/k/ - Weapons

Thread went something like this:

>attack helicopters are 2x slower, shorter ranged, lower altitude than fixed wing props

>attack helicopters are 10x the price of fixed wing props

>V/STOL (vertical/short takeoff and landing) is useless, and fixed wing props can do STL (short takeoff and landing)

>only advantage of attack helicopters is hovering beyond terrain and popping up to fire off ATGM

>GEKKO FROM METAL GEAR CAN DO THAT! I suggested that german crane thing instead

My 2 cents…

Pure bipedal robots are too difficult, cybernetics are easier. Clone muscle tissue over a metal skeleton, then use electrical impulses to contract it it would take about three months to grow the muscle tissue. All additional organs can be technological, a screw-valve heart forces a faster circulatory system, a dialysis machine filters out waste, a respiratory assist system provides oxygen. A baggie of electrolyte and sugar solution to provide the fluids needed to run the muscles, with some synthetic erythrocytes to carry oxygen, replacing all of the other necessary organs.

Then just slap a turret on top with all the weapons an attack helicopter would carry, a main computer that helps it walk with troops or behind vehicles, and a smaller battle computer which helps it to identify enemy targets and hide its lower body behind obstacles.

It would require less power to run than an attack helicopter, just switching out the baggie every now and then, and a battery to run the electrical impulses.

All this is possible with 2005-level technology.

t. biologist

>>576681

And of course add a massive sound system that blasts this at 125dB

>>576681

Wait, can we already grow properly working muscles? Also, would it need veins to circulate blood? And do we have artificial blood that is up to the task? In addition to all of this, what animal is best suited for this task? And how long would the muscles live?

>>576686

We can grow complete muscles with tendons with blood vessels inside them, since about 2005. We can also make tendons attach to titanium anchor points on a metal exoskeleton since the 80s.

We have artificial blood that can do it, it's basically a sheath of gluey proteins, sprayed on a plastic tube. Then hemoglobin is stuck to the gluey protein, the plastic tube is retracted while cutting the sprayed on gluey protein tube (which includes hemoglobin) into little rings. They then contract into tubular rings that look a lot like red blood cells. It's a decent oxygen carrier.

Any animal works for this as long as we have a supply of stem cells to jump start the process.

Muscles would live about two years, but I'm just estimating. Likely in the process of putting this thing together some breakthroughs will be made.

>>576698

>It can't carry as many weapons as the attack choppers it's meant to replace

Que? An attack chopper carries generally one light cannon and eight missiles, four on each side. Some attack choppers are advertised as carrying sixteen missiles, eight on each side, but in practice a four-pack on every pylon is replaced by a fuel tank, or else the chopper has no range. So just four missiles on each side, for a total of eight.

Image related plus a .50BMG would be easy to put on our GEKKO, the cool thing is it automatically tracks and targets. And each four-pack has independent sensors so even if the GEKKO takes damage and gets half its weapons blown away - the other half can still independently fire on targets.

It's tactics are to duck below the tree line, below buildings, below hills and obstacles, giving its legs infinity armor. And if the top turret is blown off who cares, you can make a modular slot-in carried around on repair trucks to fix it in a few hours.

>>576715

Devobio. But I know enough about synthetic bio to know this is possible.

>Attack choppers have a full-blown autocannon.

They have a half-blown autocannon, basically souped up grenade launchers. The chin gun on the Apache weighs about 1.3x as much as an M2 and launches a 30mm shell out at 500-1000fps slower than full sized autocannons.

I don't know anything about MGS, I've never played it. I just saw a few pictures and discussion about it on /k/. Please excuse my ignorance I'm too old for this.

>>576683

Is that bull being raped or is it raping something?

>>576681

>Building a combat robot

>Not powered by a smoke belching diesel engine

Why even bother?

>>576751

>Why even bother?

because you can fuck it

>>576753

If you're the kind of sick fuck that would stick his dick into a synth, is it really that much of a stretch to stick it into an intake valve?

>>576754

Well an intake valve requires more lubricant, and if its too tight the penis can actually grow thicker inside it and get stuck. Then you have to stick a needle in your dick to drain out the blood before pulling it out of the exhaust. This hasn't ever happened to me I just heard about it from somewhere I can't remember.

>>576731

>800m/s +

>Grenade launcher

They also use that round in European 30mm autocannon designs.

It's slower, but it also makes the gun lighter and you don't have to deal with those high pressure, heavier, and larger volume 30x173 rounds seeing as 30x113 are straight walled and do the job well enough.

