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There's no discharge in the war!

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6e5ec0 No.581016

Crucial supply and sensor aircraft which form the backbone of the military are pegged extremely vulnerable to adversary surface to air missiles.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-navy-fears-russia-china-could-exploit-its-achilles-heel-25884

>Earlier this month, the U.S. Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) began soliciting bids from defense firms for new ways to protect “wide body” planes like the Lockheed C-130 Hercules. The wide body designation would also include planes derived from civilian aircraft, such as Air Force planes like the future Boeing KC-46 Pegasus aerial refueling airplane. In fact, the Request for Information—as the official solicitation is called—singles out the McDonnell Douglas DC-10 as one of the wide body planes it is interested in protecting. The Air Force is the only service that operates a plane based on the DC-10. Other planes that could fit this description include the E-6B airborne command and P-8 maritime patrol aircraft.

>NAVAIR is specifically interested in ideas to implement its Hard Kill Self Protection Countermeasure System (HKSPCS) concept. This envisions the planes themselves—or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) escorts—carrying interceptors to destroy missile threats. It proposes three potential options for vendors. As Flight Global explains:

>The first option calls for an internally mounted system with a total weight not exceeding about 1,040kg (2,300lb). The second option would be a pod mounted system weighing from 385-1,313kg and sized to kill four to 10 incoming missiles, factoring in the interceptor’s calculated probability of kill.

>The final option would be to have UAVs escort the planes and have the drones equipped with interceptors to destroy the incoming missiles.

>Some of the adversary missiles the HKSPCS concept is being designed to defeat were recently profiled in an article in Bloomberg News. “Some of China’s biggest strides are coming in air-to-air missiles, the weapons that for one or two million dollars can destroy a $150 million aircraft,” the article noted. “That’s a cost efficient way of trying to level the playing field with the U.S.”

c555d1 No.581017

>>581016

/k/ CALLED ME CRAZY WHEN I SUGGESTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT!


c27809 No.581020

So instead, why couldn't you make the drone carry the fuel?


6e5ec0 No.581021

>>581017

You're still crazy.

Crazy like a fox.

>>581020

But then the enemy can destroy your entire regional fuel supply with a couple of EWAR trucks.


bb4798 No.581023

See, this is why all this crap about AR-15's is so annoying. The Pentagon ain't sweating "assault rifles". But homebrew drones? Yep, they're sweating that one.


c27809 No.581026


edbc64 No.581030

>>581026

They're a force modifier on a scale that no rifle can hope to match. Rifles are basically the minimum price of entry for modern combat, but even a simple recon drone (literally just an over the counter civilian quadcopter) would turn one guy with a rifle into something that can (even if only hypothetically) take on and cause serious casualties in a platoon strength force. Now imagine platoons of motivated, disciplined, and organised insurgents using the same advantages. Then consider what the average /k/ommando can cook up in a design thread involving drones OK, so it's 90% kamikaze bombs, but that's still a huge step up from IEDs.


888801 No.581034

>>581016

>big, slow aircraft are easy to shoot at

How much DoD gave for this?


c555d1 No.581036

Btw weren't burgers developing laser point active defenses for that purpose?

What happened to that?


6af50a No.581048

>>581036

HELLADS turned out to have wildly unrealistic power-to-weight requirements, so we scrapped it and started over.


0bfd39 No.581050

>>581034

A bit less than they print daily, besides it was crowdfunded (^:


c555d1 No.581051

>>581048

>The High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System (HELLADS), is a Counter-RAM system under development that will use a powerful (150 kW) laser to shoot down rockets, missiles, artillery shells and mortars.

> wildly unrealistic power-to-weight requirements

That should be expected, the power source should be heavier than the country's median pilot. Why not just make one of lower power requirements that would just fuck up the sensor of at least heat-seekers.


75fa96 No.581053

>>581017

Look, just because the US Air Force is now looking into it doesn't mean it still isn't crazy or a bad idea.


75fa96 No.581055

>>581051

Because we aren't talking about heat seekers, we're talking about active radar missiles or even anti-radiation missiles against AWACS planes.


b7d29a No.581057

>>581016

No one is gonna pick up that the USAF is basically admitting that Russian/Chinese next gen missiles are gonna utterly bury the USAF in BVR?

I mean if you have to think about some kind of drone CIWS escorts for you back line, what exactly are your fighters doing???


6af50a No.581059

>>581051

We've had soft-kill lasers for decades, but they only work against IR-guided missiles and thus are totally useless for their intended role.


