eed216 No.573529
Hey /k/ what do you think is the most underrated rifle? I have to say the FN-49 is very underrated rifle.
f562b4 No.573531
Everything from France and Spain.
3b56e8 No.573538
>steals strips us of our raifus in the name of (((peace)))
>complain about them exploding once they're back home
They're not so much underrated as they are infamous, thanks to the boundless retardation of some Americans and their inability to tell a training rifle apart from a proper one.
7db90c No.573566
Go ahead, get your upotty posting out of the system. It still needs to be said.
dc5300 No.573578
>>573538
You're saying the arisakas were made in trainer versions that shot downloaded cartridges that were the exact same dimensions as 6.5 or 7.7 arisaka? That's a terribly stupid practice if true. I agree that the arisaka is underrated though, they're among the nicest of the late military bolt actions.
My pick would be the G3. It gets all the anti-HK hate and seems to be regarded as the ugly duckling of the 7.62 NATO "battle rifles". It's a very good gun though, substantially more accurate than either the FAL or M14 and far easier to maintain than the M14.
OK, the general issue rifle is kind of ugly but if you throw on some wood or PSG-ish furniture it can look pretty good.
0c116e No.573580
>>573578
Why does the m14 seem bulkier than the m1?
32f9db No.573583
>>573566
Dubs noted.
Saging for snarkiness.
face99 No.573586
I'm actually a fan of these french berthiers. the little ones with the fixed magazine. they were made to compete with the german rifles at the time. These little carbine ones have such a nice feel to them, and the bolt is really smooth.
its not a common round anymore, but theyre nice to shoot in the same way the straight pull bolt swiss rifles are nice.
you can get these pretty cheap, but finding the smaller ones can be difficult. i've actually been wanting to buy one again but cant really find these for sale at a reasonable price.
a4bcd1 No.573588
>>573566
A3 looks better tbh
4a15a2 No.573590
626d99 No.573598
>>573538
>the American pig dogs are about to win
>quick, make a bunch of exploding rifles for them to steal
Pissed off nips are never to be underestimated.
7db90c No.573599
>>573583
You do realise that complaining about the A1 is no different than someone telling you that the AR15 platform is inherently awful because the M16a1 had problems in Vietnam.
>>573588
>Rails, rails everywhere!
So you can operate operationally with your operational accessories?
>Polymer
How is the weight reduction going to impact bayonet use? Even if you're not interested in the bayonet a 4.98kg steel rifle can still be used as a bludgeon.
>>573590
L85 IS NOT FOR LEWD!
55f6f5 No.573602
Another rifle im going to say that is underrated is the Carcano. Before you guys perform a Breaking wheel on me let me explain.
Yes I know that the Carcano is not the best rifle in the world. The Carcano with very good ammunition was a good rifle it was accurate and easy to use.
The carcano also has a nice bayonet too.
Most of the bad reputation comes from that its the rifle that killed JFK
7bf971 No.573609
>>573599
Im just going to say that its better than the first version of the rifle
dc5300 No.573616
>>573602
I think their bad reputation is from the fact Italians were trash in WW2. They actually lost a battle to spear-chucking niggers (abyssinians?) before the war.
7db90c No.573617
>>573616
>They actually lost a battle to spear-chucking niggers (abyssinians?) before the war.
The Abyssinians were about as close as Africans have come to a disciplined, professional, modern (for the time) army. They were at least a few steps above spear-chuckers.
1f1f01 No.573619
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>573602
>The carcano also has a nice bayonet too.
Honestly, any rifle that has a good bayonet was good before ww1. Even during ww1 they could work quite well under the right circumstances. Even vid related. It's actually the one aspect of ww1 longarms that I really miss from this show.
860979 No.573627
>>573599
>Rails, rails everywhere!
>so you can operate operationally with your operational accessories?
A plastic keymod handguard where you can remove the unwanted rail is much better than the shitty DD full chunk of solid osmium cheese grater quad rail that 'we're currently issuing.