>>576672

The problem with them is that sure they'll be more fuel efficient than helicopters on flat terrain, but it won't be in mountainous, hilly, swampy, passively denied (think landmines) land.

You're better off with some type of fixed winged STOL/VSTOL aircraft that has a low airspeed.

Funny thing is, they have been developed by the USAF doesn't like cost effective things that don't go fast.

You also have to think of how they will fight against the GEKKO like drones and what doctrine you'll use them with.

If you really mean to replace Attack Helicopters with them, they'll be grossly inefficient and slow in the areas I mentioned.

You can also get around the legs situations with track pressure, something like the Wiesel (which ground pressure is that of a walking infantryman so it can get to where it needs to be and is light enough to be transported by medium lift helicopters) that's more heavily armed with ATGMs would be a good in between to supplement attack helicopters, but it still won't be able to complete the job.

That said, something like digitigrade legged exoskeletons that boost speed to that of or a bit above that of Tanks and APCs, using them as dismounted shock and reconnaissance troops with weapons that are heavy enough to carry by just a team of them, shock troopers supported by ground based drones that take orders via arm mounted console and laser designation (especially for Urban combat by pointing to windows and having them light the room up) that can also be transported by APC/IFVs might be what you're looking for instead.

>>576764

>How would you effectively innervate the muscles and coordinate them effectively between them?

Measure the mass of the "resting body" and multiply that by G and whatever angle the body is at.

With that in the system, any force over the mass of the body acting upon the suit is amplified with the exact force that is needed to go along with the addition of force of the user moving a limb or his body.

They have done stuff like this since 2001 and it's the easiest way to pull it off, for an exoskeleton atleast.

>>576764

Ok let me try to address some criticisms.

- In 2013 vat grown meat cost $325,000 per burger, in 2015 it cost ~$20, in 2018 to 2022 it would be even more cost effective. I use vat grown meat (for hamburgers) as an example because it is made of muscle fibers, and they will contract if you provide a current.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34540193

- Muscle doesn't have to contract uni-directionally, it can contract omni-directionally and it will have roughly the same result. The important part is attaching it to titanium frame, which we solved with bioactive titanium.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jbm.a.32640

- Most of the control system was worked out in robots like BigDog, which although a technological marvel still suffer from power generation. Big Dog has only four hydraulic actuators per leg. That translates to two muscle groups for a total of four muscles per leg in our system, and one wire with lead in and lead out to activate each muscle galvanically. That's four individual "links" the computer has to control, exactly as many as a Big Dogs computer.

http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~jrw/teaching/IntroductionArtificialIntelligence/BostonDynamics/BigDog_IFAC_Apr-8-2008.pdf

- Do I have this figured out completely? No. I'm just judging it possible, not ready for production. And I judge it to be possible, if we started serious billion dollar military research in 2018 it would have a working scale prototype by 2022 easy.

>>576814

No. Not in the next 50 years anyway.

>>576814

No, it's not that simple, You can make Robotic birds though, just not very large.

You're better off adding stuff to existing aircraft and adapting to a new doctrine that can overwhelm the enemy before he can fight back and thinking of ways to counter it.

Looking for one wonder weapon to do the job of something that already exists, instead of finding new ways to fight, will always limit you and remove the ability to adapt when there's a need to actually fight.

>>576788

>antibiotic to prevent infection

Probably the deadliest part of this machine right there. What's your plan for when all your GEKKOs are immobilised due to an antibiotic-resistant disease eating their legs? What's your plan for when that disease spreads to the people responsible for maintaining the GEKKOs?

>>576871

>bacon burger

>tomboyish

>red-haired

>cute single fang

>also bacon

Once again proving that haram grills are best grills.

>>576871

>avocado

>burger

What the fuck?

>>576872

This, tombois are 10/10

>>576886

>It only takes one dickhead being irresponsible with antibiotics to ruin things for everybody.

FUCKING SHITSKINS

Plenty of third world shitholes allow you to buy antibiotics over the counter. Fucking shitskins like the red chinese and the pajeets are going to ruin antibiotics for everyone, which thankfully will bring their populations down to more reasonable levels.

>>576887

>which thankfully will bring their populations down to more reasonable levels.

Yep. The people who use them the most are also the people who rely on them the most. No more antibiotics means that all the sub-humans are going to have to either stop being such an embarrassment to the species, or die out. Either way, we win. Except for how everyone's going to be dying of pneumonia and tetanus again, like back in the good old days.

>>576831

>So if we'd started in 1998, when MGS1 was released, we would have had it by 2002.

The necessary discoveries were only in place by 2005 lol…

>go play at least MGS1-4 immediately

What even is it about?

