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There's no discharge in the war!

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5cbdaa No.576720

Everyone knows vacuum tubes are more resistant to EMP and all kinds of radiation and temperature. Their main problem was size, reliability, and power requirement. The Japanese have invented nano-sized vacuum tubes that solve all of these issues!

>Vacuum tubes, or thermionic valves, have almost disappeared from our day-to-day life, save for some purist sound rigs and high-power radio base stations. Their replacement - solid-state transistors - are easier to manufacture, cheaper, lighter, last longer, and consume much less power. Valves, on the other hand, are more robust in high-temperature and high-radiation environments and yield a higher frequency/power output than standard transistors.

>Nanofab researchers are developing a device the combines the best aspects from both vacuum tubes and solid-state transistors. Their prototype "vacuum channel transistor" is only 150 nanometers in size, can be manufactured cheaply using standard silicon semiconductor processing, can operate at high speeds even in hostile environments, and could consume just as much power as a standard transistor.

>The nanoscale vacuum channel transistors being developed can operate at less than 10 volts, a significant improvement over standard tubes. The researchers say that, once the gap between the emitter and the collector is further reduced to only 10 nanometers, the power requirements will drop to less than a volt, which would be competitive with modern semiconductor technology.

https://newatlas.com/nasa-vacuum-channel-transistor/22626/

F-14 DIED FOR OUR SINS BUT IT WILL RISE AGAIN

d2e49d No.576722

Why should I use this over a mosfet?


5cbdaa No.576724

>>576722

Uh, this is a vacuum mosfet if you want to think about it. Benefits listed in the article.


495e44 No.576729

>>576720

But could a vacuum computer run Linux?


5cbdaa No.576732

>>576729

It could run Gentoo at 1000x the speed.


495e44 No.576733

>>576732

Joking aside, would programing differ in any way, or could we use mostly the same software with this new hardware? And would it be faster than transistors? Because I can imagine some very expensive graphic card that uses nano vacuum tubes, and then the technology could spin off from that. Which would mean hardened electronics would be the standard even for civilians.


cb2124 No.576734

>>576724

That article is a fucking joke, it's pure PR


935273 No.576744

>>576733

The article theorizes:

>This new technology could be used for sensing hazardous chemicals, noninvasive medical diagnostics, high-speed telecommunications, as well as in extreme environment military and space applications.

Since there's essentially no gain for the radical increase in cost, I doubt consumers will ever see nano-tubes in their computers. Even if they did, it's still your standard transistor setup. Nothing would change at the fundamental level.

>>576734

That's mostly what science "journalism" is for. Not that we really have an alternative because most if not all of these papers are locked behind expensive paywalls.


5cbdaa No.576745

>>576734

its basically a nano scale mossfeet/vagina tube hybrid. Has all the benefits of transistors, some benefits of vacuum tubes (radiation hardening and faster transmission).

>>576733

It could make a terahertz cpu eventually. Current tech is stuck in the Ghz stage, temperature becomes a problem if you try to increase it. But vacuum tubes have less resistance heat and are more temperature tolerant.

>>576744

Current transistors didnt exactly enter the civilian market for awhile either, only government is dumb enought o finance over-expensive new tech.


04e7c7 No.576775

I never stopped using vacuum tubes.


7f7381 No.576792

>>576733

Short Answer: Yes.

Long Answer:The point of 'Architectures' is to implement a plan on how a computer is to be built as a system (input -> output). This is what makes an ARM, an x86, a POWER, etc. How the system is implemented (which this scope is the microarchitecture, and below that scope, the logic). The kernel does not know what lies below the architecture and any elements of exposed microarchitecture. Since this are feild effect transistors, they could work in cmos topographies. Maybe not as simply as current VLSI, but could be layed out in a similar fashion.


7f7381 No.576793

>>576792

Sorry, I meant:

Short answer: programming would not change. Even assembly languages would not change.