350dc4 No.573628
>>573627
Oops, left my VPN on
047399 No.573630
>>573578
2nd pic: MAX ERECC
047399 No.573631
>>573599
The M16A1 suffered in ‘nam because of shit ammo and no cleaning kits. The L85A1 failed because it was a shoddy rifle that didn’t work. A2 seems bretty gud though.
4a15a2 No.573632
>>573599
If the L85 wasn't for lewd it wouldn't have such a fat fucking buttstock.
I'd hold it tight and lovingly bully it for being such a slut even though it will NEVER EVER have the chance to be a slut
17ae47 No.573634
>>573631
>A2 seems bretty gud though.
It works well for what it is but it's still a bullpup and it's still heavy as fuck.
7bf971 No.573635
>>573616
>I think their bad reputation is from the fact Italians were trash in WW2
Explain Battle of Gazala, Charge of the Savoia Cavalleria at Izbushensky and how the Italian 1st Army defeating the British 56th "Black Cat" Division and a Free French Division on 11 and 12 May.
17ae47 No.573643
>>573635
They had victories, yes, but the campaign as a whole was largely unremarkable compared to the rest of the Axis powers.
dfdc4f No.573647
>>573599
Like >>573631 said, the M16 suffered in Vietnam for issues outside of its core design, namely bureacratic fuckery. The L85A1, on the other hand, suffered because it was INSAS-tier garbage in every regard. So bad, in fact, that Hanz decided it all had to go and built his own damn rifle almost from scratch. Yes, I know, you technically owned HK at that point, but that doesn't change the fact that the engineers were still fucking German. The end result was a boat anchor that had substandard ergonomics, weighed more than a goddamn M14 in operational configuration (loaded+SUSAT), and is still inoperable off the left shoulder without smashing your teeth in insert UK dentistry joke here. Meanwhile, the AR15 in all its forms continues to work flawlessly, now that they are cleaned and penny pinchers aren't allowed control over what powder we put in our ammo. Is the L85A2 better than the A1? Absolutely. Is it a good rifle in comparison to its contemporaries? God no. Why am I so righteously angry at this stupid rifle? Because its existence tarnishes the good name of RSAF Enfield, and marks the beginning of Commonwealth reliance on foreign arms suppliers.
tl;dr SA80 a shit.
047399 No.573651
>>573647
fukken nailed it, fren
7db90c No.573653
>>573632
>If the L85 wasn't for lewd it wouldn't have such a fat fucking buttstock.
A..Anon, how could you be so mean to her?
>>573647
I thought that a militarily neutered UK and Europe, dependent on NATO (i.e. America) for defence was Americas plan for a while now. It gives you more power on the world stage and a hell of a lot of political and economic influence on the other NATO nations. If you guys can get Trump to actually stick to his campaign pledges, and reduce Americas commitment to NATO then it might persuade our politicians that they actually need to give a shit about the military (Christ knows that they won't listen when we tell them), if that doesn't happen then at the very least it might finally end.
dc5300 No.573667
>>573635
>taking credit for German victories that you supported
>muh desperate cavalry charge that accidentally worked because nobody was taught to fight cavalry anymore
is this what guidos actually believe?
5d64c6 No.573671
>>573578
>substantially more accurate
ehhh, really?
only thing I didn't like about mine was how insanely dirty it got inside. If you thought DI AR15's got dirty, you have no idea.
60c733 No.573672
>>573529
tfw I love my FN49
tfw it probably killed kikes
>>573538
It isn't my fault I can't read the Kanji for NO LIVE AMMUNITION. Also mine was taken off a guy who got his stuck in a tree.
dfdc4f No.573673
>>573653
Teafriend, I can't pretend to know what the "plan" is, if there even is one.
>If you guys can get Trump to actually stick to his campaign pledges
You said it better than I, anon
>(Christ knows that they won't listen when we tell them)
A politician is a politician is a politician is a
9a6108 No.573693
>>573529
All the needle guns, because I only learned about them a good half-decade after all the other early weapons.
dc5300 No.573734
>>573671
Yes. The FAL (which in full disclosure I personally like more than the G3) is not a very accurate rifle. It uses a tilting bolt and the lockup and is just not very consistent from shot to shot. The M14 can be a very accurate rifle, for maybe three days (much less in bad conditions) after which the zero starts wandering.