9e0256 No.581065

File: c1ef65d53dffea7⋯.png (275.04 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 1515005614304.png)

>>581016

>mfw thinking about Russian SAMs rendering the zogbot air force useless

Give it a few generations and eventually they'll be able to buttfuck an AWACS from space 30 seconds after it takes off.


d00a69 No.581066

File: 8b5b9b4592666ce⋯.gif (39.07 KB, 405x429, 135:143, Iwouldn'tworry.gif)

>>581057

Dodgingread: exploding S4/500s in an inane first strike option.


d7dda6 No.581067

>>581065

Wasn't the russians fucking the US over in Syria since the US got involved?

>>581057

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't the soviets have better Within visual range missles? I remember something about the Yugoslav documentary stating that.

>>581030

That's not the scary part. The scary part is that when we get incredibly high efficentcy theoretically after moving from sillicon to Gallium arsenic conductors, it becomes possible to emit high intensity lasers/waves with minimal weight. Imagine a fleet of these kamazie drones swarming a main power node or an AFB.


75fa96 No.581090

>>581067

>Wasn't the russians fucking the US over in Syria since the US got involved?

Not really. no. The only air losses due to enemy fire during the Syrian Civil War so far are 1 MQ-9 drone downed by the Syrian Air Defense Force and 1 damaged F-15 due to SPAAG (ZSU-23) fire. Russia has actually lost more aircraft in Syria than the US at 15 vs 4.


c555d1 No.581095

>>581090

>Russia has lost 15 planes to goatfuckers

How?


c27809 No.581096

>>581095

>Russia has lost 15 planes to CIAniggers

How?


c555d1 No.581099

>>581096

Have they lost any one that matters? Like any Tupolev or a Flanker/Hellduck?


75fa96 No.581101

>>581095

>>581096

To be fair most of them weren't shootdowns either. Most of them were crashes or accidents or destruction due to shelling. The only shoot down was the SU-25 shootdown earlier this year.

>>581099

They lost an Su-30 and Su-33 to accidents and 2 Su-35s to shelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War


854422 No.581103

>>581030

I think that the next major war is going to be one of crew served/larger infantry weapons (rpg's, anti-material rifles, commando mortars, gpmg's) with a major emphasis on more localized intelligence. I already see it somewhat happening in Syria. Urban combat isolates squads from one another and electronic warfare means you could be up shits creek without a paddle. If you're facing another squad the one that can throw down the most dakka will most likely win. Drones just add a new and easily accessible way for people to get more dakka.


417457 No.581108

File: e1070467d4f7403⋯.jpg (21.09 KB, 247x248, 247:248, 1435798520203.jpg)

>UCAV escorts

My dick is ready for the swarm.


fe6077 No.581117

>>581057

> if you have to think about some kind of drone CIWS escorts for you back line,

the drones are a flying sacrificial shield


b7d29a No.581145

>>581101

>They lost an Su-30 and Su-33 to accidents and 2 Su-35s to shelling.

Bullshit.

They lost a Su-24, shot down (ambushed really) by a Turkish Air force F-16 in more than dubious circumstance (the pilots are in jail for treason), November 2015.

They lost a Mig-29KUB, waited after one cable snapped on another landing and run out of fuel, November 2016.

They lost a Su-33, again cable snapped and the plane ended in the sea, December 2016.

They lost a Su-24, on take off (technical problem), October 2017.

They lost one Su-25 to a MANPAD fire, February 2018.

They lost one An-26, crash landed (literally missed the runway), March 2018.

They lost one Su-30, to a bird strike, May 2018.

That's two planes lost to hostile fire, two in carrier operations that indeed revealed there was a problem on the carrier and two in regular accident (3 with the AN-26), on an air-group engaged in a very high rate sorties, that's not bad.

To give you an idea Russia from September 30, 2015 to September 28 2017 did 96,000 air strikes on a single wing formation VS the US from August 8, 2014 to August 9, 2017 did 24,566 strike… on a at least five wing formation (probably more if you include the USN).

The mortar strike claim was spurious (basically a third of VKS planes in Syria had been destroyed) and no one ever produced any evidence to back it up (yes there was pictures of two damaged Su-24 but they might or might not have been from that incident given how light and fixable the damage was) as Russian air operations continued without changes.


4338b4 No.581154

>>581145

>su-24

One of the pilots was killed immediately, the other one is still flying. Calling BS on the rest of it, too.


