G41, StG, RSC 1917, Sten, etc… are worse than similar stuff that was designed in peace time with all the time in the world and abundant testing and competition to polish them, it's perfectly normal given the insane constraint Germany/France/UK were at the time of the designs.

Making dubious designs in peace time is what is unforgivable.

Let's right a letter to HMGunworks one word at a time. Dubs have to email it to them:

Dear

>>605983

Cunt

>>605984

caliber

>>605991

WHERE

>>605993

WUNDERWAFFE

If you already own a couple of nice combat rifles/carbines for those purposes, and you have the cash leftover to buy an accurate new replica for your collection, that is fine to keep building a poor weapon even in modern times for collection and fun sake. Its not like these are going to mean less FAL's, G3;s, AR in the hands of folks. Nobody is saying "I'm going to sell my high end new weapons to buy this" or "I won't get a Super Match M1a because I'm gonna buy this instead".

The complaints about old weapons still in manufacture have some validity (most old weapons being manufactured are built because they are still useful, not obsolete replicas, the M1a, Mauser, Hi Power are old but gold, still made and still useful) so backwards useless designs make no sense in the larger scheme of things. Even if the 1911 or side ejector revolver are to be called obsolescent by some, they are no obsolete, nor are they backwards junk. A nigger built Greasegun or Sten or StG44 lose to the other weapons named because, as Frenchie noted, they are inferior to the point of no longer making sense. I still defend the people who buy and want to buy these new StG44, but I understand Frenchie's argument; we use 120 year old designs that work, we don't use 70 year old designs that don't.

Even if you hate the M14/M1a, well taken care of it is capable of modern combat, the Tommy gun is heavy but as a civilian single shot plinker it is a better 16 inch barrel carbine than the M3 Greaser. The BAR is now used by Browning as a high end auto loading hunting rifle. These other mid war designs, however, have the problem they are clunky and no longer have a USEFUL place in the collection in their original forms.

>>605996

nIgGeRs

>>605997

The Browning Arms BAR has nothing to do with the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle. Is this bait?

>>605998

Please

>>606004

Neger

>>606001

>>606006

After fucking up my response, I'll also admit that was something I was unaware of. Honest mistake on my part, good to learn something once and a while.

>>606007

Loving

>>605801

It’s in Syria

https://archive.fo/bH6E0

>>606012

CUCKOLDS

>>606016

EFPs are so fucking cool.

>>606019

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>606021

Jew

>>605868

https://www.classicfirearms.com/chinese-arsenal-66-ak-47-underfolder-by-jra

>>606022

WINRAR

>>606059

>chinese AK

>it's a shitty american AK with some chinese furniture

Based

>>606069

>James River

>shitty

You take that back. Those guys tend to make some fantastic shit.

>>606076

Any AK should not cost more than $400, and $400 should be the general price for a very high quality AK

>>606077

If that's the case, how do I build an AK for under $500? Legitimate question.

>>606077

And G43's shouldn't be more than $180 and surplus bolt gun no more than $50 but I don't control how god damned inflated everything is including how worthless Fiat currency is. Besides that 400 dollars back then is around 1100/1200 nowadays.

>>606079

Parts kit provided you have the tools needed to slap the thing together. Sometimes you get them pretty much built aside from the receiver.

>>606081

I should've specified, that's my fault. What's the cheapest I can build an AK if all I have is a drill press and a welder?

>>606065

KAAAAARL

>>606083

Around 700 depending on the kit. You need a jig bend the flat as well as something to do rivets. This is assuming you have the competence to use the bend jig with a vice.

>>606085

That's what I've been finding on the internet but >>606077 said that AKs should be no more for 400 which makes me think that I should easily be able to make one for under that tools not applying.

>>606087

Economies of scale my dude. You can't buy sheet metal and rivets in bulk, and you're not tooled up to stamp metal into receivers en masse.

>>605956

It's called roller delayed blow back you nigger and she's perfect unless you reload

>>606069

No it's a parts kit build. The shit that really matters such as the trunions and carrier group are chink. For whatever reason the cheaper US ak MANUFACTURERS don't know what proper heat treatment is and how a proper rivet should look like.