None of this was very important to the respective military buyers because all of them are more accurate than the iron sights they shipped with anyway.
But, yes, it's true. The famous PSG-1 sniper rifle is basically a G3 with a few tweaks and a big scope.
b2ec0c No.573745
>>573693
>unreliable ignition
>requires rubber seal for breech
>firing pin literally burns away after a few hundred shots
They were miles ahead of muzzleloaders and served as a basis for bolt actions (and by liberal extension, most gas operated actions), but they got quickly dispaced by metallic cartridges for a reason.
7db90c No.573749
>>573673
>I can't pretend to know what the "plan" is, if there even is one.
Keeping the rest of the 1st world (and as much of the 2nd world as possible) works in your favour and fits with your last century or so of previous behaviour. I'm not claiming to have read the transcripts from some secret senate committee (that meets under the White House and ends ever meeting with Dr Evil laughter) but it seems reasonable to conclude that this is the state of affairs that America wants.
635407 No.573763
>>573647
I know that I'm veering rather offtopic here, but I feel like, on a bureaucratic level at least, you burgers are repating the exact same story with your F-35s (except much more expensively, and you're dragging half of Europe into it, too).
Every time I hear or think of either of these fiascos, I'm reminded of the other, and I can't help it.
>>573653
She deserves to be bullied.
If she weren't for lewd, she wouldn't let the Krauts finger her.
>>573745
I think they fall more under the category of underappreciated rather than underrated.
7db90c No.573777
>>573763
>She deserves to be bullied.
Fucking Barbarians.
>If she weren't for lewd, she wouldn't let the Krauts finger her.
OK, so she made some dumb decisions as a kid (parents were more to blame than usual too), but it was waking up after realising she'd spent all night Hecklering Kraut Koch which set her straight. Fair enough she might not be prime wife material, but she'd be a wonderful mistress to keep in a nice apartment on the other side of town.
eed216 No.573780
>>573767
M1911A1 is underrated though but a good gun
eed216 No.573781
0a64c0 No.573782
>>573767
But anon, its a gun that America knew like its second thumb on their right hand
How is that underrated?
d70f46 No.573785
>>573578
>G3
The absolute pinnacle of battle rifles design. A beauty to shoot with, no idea why people complain about the recoil. Also smells good
t. someone who was issued with one
635407 No.573799
>>573777
Heh, isn't she supposed to get figered by the Krauts a second time in near future?
0a64c0 No.573805
>>573785
>smells good
Tell me what it smells like, and i've smelled alot of mechanical things in my life but try and use everyday occurrences as a frame of reference so i won't get confused. I'm not that great at English. I have difficulties reading the Bible in English, it seems so surreal, its like i'm back at first grade
>>573789
>isn't* my bad
Why do you need to apology anon? you dindu nuffin.
7db90c No.573817
>>573799
If you're talking about the A3 upgrade then I'm not sure who got that contract. Still, she's going to lose a lot of weight while keeping what counts - not bad considering she's getting into middle age by now.
fd6b31 No.573837
>>573805
Not apologizing my Polish friend, just pointing out that the other guy meant to say that the 1911 isn't underrated, and corrected himself in the next post, which you didn't acknowledge when replying to him.
d70f46 No.573876
17ae47 No.573878
dfdc4f No.573879
>>573749
If there wasn't Dr. Evil laughter I'd be ashamed. At least control world events with some flair, y'know?
>>573763
Yeah, except this time we don't have "break glass in case of emergency" Germans. What would a German-reworked F35 look like?
>>573529
What should I look for when buying an FN-49? Is 8mm Mauser still easy to find or should I dig for a 30-06 gun?
60c733 No.573907
>>573879
7mm FN's are cheaper to feed than the 8x57 and 30-06 guns. The 8x57 guns were Egyptian contract guns and look beat to shit like any well used surplus. Mines accurate enough.
dbab47 No.573909
>>573907
>7mm FN's are cheaper to feed than the 8x57 and 30-06 guns.