14d250 No.581161

>>581103

>>581030

Drones are dakka themselves. See copters with grenades. Dakka no AR-15 can match because drones vs AR-15 is one way street fight. With AI behind the corner electronic warfare would stop been counter.


c555d1 No.581169

File: 417007f836c6317⋯.jpg (50.42 KB, 600x884, 150:221, 200 per cent mad.jpg)

>>581101

>shelling not one but two Su-35s

There's not enough enough pigshit in hell for these cowards.


b7d29a No.581191

>>581154

My list is accurate.

Also for pilot loses it's important to not that both planes that were shot down still properly survived long enough for the pilots to eject. The crewmen of the Su-24 were infamously shot at while descending (there is a video of it), then the pilot was captured and executed by Turkish paramilitaries (but the Weapon System Officer was left alone probably to tend an ambush to the CSAR team. The CSAR team lost a Mi-8 and 1 naval infantry men in the subsequent ambush but managed to get the job done anyway).

The Su-25 managed to orient the plane to crash into it's target, ejected then took potshot at militants with his Stechkin, downed two, and when out of ammo went full snackbar and blew himself up with a grenade as he was about to get captured taking a couple more of them with him… He literally managed to got the respect of Tahrir al-Sham (Al Qaeda) for it.

But goy don't forget John McCain III is a hero for being stupid enough to break his own arms, getting VIP treatment as the son of Admiral John McCain II (commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater) and actively collaborating with the Vietcongs (Songbird).

The crews of the MiG-29K and Su-33 also ejected to safety.

The others died (as is usual in crashes in take-off/landing).

For helicopters Russia lost the aforementioned Mi-8, another one that was hoping village to village doing peace mediation giving out aid and whatnot, and probably a Mi-24 (probably because it's tail rotor blew up during a fight… which isn't entirely unheard as a technical failure, and also probably because it's unclear whom the helicopter belonged, the Russian MoD said it was a Syrian one with a Russian crew scheduled for tests after repairs pressed into combat service during an emergency) to hostile fire.

All the other they lost in non-hostile action (a Mi-28 had it's classic engine stall, a Ka-52 ate a mountain, a Mi-35 hit power lines, etc…).

Again I must stress that Syria is by no mean a safe environment to operate the SAA lost dozens of aircraft every year to MANPADs and AA fire.

The US reportedly lost a least a F-16 (crashed), a least one F-15 got seriously mauled (but wasn't downed, 'cause it's a F-15 and F-15 are indestructible) and at least one V-22 crashed (for the usual reason) when it come to rotary.

And again it's with Russia doing a lot lot lot much with a lot less aircrafts…

I mean just going to that page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_intervention_against_ISIL_aerial_order_of_battle make you realize how much the "coalition" is full of shit.


16226d No.581199

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>>581057

>>581065

You aren't out of the woods yet, anons

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44210403

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/israel-says-first-country-to-use-u-s-made-f-35-in-combat.html

The Israelis have used their F-35s to bomb SAA/IRGC bases in Homs & Hama, and unlike every other Israeli incursion, the Syrian's didn't claim to see or engage any of the attackers (because their radars didn't see shit), they've stayed awful quiet about it.

The only other possible explanation is that they used F-15s, disguised with USAF signatures (http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20573/lets-talk-about-this-rumor-that-israeli-f-15s-mimicked-us-jets-to-strike-at-iran-in-syria)

Military tech is a game of cat-&-mouse, and unfortunately for the red team, they haven't yet displayed an effective countermeasure to the stealth problem.


a5bbed No.581209

>>581199

what would happen if Russia shot one of those f35 down? How fucked would lockmart be?


2590cc No.581210

>>581209

>OY VEY, dose evil russians have penetrated our (((state of the art))) stealth technology!

>If you just give us six trillion more shekels, we can upgrade all your planes with new meme technology to counter this!

<how fucked would lockmart be?

Not at all.


33d5fd No.581235

>>581199

>Military tech is a game of cat-&-mouse, and unfortunately for the red team, they haven't yet displayed an effective countermeasure to the stealth problem.

>what is s-400


75fa96 No.581242

File: 9de4358d2ea55e5⋯.jpg (23.41 KB, 400x406, 200:203, zenigahahahahahahahahahaha….jpg)

>>581145

>Bullshit.

>proceeds to not list any sort of citations or proof for any of his claims as expected of the slavaboo of the board

>>581191

>My list is accurate.