5cbdaa No.576808

OK since no one wants to search through it, here is a list.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/introducing-the-vacuum-transistor-a-device-made-of-nothing

How they are similar:

>The thumb-size vacuum tubes that amplified signals in countless radio and television sets during the first half of the 20th century might seem nothing like the metal-oxide semiconductor field-effect transistors (MOSFETs) that regularly dazzle us with their capabilities in today’s digital electronics. But in many ways, they are quite similar. For one, they both are three-terminal devices. The voltage applied to one terminal—the grid for a simple triode vacuum tube and the gate for a MOSFET—controls the amount of current flowing between the other two: from cathode to anode in a vacuum tube and from source to drain in a MOSFET. This ability is what allows each of these devices to function as an amplifier or, if driven hard enough, as a switch.

How they are different:

>How electric current flows in a vacuum tube is very different from how it flows in a transistor, though. Vacuum tubes rely on a process called thermionic emission: Heating the cathode causes it to shed electrons into the surrounding vacuum. The current in transistors, on the other hand, comes from the drift and diffusion of electrons (or of “holes,” spots where electrons are missing) between the source and the drain through the solid semiconducting material that separates them.

Advantages/disadvantages:

>Why did vacuum tubes give way to solid-state electronics so many decades ago? The advantages of semiconductors include lower costs, much smaller size, superior lifetimes, efficiency, ruggedness, reliability, and consistency. Notwithstanding these advantages, when considered purely as a medium for transporting charge, vacuum wins over semiconductors. Electrons propagate freely through the nothingness of a vacuum, whereas they suffer from collisions with the atoms in a solid (a process called crystal-lattice scattering) this is partly what causes high temperatures. What’s more, a vacuum isn’t prone to the kind of radiation damage including thermal that plagues semiconductors, and it produces less noise and distortion than solid-state materials.

Reason for transistor rule up until now:

> That speed benefit stemmed from the fact that as the transistors became smaller, electrons moving through them had to travel increasingly shorter distances between the source and the drain, allowing each transistor to be turned on and off more quickly. Vacuum tubes, on the other hand, were big and bulky and had to be fabricated individually by mechanical machining. While they were improved over the years, tubes never benefited from anything remotely resembling Moore’s Law.

> But after four decades of shrinking transistor dimensions, the oxide layer that insulates the gate electrode of a typical MOSFET is now only a few nanometers thick, and just a few tens of nanometers separate its source and drain. Conventional transistors really can’t get much smaller. Still, the quest for faster and more energy-efficient chips continues. What will the next transistor technology be? Nanowires, carbon nanotubes, and graphene are all being developed intensively. Perhaps one of these approaches will revamp the electronics industry. Or maybe they’ll all fizzle.


5cbdaa No.576809

>>576808

Why this is important:

We’ve been working to develop yet another candidate to replace the MOSFET, one that researchers have been dabbling with off and on for many years: the vacuum-channel transistor. It’s the result of a marriage between traditional vacuum-tube technology and modern semiconductor-fabrication techniques. This curious hybrid combines the best aspects of vacuum tubes and transistors and can be made as small and as cheap as any solid-state device. Indeed, making them small is what eliminates the well-known drawbacks of vacuum tubes.

In a vacuum tube, an electric filament, similar to the filament in an incandescent lightbulb, is used to heat the cathode sufficiently for it to emit electrons. This is why vacuum tubes need time to warm up and why they consume so much power. It’s also why they frequently burn out (often as a result of a minuscule leak in the tube’s glass envelope). But vacuum-channel transistors don’t need a filament or hot cathode. If the device is made small enough, the electric field across it is sufficient to draw electrons from the source by a process known as field emission. Eliminating the power-sapping heating element reduces the area each device takes up on a chip and makes this new kind of transistor energy efficient.