In Canada, maybe. .30-06 and sometimes 8x57 is cheaper and much more easier to find than 7mm Mauser in the States
60c733 No.573911
>>573909
Prvi good sir. 139gr stuff usually is 14 a box. This is why online shopping exist.
dfdc4f No.573999
If ammoseek is to be trusted, 30-06 has a lot more in the 40-60c/round range, but it's all steel cased. Is that an issue with these or no? Everything brass costs about the same across the 3 calibers. Spoonfeed me on terminal ballistics, is one significantly better than the others or are they all about the same?
>>573907
There's an Egyptian on gunbroker right now that's tempting, not even very worn.
>>573911
God bless the Serbs, I love prvi
60c733 No.574007
>>573999
8mm and .30-06 are ballistically similar where as 7mm is fairly flat shooting and has less recoil than the aforementioned two. Steel cased .30-06 is fine for plinking ammo, it ain't anything impressive on paper.
4625b6 No.574008
>>573785
>>573805
>smells good
So what is everybody's favorite smelling gun? I'll nominate the M39.
8fbc6a No.574010
>>574008
I'd have to agree with you on the M39. It's either the arctic birch or the finish the finnish used on the gunstock that smells nice.
60c733 No.574012
>>574010
>>574008
Suomi stocks also have that same cancerous smell. Its beautiful.
635407 No.574017
>>573817
I'm pretty sure it was the HK guys again. In any case, it is no longer a case of her making some mistakes in her past if she's literally going to do it again in the future. And if that's the case, I remain steadfast in my claim that she deserves to be bullied.
7db90c No.574021
>>574017
Is it at least gentle/teasing levels of bullying? If she's going back to H&K voluntarily then maybe that's just what she's into.
da2873 No.574027
>>574008
Aussie Lithgow SLRs with the coachwood furniture
6a356b No.574131
>>574008
Any rifle soaked in Cosmoline.
57fdaa No.574137
>>573878
You're digging yourself even deeper.
t. Idnonesia
bba589 No.574178
>>573837
>I switch countries all the time for fun
>no one says anything or tells me to stop shitposting impying
>America messes up flag
>Everyone knows it wasn’t a joke
17ae47 No.574181
>>574178
Well at least I learned something.
8b0f98 No.574831
>>573529
How is the s&w m&p 10 .308 for an entry-level rifle?
da2873 No.574835
>>574831
>>>/QTDDTOT/
If they're anything like the M&P15s, they'll be good
8b0f98 No.574839
3b7b42 No.575113
>>573578
pretty sure 3rd pic is a PTR not a G3
221004 No.578139
>>573566
>UK flag
Every time
9135c3 No.589950
96d6fc No.589954
>>573566
>bullpoop
>literally the worst bullpoop
England, not even once.
0580bc No.589976
>>574021
>If she's going back to H&K voluntarily then maybe that's just what she's into.
Your raifu's literally cucking you, and you're telling me it's alright with you?! The Empire has truly fallen.
0f0e7d No.589985
>>589954
You're forgetting that the famas exists
71e0f8 No.590120
>be the single greatest bolt action service rifle ever fielded
>outnumber the M1903 three-to-one, despite being a 'second line' rifle
<burgers hate it because 'not muh Springfield'
<refuse to adopt it after the war to keep the government arsenals in business
<then not fifty years later they turn around and close the arsenals anyway
<most of them ended getting dumped into third world shitholes as 'military aid', else getting surplussed and bubba'd into durr rifles
You will not find a better rifle that was more undeservedly shit on during its service life.
0c6810 No.590130
>>589985
The FAMAS is quite a nice rifle if it didn't depend so much on frogmunition.
I wonder what HK would have done to fix it.
4fedd8 No.590133
>>590130
HK probably would have replaced the lock in it with something out of a G3 or just gone the AR route.
99a2ba No.590184
>>590130
>>589985
>>590133
Didn't we have a thread about this recently, called 'Adieu FAMAS' or something? I don't remember much of it apart from the fact that op was more of a faggot than usual, like he'd drunkenly stumbled here all the way from Twitter or some such shithole, but yeah, IIRC they're replacing it with a piston AR or something (by HK or SIG, I'm not sure).
