a6722a No.600267
https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/issues/Summer_2016/8_Pak.pdf
How bad would a war between China and India be? Especially if it's over a resource necessary for life. Will the Pakis back China, and would anyone back India? Just imagine 10's of millions, if not 100's of millions of manlets slaughtering each other.
c27014 No.600270
>>600267
>How bad would a war between China and India be?
Poo and plastic rice all over the place. A total ecological disaster.
>Will the Pakis back China
The only thing the Pakis will back is Labour and some british boipussy when they all flood into the UK as "refugees".
ff1f88 No.600276
>2.5% of each population die
>65 million dead
Ave Nex Alea.
0c675f No.600278
>you will never place bets with Russkis on which retard (who actually believe they will be the next superpower) will win their retard fight
7cba4a No.600283
Please stop, I don't want to be so aroused in the morning.
It's ironic that a war between India and China would cause a civil war in Australia, due to how many of both kinds live there.
a931e1 No.600286
>>600283
Canada here, we'd have one too. At least the city's housing their respective vermin are right next to each other Would be fun to watch
7cba4a No.600291
>>600286
It would be a war of taxi drivers/7-11 workers vs $2 shop owners and all you can eat Chinese buffet waiters.
1d4dad No.600315
Watching the lazy spoilt children of two of the most corrupt societies in the world reenact Verdun in freezing high altitude… it'll be hillarious
a6722a No.600316
There's also a Maoist insurgency going on in some parts of India and China is rumored to support them. If they are supporting them they need to give them better guns. I'm sure they'd get a hold of some MANPADs if Indo-Chinese relations went south
d18bca No.600320
It would finally be a proper war since WWII. Millions dead, millions wounded, millions of civilians butchered and millions of properties forever destroyed.
c26b55 No.600324
>Just imagine 10's of millions, if not 100's of millions of manlets slaughtering each other.
And doing it in the Himalayas, so they're all suffering from hypoxia.
45ac09 No.600326
Damn, that kind of war would be perfect to train troops there. Both sides are fucking retarded and pose a minimal thread, are easy, weak and small targets that will go down easily.
I would volunteer to go there just to have a shooting range with reactive targets and beautiful scenery.
ed0bf4 No.600328
>>600320
Maybe, it might be the first proper war since WWII, however, the 2nd American civil war will be much worse, mainly because of the implications it has on the rest of the world.
f219dc No.600342
>>600267
To win the poo would have to assault the Himalayan plateau, which China has heavily invested in infrastructure meaning they can move a shit load of troops there fairly fast.
So you would have a couple of poo mountain division trying to take passes from the wrong side with changs having the terrain, the numbers and the firepower.
It would make for history funniest battles since Turkey tried to invade Russia through the Caucasus in WWI.
Also the tale is told 100% from westerners eyes. China doesn't have territory claims with India.
China took control of all the land they claimed in 1962 and India couldn't do shit about it, they kept what they wanted and withdrew to where they like the frontier to be.
They conquered pretty much the whole Arunachal Pradesh but gave it back immediately because they were in fact fine with where the frontier is in that area (they did the opposite in Kashmir and kept Aksai Chin which they consider theirs).
So at best it is India, Nepal and Bhutan (both being Indian protectorates) that has territorial claims on territory held by China, not the other way around (but India has long ceased to claim this shit, they were doing it in the early 60's at the urgency of the UK to fuck with China annexation of Tibet, but losing soldiers, prestige and money for useless land has it's limits. Even the poo aren't that dumb).
So you have some time pissing contest circus over the border areas (because while both sides are fine with where the border are, neither can admit it officially because they would lose face. Welcome to Asia.) but it's nothing to wage war over.
Third the whole water thing assume something that is hilarious.
That both Chinese and Indian government give a fuck about the quality of life of the random poo/chang drone.
Protip: they really don't.
0c82cf No.600350
>>600267
India wants battle rifles, not assault rifles.
That's the RIGHT fucking choice for montane terrain. It's the same choice Greece made, and for the same reason.
You can clearly see the enemy a short distance away, but water or cliff is stopping you from getting any closer and using your assault rifles as they should be used (~300m). All the enemy has to do is slowly increase the distance to the point your assault rifles don't penetrate his cover, but his rifles penetrate your cover. And then he fucking wrecks your shit.
I think China believes that India is a pushover, and can't defend itself. So in all honesty if they do attack, it will be like stepping in cow shit and losing their MADE IN CHINA boot.
I'd like to see a very large war between those two countries, it would be better than WWII.
b9801b No.600356
>>600267
>India and China go to war, global economy crashes with no survivors after the detonation of an Indian sewer nuke in Shenzen
>Major shitholes on both sides nuked, millions die
>Every ethnic group/province/town/household in China rebels against the other following the collapse of the country's economic, physical and political infrastructure, it falls back into 1920s warlordism
>US starts to covertly sell toilet paper and ATGMs to muslim extremists and lower caste tards
>Poofugees enrich the streets of Berlin while Bhutanese troops march towards Mongolia
>Taiwan invades the former People's Republic
>Japanese economy experiences its biggest economic surge since the 1950s
>Pakis try to conquer India but they are repelled by extrordinarily smelly US-funded rebels who were originally supposed to overthrow the Indian government
>Some other rebels try to conquer Mumbai but falter against Russian CAS
>Russia moves in and repairs designated shitting streets, situation slowly returns to normal
>meanwhile the badly mitigated collapse of the Chink-based Western consumer economy triggers the outbreak of the Second American civil war, with the soylent gentry ravaging the streets of every major Democrat county after the forced rationing of soy and Nintendo while the US countryside descends into insurgent firearm fascism following several failed attempts at violent gun grabbing by local (((politicians)))
>Nippon speed-annexes Manchuria to acquire oil and reinstate the Asian co-prosperity sphere just as Beijing falls to an ROC-imposed siege
>Saudi Arabia declares war on Canada for some reason
>India eventually reacquires its western territories from the Democratic Fecalation of Western India after the Pakis drive off rebel Poos from some disputed border territory, US support has dried up due to EMPs at home and War in Europe
>Bhutan and Nepal acquire considerable amounts of territory, they now have to deal with butthurt Uyghurs though
>North Korea conquers South Korea after the local US fleets fuck off to the Mesoamerican theatre of operations
I'd be a fun timeline.
