QBZ-95 and other bullpups

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QBZ-95 and other bullpups Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 14:15:32 3f3f89 No.591884

Let's discuss this Chinese bullpup. It's using modified AK mechanism to function, making it much less error prone than other bullpups. It's also widely deployed. Second pic compares Canadian export version to rifle with about same barrel length. B version fixed many things of A version, most notably moving fire selector from stock to where it should above trigger.

In my opinion from what I have studied, bullpups are the way forward as Chinese army has standardized over QBZ not only for infantry, but for tank crews and urban commandos since it's so compact. Having never shot bullpup myself, what does /k/ think of them? Why aren't they used more widely? Having been to army, urban combat in particular would be a lot easier since holding normal assault rifle in attack position over five minutes gets very taxing due to its front-heavy weight.

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 14:45:29 ad1c1e No.591887

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>>591884

The only real problem with them is that most bullpups are a normal rifle cramed together, and so their controls and trigger system are awful. The best bullpups so far were made by Polish designers in Britain who reverse-engineered German weapons, because they were bold enough to rebuild them as bullpups. Vid related seems to be better than anything else designed in the last 60 years.

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 14:51:07 877c0a No.591890

>>591884

They're replacing them with a standard looking rifle, as in it turns out when you don't starve your people completely they kinda outgrow the things you built for them when they were smaller. Also the triggers on them are to the point of spongy they just aren't fun.

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 14:55:26 1559c0 No.591892

A modern carbine is not really big enough to warrant replacing with a bullpup. There may be some applications, like for tank crews but for the average soldier a standard rifle would be better.

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 15:07:30 877c0a No.591894

>>591890

Oh and to expand on this particular gun, I find a Browning Hi-Power with the stock on it far more comfortable to use than that thing.

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 19:13:18 419218 No.591938

tavor is the best bullpup right now it seems nice trigger and ttrigger pack upgrades and battle tested just they are kind of pricy ie 18,00

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 19:44:01 ef2a50 No.591945

>>591884

>It's using modified AK mechanism to function, making it much less error prone than other bullpups

Haha, no

>>591938

Hi MAC, when are the pistol gauntlet tests continuing?

Strelok 07/08/18 (Sun) 19:51:15 419218 No.591949

>>591945

coming soon right now tho were getting a tad distracted by these cool ass like gauntlets that extend a little blade perfect for all kinds of spec ops tacticool use

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 06:08:10 169668 No.592071

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>>591884

Leaf here, I like it but it was definitely made with ease, speed and economy of manufacturing in mind. It's Light, short, slim, reliable, pretty accurate, easy to strip and clean.

But the sights are atrocious, the ergos are an afterthought, and modularity clearly ranked below ergos as a priority.

The trigger is honestly inoffensive. The trigger pull has no "break" but it is light and smooth and then the rifle just goes off at some point. It's weird but I wouldn't say it's bad.

>Why aren't they used more widely?

Bullpups as an individual weapon have a lot of pros, but at the end of the day, they will be more expensive than a standard configuration rifle, and complicates training and logistics with left handed shooters. From a big picture standpoint they can be unappealing.

>>591890

>They're replacing them with a standard looking rifle

I'll believe it when I see it. Like the US, the PLA has run more than one "QBZ replacement trial" program in the last decade and none of them have stuck. The QBZ meanwhile is going through another upgrade program to make them compatible with off-the-shelf optics.

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 06:11:06 6643e2 No.592072

Chink guns suck dick ass shit, in chink movies, you never see them use QBZ.

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 06:41:53 877c0a No.592078

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>>592071

QBZ-03 has been phasing out the 95, given how the chinks are it'll be another decade before they all get it.

>>592072

u wot m8

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 06:57:05 169668 No.592088

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>>592078

>QBZ-03 has been phasing out the 95

Except it hasn't, it was a rifle made pretty much exclusively for some side branches, like the Police and marines, and you don't even see them using it that much.

As the QBZ-03 came out in '03, and The updated QBZ-95-1 came out in 2010, and the QBZ-95-1 is what PLA troops seen abroad are issued, I really don't think the 03 is replacing anything.

Will mystery new rifle that no one has even seen yet replace both? Who knows? Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 07:02:14 6643e2 No.592090

>>592078

I watch Operation mekong, didn't see a single QBZ-03.

It's a shitgun.

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 14:33:48 3f3f89 No.592144

Combining bullpup design with battle rifle cartridge would be awesome. What kind of loading construct could support that?

>>592071

>I like it but it was definitely made with ease, speed and economy of manufacturing in mind. It's Light, short, slim, reliable, pretty accurate, easy to strip and clean.

