/k/ - Weapons

>it's time we had a discussion about the direction the board is heading in, specifically concerning moderation.

Down the god damn toilet like it always has been. Not your fault it is just the way things go, blame Poole if you need to blame someone.

Word of advice: if we notice moderation, the moderation has a big chance of being too heavy handed. Not saying you should let leftists endlessly smear shit all over the damn place, we are a bit more dignified than /liberty/, but mostly leave it to that my dude. Kill a commie every once in a while and let the actual humans scream at each other and handle their own business.

Well, good to have a meta thread to act as a shit magnet. Hopefully, we'll drain all the heavier shitposting here.

Boss strelok has been alright so far, but it might be a good idea for him to visit /tg/ to talk to chrow. He's done a really good job running /tg/ and it might give our BO some ideas.

Remove leftypol, blatant shitposting, honeypot/irc shills, and similar actively and clearly detrimental posts. Don't touch anything else. You touch innocuous political banter, which is always going to be a constant if there's flags, and quality will drop even further.

>>567918

The hands-off moderation is fine but if possible I'd like a reduction in some of the blatant political shitflinging as long as it doesn't infringe on my ability to bait burgers with national stereotypes. It's generally pretty easy to spot the newfags wherever they've shown up from and what we actually need more than moderation is for anons to ignore + report the (1) and done bait.

Also please quickly look into Karl's post history if he shows up again so we can find out what/where else he's been posting on /k/.

>>567922

>Boss strelok has been alright so far, but it might be a good idea for him to visit /tg/ to talk to chrow. He's done a really good job running /tg/ and it might give our BO some ideas.

This is a good idea.

>>567930

>calling for a reduction in the freedom of others speech without infringing your own and the surveillance of posts cross-thread.

What the fuck happened to this country, you don't think its a fundamental abuse of what anonymous imageboards are supposed to be about when you try to crosslink users posts together? Corruption in the name of good only serves to corrupt good.

Not sure how you want to mod things (I've always been a fan of hands off moderation for everything apart from spam, cp, and off topic posts), but one thing you should consider is the long game: 2A is big, and will continue to be big. The left truly do want to get rid of it. The left also consider the *chans to be a place where there are dissidents that counter their bullshit (look at /v/ during gamergate, or /pol/ on most left issues). You and I may see this place of little consequence in terms of just shooting the shit about guns and posting funny memes, but the left wing see boards like this as a threat to their power. Put two and two together, and eventually leftists will find a way to try manipulate or control here or cuckchan's /k/. Mark my words, this will eventually happen. The banning of youtube gun vids is a canary. You need to somehow factor this into your long term mod outlook.

Moderation should be kept to a minimum. What's killing /pol/ is mods enforcing their retarded personal views on others through bans, thread removals and bumplocks.

Remove only spam and if someone goes full retard then let him be punished by being mocked by others.

You're on anonymous board so get used the the fact that its content is going to be different from normie gun forum.

>>567918

>new boss strelok

I wasn't even aware there had been a handover. Anyway as far as moderation goes I'd agree with the consensus so far that a hands off/bare minimum approach is preferable. Ideally /k/ is somewhere you can post about weapons and related topics in a fairly casual manner without also having to deal with undesirable spam threads, bestiality etc. mentioned in the OP. Dealing with political baiting I suppose is a bit touch and go. I think that action should only be taken against leftards when it can be identified as a raid. The occasional debate with an anti-gunner that's wandered in is beneficial as I think it's best to engage with the enemy every now and then lest you forget how to fight them. That's all I think really needs to be done.

>>567943

>Yes, I know webm related was by a commie band

Communists may be disgusting but I'll be damned if they haven't made some good tunes, particularly the Russians. Can't say the same for that particular webm though.

>>567954

>I wasn't even aware there had been a handover.

>>557850

>>567954

>Can't say the same for that particular webm though.

It's extremely rough but that's an very important song in music, it was one of the first true industrial songs. If you like Nine Inch Nails, Death Grips or late-era David Bowie you partially have that song to thank. I picked it because >Zyklon B

>>567955

Was that really only a month ago? Feels longer.

>>567955

>it's still up

God I'm fucking daft. Thanks.

>>567970

/tv/ is an example of how quickly a board can go to shit if it's not moderated correctly. So many meme and clickbait threads.

>>567970

Seconding this. Half the time I can't tell if it's reddit shitstirring/COINTELPRO or some recently redpilled idiot doing backflips over shit that happened a week ago.

>>567983

I unironically believe this is a good idea, for somebody like me it's almost impossible to post with my flag on.

>>567988

i think everone just hates your country for making tavors honestly strel-jew

>>567983

But that's the only thing keeping the Indians away.

>>567995

SUPERPOWER BY 2020

>>567988

Is the bullying actually that bad? do you have khazar milkers?

>>567979

This mindset is why you can't criticize Trump on /pol/.