7d3bb1 No.600360
>>600315
>a supposedly strong but actually quite incompetent "empire" just a few steps away from disintegration on the north
>versus an even more incompetent and arrogant peninsulal "power" with lots of different ethnicities and horribly bad industry on the south
>the frontline will be the gigantic mountain range between then
It's not Verdun, it's the Italian front!
791265 No.600361
791265 No.600362
>>600360
You forgot:
>mongols slightly northwards of them
ecb60b No.600364
>>600278
>you will never place bets with Russkis on which retard (who actually believe they will be the next superpower) will win their retard fight
Why? Do you live in an area where bookmaking is limited to sports and DIGITAL >SPORTS?
91bf55 No.600365
Even if 10% of the people die it would still be around 200-300m casualties, which would surpass any conflict in history, with the possibility of a death toll that exceeds every single military death in history combined
>>600283
>>600286
>Indians start a race war with the Chinese in London
>Sikh's and Paki's join in
>London burns because some conflict thousands of miles away that we have nothing to do with is happening
Can't wait.
ecb60b No.600366
>>600365
>Even if 10% of the people die it would still be around 200-300m casualties, which would surpass any conflict in history, with the possibility of a death toll that exceeds every single military death in history combined
Are chinks and Pajeets fully people?
d18bca No.600367
>>600328
>the 2nd American civil war will be much worse
What's bad about millions of dead niggers and commies?
91bf55 No.600371
>>600367
Gotta bury them all somewhere
ecb60b No.600372
>>600371
Don't you have landfills?
Also, just collect them in garbage trucks?
5b0fa9 No.600376
>>600365
There was riots and shit between the pajeets and pakis when Pakistan lost at cricket. I can't wait for what happens when they go to war.
753736 No.600377
>>600367
Even the death of a single good-hearted patriot is worth more than a million subhumans. K-selected population muhfugga.
791265 No.600381
>>600377
What is it worth for it if not for killing subhumans?
bf1fb7 No.600383
>>600365
>>600286
>>600283
won't happen - ethnics have a sweet gig going overseas, and theyre not going to fuck it up for the governments they fled from
d058f9 No.600393
>>600383
Doubt it buddy. Arabs and Africans remove each other here. Most of the people getting grenaded are other Arabs and Africans.
As for Australia, Australia has deep ties to China at extremely high levels. An Indian/Chinese conflict would see Australia side with China if it was absolutely necessary.
a092a2 No.600394
>>600381
The problem is that white people are infinitely more valuable than the tares (non-whites). There is no ratio of value, like 1 white man = 6 billion niggers. It would better for a googleplex niggers to burn than for one white man to get a papercut
289b39 No.600398
>>600267
The Syrian Civil War has died down, and same goes for the Donbass. ISIS (a.k.a the side that gave out the most amount of keks in the conflict) left the game early, and now we can only watch some commie kurds killing kebabs in the mountains. There's way less real /k/ombat footage compared to the 2013-2014 heyday.
I sure hope the relation between the Poos and the Chinks would just spill into out-right aggression already, but in all honesty it won't be a spectacle, since both would just play it safe and play border skirmishes just like 1965
791265 No.600400
>>600394
Welp, I guess I'm seeing things from the perspective of a mongreloid whose nation's most important contribution to humanity for the last half millennium is kebab removal.
a092a2 No.600402
>>600398
Everyone says that real war won't happen again because everyone is afraid, but it only takes one side in a skirmish to go too far before it blows up
c7f23e No.600404
>>600278
Why are Russians so poor? Serious question.
c7f23e No.600406
>>600315
Why would it be funny? Amusing, but not funny. Unless something did happen that was funny, like Indians having to clean shit from their guns, or the Chinese troops doing Balkan memes.
5b0fa9 No.600407
>>600404
Massive trade embargoes, being ex-commie and a high defence budget.
8b4f67 No.600409
>>600407
It's the ex-commie part that hits the hardest.
It's harder to recover from communism than from getting hit with some nukes.
ecb60b No.600411
>>600404
(((Soviets))) sold gold reserves of every single union country for grains.
Then massive corruption
Then massive embargoes
f219dc No.600414
>>600404
The Russian Empire was already pretty poor (well backwards) compared to western Europe at large before, Russia really only hit the industrial revolution stage around 1870. Russia before that wasn't really far from a pure middle age level civilization, in Moscow/St Petersburg/Kiev/Minsk, you had renaissance level, but everywhere else it was pure feudal peasants/lords and mongol/tatar hordes further east.
Add the commies after that, then the general plundering of what little the commies had accomplished and they were never in condition to really start to catch up before Putin.
They still haven't, (and probably won't) because they have nearly a century to make up for and still have insane environmental/infrastructural challenges.
That's one of the common lies about countries "development", under-developed countries almost never actually can catch up to developed ones.
6ac75f No.600416
>>600406
>Unless something did happen that was funny, like Indians having to clean shit from their guns, or the Chinese troops doing Balkan memes.
But both of those happened already without the war, so even then the war would still only be amusing rather than funny.
753736 No.600418
>>600414
>That's one of the common lies about countries "development", under-developed countries almost never actually can catch up to developed ones.
Eh, it depends. Pre-commie Russia had the fastest-growing economy of the West and had just overtaken France as third most industrialized country. Hong Kong's meteoric rise in economy, tech level, and sophistication once they got relative autonomy from the mainland is another good example. If you leave well enough alone and let people get their own shit together they can become very prosperous very fast.
b98fc1 No.600421
Terrible. The NFA and GCA, plus the Operation Dragonfire fallout, means no interesting surplus.
b9801b No.600425
>>600414
>That's one of the common lies about countries "development", under-developed countries almost never actually can catch up to developed ones.
What did he mean by this?
811038 No.600428
>>600360
>It's not Verdun, it's the Italian front!
