9992df No.579996
>>579992
To be fair, they're probably about the only ones who can afford that stuff.
e2cc19 No.579997
>>579992
Maybe it was some form of advanced German sabotage, cartels are fucked if they get into a gunfight in the sun now.
5e4d6a No.579998
39ac76 No.580002
So HK is gonna be import banned by POTUS just like Norinco was I guess. Though I am not a fan of HK it is still bullshit.
fc235e No.580016
>>580002
Norinco sold shit to gangs in the US. H&K sold shit to Cartels, in Mexico. Two different places.
39ac76 No.580019
>>580016
Have you been to California? Those weapons sold to beaners in beanland will be coming north soon enough.
2bba90 No.580023
>>580019
That's the plan anon.
d353bf No.580029
>faggots keep butchering SL-8s to make them look like G36s because retarded import laws
>MEANWHILE IN MEXICO
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
326126 No.580035
>kill beaner criminals
>acquire raifu
>proft?
d59f5c No.580037
This is not exactly news. German MSM made a feature length movie about this. Meister des Todes, for those who are interested. I wouldn't recommend it.
The Staatsanwaltschaft ( state attorneys) Stuttgart have been on this case for years and years.
407447 No.580039
can't sell to americans but can sell to criminals
inb4 kochsucker defense force
fc235e No.580041
>>580019
As far as I'm concerned California is a joke people tell me about because I honestly can't believe such a place exists.
>>580039
To be fair H&K can't really do anything about 922r and other dumb shit other than open manufacturing somewhere in the USA then stop being twats about the shit they make.
ac93dd No.580046
>>580041
>H&K becoming "not twats"
Would they even still be H&K at that point?
407447 No.580078
>>580041
that's the point, leafbro. every other fucking gun company has an american subsidiary, even other DACh ones like walther, steyr, and sig. H&K are too elitist to market to civilians. that's where the "only for professionals" meme came from about them.
b2ecdf No.580083
>>580037
>Meister des Todes
That sounds surprisingly metal, like some secter nazi organization from a Japanese cartoon. What would be the literal translation of Lord of War?
7b8272 No.580089
>>580083
>Lord of War
Herr des Krieges
6a6858 No.580101
I never understood why anyone would ever sell the country's own weapons to foreigners. You're supposed to keep that shit top-secret and only supply them to your military. Why would I sell brand new rifles, tanks and aircraft to people who might later sell them to my enemy?
Now granted, selling G36s to some smelly shitskins in Mexico isn't the same as selling Leopards to the middle east, but I still want my question answered.
4e596a No.580105
>>580101
Because you get shekels for it, and you don't have to deal with the consequences. So what if some durkas get ahold of a Leopard II, you can just send some straight white males to go die for Israel.
052287 No.580109
>>580101
This is what you get when you privatize your armories.
a6bf6c No.580112
>>580101
Because your own people might not want your weapons or there is not a big enough market for it in your country, so selling your weapons to foreigeners is the only way to produce them and make a profit.
c0a1f8 No.580118
So when is the ATF going on trial?
5f046e No.580123
>>580101
Normally you'd sell B-tier weapons to foreigners located too far to have a chance of using those weapons to hurt you while keeping your A-tier guns for your countrymen
but the answer is, Jews.
99c186 No.580167
>>580089
Correct.
>>580101
What you want:
>military industry that can supply your entire army without effort
>military industry that can afford to spend a couple millions on R&D and trials
>military industry that isn't based in some other country
What you don't want:
<pay for it
By allowing your arms manufacturers to export their arms to literally all shitholes you ensure that they have enough income (or in the case of H&K: can repay the loans some fucking brits took out and then buggered off with the money) to fund development and setup of new production facilities.
And since you are selling them modern era gear (read as: "supply contracts that come with a maintenance clause") you can milk their economy for years to come from a single deal.
dc6674 No.580199
>>580118
As soon as brexit happens :^)
5f046e No.580207
>>580199
Did you know that the original european constitution didn't allow member countries to leave EU ever?
However France and UK reminded the bureaucrats that they can leave anytime they want, the question being if they want Brussels to be glassed or not in the process, leading the change resulting in Lisbon Treaty instead of EU constitution.
If britbong government was serious about brexit, they'd just mention their nuclear capability as part of brexit.
3fcff7 No.580214
>>579992
HK sold it to police corporations, cartels stole it/bought it from them.
Later Germany was pissed with HK because Mexico is "in war" and Germany supposedly has aggreements to not sold weapons to warzones or some bullshit like that
407447 No.580250
>>580214
>because Mexico is "in war" and Germany supposedly has aggreements to not sold weapons to warzones or some bullshit like that
you mean they have arms control laws against selling weapons to corrupt failed states? shocker.