>has no proof of it being accurate


b7d29a No.581253

>>581242

I don't give a shit if you don't believe me.

If anyone is interested enough to look into it, my list will check out. Yours won't.

I don't need to win arguments on the internet, I let reality do it for me.


75fa96 No.581256

File: d0d61120a455deb⋯.jpg (83.64 KB, 640x373, 640:373, 1245227653282.jpg)

>>581253

>JUST TRUST ME GOYIM


9e0256 No.581268

>>581199

>Military tech is a game of cat-&-mouse

>they haven't yet displayed an effective countermeasure to the stealth problem

Just because the mouse thinks he has free reign of the house doesn't mean the cat isn't waiting to pounce.


ec84ea No.581273

>>581067

>after moving from sillicon to Gallium arsenic conductors

A man can dream, but practical GaAs and GaN semiconductors are still a ways away. Even after the tech itself is perfected and the resultant chips relatively stable, it won't become widespread for a while due to the expense of production; as far as I know even if we solved all the issues tomorrow, MBE growths are the only way to produce GaAs semiconductors, and that's a time-consuming and expensive process.


d7dda6 No.581276

>>581273

I know. That's why I said theoretically.

Too many people these days only see the possiblity and not the practicality


6108c6 No.581299

>>581235

>>581268

the cat seems to have been drugged with tranquilizers though, since that s-400 never seems to be on.


2ccb27 No.581307

>>581053

If anything…


9e0256 No.581566

>>581299

True, true. But what does Russia gain from blowing just a few zogjets out of the sky? Wait until the right moment, no use unveiling a superweapon and forcing zog to design a new jet over a few airstrikes.


6e5ec0 No.581593

>>581051

>Why not just make one of lower power requirements that would just fuck up the sensor of at least heat-seekers.

In service since literally the soviet invasion of afghanistan.


be2fdf No.582129

>>581016

Israeli Air Force destroyed half of Syria’s air defenses, says senior officer

“All of the batteries that fired on the IAF were destroyed. All of them. And this policy will continue. We do not destroy batteries that do not fire on us,” said a senior IAF officer.

>Some 50 percent of air-defense batteries belonging to the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad have been destroyed after they fired on Israel Air Force jets in recent months during multiple operations, a senior Israeli Air Force source said on Wednesday.

>The officer was speaking to reporters during an international airforce conference hosted in Israel, which brought together commanders from 20 foreign air-force establishments to discuss professional and operational matters with the IAF. Participants included the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada, Poland, Italy, Brazil, Greece and Romania.

>“The risks are all around us—whether it is instability in Syria or in Lebanon, where Hezbollah is a forward [Iranian] division, or Hamas, which gets its support from Iran. Iran is all over, offensively trying to operate against Israel, and we have to weigh the risks constantly as we operate against this aggression,” the senior source stated.

>In recent months, during a number of Israeli airstrikes against aggressive Iranian activity in Syria between February and May, Syrian air-defense systems fired on Israeli jets “hundreds of times,” the source revealed. “In a single mission, they fired over 100 SAMS [surface-to-air missiles],” he said, referring to the May 10 Israeli operation to strike 50 Iranian targets across Syria in retaliation to Iranian rocket fire on the Golan Heights.

>“All of the batteries that fired on the IAF were destroyed. All of them. And this policy will continue. We do not destroy batteries that do not fire on us,” said the source.

>Lt. Gen. Enzo Vecciarelli, Chief of Staff of the Italian Air Force, said holding a dialogue with the IAF was valuable for his personnel. “We appreciate flying together. We enjoy the beauty of your country and the quality of this training machine,” he added.

>‘Iran has its owns aspirations as a regional player’

>“This active defense campaign … is something we are doing because we have to be actively defending the State of Israel. It requires us to continually monitor and assess the risks in one of the most dangerous and sensitive places in the world. Why is it so dangerous? Every time you operate, there are operational risks. You can hit stuff you did not want to hit or personnel you did not want to hit. We are only trying to prevent offensive measures that are conducted by Iran.”

>“Iran needs to work things out with the world, not just with Israel. We are high on the list, but we are not the only one. Iran has its own aspirations as a regional player. It is expanding its physical forces around the region when its economy is crumbling. Does it make sense? Not to me, but that is its long-range decision,” said the officer.