>2025
>tfw its the 24th battle for the Himalayas
a6722a No.600434
>>600328
Depends on who wins
b98fc1 No.600445
>>600425
>almost never
The one real exception did it by cold blooded, hardcore imperialism.
efc04a No.600452
>>600425
Japan was always a first world nation, just that it was isolated by choice and conditions. When Europeans brought arquebus's to Japan as imports Japan began to make some of the best arquebus's in the world. Then, back to isolation. Then they were forced to open their doors, then modernize, and guess what, they did. Soon they built their own rifles, their own battleships, their own cars, ect. Japan went from quiet isolation and relative technological underdevelopment to FIRST WORLD POWER in a matter of a few decades. Proof the people are great.
Monkeys in the jungle get the same arquebus's traded to them at the same time during the European exploration age. Monkey's proceed to use them as symbols of wealth and power instead of effective weapons, cannot make their own weapons, much less high class matchlocks. Fast forward to 1800's they are still monkeys and don't learn or copy anything from the Europeans to develop themselves. They remain monkeys. Fast forward, we end imperialism and they are now free with the world willing to invest and help them develop with European infrastructure left behind and now European contact an old thing. Decades go by, they can't fix their own problems WITH THE WIND AT THEIR BACK AND ALL ISOLATION REMOVED AND FULL SUPPORT TO HELP THEM. They are still monkeys. We realize they cannot help themselves.
Japan was always great with great people, ready to take on new technology in a fast pace and eventually compete at head of the world. Africa and other "developing" shitholes are filled with people who will never rise up out of the dirt no matter how hard you try.
Sorry, but Mr. Frenchiefry is correct. If anything he is far too kind. They not only won't catch up with the first world, they will face the hard truth that many will never even ascend beyond 3rd wold shithole.
da9b01 No.600456
>>600452
If the Native Americans never had European contact they would still be the way they were back then to this very day.
ecb60b No.600457
>>600456
I guess that explains why despite having no taxation whatsoever actually keeping them down they didn't become champions of American industries.
f219dc No.600458
>>600445
>>600452
>>600425
Japan or even China were never under developed.
Japan had chosen full isolation as a way to preserve a way of life and is literally the only country that managed to tell colonizers to fuck off in those days, because the Japanese state was real, properly developed and organized.
China suffered near constant internal strife for at least a century that only stabilized in the 1980's and tremendously impaired it's regular development.
They can catch up because there was a political factor impairing their development, not a social, economical or geographical one which are insurmountable.
China/Russia are developing (in fact only fixing itself up), India, Kenya or Saudia Arabia aren't.
54b25f No.600460
b98fc1 No.600526
>>600458
> the Japanese state was real, properly developed and organized.
Japan literally had a revolution right before they modernized.
ae4fe6 No.600558
>>600526
Reforms with a few disgruntled losers being butthurt and then put down by the government, not a revolution.
ae4fe6 No.600560
>>600404
>Why are Russians so poor? Serious question.
For the same reason apefreak is so poor. It's full of dumb, primitive, violent, criminal, corrupt people. Russians are rather dumb and violent by nature, but put them nearly a century under judeo-bolshevist rule, and they become much worse.
0c82cf No.600568
>>600404
Trade with the rest of the world is slow due to poor port/airport infrastructure. That's why they're putting everything they have into oil, making a pipeline is RIDICULOUSLY cheaper than making a set of ports and oil tanker fleet.
Also Russia has bad internal infrastructure, which prevents it from having a strong internal economy.
tl;dr infrastructure
As to why the infrastructure is bad, it is a mix of several things:
1. Main thing is climate. Canada has shit infrastructure as well, which is why 95% of us live next to the US border like a fucking limpet parasite on a shark. Russia has the same climate but lacks such neighbors it can attach to, so they're actually forced to build all over their country not just on the 10 miles around their border. This is a bit hard.
2. In terms of how much of their country they developed, they are similar to American Wild West, when the railroads were being built. Their country was only unified around 1900, think of that as the 1600 equivalent of American colonization. This is 300 years behind the rest of us, so in 2017 it is like 1717 for them. Yes they have planes jets and cars, I'm not talking about their technology, just development. There are regions the size of Texas in Russia unexplored by satellite or human. The few satellites that can travel in such wild orbits actually can only take low res or oblique photography, which isn't enough to identify places. Canada had a similar problem, we actually had to use aircraft to manually take photographs for mapping.
3. Political history. Two world wars and dozens of regional conflicts prevented any mass infrastructure projects like America had in the cowboy days. Internal depressions, recessions and communism itself basically set Russia back 100 years in every respect. For example their economy was on pause ever since the Tsars died (1917?), and only started serious growth around 2007…. when the recession stopped that for another decade.
ebcc9c No.602326
>>600342
I don’t have anything against Indian people, I had two Indian roommates in grad school and yes they were awkward and smelly as fuck.
That being said, I’m convinced that pops have never had an original thought ever in history. Ever.
They cheat and plagiarize so much it is a natural part of their culture. They are really good IT workers because they are great at following instructions; they make good doctors too because they can memorize like little poo computers.
With this in mind I can’t see poos adapting on a battlefield in a war.
It will be hilarious to watch.
00e786 No.602342
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>>600568
>There are regions the size of Texas in Russia unexplored by satellite or human.
They probably knew for what purpose the titanium they sold to the U.S. was after all…
3ea9e7 No.602352
>>600267
>How bad would a war between China and India be?
For Adidas and Nike? Or for who?
ca69ce No.602363
>>600414
If they're underdeveloped, so are we. But we managed to recover a lot faster and a lot smoother, getting a stable and growing economy and we're not even relying on EU funds. Maybe that happened because we didn't decide to pick fights only 15 years after being destroyed and LARP as a superpower as soon as possible, when the EU and US could destroy your economy for 2 years by signing a piece of paper.
If Russia didn't have shitty leadership and kleptocrat after kleptocrat in power then they'd be equals or only slightly worse with other countries that became independent after the collapse. Unfortunate story, because I like the Russians. The ones that aren't vatnik commie sympathizer subhumans, at least.
ae06f1 No.602366
>>600383
The shitskins can't even hold themselves back from raping and defrauding the people that so naively and generously took them in. They will chimp out and it'll be hilarious.
edd0c4 No.602369
>>600418
The meme about muh developed russcuck empire is being forced by modern Tsarist stormfags like pic related. In reality numbers were pretty much heartbreaking. For example, only 1 person in 5 was literate then and you bet your ass fair share of those people were Germans, Jews etc. Sage for offtopic.