8259a0 No.580629
So? Why shouldn't they? In fact given the recent acts in middle east I expect Russian anti tank missiles to be showing up in Mexico. The cartels are as powerful and certainly as rich as many governments.
Ten brigades of Mexicos military left Mexico city and tried to invade a neighboring province under cartel control, they brought everything they had in the city including tanks, artillery, air force support, and navy to pin the province in. And the ten brigades of official Mexican national military got their ass kicked by a single cartel group (Knights Templar) within spitting distance of Mexico City.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Michoac%C3%A1n
The only area Mexican government directly controls is Mexico city.
The rest of the country is contested, and fought over, constantly.
Anyone who thinks cartels are merely criminals is a retard. They extract taxes, they provide services, they administer regions. They are warlords with their own fiefdoms. Just because the UN doesn't recognize them doesn't mean it's not a FACT on the ground.
8259a0 No.580630
>>580629
Pic 1 is "Mexico State" and "Mexico City" the two areas controlled by the Mexican government.
Pic 2 is "Michoacan" the state controlled by Knights Templar.
dc6674 No.580644
>>580207
Yeah, so as soon as never
2bf339 No.580666
>>580629
>The code is contained in a small book that is handed out to all members of the cartel and even to the public. The book is decorated with knights on horseback with lances and crosses. The 22 page book is titled "The Code of the Knights Templar of Michoacan" and contains the rules and regulations of the gang.[18] The gang has based its rules on those of the European Knights Templar. Members swear to help the poor and helpless, fight against materialism, respect women and children, not kill for money, and not use drugs. The Knights even go as far as drug testing all members.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_Cartel
These fucking guys.
ac93dd No.580669
>>580207
>If britbong government was serious about brexit, they'd just mention their nuclear capability as part of brexit.
Realising that the first day of the 'negotiations' didn't involve David Davis giving the EU a list of terms with an appendix describing the effects of a single warhead detonating in the middle of Brussels is what cleared up any hope of the government in Westminster wanting Brexit to happen.
9f6168 No.580673
>>580630
>>580629
Dude you're seriously late. The Knights Templar Cartel is no more, most of their leaders are dead, and La Tuta (the only Cartel Boss I could say I actually have some degree of respect) is in jail. And I could say that the Michoacan Uprising only changed things for worse, since now the KTC only balcanized into many gangs, the most important being the Viagras.
Now if you wanna talk about real warzones, Tamaulipas and the whole Chihuahua/Sinaloa mountain range is the real deal. The Guerrero/Michoacan cartels are more guerrilla like.
Yes, there are many no-go areas in Mexico, but to say that outside Mexico City (the biggest leftist shithole in this fucking place) there is no government control is quite exaggerated.
But what worries me are not cartels, are fucking leftists, and since Lopez Obrador, the left leaning Presidential candidate is ahead on polls and popularity, I fear the future.
7b8272 No.580680
>>580673
What would happen to the Cartels if a 38th parallel tier Wall+DMZ were erected at the US-Mexican border?
(((They))) keep telling us that shutting down drug trade there would bring about civil war in Mexico, but couldn't the cartels move their routes over to the coasts and continue the trade via narco subs?
c8f4c2 No.580681
>>580669
That's not even near Brussels.
ac93dd No.580682
>>580681
OK, so it's somewhere South East of Ghent. I was surprised by the small number of related images turned up by a 'nuke Brussels' search, and that was the best I could find.
01d6ea No.580689
>>580680
They would buy the meth from hillbillies here and use the vast hordes of unwashed savages already here to protect and distribute it.
*that and walls don't do shit to stop runaway intelligence agencies from continuing the business.**
815d3a No.580715
>>580680
That would make it more expensive for them to ship it into the country, so the price of drugs would (in theory) increase. They would probably start expanding into the production in the US for cheaper and market the imports as "higher quality." But, >>580689 is right.
e69df3 No.580925
>>580673
Do you have any fucking idea how weird it is for the sovereignty of a government to be challenged in its own borders?
This happens literally nowhere in the world, except in rare occasions where war breaks out. Yet in Mexico this is the normal state of affairs for over half a century.
fdf2c5 No.582454
>>580925
Same goes for almost all geographical regions with easily extracted natural resources and no serious power structure. Look at the african nations with oil. Shitshows. Look at the middle east. Shitshows, or heavily policed.
The reason why south america is such a shitshow is because cocaine keeps being illegal, leading to a parallel society in which different rules work and are being enforced by no clear single authority.
Parallel societies bring about civil war, without fail. Sometimes in the form of progroms, sometimes in the form of rampant gangs, depending on ease of distinguishing features and numbers.