>>567983

>i think race/countrybaiting should warrant a temporary ban

Redwood is that you?

>>567983

Maybe certain streloks should grow thicker skin and stop chimping every time some faggot posts a goblin picture, or calls Europe a caliphate.

>>568007

Why not just have flagless fridays or something? sounds like a fun experiment imo.

Also, learningcode just showed up so prepare for board quality to take an even bigger nosedive.

Funny how he shows up after the chesscuck martian got b&.

>>568010

The board isn't fast enough for that.

>>567918

If your board is (((politically))) targeted, you either fight or get conquered. There's a reason why cuckchan /k/ is nothing but cuckery. They were conquered by kikes.

Bitch about /pol/ if you want, but every shill resource that exists has been thrown at it, and the catalog remains high quality.

>>567988

Gas yourself.

>>568015

>

I use this board to discuss skills/DIY stuff and share books. So long as PDF trading and discussion of tactics are left undisturbed things should be fine. Moderators are supposed to prevent spam, remove unrelated topics, and prevent the government from killing our fun. Overstepping boundaries on moral reasons is usually what cancerifies communities so light-touch moderation should be key. As far as shitposting about flags goes, it's on the individuals to stop acting like 5 year olds and take the amerimutt jokes with a grain of salt. If it offends you it probably applies to you, and that's YOUR problem not the moderator's.

>>568010

>flagless fridays

or just git gud.

>>568022

>git gud

Don't you have a flag to go plant, marvin?

>>567922

I'd second taking a look at how /tg/ does things, Chrow's been alright so far. Light-handed moderation is best moderation; and never make an "apolitical" rule unless it explicitly targets lefties. "apolitical" communities pretty reliably get overrun by lefties sooner or later unless they make it clear that lefties are unwelcome.

>>567918

I, for one, am appaled that the QTDDTOT is now cyclical. I don't mind the cyclical apsect, I mind that an American made it. It should be a Canadian as per tradition.

>>567983

If us leafs can handle leafposting memes than you can handle the occasional huemonkey and >taurus shit.

>>568033

I think it's fun to have some country related bantz as long as you don't overdo it and end up completely derailing a good thread. Helps make you harder skinned to boot.

Besides at the end of the day, no matter our differences, at least we're not those sheep-shagging New Zealanders. :^)

>>567918

honestly I feel like it's perfect

>>567988

>posts this

>gets Hermann Hoppe dubs

You're funny, we'll gas you last.

>>568011

>six hours

>his shit thread is still up

He's a global. Isn't he?

>>568116

No, because he got banned from the news boards.

If learningcode sticks around without being banned on sight it's a pretty huge indicator the vols are in league with the faggot (see: /pol/ and /zenpol/).

Recently he only ever shows up when a board's population isn't fully chesscucked or in full shitpost mode.

Speaking of chesscucks and learningcode, what alternatives are there if this /k/ succumbs to subversion?

Are there any, or are they all compromised by now?

>>567921

Just curious, how exactly would you go about fixing /liberty/? Like you said heavy-handed, easily noticeable moderation isn't good, so you couldn't just ban anyone that posts lefty shit on there. Would removing all the pro-lefty flag options be enough? I feel like a fair few are on there just so they can put their contrarian flag on and LARP as an agitator.

>>568135

Not buying it. Do your worst.

>>567983

You can choose to hide you flag when you post if its that big of an issue. It's opt-out.

>>568146

>>568149

>assuming he was being serious

Poe's Law strikes again it seems. Then again it was a leafposter, so who can tell.

>>568146

The first two points were the gun violence numbers which where inflated due to suicides and acidental firing so of the 8% of crime in 2011 only 0.16% was gun related homocide, suicides being also unrelated to guns since places like Japan exist. The second point was bullshit as well as the number of DGUs was way to low at 0.8% due to accounting for all cases of gun violence, not if the person had a gun on/close to him or even if he owned one but all victims of gun violence in 2011 so of course the number is really low like that. But in all honesty the real DGU number is so often biased towards the researching party its hard to get a clear number anyways. The third point had to do with gun safe zones but like I said I stopped at half-way when It got deleted so I don't know what the numbers was and the fourth I don't remember.

>>567918

>meta thread

>>>/v/

we have a sticky for this you autist. additionally literally nothing has changed with the way the place has been moderated. youre just a shitstirring drama queen.

>>568168

For fucks sake Pedro, learn English. I know nothing has changed in the way the board is being moderated. That's the fucking point of this thread. /k/ has historically had lax moderation but now catalog quality is declining with a steady stream of retards coming in from reddit/halfchan (essentially synonymous at this point).

>>568132

>Mace of Molag Bal on the wall

But why?

>>568208

Its a piece of shit that belongs on said wall.

>>568210

Sure, it's better off in Godsreach museum, but why is it there in the first place?

>>568211

Sometimes folk like shitty museum pieces in their bunker.