0c82cf No.602394
>>602363
>so are we.
Estonia was never as bad off as Russia. As a border SSR and a major port in the Soviet union, you guys received disproportionate funding. St. Petersburg actually enjoyed the same, which is why its now full of billionaires and is ridiculously wealthy.
>we're not even relying on EU funds
This is bullshit. EU regularly gives you low interest loans for over 20 years. Also Sweden loaned the baltics like 20% of its gdp, and their government had to cover debt losses, and then they stabilized your currency by swapping $1.1 billion of its own kronor with your kroons. You've received "angel" investments from many other countries including america, and though the sums seem small its only because Estonian economy is $20 billion GDP.
To put this in perspective, it would be like Russia receiving a 50 billion dollar cheque in 2008.
>Maybe that happened because we didn't decide to pick fights
You pick individual fights. Entering into Estonia is such a bad experience that EU companies (and Russian) don't want to send their workers there, which is why most investment is over the wire, financials and such.
dcfa71 No.602395
>China attacks India
>India shits itself not out of fear but because that's what India does
>Chinese computers begin failing
>they have to call tech support because nobody can computer
>only Indians know how to fix Chinese computers
>they either refuse to help or resort to sabotage
>China collapses on itself before operations even begin
Wasn't China laughed out of Vietnam when they tried invading?
0c82cf No.602396
>>602369
Actually most of them were Baltics and Finland, because literacy was mandatory by law in the Swedish empire due to protestantism. Orthodoxy doesn't care if someone is illiterate, the entire point of the Orthodox liturgy is to bring someone who can't read closer to God's word as he intended.
In terms of relative economic and personal freedom, as well as general prosperity compared to neighboring countries, it was far better off in the Russian empire than in the Soviet union. I think someone whose country was created from thin air by the Russian empire should probably not speak so harshly about it… even if subsequent communist dictators added a lot to it.
edd0c4 No.602399
>>602394
>>602396
>Estonia was never as bad off as Russia
Estonian GDP per capita in 1993 - 1151 USD, russcuck GDP per capita in 1993 - 1330 USD. Literally the very first words of a fucking leaf are utter bullshit, what a surprise! Daily reminder that leafs are no people and they produce nothing but an autistic screeching.
0c82cf No.602403
>>602399
lol every time someone gets BTFO in an argument by a leaf, they gotta fall back to the overused flag meme.
In the last 20 years Russian GDP per capita went from 5000 USD to 10000 USD, a 2x increase.
In the last 20 years Estonian GDP per capita went from 9000 USD to 19000 USD, a 2.1x increase.
To say they had a similar start would be to lie.
To say that Estonia did somehow impressively better in the interim would be to lie, the massive internationalist sanctions barely slowed Russia down.
And just to drive your butthurt into orbit … Ukraine went from 1700USD to 3000USD per capita in the same period, a 1.7x increase.
ae4fe6 No.602404
>>602395
to be fair, that was like 40 years ago. and the vietnamese are ridiculously tough people. they kicked out everyone who wanted to conquer them. the japanese, the french, the americans, the chinese - everyone got a can of whoopass. it's funny how the mutts pretend they didn't embarass themselves and lost the vietnam war though.
bfb450 No.602406
>>602399
>Daily reminder that leafs are no people and they produce nothing but an autistic screeching.
Takes one to know one, doesn't it ukrop? :)
dcfa71 No.602407
>>602404
>it's funny how the mutts pretend they didn't embarass themselves and lost the vietnam war though
It's what happens when you don't actually go into enemy territory and lose on the PR front.
ca69ce No.602411
>>602394
Are you the same fucking RIDleaF that was here a year or two ago? Jesus Christ.
>You pick individual fights. Entering into Estonia is such a bad experience that EU companies (and Russian) don't want to send their workers there, which is why most investment is over the wire, financials and such.
What the fuck is this supposed to mean? Most retarded RIDF disinfo I have ever seen. I'm sure that entering Moscow after the collapse would be a stellar, tourist friendly experience. Nordic companies invested into here as fast as possible, that's the reason why SEB and Swedbank, two Swedish banks are the biggest here. It was the wild god damn west during the early 90s, as it was in every other ex commie country but getting closer to the new millennium it changed fast.
>>602403
>In the last 20 years Russian GDP per capita went from 5000 USD to 10000 USD, a 2x increase.
>In the last 20 years Estonian GDP per capita went from 9000 USD to 19000 USD, a 2.1x increase.
<Maybe that happened because we didn't decide to pick fights only 15 years after being destroyed and LARP as a superpower as soon as possible, when the EU and US could destroy your economy for 2 years by signing a piece of paper.
0c82cf No.602421
>>602411
I'm familiar with geopolitics and despise people who aren't, yet speak as if they are. Also for some reason standard troll >>600404 this thread turned into a Russia hatefest, I'd get on someone's ass if they tried to do the same to anyplace else. Ask any brit that tries shitting on argentina.
<so are we
>5000 vs 9000 start
<But we managed to recover a lot faster
>0.1x faster
<we're not even relying on EU funds
>outright lie
<because we didn't decide to pick fights
<What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
It means despite pretty stellar port facilities and all the investment in the world, foreign companies still have trouble moving physical objects and people through Estonian borders, because your border police have down syndrome.
https://news.postimees.ee/3481023/russian-it-firm-says-expansion-into-estonia-not-worth-wasting-the-effort-money-time
edd0c4 No.602423
>>602403
>every time someone gets BTFO in an argument by a leaf
Are you legitimately retarded? Your very first words were lie and I pointed at it with official data. If I'd have nothing better to waste my free time at I'd disprove the rest of your bullshit, but since you were kind enough to start lying from the beginning we all may simply use inductive reasoning and post your well-earned leaf memes.
0c82cf No.602427
>>602423
Go use your important free time on shooting yourself in the foot so you can escape conscription.