92d747 No.590185
>>590184
Yes, but that thread was about the HK 416 becoming France's new service rifle. The kraut and the leaf are talking about what would have happened if the FAMAS got the L85 treatment and received a comprehensive refit by Heckle my Koch.
99a2ba No.590186
>>590185
Yeah, and I'm basically saying as far as I recall the leaf's hypothetical scenario is true.
92d747 No.590188
>>590186
Fair enough. Still would be interesting to see what HK would have done with the FAMAS without replacing it though. Of all the fully-fledged bullpup designs that actually went into service EM-2 as nice as it is never actually went into service it's probably the best.
97b0ee No.590309
>>590188
>EM-2 as nice as it is never actually went into service
Why do you have to hurt me like that m8?
000000 No.590898
>>590120
1917 is a nice rifle, but my Springfield shoots legitimate 1/2 MOA. The reputation is deserved.
09bbb8 No.590941
>>573578
>substantially more accurate than either the FAL or M14
Not true. FALs are more accurate than G3s by some way. Psg-1s and autism accuracy variants are very accurate but that does not reflect G3s as a whole.
92d747 No.590944
>>590941
Makes sense. Accuracy is all about consistency, including consistency of lock-up, and there's a lot more room for minute variations of lock-up in a delayed blowback system.
09bbb8 No.590946
>>573672
>tfw it probably killed kikes
What conflict do you think that was involved in?
bb2878 No.590956
>>590188
>never actually went into service
But it did though, it was adopted for a couple months in 1951 before Churchill was elected and took the "become a slave to NATO/the US" pill
b6ee45 No.590987
Everything Yugo is underrated because it's not "muh chrome".
4fedd8 No.591011
>>590946
Anything from 51 to 70. Its got some well use wear to it.
36abb3 No.591174
>>573529
I have a soft spot for the BM59 and I don't know why.
adf5ca No.591185
>>591174
I have a huge hard on for M14s and M1 Garands so a quirky Italian qt is just perfect. Well, it and the Lahti L39.
366c18 No.591199
For me, it would be the Girandoni air rifle (Windbüsche). It was the first repeating long gun to have adopted by an official military (Austrian imperial army) and it was carried during the Lewis and Clark expedition to demonstrate in front of Native Americans.
It also shows that the American Founding Fathers did not intend to limit the 2nd Amendment to just flintlock muskets and hatchets.
http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/military-history/lewis-and-clarks-girandoni-air-rifle/
8f5663 No.597654
>>573879
I'd say go for an Argentine navy fn49 if you've got the money
6b8dcd No.597666
>>590956
The version of the EM2 adopted before Churchill canned it was chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO.
It was canned because the design could not be mass-produced at reasonable cost in the UK, not because of caliber fuckery.
f0ae5a No.599766
>>590120
>be the single greatest bolt action service rifle ever fielded
Better than the mauser 98/k and mosin nagant?
7a5e45 No.599770
>>590120
It's a good marksman rifle but it's not a good service rifle. There is nothing to this day that lights a candle to the Lee-Enfield as far as Bolt-Actions go.
>>599766
That's not exactly a hard achievement.
5b842c No.599776
>>599766
I get the Mauser, but why on Earth would you consider the garbage rod among the best bolt actions?
f1a29c No.599921
>>599770
>There is nothing to this day that lights a candle to the Lee-Enfield as far as Bolt-Actions go.
The Lee-Metford / Lee-Enfield was and is a soup sandwich; it's only as good as it is because you spent the better part of 60 years iterating upon the design, making incremental updates and modernizations.
Furthermore, you understand the Pattern 14 was originally intended to replace the Lee-Enfield after coming face to face with its shortcomings during the Second Boer War, right?
>>599766
>Mauser 98
The P14 / M1917 was basically the Brits taking the Mauser 98 and continuing to improve upon it, so…
>>599776
>Mosin
meme value
e68cf4 No.600007
>>573578
It might have its positive sides but as a reloader I do greatly dislike the way the g3 and all variants of it chew up brass.
f0ae5a No.600008
>>599776
it doubles as a broom, and oar, a pole vault, beam of wood, and overall disposable?