Would the south american nations just tell the US and their war on drugs to fuck off, they'd be able to take down violence to a tolerable amount by legal cocaine manufacturers dismissing their most violent enforcers, since they have no need for them anymore.
Honestly, interesting strategy. Convince the enforcers that a legalization would be extremely bad for them, then push for legalization and watch the enforcers tear apart the cartels down to the individual farmers. Bosses should be on your side, provided they can think even remotely economically. Why pay enforcers when you can pay taxes to fund the police? No more losses to LE because legal product and no more cost of enforcers plus peace of mind that you won't get killed by other cartels should be pretty strong arguments to convince them.
It would be extremely violent but over pretty quickly.
62501a No.582482
>>580925
>This happens literally nowhere in the world
Are you serious?
fc235e No.582507
>>580925
Hey man, now that I think of it I'm the king warlord where I'm at given how things are.
976043 No.583719
>>580680
>cartel members shoot construction workers and threaten to kill their families
<wall doesn't get built
>cartel members make C4/buy C4 from alphabet soups and blow up the wall
<wall doesn't exist anymore
>cartel members bribe the guards with dope and cash
<wall is useless
ac02a3 No.583725
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>583719
why bother resisting at all, just lose lol!
9f6168 No.583761
Well, something akin like you guise are discussing actually happened before. After 9/11 sneaking drugs became temporarily hard, so this brought some readjustments on the previous dealings among cartel bosses. Turf wars became more common, and then Calderón became president, the Zetas became the proto-ISIS cartel equivalent, and the Sinaloa Cartel became their bitter rivals. Literally, the Calderon period was the most important on the Drug War. And it was then when Arturo Beltrán Leyva a.k.a. Beard a.k.a. the Boss of all Bosses got BTFO by the Marines at the 2009, and the next year the Barbie got caught because he was speeding, no, seriously, and this was the end of the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel, but how BAD was this? Well, Putin said that the fall of the USSR was the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the past century. The Dissolution of the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel was the cartel equivalent of this, spiced with some good old violent balkanization.
9f6168 No.583762
tl;dr The Wall is good for burgers, bad fort everyone else here, shit will hit the fan (again), etcetera.
648958 No.583768
>>583719
America isn't Mexico, you can't just go around doing high profile shit like that without any response. If the Cartel are dumb enough to do that the Border Patrol will first be reinforced with National Guard, then with real fucking military.
Cartels might not suffer too much if America invaded, but the Mexican people would.
36d319 No.583782
>>580689
The best idea would to clandestinely infect everyone with a normally benign virus that turns deadly once it comes into contact with metabolic products from illicit narcotic use.
6a6858 No.583787
>>583761
>>583762
Why do you cut their faces off while they're still alive you subhuman mullato niggers? Even the sub 80 IQ middle-eastern goat fuckers have better ways for execution, including fire.
But no, the Mexiniggers need to skin some fellow mexinigger alive while he's still fully conscious, pull off his eyes, cut off his limbs and then kick him while he's lying on the floor drowning in his own blood and misery, then finally his fellow mexiniggers will put him out of his misery by cutting his throat with a dull blade and watch him spurt blood even faster, screaming and puking like a disgusting miserable maggot.
I wouldn't do that to even the Turks. I would respect even the Turks just enough to guaranteed them a quick bullet to the head, but not the kind of shit Mexiniggers do. What the fuck man nigger.
206c06 No.583788
>>583782
>The best idea would to clandestinely infect everyone with a normally benign virus that turns deadly once it comes into contact with metabolic products from illicit narcotic use.
Sounds like the plot from that second kingsman movie
>inb4 hollywoodkikeshit
It was fun enough, but the drug cartel should have won
36d319 No.583790
>>583719
>Cartel try and blow up the wall
>Get strafed with The BRRRT
36d319 No.583791
>>583787
Says the guy who's people used the brazen bull
206c06 No.583792
>>583787
>But no, the Mexiniggers need to skin some fellow mexinigger alive while he's still fully conscious, pull off his eyes, cut off his limbs and then kick him while he's lying on the floor drowning in his own blood and misery, then finally his fellow mexiniggers will put him out of his misery by cutting his throat with a dull blade and watch him spurt blood even faster, screaming and puking like a disgusting miserable maggot.
>I wouldn't do that to even the Turks. I would respect even the Turks just enough to guaranteed them a quick bullet to the head, but not the kind of shit Mexiniggers do. What the fuck man nigger.
It instills fear in the enemy, the populace, and among the ranks; it's all about hearts and minds, albeit 180 degrees different from its traditional meaning. The more brutal a cartel seems/is, the enemy cartel members will lose morale, and the less likely anyone will fight against them for the fear of reprisals. I'd say that it's morbidly effective to that end.