611278 No.602436
>>602421
>>5000 vs 9000 start
start
<the USSR collapsed in 1998, or 20 years ago
???
>It means despite pretty stellar port facilities and all the investment in the world, foreign companies still have trouble moving physical objects and people through Estonian borders, because your border police have down syndrome.
The russian border is one of fentanyl. Whatever details our border control has on that problem they definitely are not sharing. Not that I think anyone gives a fuck about some random shitware company.
4b5723 No.602442
>>602363
>But we managed to recover a lot faster and a lot smoother, getting a stable and growing economy and we're not even relying on EU funds.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
At some point 1/3 of your yearly GPD was EU subsides for 20 years…
You read that correctly not 1/3 of your yearly state budget (like Poland).
1/3 of the GPD.
In direct CASH injection mostly from France, NL and Germoney.
Even today the EU spends at least 1B € yearly in Estonia just out of the agricultural subsides and policy budget (special projects being out the yearly budget, it's hard to tell but in 5 years 2007-13 you got 1B € more for infrastructure).
Knowing that on last count there is only 1,319,133 living in Estonia. That mean that just that on average from 2007 to 2013 the EU subsided Estonia at basically 1000€ per people per year.
Knowing there is only 785 352 people in Estonia in age of working that the average wage is around 13k€ a year it means that the direct money transfer from the EU budget can hire around 153 000, well above 10% of the population.
Of course that's the DIRECT money transfer, a 1 to 10 lever effect isn't far fetched given the small population and territory, 1 to 4 being a minimum really, which means that the entirety of Estonia is in fact on the EU dole…
Has is reflected by the insanity of the state budget to GPD ratio (40% and you said you didn't like communism…)
If you had economical problem ON TOP OF THAT it would mean you started from Burundi or Banglandesh level…
It's Keynesian economics at works.
Of course the minute the payment stops you will go into "free money from Western Europe withdrawal syndrome" that is currently experienced by your predecessors Spain, Greece and Portugal, but unlike them that were numerous and built upon relative solid economical bases you probably won't survive the systemic shock that's gonna follow.
So do try to enjoy it.
3e1207 No.602448
>>602442
Turns out you were right. Sorry. I guess it was either false statistics or something I misread some years ago. Although, this trend is basically universal and almost all of us are only contributing back 1/3rd that we are taking.
81e2b2 No.602460
>>602404
The viets didn't really give two shit about the Japanese given they saw them better than the frogs not to mention a bunch of IJA personnel stayed and fought the french and later the US. Militarily speaking the US did absolutely fine against the VC and NVA given they couldn't do shit other than die until the US went home in 73, funny how you think the US loses a war when they hadn't been in country for two years.
41e03f No.602477
>>602421
>foreign companies still have trouble moving physical objects and people through Estonian borders, because your border police have down syndrome.
They're probably on edge because of that one time they let foreigners in and they took all the clay.
0c82cf No.602510
>>602477
>builds port tallin out of nothing
>second largest port in baltic sea at the time
>main port the only thing bringing honest work into country in <current year>
>muh invaders
I wonder if they'll destroy the infrastructure as well, as a symbol of "occupation" and colonialism.
d5c5dc No.602512
>>602510
>I wonder if they'll destroy the infrastructure as well, as a symbol of "occupation" and colonialism.
Given that statues of John A. MacDonald are getting torn down here because of butthurt redskins, we can hardly talk.
0c82cf No.602520
>>602512
I'm not saying we're any better off, just that complete lack of historical perspective is not a good thing. For example I'd challenge the claim that soviet occupation was any worse than western occupation, at least the Soviets were honest about it.
f5a545 No.602629
>>602510
>not even trying to hide how RIDF you are
Wew. We were very prosperous when we fought off the commies and declared independence, and that prosperity would have only grown. If you consider endless amounts of concrete commieblocks "infrastructure" of course you would, """canadian""" then I guess you are right. The commies built zero fucking schools or libraries. All our notable schools and libraries were built by Baltic Germans.
Kill yourself vatnik subhuman. You are a disgrace to all Russians, and I wish that the white Russians executed your parents.
0c82cf No.602638
>>602629
>youre a disgrace to people on the other side of the planet
>people on the other side of the planet should have shot your parents
This is what a butthurt retard looks like.
41e03f No.602660
>>602510
>>602638
>mass murder and ethnic replacement is fine if they build shit they intend for themselves on the land they stole from you
Absolutely canadian
ecb60b No.602664
>>602510
>Killing off all intellectual elites, irreperably ravaging beautiful cities in mining operations, destroying and ethnicically replacing biggest cultural hubs is fine because they built pic related
Peak judaism.
03f76f No.602678
>>602510
Even dank leaf maymays are too much of a reward for you since the only thing you deserve is slow and painful death.
3133d8 No.602692
>>602678
>The last one
I like that one
b00ed0 No.602766
>>602762
>Comparing white settlers to modern canadians
0c82cf No.602945
>>602664
>intellectual elites
>muh katyyyyyn!
You really think the few edgy faggots with such low IQ that they'd support a foreign regime when their country is occupied by an enemy of that regime would be any help to Poland if they were alive? In order to drive home the stupidity of this, on the anniversary of your stupid grievance Putin killed a planefull of your (((intellectual elites)))…. and your country is currently experiencing a golden age directly because of it. It's ok, you don't have to thank him or admit all your butthurt beliefs for a century were wrong, he didn't do it for you.
0c82cf No.602946
>>602766
>sends hippies and human trash here for 50+ years
<why is canada worse now than it was before?
412de3 No.602961
Streetshitters would get BTFO almost immediately.
Even with the mountains, edge goes to the antmen. They can just send wave after wave of corpses to bridge over the Hindu Kush.
ff15c7 No.603011
>>602988
I don't see a problem with any of his points and his numbers seem right on first look.
b35fbc No.603035
>>602988
Hooktube doesn't work anymore fam, if you want to keep shekels away from Google you have to use invidio.us now. Also bully codemonkey until he adds it to the list of embed sites.