AK builders are usually okay, like when DDI was a thing. Unfortunately they killed themselves in style when they tried to make a 100% us ak shotgun and fucked up hard that they needed palmetto state armory to pay their life support bill but then palmetto pulled the plug because why not.

>>606083

>>606085

Check out ammo channels videos on his niggered AK build. He used tack welds in place of most of the rivets. Wasn't pretty but it just werks. Until the trunions become a thing

>>606077

>>606087

That should be an argument for ARs. AKs still require shop machinery and a well trained monkey with an eye for detail. You can labotimze, drug up, and train a nigger to preform one job on an AR assembly line and you'll still pump out ass loads of properly made ARs with defective ones being tossed into a pile of easily fixed fuck ups since basic ARs only require hand tools during assembly using a set screw gas block and midwest style no timing needed barrel nut with handguard of course. If you want an idea of how many points you can fuck up an AK during assembly then watch any video reviewing any I.O. AK. Maybe even early wasr AK videos.

>>605963

They don't actually manufacture the components, they just build kits into rifles.

>>606096

Weld-builds are just as shit as screw-builds.

>>606102

I believe Rifle Dynamics manufactures their own components, not sure about any others though.

>>606106

They started contracting out for front trunnions that are actually forged, but afaik no one makes quality bolts or bolt carriers.

>>606160

If only Hitler had the funding to outfit all of the Wehrmacht with StGs.

>>606182

A Wehrmacht armed with MG-42s, MP-40 for section leader, most of the squad armed with STGs, and 1 or 2 men with actual improved G43s would have been a force to be reckoned with

>>606192

the 1 or 2 with G43s acting as designated marksmen, polite sage for double post

>>606144

>StG-45

Just get a PTR-32 nigger

>>606223

Notice my flag, burger. Getting a semi-auto here is like getting a CCW in LA.

I can't afford to get my local politician re-elected, and it falls under "appearance" laws because it looks "too military", and is therefore banned. FML.

STG is actually really fucking inferior. If you are gonna buy it in 7.62 meme round or .223 its useless.

I haven't even seen any 7.92x33 rounds recently. Good luck buddy.

>>606266

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC3QIt1UxYM

>>606266

Prvi stuff is 14 a box. Its around, downside is original guns don't like it and I'd assume these ones might have hiccups with it too.

>>606192

>a force to be reckoned with

A Wehrmacht armed with MG42s, sharp sticks, MBTs, artillery and US-tier logistics would be better. Small arms don't win wars with tanks.

>>606292

Privi uses .308 brass for their 8x33mm brass, which is mostly fine since they're both just variants of 8x57mm. They havet he same rim diameter and case head diameter, so it's mostly fine, but .308 uses a different angle than the original 8x33, so it can fuck up the extractor.

HMG was meant to be selling replacement extractors for original StGs that allowed you to easily shoot Privi ammo without worrying about breaking your extractor, but even that is vapourware now.

>>606320

>.308 Winchester and 8mm Kurz are variants of 8mm Mauser

Holy fucking shit read a book you idiot. Lurk for at least six months before posting again.

>>606325

>.308 is a shortened .30-06

>.30-06 is just a necked down and lengthened 8x57mm

>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY'RE NOT RELATED AT ALL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

>>>/estados unidos/

>>606333

I'm not sure if they're the exact same model of belt probably are, but they're both interchangeable, you can load .308 into an 8mm belt and 8mm into a .308 belt just fine.

>>606343

>>.308 is a shortened .30-06

308 is from the 300 savage you fucking pommy faggot.

>>606343

The belts aren't even similar, you retard. The MG3 uses NATO M13 belts for 7.62x51 NATO, the MG 42 belt was proprietary to the gun. .308 Winchester was neither a wildcat of 7.92mm Mauser nor are they dimensionally similar in anything EXCEPT base diameter. .308 is based on .300 Savage. Go back to /int/ with your lack of education.

>>606346

>you can load .308 into an 8mm belt and 8mm into a .308 belt just fine.

Der Juden did have a belt that worked with both of them along with .30-06, so I'm not surprized.