Another weak point of tubes is that they must maintain a high vacuum, typically a thousandth or so of atmospheric pressure, to avoid collisions between electrons and gas molecules. Under such low pressure, the electric field causes positive ions generated from the residual gas in a tube to accelerate and bombard the cathode, creating sharp, nanometer-scale protrusions, which degrade and, ultimately, destroy it. What if the distance between cathode and anode were less than the average distance an electron travels before hitting a gas molecule, a distance known as the mean free path? Then you wouldn’t have to worry about collisions between electrons and gas molecules. For example, the mean free path of electrons in air under normal atmospheric pressure is about 200 nanometers, which on the scale of today’s transistors is pretty large. Use helium instead of air and the mean free path goes up to about 1 micrometer. That means an electron traveling across, say, a 100-nm gap bathed in helium would have only about a 10 percent probability of colliding with the gas. Make the gap smaller still and the chance of collision diminishes further.

But even with a low probability of hitting, many electrons are still going to collide with gas molecules. If the impact knocks a bound electron from the gas molecule, it will become a positively charged ion, which means that the electric field will send it flying toward the cathode. Under the bombardment of all those positive ions, cathodes degrade. So you really want to avoid this as much as possible.

Fortunately, if you keep the voltage low, the electrons will never acquire enough energy to ionize helium. So if the dimensions of the vacuum transistor are substantially smaller than the mean free path of electrons (which is not hard to arrange), and the working voltage is low enough (not difficult either), the device can operate just fine at atmospheric pressure.

That is, you don’t, in fact, need to maintain any sort of vacuum at all for what is nominally a miniaturized piece of “vacuum” electronics!

But how do you turn this new kind of transistor on and off? With a triode vacuum tube, you control the current flowing through it by varying the voltage applied to the grid—a meshlike electrode situated between the cathode and the anode. Positioning the grid close to the cathode enhances the grid’s electrostatic control, although that close positioning tends to increase the amount of current flowing into the grid. Ideally, no current would ever flow into the grid, because it wastes energy and can even cause the tube to malfunction. But in practice there’s always a little grid current. To avoid such problems, we control current flow in our vacuum-channel transistor just as it’s done in ordinary MOSFETs, using a gate electrode that has an insulating dielectric material (silicon dioxide) separating it from the current channel. The dielectric insulator transfers the electric field where it’s needed while preventing the flow of current into the gate.

So you see, the vacuum-channel transistor isn’t at all complicated. Indeed, it operates much more simply than any of the transistor varieties that came before it.

Our very first effort to fashion a prototype produced a device that could operate at 460 gigahertz—roughly 10 times as fast as the best silicon transistor can manage.

>>576792

That's neat.


588a5d No.576811

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>>576720

So can we make an EMP-proof machine using vacuum transistors and fibre optics? Is the next step then to EMP the world and become kings?


2b706d No.576836

i don't think a vacuum tube would do shit against an EMP. EM waves don't need a medium to travel through like sound waves. they propagate through space itself. otherwise we wouldn't be able to detect shit like gamma bursts out in the vacuum of space. honestly, if you're worried about an EMP, you'd be better off wrapping your shit with aluminum foil for a makeshift Faraday cage.


cf948b No.576841

>>576836

>i don't think a vacuum tube would do shit against an EMP

It's not that a vacuum would block EMP in some way, because you're correct - EM waves don't need a medium to travel through. What makes vacuum tubes resistant to EMP is that a vacuum is empty; there's nothing in there for an EMP to fuck with.


aff6c2 No.576848

>>576836

You don't understand.

EMP kills systems by causing a power surge. Tubes have several orders of magnitude larger voltage tolerances, so you need a proportionally stronger EMP to destroy them (although they'd probably still crash and need to be reset).


d545c2 No.576876

>>576720

>resistant to EMP

It's called lead plating.


5cbdaa No.576894

>>576836

OK keep in mind I'm a biologist not an engineer, so this is all third hand knowledge:

Transistors work because the gate (silicon oxide) can prevent transmission of electrons at some voltages, but stop them at others. EMP overcharges the gate and turns the transistor into a plain wire, and then pumps so much electrons through that the gate is welded permanently open.

However in a vacuum tube, the vacuum plays part of the gating purpose, and vacuum can't be destroyed or welded. So although an EMP might force the gate open temporarily in a vacuum transistor, it can't permanently weld the gate opened. This means that a computer running VCT might suffer data loss by an EMP, but it wouldn't be permanently broken.