9fdf70 No.603045
>>603035
It works for me (was on mobile when posting and am now) and seems to work for Greece. I’ll check on my PC after breakfast and just embed the jewtube link if it does work.
c8c836 No.603049
>>603045
It works in that you can still play the video, but it doesn't work in the sense that you're not blocking views to jewtube anymore; hooktube just turns into a jewtube embed.
9fdf70 No.603051
>>603049
>It works in that you can still play the video, but it doesn't work in the sense that you're not blocking views to jewtube anymore
Oh. I had heard something about that a while ago, but didn’t really read the anon’s post. Thanks I’ll remember hat for the future.
ecdc87 No.603083
>>602988
>Is this at accurate?
No.
Binkov is a retard that think wikipedia is a source when it come to military power and that numbers are all that matter.
600c07 No.603084
>>603083
Assuming the numbers are accurate, is it a good analysis? If the numbers aren't accurate, how are they flawed, and what does this change imply for the outcome of the war?
ecdc87 No.603099
>>603084
>is it a good analysis?
No.
>how are they flawed
They're from wikipedia.
China holds the plateau and all the passes.
China can invade India whenever, India cannot do the opposite.
Worst the amount of infrastructure built on the plateau is completely on a different scale than India neighboring province and get only worse the further you get away from the border, meaning in the unlikely event where India could somehow pass trough the Chinese garrisons, China could reinforce them quickly, meaning that by the time the Indians have secured the worst of the mountains and are starting to move in open terrain, you would have the entire Chinese army waiting for them.
And China can always call on Pakistan and Myanmar, their allies, to let them through and pincer the Indian army whenever.
And in the case China invade India, all they have to do is invade Sikkim (which, surprise, while it's sort of an obvious rule both sides try to avoid connecting road networks, the only place with a shit load of roads going from China into into India is…) and they would literally trap 1/4 of the Indian army (India hold on Sikkim isn't exactly great, Sikkim was an Himalayan kingdom that India coup'd and "liberated" because it wanted to stay independent unlike Bhutan and Nepal) which they China can do with a minimum of forces because of where the frontier with Bangladesh is (and India crossing it casus belli for both Pakistan and Bangladesh).
So with it's "tiny" (it's still like 4 army corps for the PLA and 2 of PAP…) western garrison China and it's strategic alliances can fuck up India very badly and force India to fight on 5 (!) fronts with time working for China.
There is a reason why India wanted nukes and it's not Pakistan…
f867e5 No.603101
>>603099
How the fuck did India and Pakistan get nukes anyways?
ecdc87 No.603104
>>603101
India got them pretty much the normal way, they always had a civilian nuclear program (as far as 1944) which pretty much everyone helped them with the war with China made them took the decision to weaponize said program (which by that time was big enough to do without much issue A bombs, Israel probably helped with the design).
Pakistan got A LOT of help though. KSA bankrolled them (and is probably getting warheads from them), the US, Switzerland ("which totally doesn't have a nuclear program" t. paranoid man stockpiling weapons, ammo and precious metals in hollowed out mountains).
ecdc87 No.603105
>>603104
And obviously China is giving Pakistan designs and missiles and everything.
c0b4c4 No.603106
>>602638
>he can't refute his claim
f867e5 No.603111
>>603104
What countries might get nukes next? I would like to see third worlders glass each other. Is Burma likely to make them?
9fdf70 No.603122
>>603111 (Philippines)
>inb4 nogs make a nuke by smashing two green rocks together that they found in the designated shitting mine left by whitey
>inb4 some sperg explains u-235
722137 No.603124
>>602945
We really need to put a bullet in all of you crypto commie russiaboos
722137 No.603125
>>600414
Why was the US and Canada 2 countries that has literally no development in most of its territory before the 1800's able to overtake Russia so quickly then?
81e2b2 No.603130
>>603125
Serfdom didn't end in Russia until 186x. As in people were bound to the land being literal farmers for Boyars and such. Where as America and British North America at the time had free men running around doing whatever the fuck they wanted, many of which were literate where as the serf got beaten if he attempted to learn to read let alone learn anything more than grooming crops and doing basic shit for said boyar. Hell, Alaska was sold for pennies due to the Tzar freeing the serfs and that disaster known as Crimea.
d5c5dc No.603136
>>603122
Didn't you know? They wuz nuclear engineers n sheeit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklo
>some of the mined uranium was found to have a lower concentration of uranium-235 than expected, as if it had already been in a reactor. Geologists found that it had been in a reactor before—two billion years ago.
Of course, whitey doesn't even acknowledge the African kangdoms from that long ago, so they try to explain it away as a natural process.
ecdc87 No.603158
>>603125
> 2 countries that has literally no development in most of its territory before the 1800's
And Russia was what at the time?
Oh yeah a gigantic country with literally no development in most of it's territory. And still is.
Russia in 1800 had less Russians than France had french! Spread out on 30 times(?) the space.
53be5b No.603176
>>600267
>How bad would a war between China and India be?
It depends, China and India fought each outher previously and they signed an armistice within a month. A second war between the two could be similar. However if there is a long protracted conflict between the two things could get bloody very quickly. Both countries militaries rely on the old doctrine of hoping your army has more men then the enemy has bullies. With both countries populations over one billion people human waves would likely be a popular tactic. Also the border regions between the two is the fucking Himalayas. China would win because it’s more industrialized and can role out massive amounts of artilitary, tanks, plains, and missiles. India can’t. But it would be a costly victory millions of Chinese soldiers would likely die in the war. The “Communist Hardliners” (people who dislike Deng’s market reforms) would likely use this opportunity to try and stage a coup which could lead to civil war.
>>600267
>Will the Pakis back China
Yes, almost all of the infrastructure in Pakistan is owned by either the Chinese Government or Chinese Companies, the Pakis have no choice, but to back China.
53be5b No.603178
>>600316
China stopped funding these groups after Mao died. The Chinese Government while officially communist is very pragmatic. Funding Communists in India dons’t help them, at least right now. Most of these insurgents use self-made guns, guns stolen from the military or old guns from the British Raj.
53be5b No.603182
>>600398
>and now we can only watch some commie kurds killing kebabs in the mountains.
It’s better than nothing.