As expected from mass-produced rifle meant for wide-spread military deployment with AK-like mechanism. One of the reasons I'm interested in this is precisely because of that mechanism, it's intimately familiar, and that it's military rifle. I'm suspicious of anything that isn't proven in service, would never put money on such. Done any tests how much soot it can take in gas pipe and lock before malfunctioning?

>The trigger pull has no "break" but it is light and smooth and then the rifle just goes off at some point. It's weird but I wouldn't say it's bad.

Sounds like shotgun trigger.

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 15:38:43 bdbc6b No.592149

>>592144

my shotgun has a pretty defined break

>>592090

ur a shitgun chink guns are pretty gr8 for functionality

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 16:16:38 f6da7c No.592155

QBZ-95 is best raifu.

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 16:23:42 9cf3c6 No.592157

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>>592155

>QBZ-95 is best raifu.

yes

Strelok 07/09/18 (Mon) 17:45:48 169668 No.592168

>>592144

Mine personally is at 1200 rounds without cleaning, another guy had his at 5000, I think, before he decided that was good enough. His is only showing minimal signs of wear. They seem pretty solid.

The only downside is the linear hammer, I think. If you run the rifle dry as a bone, there's a minute delay between trigger pull and shot, you can just BARELY feel it.

If you grease the rails like an AK though, everything is smooth as glass and the delay is gone.

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 00:03:18 fbf967 No.592225

>>592155

>>592157

>chink guns

>raifus

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 02:03:15 169668 No.592271

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>>592225

y e s

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 02:25:20 f6da7c No.592278

>>592225

>Didn't debut as a massive trainwreck due to improper ammo with powder it was not designed to clear

>Didn't debut as an overhyped poster kid paraded to be the main weapon of every nation only to be used in a few skirmishes and then forgotten soon afterwards

>Didn't debut with any major design flaws

>Isn't a kikegun

>Isn't a literally who gun that got soon replaced by HKshit

>Has multiple variants to represent an entire nation's army

It's a shame that it was made by China but she's still a good girl.

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 03:38:11 fbf967 No.592300

>>592278

it's just a cuckpup with a meme round. chinks have made much better guns anyway, my dad's MAK 90 is still in great condition.

>>592271

get out of my country 张伟 :^)

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 04:34:56 f6da7c No.592313

>>592300

>My dad's AK ripoff is still in great condition

I'm talking indigenous design here.

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 04:39:19 fbf967 No.592315

>>592313

stupid gaijin, gunpowder is an indigenous design to china

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 05:56:50 877c0a No.592334

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>>592300

Export models are in 5.56. They don't export their meme round.

>>592315

>stupid gaijin

>china

何？

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 11:14:51 9cf3c6 No.592374

>>592315

Protip, the outsider for chinese is called "Gwailo"

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 11:23:58 35cde0 No.592377

>>591884

Isn’t China themselves moving away from bullpups?

Strelok 07/10/18 (Tue) 16:42:51 07352a No.592460

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>>592157

>big tits

>bullpup

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 03:05:38 3f3f89 No.592872

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>>592377

No, see >>592088

Their entire standing army is on QBZ95 by now afaik and AK's being phased out due to caliber incompatibility. Pic is new 9mm QBZ-like 9mm variant for police so they are doubling down on it if anything.

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 03:26:49 a873ff No.592879

>>592157

>>592271

What's with this shit character design and art?

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 15:22:17 07352a No.593034

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>>592879

Here we go again.

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 15:33:14 073932 No.593044

>>593034

Enjoy the thread: >>537406

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 18:02:00 169668 No.593084

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>>592879

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 19:36:03 c6de16 No.593109

>>593084

That optic is really far forward.

Strelok 07/12/18 (Thu) 20:38:40 e8a481 No.593130

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>>593109

You say?

Strelok 07/13/18 (Fri) 00:44:53 6da9af No.593189

>>593130

So…. Is the girl really tiny or is the gun very big?

Strelok 07/13/18 (Fri) 00:49:22 eedea2 No.593191

>>593189

Sponsors of competition shooting only take tiny girls.

Strelok 07/13/18 (Fri) 00:56:25 b6ecc5 No.593196

>bullpoops

Why?

Strelok 07/13/18 (Fri) 00:57:45 6643e2 No.593197

>>593084

416 is cute! Cute!

Strelok 07/14/18 (Sat) 13:46:28 b26336 No.593749

>>593084

Why the fuck is the eotech that far up the gun?

Strelok 07/14/18 (Sat) 16:52:57 07352a No.593783

>>593749

Is pretty much the same as an ak that only had rails on the handgaurd. My friend had an sks and didn’t want to fudd it up too bad so he got a rail replacement for the gas tube and put a red dot on it. It’s really not that hard to see, and the distance from your eye to the sight would be even shorter on an 416/AR.