Also the amount of volts needed to force the gate open in a transistor is ~1V, and in a vacuum tube is ~10V, so there is an inherent resistance there as well. But that difference will disappear in more efficient VCTs.

>aluminum foil

Military vehicles need lines to the outside in the form of communication antennas, radar dishes, sensors etc…. they can't be faraday shielded.

>>576876

>lets plate our airplanes with lead

This is how you lost the war.


62e5fe No.576916

>>576744

What radical increase in cost? It's the same process as transistor microfabrication, therefore it costs the same.


d545c2 No.576926

>>576894

What a retarded post. Why are you hiding your flag, coward?


9ac073 No.576929

>>576926

Mind sharing exactly what is retarded about it?


d545c2 No.576931

>>576929

Everything, starting with his "emp"-understanding of it being like in videogames.


9ac073 No.576935

>>576931

Electromagnetic pulse is a burst of very high energy, conversely high frequency, photons. It's kinda its thing, it's not a "pulse" if it's low frequency. A photon striking an object imparts its energy onto material's electrons, in form of excitation or momentum. In non-conductive materials, electrons are strongly bound to their protons, so all of that energy has to be either scattered by re-radiation, or dissipated as heat. In conductive materials, electrons are free to move around, so photons' energy is turned into electrons' momentum, i.e. electric current. This is how antennas work. Which also means that any and all metal objects antennas and can generate electric current from electromagnetic radiation. So what happens when an EMP strikes a conductor, is that there's a shitload of current induced in the conductor. If this current can't flow freely, electrons build up on one end of the conductor, and the electric potential increases until it reaches breakdown voltage and there's an arc discharge between it and the other object. In a microelectronics, that would be between source and drain ends on the transistor gates. And the thing with transistors is, the breakdown arc leaves permanent low-resistance path in the semiconductor, shorting it open, thereby destroying it.

That is in no discrepancy with what hiddenflag said.


5cbdaa No.576946

>>576935

Maybe he thinks he can get away with bullying me because I said I'm not an engineer?


bfc441 No.576947

>>576935

tl;dr, try not to be such a boring cunt next time.


d545c2 No.576959

>>576935

Tell me about all those iiieeeemmmpiiiiii weapons that destroy all the current military equipment, chaim. tell me why everyone needs to buy meme-tubes right now.


994a58 No.576961

>>576959

>An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also sometimes called a transient electromagnetic disturbance, is a short burst of electromagnetic energy. Such a pulse's origination may be a natural occurrence or man-made and can occur as a radiated, electric, or magnetic field or a conducted electric current, depending on the source.

EMP interference is generally disruptive or damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures. The management of EMP effects is an important branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

Weapons have been developed to deliver the damaging effects of high-energy EMP.

Contents

1 General characteristics

It's right on the wiki you retard.


9ac073 No.576964

>>576961

Nevermind the ahmed, he thinks retardation and ignorance is its own excuse.


fc6408 No.577009

>>576959

>actual technological breakthroughs are the same as unproven money-sink meme projects

>being so aggressive towards information

>willing arrogance

<german

Nice try, Muhammed. Get the fuck back to Iraq and leave the internet for those with an IQ above 75.


69e08c No.577055

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>>577009

>56%er calling an 81%er non-white


5cbdaa No.577064

>>577055

>muh (((official))) demographics

America even counts blue eyes blonde ethnic Spanish people as nonwhites.

Germany counts decimeter-diameter head Somalians as native German Vikings.

Please don't crap up the thread.


286a3b No.577071

>>576744

Use sci-hub.io strelok.

>>576745

>terahertz cpu

Wew. Maybe Moore's Law becomes true again.


69e08c No.577081

>>577064

>america even counts blue eyes blonde ethnic Spanish people as nonwhites

No it doesn't retard, it literally counts, Arabs, other semites, Iranians and North Africans "non-hispanic whites" (maybe some Indians too, not sure) and mud-brown spics as "hispanic whites". Please give me a source of a single blonde-haired, blue-eyed Spaniard being recorded as "non-white hispanic".