>>606346

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_MG_3#Feeding

>MG 3 machine guns are belt-fed, using non-disintegrating metal DM1 belts, which have links that wrap around the cartridge case and are linked by a coiling wire on each side. DM1 belts are preloaded at ammunition factories in 50-round connectable belt lengths and can be linked to any length necessary. Alternatively the MG3 can also be fed by disintegrating metal M13 link belts (designated DM60 by Germany) used by many NATO member states.

Not going to glorify his limey autism with a (You) again, but also, .30-06 was not based on 7.92 Mauser. Literally not a single thing that guy said was correct. Laugh at him.

>>606346

I hate to break it to you, Amierfat, but >>606349 is right. The non-disintegrating belts are used to this day, especially during training because it's cheaper.

The MG3/42 non-disintegrating belts both hold the cartridge at the rim. Both 8-Mauser and 7.62NATO have the same diameter at the base. The belts are perfectly interchangeable.

>>606385

>DM1 belt = Patronengurt 41

Simply ebin. Being German doesn't come with literacy, I take it? Or are you samefagging?

>>606393

Believe it or not the belts do interchange. Got a friend who runs MG3 belts and the original 34 belts in a 34, the former being a hell of a lot easier to get and not beat to shit like the latter.

>>606401

>take your meds

Well, I know for a fact you're either not Canadian or your story is crap. An MG3 in civilian ownership in syrupland is not feasible. So where are your proofs?

>>606404

Shit, MG 34. I shouldn't quickdraw post while at work. Polite sage.

>>606404

http://www.tnwfirearms.com/product-p/mg34-cplt-0008-bkxx-xxxx.htm They're real fun with a shoestring.

>>606406

It's not banned for looking like the real thing? You'd think the precedent they've set in the past would at least be halfway consistent. Not complaining, of course, every country's laws are already too strict. Fun should be unrestricted.

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/stg-44-in-africa-after-wwii/

>When WWII ended in 1945, the Soviet army retained and stored every StG-44 it found. By best estimate, in 1948 there were about 102,000 StG-44s in Soviet custody. As the SKS and AK-47 were already entering Soviet use, the captured StG-44s were not issued to Soviet units but rather made available for transfer abroad, with Czechoslovakia being the first and main recipient, followed by East Germany. Hungary also received a small (about 4,000) batch, and Yugoslavia also received some prior to it’s split with the east bloc. These joined StG-44s captured by the Yugoslavs themselves. Finally the Soviets transferred a few to North Vietnam; these in turn were joined by more transferred from Czechoslovakia and East Germany (which themselves had come from the USSR) as those two countries phased the type out.

>>606442

Now that I think about it, the Sturmgewehr is rather similar to the Chaucat: both of them are revolutionary weapons in their own ways, and both of them overcomplicated yet low quality weapons that were rushed into production.

Why didn't they at least make it look like an Stg44? Just the buttstock makes it look like some cheap Chinese toy Stg

>>606675

Watch some videos where the HMG guys talk about their philosophy of design. You want a 1:1 StG, then you pay SSD a shit ton of money. What HMG is doing is "modernizing" the StG as much as is possible.

>>606018

That article is BS BTW.

Lebanon and Syria got their stockpile of StG from France (Egypt got some from UK too).

The french armies were reconstituted almost as fast as territory was liberated, there just wasn't enough US surplus gear to go around so most of the shit seized from the germans by the western allies went to equip the french.

Of course when things calmed down and there was enough french made small arms to go around they quickly disposed of it and as they were leaving dumped them in the Levant for auxiliaries forces while getting back US made gear from there.

Yugoslavia kept making parts and ammo for them long after that but in the 80's Syria had long switched to AKs.

>>607032

Did you import any of them into Indochina? Because if the gooks already had a stockpile of German weapons, then that would explain why the USSR sent them even more of that:

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/wwii-german-weapons-during-the-vietnam-war/

>>606759

Modernizing the Stg would mean that you redesign the trunion and internals so that a CNC lather can shit them out at a decent rate; completely redesign the chassis so that it's lighter, easier to produce, has a rail for optics and lots of MLOK in the handguard; put the AKs trigger group into it; and maybe change the placement of the recoil spring, so that you can have a folding stock. Of course it wouldn't resemble the Stg at all in the end.