>>583791
"According to Diodorus Siculus, recounting the story in Bibliotheca historica, Perillos of Athens invented and proposed it to Phalaris, the tyrant of Akragas, Sicily, as a new means of executing criminals."
On a side note, it would be nice to hollow out the New York Bull and kill finance jews in it.
0b7a5e No.583793
>>583791
Technically a Greek invented it but it's the Romans/Sicilians that used it, there are no record of it ever being used in Greece.
Ancient Greeks are notorious for the fact that they barely had capital punishment, it was only for intentional murder and the accused would have a chance to exile himself before judgement (and when guilty the sentencing was done in a manner not to "pollute" the cities, IE people had to die "naturally", so they were thrown from a high place, crucified or killed themselves).
Are you a guy that blame Russia for the latest drive by done by an AK?
6a6858 No.583796
>>583791
Well what can I say, we're good with bronze
>>583792
>It instills fear in the enemy
If I was a cartel and someone did that to my men I would genocide my opponents and put each and every last one of them through Scaphism, unironically.
9f6168 No.583797
>>583787
Whoa, there's no need to be angry, calm down.
>>583792
Now it's almost like a contest, everyone is trying to be edgier than the others.
>You shoot our friends? We shot yours.
>You betray me? I'll kidnap you and torture you to death.
>You just shot them in the head? Why not beheading them?
>You just chopped his head? Let's try skinning his head alive and THEN we chop his head with an utility knife.
>You just tortured his dad and beheaded him in front of his eyes? Whoa what a massive fag you are, let's beat him, flay his chest and THEM rip his beating heart, that'll show him.
I'll go on but man.
9f6168 No.583798
>>583796
>If I was a cartel and someone did that to my men I would genocide my opponents and put each and every last one of them through Scaphism, unironically.
Well it's not like they weren't trying that before dude.
68b1bc No.583824
>>583797
So how long until cartels become the new Aztecs with some good ol human sacrifices?
5f046e No.583831
>>583782
That sounds like esperol implant, but for crack cocaine.
4e9dc4 No.583832
>>580101
The Turkroaches managed to get two Leopard II get blown up by goat fuckers. I'm not too concerned about the morons being sold equipment that they are too dumb to use effectively for.
What's a cartel guy going to be able to do with a G36 that he couldn't do with an AK or AR?
9f6168 No.583890
>>583824
Well the Zetas already engaged in cannibalism so…
133d54 No.583907
>>583719
>not installing a fuckton of pic related across the entire range of the wall
648958 No.583918
>>583907
It's actually ridiculous how cheap autoturrets have become. Korean made ones are a few thousand dollars apiece, cops buy more expensive guns.
133d54 No.584033
>>583918
How feasible would swarms of airborne sentry guns be now that cartels are shipping drugs via drone?
69e02f No.584040
8c2421 No.590367
>>579992
>Implying they haven't been buying M4s direct from the US government
>Implying there's not so many US military arms in circulation with the cartels they're getting confiscated by the metric ass load every time some farmers try to hop the fence
I like that the US government wants to ban AR-15s but sells M16s to Hose and pals.
e2cc19 No.590373
>>584033
Really they should be making drone submarines, they've already got the technical knowledge in making submersible vehicles and as long as you can get them broadly near the coast the rest can be done by locals with a boat.
33e43f No.590378
>>580669
I wish our government had balls.
>>580681
Eh, if we miss we will just fire another one, gotta hit something important eventually.
>>590373
How fucked would a navy be if you sent hundreds of underwater automated bomb subs towards them?
e2cc19 No.590380
>>590378
>How fucked would a navy be if you sent hundreds of underwater automated bomb subs towards them?
Don't know enough about naval warfare to comment I'm afraid. Aren't modern self-guiding torpedoes just those anyway?
aa1ee1 No.590387
tommy built is going to produce new g36 receivers.
5abfe7 No.590400
>HK will sell to fucking criminals but not to civies
Really though what the goddamn fuck is their problem with people?
063903 No.590470
>>580925
>This happens literally nowhere in the world, except in rare occasions where war breaks out.
It happens literally constantly in various South American countries.
328402 No.590499
>>590400
Stringent import laws.
122300 No.590552
Typically nu German Weimar behavior. Like that won't land them in hotter water with Trump than they already are. Merkel is one dumb slut.
122300 No.590554
>>583768
>Implying I care about a bunch of dead spics, fucking leaf
ddc743 No.590682
>>583907
I already pretend them trying to explode the wall worth $1kk using hundreds of units worth a fraction of that. I want a tower defense game about that.