That 81% figure is specifically for ethnic German whites with no immigrant background, similar to the "white British" category we have.

>please don't crap up the thread.

Maybe the yankee doodles should stop replying to every post with "whiter than you, muhammad"


69e08c No.577082

File: 1adaa37d051e9cb⋯.png (1.76 MB, 1000x1080, 25:27, ClipboardImage.png)

>>577064

>>577081

Forgot my picture


5cbdaa No.577102

File: 96e536bbef2104f⋯.jpg (17.4 KB, 610x300, 61:30, othello-full-movie-direct-….jpg)

File: 0a71cb92145dcf2⋯.jpg (47.88 KB, 863x575, 863:575, angel_original_20381-863x5….jpg)

File: 8fbe2420308e7d2⋯.jpg (46.53 KB, 976x549, 16:9, p04v9r3d.jpg)

File: 062637df18d2a46⋯.jpg (67.22 KB, 590x350, 59:35, The-Hollow-Crown-667894.jpg)

>>577081

>>577082

You're confusing our law enforcement with the census.

The niggers are wrangled by the executive and thrown in prison by judicial, the census itself is partly legislative but mostly exists outside the three branch system because it's mandated by the constitution.

Police have nigger quotas they can't go over, census is just retarded.

>non-hispanic whites

The fact that "hispanic" disqualifies someone from being white, when 47% of hispanics in general are white as the driven snow, is a fucking joke. Mexican government gives preferential treatment to mixed and natives, and even so their genetic studies show mexico is about 43% white, But when they cross the border they disappear.

>german census figures

They had 3 million turks in 2009.

Turks have a higher than replacement fertility rate.

From 2009 to 2016 many more turks immigrated.

In 2016 germans only had 2.7 million turks.

This is how you know their census is bullshit.

>>577082

Wow you're right they kind of look like ancient british.


286a3b No.577104

File: 6b596b602440707⋯.png (19.32 KB, 346x193, 346:193, hol up.png)

>>577102

Othello is a venician moor though.


fc6408 No.577113

>>577081

>>577055

>realizing a being as stupid as FalseKraut is not likely to be ethnically German based on how fucking retarded he is

>muh 56 meme

>britbong

Get the fuck outta here with your nonsense.


5cbdaa No.577117

>>577113

The 56% spammer Brit is actually Jewish, it came out a few months back when he accidentally used "our" to refer to kikes.


edc17f No.577129

File: c1b587eaf7c1601⋯.jpg (38.09 KB, 440x398, 220:199, 1427172281415.jpg)

>>576926

He's not; a hidden flag looks like this.


82e9e7 No.577183

>>576916

It'd take some R&D though before they become commercially viable which of course is bad unless (((Intel)))-aviv does it.

Wafer yield might also be too low for mass manufacture with current processes, it's one of the reasons MRAM hasn't seen any widespread use as of now.


e859de No.577209

>>577183

Why would wafer yield be lower? Vacuum gates have the same physical layout as transistor gates except they don't have a semiconductor layer.


c14d57 No.577423

So they are more resistant to heat and electomagnetic pulses, but what about acceleration? Because if they can deal with G forces too, then this will also lead to better electronics and fuses for missiles and shells.


645643 No.577428

>>577423

Why would they have issues with acceleration? Just due to the fragile nature of the tube?


c14d57 No.577435

>>577428

I wanted to imply with the structure of my sentence that I inquire if they are more resistant to acceleration that semiconductors, or not.


645643 No.577438

>>577435

>I wanted to imply with the structure of my sentence that I inquire if they are more resistant to acceleration that semiconductors, or not.

Nigger what?


c78463 No.577440

>>577438

It makes sense to me. I don't know the answer however.


39edc1 No.577484

>>577438

He wants to know which is more resistant to acceleration, classical transistors or vacuum transistors. The answer is that either of those can take over 500,000g… transistors aren't the components that fail under g stress, welds and larger things are.




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