>In confronting Israel directly in Syria, Iran did “not weigh the risks in the right way,” he continued. “I dare say, I think they will change their strategic decisions. It might take six months or a year … everything happening together is pushing Iran back. If I stand in Iran, that’s what I see. I have a feeling they are going to change. The question is: Which way? That, I do not know.”

>Meanwhile, the F-35, which entered service in the IAF last year, is proving itself as a game-changing platform in Israel’s ongoing missions.

>“The F-35 is really a remarkable platform. … It has many sensors on it which are very important to conducting missions,” said the source, especially in areas with dense air defenses. “The first thing it brings is situational awareness.”

>"The challenges around us are keeping the small F-35 squadron on their toes. They have to move fast,” said the source.

>Israel has received nine F-35s so far, and is due to receive a total of 50—two squadrons—in the coming years.

>“Our operational temp is very high. It is very hard to explain how intense it is, and how unique our air personnel are when they conduct their operations. They need to understand exactly what is going on, and who is shooting at them,” he stated.

>Throughout this complex era, Israel and Russia have succeeded in avoiding unintended clashes. “The Russians know very well that the IDF hasn’t come to attack Russia,” said the source.

>At the same time, the arrival of advanced Russian radars in the region means that the IAF has to work harder to remain out of sight.

https://worldisraelnews.com/israeli-air-force-destroyed-half-of-syrias-air-defenses-says-senior-officer/

http://archive.is/r3hqW

So are S-400s going to shoot down (((anything))) or what?


293118 No.582147

>>581652

What the fuck is "scalar weaponry"?

>Basically, the VTRPE uses chem trail sprayings of barium and this barium absorbs the radiation they bounce off it through the satellite radio network.

1. Barium absorbs x-ray radiation, not radio waves

2. They would have to blanket the sky with bricks of barium to prevent radio communication

3. You may be confusing the metal with beryllium (although simple steel would work better)

4. For example classic chaff, which can block radio waves

5. Or an e-bomb, which uses small conductive strips to crash electric grids

>Scalar weaponry goes deep inside minds and inputs not only biometrics, but your thoughts/dreams/vision/hearing onto the computer screen.

>Telepathic communication is clearly the all-out future of combat. The real money now is being put into 6G fighters for 2025-2030 which can perform EMPs and cause hallucinations in all enemy combatants on the ground, distorting the senses and incapacitating their force.

>Airborne viruses can be directed into their bodies through the skin: quantum potential weapons, inducing not only disease, but heart attacks, strokes and many other complications.

Jesus christ.

Where do people get this shit?


293118 No.582148

>>582129

>So are S-400s going to shoot down (((anything))) or what?

Depends on if Russia wants to start a nuclear war with Israel.

Apparently they're giving S-300s to Syria, so we'll at least get to see those.


6af50a No.582155

>>582147

>replying to obvious shitposts


cb1178 No.582408

>>582147

For the same reasons as always, they either have mental illness, or they have an audience of suckers they can con money out of.


d1e1dc No.582779

>>582147

Why are you replying to tor posters?

Only good tor post is the on you use to "hide ID" in any thread.


d1e1dc No.582781

>>582129

>We've destroyed over 6 000 000 anti-semite air batteries.

>In one operation

>With 9 planes.

Why does this rat-like kvetching sounds like bullshit?

The only thing that ever was confirmed destroyed was one Pantsir that was inexplicably turned off and unnamed.

Syria has a hundred of those by now…

As to how the jews keeps getting away with it it's was explained repeatedly, they don't go into Syrian airspace, they lurk in Lebanon and Jordan airspace and strike either from there or do very short (a few seconds) penetration raids, even if they can shoot them down it is an actual violation of international law which will definitely used by the US to attack evil Syria that is shooting anti-Semite missile at innocent baby planes that dindu nuthin outside it's borders.


21e615 No.582791

>>582781

I don't disagree but I think such a bold claim deserves at least one humiliating debunking from the opposite team.


a7894a No.582807

>>582791

The whole press release is embarrassing and borderline cringy on itself without any aid from outside sources.


776bd8 No.582809

>>581017

>>582129

>>582791

>Not one, not two

>but ''three Greekfags are here

Where the fuck did you πουστόνεα come from?


21e615 No.582811

File: b4d2a9463e8f5c9⋯.jpg (26 KB, 575x358, 575:358, spycat.jpg)

>>582809

>not having a dynamic IP

>not having 2 blackouts per week


776bd8 No.582812

>>582811

>Needing dynamic IP to browse an imageboard

Only if you're the pajeet that's spamming /pol/.




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