>>576844

No problem I'll just use bacteriophages lel. The military making this one vehicle could catapult medical science forward 50 years into the future.

>>576765

That actually works.

>>576788

Yeah, that wasn't really my problem. All you really end up doing is constructing a military grade incubator.

>>576871

>relying on disease to disable GEKKOs would be pretty impractical in (theoretical) practice since delivering it is a huge hurdle and you'd be better off shooting them in the first place instead of slowly poisoning it

It'd be far easier gassing them with hydrogen cyanide and punching a hole through the muscle armor. Sure the muscle is synthetic, but it's still based on regular muscles. The ones in MGS don't have this issue because they used a nanotechnological analogue of muscle, later relying on CNT fibers.

>>576886

>>576887

Daily reminder to thank the chinks for ruining antibiotics for everyone.

>>576902

>bacteriophage

Far better idea, since it gives you more control over what part of the bacteria gets disrupted, instead of the tired old "inhibit cellular wall formation" of ABs. That is until some crazy fuck gives a modified Necrotizing fasciitis genes for Cas9 enzymes, then god knows what would happen.

>>576679

Why would somebody put this much effort into drawing Bomberman porn as a joke?

>>576902

>What even is it about?

The Metal Gear series is about a lot of things, give the series a try.

Every game brings something new to the table.

The fourth one brought girls in bodysuits that sometimes moan if you touch them on the crotch

>>576902

MGS 1 is about genes and epigenetics, also a giant nuclear equipped mech built by the (((deep state)))

MGS 2 is about information control and ideas you pass on

MGS 3 is a prequel about why being a zogbot is bad.

MGS 4 is about being suicidal and a steamy diarrhea dump in your pants

MGS V is about making a shitty game where 60% of content is filler and having braindead fanbase eat it all up

When does it stop being power armor and start being mech?

>>577114

>find tall building

>climb on top

>begin to suppress

>if building is assaulted, hop to a neighboring rooftop and repeat

>>577114

>Their loiter time over a target lasts until they have to refuel.

They can also get shot up no?

>>577337

You're incredibly naive to think the hovering altitude for an attack helicopter is the same as a UH-60 and that an attack helicopter would be used the same as a UH-60. The AH-64 has a max altitude with minimum payload of 6,400 m. Sure, with a larger payload you'd still fall within the range of most MANPAD systems, including the Igla and Stinger family, but anybody with a brain wouldn't deploy an attack helicopter to a place crawling with them.

>>577299

Power armor is something you stand up in and each of your limbs goes in each of the mech's limbs. You direct it by walking and moving your arms as you would without armor, and the suit takes and amplifies your effort.

A mech is something you sit in via a cockpit and direct it via controls like a joystick and throttle. There are some fringe cases where both are the case, such as the 'mech' in The Vision of Escaflowne where the cockpit is an enclosure you stand in and operate controls that work the same way as described in power armor. Gundam had some weird mechs like that too, I think with the pilot suspended in a goo that insulated them and read their movements.

>>577341

>AH-64 has a max altitude with minimum payload of 6,400 m

At that altitude it would have to be moving very fast to generate enough lift to stay aloft. Hover ceiling is 4800 meters above sea level, and that's unburdened again. None of that matters however because at those altitudes a Buk will eat them for breakfast.

They need to fly in treetop range to have a chance against SAM, which puts them in range of cannon and shoulder mounted missiles.

There's no safe altitude, that's a complete fiction.

>>576698

>I think a full-size mech could be useful as a base defense unit

That would work. It would be artillery that can more easily move around. This would be useful for getting into a better position and getting the hell away from oncoming fire. The odds of one getting stolen from a guarded base are lower too. It would not be ideal for being on the field though without sufficient support. One good ied and the legs are gone and then it's fucked. Being higher up will make it a bigger target too. It would have to be really strong at traveling especially shitty terrain. That would give it an advantage over tanks.

>>577346

>the somalis fired literally thousands of RPGs that day

>don't have money for food

>have enough money for a volley of thousands of RPGs

Humanitarian gibs put in good use I am not being sarcastic.

>>576907

It's more like a petry dish.

>>576902

>What even is it about?

It's kind of the Evangelion of vidya. Like Evangelion, saying that it's about giant robots is technically true, but that's really a gross oversimplification. There's so much more to it than that.

>>578505

>a nanovirus that had the effect of turning people autistic

so, vaccines? :^)

>>578505

>An efficient means of spreading autism to the masses

Congratulations, you're currently using an out of control mutation of it

>>583103

What makes you think they are libruls? If you asked them, most of them would jokingly agree that Hitler did nothing wrong.