53be5b No.603187
>>602629
>All our notable schools and libraries were built by Baltic Germans.
So you admit that nothing in your country was built by your people.
53be5b No.603194
>>603111
Iran, now that the Iran deal is dead there free to get Nukes, and they’ll likely get deigns from China, DPRK, and Russia
Burma, the whole world is hatting them except the DPRK because they properly deal with Muslims there, they will likely buy designs from the DPRK
Saudi Arabia, if Iran ever gets Nukes, Saudi Arabia will want them as well, America will likely give them the warheads for free
South Africa, they used to have Nukes during apartheid, until Mandela scrapped them because he’s a pacifist, so they could easily get them again. Also the land appropriation is making South Africa diplomatically isolated, and diplomatically isolated nations are the ones who try to get Nukes.
ff7549 No.603197
>>603194
Mandela was no pacifist. He scrapped them so whites couldn't pull a Samson option once the genocide began
c26b55 No.603198
>>603194
>now that the Iran deal is dead there free to get Nukes, and they’ll likely get deigns from China, DPRK, and Russia
Russia sure fucking doesn't want Iran to have nukes and neither NK or China have any relations with them that I'm aware of. Russia won't even sell Iran modern SAMs.
>Saudi Arabia, if Iran ever gets Nukes, Saudi Arabia will want them as well, America will likely give them the warheads for free
Saudi Arabia was a major investor in the Pakistani nuclear program. They don't need American nukes.
53be5b No.603202
>>603198
>Russia sure fucking doesn't want Iran to have nukes and neither NK or China have any relations with them that I'm aware of. Russia won't even sell Iran modern SAMs.
As the Us and the EU put more and more sanction on Russia, Russia’s relations with countries like Iran grow warmer and warmer.
c26b55 No.603204
>>603202
There's a big fucking gap between "well I guess we have to like them as more than a convenient client state" and "let's provide them with nuclear weapons". The US didn't even give the UK access the results of the Manhattan Project.
53be5b No.603214
>>603204
Iran has the ability to develop nukes on there own. Russia would just speed up the process. Which they would due because they need Iranian resources. Russia not giving Iran templates would just slow down the inedible, and unessicarly damage there relations. Meanwhile selling plans to them could give Russia desperately needed capital influx.
9fdf70 No.603221
>>603182
How do communist cheese curd rebels get access to AK suppressors?
9fdf70 No.603226
>>603214
>Which they would due
>due
I can forgive there and their, but Jesus. I hope that’s he spergook on a VPN, that niggered level of English is honestly impressive.
Sage for sperging over spelling
9fdf70 No.603227
>>603214
>slow down the inedible
How did I miss this? I actually keked our loud, thanks strelok.
Sage again
53be5b No.603322
>>603221
Multiple Ways
>Black market
>Manufactring them themselves (they control Raqqa and Manbij, two cities with large amounts of industry for the region)
>Russia gives them it because Russia hates Turkey and ISIS and the Kurds also hate Turkey and ISIS
>America gives them it because America hates ISIS and the Kurds hate ISIS
ffebf4 No.603341
>>603221
Because the kurds have been supported for 60 years by Russia but somehow the US thinks it has changed overnight?
9fdf70 No.603356
>>603322 (checked)
>America hates ISIS
I thought America and Israel were allies?
>Black market
>Manufactring them themselves
Are suppressors not as uncommon/expensive as I think they are? They’re entirely illegal here so I have no experience with them besides an empty water bottle I stuffed with toilet paper and taped to my 10/22 once but I always figured they were only really used by certain missions by special forces due to cost. Or is it more so because there’s no practical reason to use them 99% of the time?
>>603341
Again, I would think if you are supplying a group of rebel commie shitskins there would be no need to send them suppressors even if I am wrong about costs, I can’t imagine many situations in mountain guerilla fighting when they would be useful. But again I have 0 experience with actual combat or suppressors.
53be5b No.603359
>>603356
>Again, I would think if you are supplying a group of rebel commie shitskins there would be no need to send them suppressors even if I am wrong about costs, I can’t imagine many situations in mountain guerilla fighting when they would be useful. But again I have 0 experience with actual combat or suppressors.
They aren’t useful for standard combat, but the typeof Guerrilla combat the Kurds are doing in Afrin is assassinating commanders of enemy forces. So they’ll need suppressors. They also shoot random Turkish soldiers, but because they all have suppressors they have no reason not to use them.
c27014 No.603360
>>603356
>Are suppressors not as uncommon/expensive as I think they are?
Decent suppressors that aren't throwaway pieces are easy to make but aren't durable. If you can make a gun, you can make a suppressor.
>Or is it more so because there’s no practical reason to use them 99% of the time?
Mostly this. Not really useful for the average grunt in a large military, but very useful for insurgents and non-state forces that need to keep a lower profile. The problem is that most rifle ammo still makes a supersonic crack sound as well, so its really more to muffle the origin of the sound then to hide the sound of the round itself. They might become a standard piece of kit if things like Shotspotter start proliferating.
f867e5 No.603423
>>603360
>shotspotter
lmao just throw those impact sensitive firecrackers in the road for cars to run over and make the police check out dozens of false alarms a day
f867e5 No.603424
>>603423
*place, don't throw them or they'll go off
593c14 No.604225
>>603106
"someone should kill you" isn't a point.
>>603124
>crypto commie russiaboos
Nigger Russia and PRC are more capitalist than any country in the West, including America, and excluding Switzerland.
Delusional fuck.
f4f5fa No.604238
>>604225
>Russia and PRC are more capitalist than any country in the West
https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/
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593c14 No.604246
>>604238
Posting stale memes also isn't a point.
>forbes
>best countries for business
A city that gives subsidies to a business is very good for that business, but is still more communistic than a city that doesn't.
>UK best for business
>GDP growth 1.8%
That's pathetic. And their per capita GDP growth rate is −0.29%. This is the best country in the world, the country that loses 0.28% of its business every year.
Meanwhile China has a 10% per capita GDP growth rate.
Delusional.
1add84 No.604262
>>604246
>Meanwhile China has a 10% per capita GDP growth rate.