>>607034

>Did you import any of them into Indochina?

Not as far as I know. In Indochina most of the equipment was either pre-war french gear with USM2 carbines (weird M2s at that, most of the ones we had stayed there, which is why the US widely issued them to South Vietnam as they already had a lot of them), or later french 1949 patterns of gear as they had priority especially for SMGs (MAS 49 were rarer).

Most of the troops redeployed were colonial troops, colonial troops had been under allied command since the end of 1942 and were therefore fully equipped in the mix US/French gear of WWII and de facto supplied by US logistics (as french logistic was still in taters), they had no need to ship scavenged german guns from halfway across the planet.

It's possible some were sent there for auxiliaries, especially shit like MP40 as there was a SMG glut, but it wouldn't have been a big amount.

French for example never used German MGs or US BARs even during WWII because you had plants making parts for FM 24/29 and 7.5 french ammo in Algeria and Lebanon and enough of them were available (largely because Vichy guys were smuggling a lot of them out of France), the US supplied M1919 browning MGs that were easily converted to 7.5 french (I'm not 100% sure you actually need to do anything to it given that 7.5 french is just a bit smaller than .308 win) which led to the result that french troops before France liberation were almost entirely equipped with French guns and ammo, despite all the major plants unavailable.

>>607101

You need a new bolt face. 7.5Fr is .30mm wider than .30-06. Most likely your guns were based on the Aircraft guns FN did for you.

>>605801

HMG does livestreams on their faceberg page every other Friday, I suggest you check them out.

They have their magazines now and are basically in their endgame, they are now doing final tests before shipping out. The wait is actually almost over. Also they have vastly improved their manufacturing techniques and will now be able to produce the rifles at a much larger rate than they were anticipating before, so once the rifles start shipping, the orders are going to get fulfilled quick.

>>606561

The Vollmer M35 fits that bill even better (less of the 'low quality' part) and substantially earlier. Again, it really is bizarre that it fell through the way it did and that the Waffenamt, reactionary shits though they may be, decided to completely reinvent the wheel while making no use of Vollmer or his work, starting from scratch with requirements that they could've already fulfilled in design. And then they're slow as sin going about it.

The earlier a concept can be teased out through the issue of requirements to designers & manufacturers, the earlier it can be prototyped and pre-pro'd, the earlier it can be deployed in field, the earlier you can work out the glitches, and the earlier you can perfect your mass-production option. It is the most infuriating nonsense to look at in hindsight, and it wasn't even sensible in the time the decision was made, short war mindset or no.

>>607137

I unfortunately think this is true.

>>606076

I've got a Tantal by JRA. It's a total piece of shit and I had to send it in for warranty repairs. Split casings, constant jams, and had a casing get stuck inside the chamber. Couldn't get it out with vice grips, had to stick a longer cleaning rod down the barrel and smash it on the floor. Bolt hangs if you ease it forwards by hand, extractor is finicky, it's just awful.

I'm hoping it was just a one-off and I ended up with a rare dud, but I'm still pissed about it, and will be until I get a working rifle back in my hands and can dump a few hundred rounds at the range with zero malfunctions.

>>607191

Sounds like a lemon with an out of spec chamber and a gas block that came loose. The extractor probably has crud somewhere under it.

>>607137

or you can actually watch their streams and see what they have to say. You act like they are some super secret shady company when they have fully transparent livestreams where they talk about what they are doing, the progress of the project, any changes they have made, what still needs to be done, etc… They are the only manufacturer I have ever known to do this, and they do it because of dolts like you who do nothing but complain and make assumptions while knowing nothing about what is actually happening.

>>607289

A lot of their time is taking the magical properties of the StG and converting them into commonthink. I remember one video when they were talking about how baffled they were with the original StG's headspacing being something like 10x that of a modern rifle.

>>607118

This is smelling MDR's levels of bullshit and somehow worse.

>>607289

Having livestreams where they say "shipping soon" for 2 years isn't transparency.

>>607758 meant for >>606059

>>607561

Well the MDR actually did come out eventually, so probably worse.