Because if they stop building empty cities for even a single second their anthill will collapse
593c14 No.604266
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>604262
I'm not saying it's all healthy growth, it's probably 90% industrial/real estate bubble. But it's undeniably better for business, because western economy is also at least 40% bubble it's just a debt/stock bubble. Since introduction of worldwide fiat currency, every economy is technically a bubble.
You'd have to list countries by % of money backed by gold or property, a list of countries by external debt, a list of countries by GDP per capita growth, and then weed out all the outliers like Nigeria, and then do some kind of factor analysis of that incorporates all that over a 10 or 20 year period of time…. It's very difficult to say which country is doing the best economically.
But that's neither here nor there. I just think that thinking the West is capitalist is completely pants on head retarded. Or thinking that Russia isn't capitalist… nigga they're hardcore 1890s capitalists.
7ede26 No.604267
>>604253
>bitches about stale memes, yet posts jewish ancap man
f4f5fa No.604270
>>604246
>Posting stale memes also isn't a point.
I posted link to the most complex and sane business country rating from the iconic magazine for businessmen. It counts property rights, innovation, taxes, technology, corruption, infrastructure, market size, political risk, quality of life, workforce, freedom (personal, trade and monetary), red tape and investor protection. Your "hurr durr muh 10% per year" is no argument at all - we've experienced 12,1% real GDP growth in 2004 thanks to the low base and that proves pretty much nothing since only objective ratings like that matter. Please be so kind to kill yourself and make /k/ a better place.
593c14 No.604283
>>604270
>I posted link to the most complex and sane business country rating from the iconic magazine for businessmen.
Which I accepted from you, addressed and refuted. You can argue that I didn't refute it effectively but to argue that I didn't even accept or ADDRESS it is kind of fucking weak.
>It counts property rights, innovation, taxes, technology, corruption, infrastructure, market size, political risk, quality of life, workforce, freedom (personal, trade and monetary), red tape and investor protection.
And all of that are simply factors of something called "success", which is more efficiently characterized by per capita GDP growth. Especially when that growth is averaged over five or ten years.
>we've experienced 12,1% real GDP growth in 2004
Which is why this is a multi year average, to avoid such outliers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28real%29_per_capita_growth_rate
But really even if it wasn't, why would UK economy be CONTRACTING in a five year average if it was even an average place to do business, much less THE NUMBER FUCKING ONE IN THE WORLD?
897347 No.605000
>>600267
It would probably be over the Chinese replicating the Dam building projects they have done to the Mekong to the Indian rivers, resulting in a war to break up all the dams. Possibly nuclear war.
897347 No.605001
>>600356
>>North Korea conquers South Korea after the local US fleets fuck off to the Mesoamerican theatre of operations
South Korea would unironically shitwreck North Korea even after getting nuked in the face. They proceed to immediately collapse as neither has enough left over to rule the ashes.
897347 No.605004
>>600404
Corruption. Sheer venal corruption halted most entrepreneurial endeavors and halted foreign investment. The worst thing Ruskies ever did was get rid of the gulags. 2nd worst thing they ever did was not bring them back. They needed a massive oruge sith blood running in the streets followed up by effective law enforcement.
If Russia had managed to pull shit together like Belarus did, and managed to sort itself out before 2000, it would have been another economic miracle even with the smaller population.
But the best they were able to do was Putin.
897347 No.605005
>>600452
The only people in the area who compare are the Maoris.
b35fbc No.605006
>>604270
>the eternal Ukrainian
897347 No.605009
>>602369
They were in the process of development at the time before the Tard Czar took the reigns
924116 No.608283
>>600267
no winners thats for sure
4cea07 No.611469
>>600267
>How bad would a war between China and India be
China would be in deep shit
ab0d69 No.611500
>>600409
Their economy plummeted the second capitalism came, in communism - only up and up.
3f625f No.611501
316d6b No.611556
>>605009
>8/24
>>608283
>9/14
>>611469
>9/27
Back to page 10.
7ede26 No.611723
>>611500
>>611501
>mismanages economy for 70 years
>collapses
>THIS IS CAPITALISMS FAULT
0be05b No.612061
I'll just leave this here.
e21fb1 No.612070
>>612061
He looks like he's about to pwn some noobs in his local paintball range
893cc4 No.612072
>>612061
>unidentified brown substance on his forearms
b00ed0 No.612098
>>612065
Wow, a magazine fed double barrel assault shotgun? I'm surprised that they have not invaded us yet! Praise be to India for their infinite mercy/
ff1e7f No.612107
I find the INSAS to be aesthetically pleasing and would like to own one. The only other rifle I desire more is the Howa Type 64.
ff1e7f No.612129
>>612117
Oh I'll admit they're total shit. Like I said I just find them very aesthetically pleasing. The rarity factor also adds quite a bit to it as good luck getting one in the US. It was pure 'tism on the part of India to not just buy some fucking AK's in the first place or ask the US to send them a bunch of M16's.
ae06f1 No.612141
>>612129
It's just an AK in .308 you can make your own and it'll be higher quality
81e2b2 No.612169
>>612141
>.308
The INSAS is in .223
ae06f1 No.612188
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>>612169
I know that, it's been a long day and I'm fighting a cold
ae06f1 No.612189
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>612169
>>612188
I was thinking of this when I posted
b00ed0 No.612224
>>612189
Why can't the poos just buy AK's?
ae06f1 No.612225
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>612224
They have to make and design it themselves instead of buying it or the tooling from some white devils. Just look at the JVPC; the street shitters could've used the 5.7x28 or the 4.6x30, but they had to come up with their own shitty 5.56x30.
0561d6 No.612226
>>602510
Hey Cynthia, I think this is the "Russian" bot that keeps supporting Russia online.
d3b21f No.612255
>>612226
>muh Russia
>muh bewmur
Go back to Reddit.
8c809a No.612319
>>612224
>Why can't the poos just buy AK's?
That's what they do, indian soldiers on photo-shoot have INSAS, indian soldiers on operations have AKMs, especially infantry heavy units.
They actually bought a license to make AK-103 (AKMM) recently.
b00ed0 No.612321
>>612319
Ah, that makes sense.