>>567943

>"good"

It feels soulless.

>>567983

Sometimes it can be funny though, but I think we should get rid of flags.

Are we being subverted/ raided? I mean, virtually every second board seems to be under some sort of subversion or raid in the past couple of days, but that could be my paranoia speaking. But the amount of activity seems to have doubled at least.

>>568174

so you admit to wanting more moderation? maybe reddit is more your thing. mods ban every off color post there.

>>568221

The constant bans on /pol/ are causing that board to bleed users and its having a chilling-effect on what people feel they can say there. it makes sense to me that it's having ripples across the website. if the same thing happened on /v/ you can bet every other thread would be FPS games.

>>568132

>Sorry anon went to bed early

You've done alright so far, cunt, but maybe you need one or two other vols with very similar views, but located in different timezones.

I'll throw this out there for anyone who isn't familiar with rachposter (as if any legitimate newfags ever come here anymore), I'm not advocating for immediate banning of anyone who questions weapons.

You can easily win over a logical mind, and the occasional emotional fuckwit spewing soccer mom tier arguments is easily refuted.

Rachposter is neither one of those, he goes to imageboards with the specific intent of subverting and destroying them board by board, and no matter how well worded your argument is, or how sound your logic, he will always pull something out of his ass to derail the topic at hand into a nebulous shitfest with no clear goal.

He's a big part of why /pol/ went to utter shit and why the news boards are utter trash.

>>567979

It's almost certainly refuse from political boards who know little to nothing about weapons but are more than happy to comment on politics. They are honestly interested in weapons, but they only lurk long enough for that Dunning-Krueger confidence to set in, and then they let loose with fuddlore-esque "knowledge" and bad opinions. It's been on the rise after the post-Parkland astroturfing and it's reaching a fever pitch now.

This is what killed /tech/ and it can kill /k/ if we're not diligent about it. This is not directed at the board owner but rather at the people on this board: Spend less time getting indignant over gun grabbers and talk about guns. Tell us about your last trip to the range, your dream raifu, military dick measuring, anything but crisis actors and faggot politicians.

>>568015

My case in point. You deserve to be bullied for believing this false crisis.

>>568237

Somewhere along the line, people's brains broke and they felt the need to respond to every single bait post, no matter how obvious it is. Seeing reactions to Rachposting is a good barometer for how infested a board is by this issue.

>>568239

>Somewhere along the line, people's brains broke and they felt the need to respond to every single bait post, no matter how obvious it is

I hate to be that one faggot crying reddit, but that really is mostly a redditor issue.

They're pretty much the only outsiders who bother with this site (other than the bernds who are familiar enough with imageboards to not shit themselves at the first sign of a (you) trap, and shills who stand out like a sore thumb outside of the political boards), and spotting them is pretty easy.

For the most part /k/ has avoided their presence due to redditors generally being hoplophobic cucks, but when t_D's precious zog emperor decided to backstab his largest voter base they immediately went full damage control and one or two of them leaked over here as evidenced by the chesscuck martian and at least one leaf (assuing they aren't the same faggot) defending his blatant intent to infringe on the second amendment and the resulting cuckery of at least two """republican""" governors as a direct result of his rhetoric.

>>567983

>[Spear chucking intensifies]

>>567988

I sincerely wish that you and your countrymen had to post everything everywhere with your country flag on. Everything. Particularly in real life.

>>568239

>false crisis

So you're one of those "shills don't exist" types?

keep it like it's been for years now. I don't know what political baiting is new, politicians are traitors or enemies and should be named as such. beast or brownpill are clearly just spam.

If you want to change the board, then you're objectively worse than old BO. I'm not saying that yet because I've been away too much, but the fact we have to keep hearing from you means you're trying too hard.

>>568431

Shills exist but if they are shilling they are doing it elsewhere. There's no reason for shills to shill here since it is such a tiny board and their efforts would be far more worthwhile on larger boards and sites.

>>568457

After /pol/ and /leftypol/ this is the most active board that discusses anything remotely politically related.

>>568047

A tree for hanging or the tree you get that gets planted in israel with your name on it from "Naive JUST fuck my shit up, fam among the nations" award?

>>568315

we really need someone making decent 3d zardoz masks, instead of those /po/ paper ones

>>568315

we really need someone making decent 3d zardoz masks, instead of those /po/ paper ones

oh well fuck me for double posting. I don't enable js very often.

I haven't been here for a few months and I mostly lurked because in a lot of cases I was just not knowledgeable enough to contribute.

That has changed, and not just because I have become knowledgeable enough for most threads, but because most threads back then were highly technical where as today, there are a lot of rather stupid threads. Most of them require just an opinion and not knowledge of the subject, which is bad for the board. The worst offenders are the circlejerking threads like the one about the FAL that's up right now.

>which x is the best and why is it y?

is something I hoped I would never see here.

As long as opinion threads like this are not killed by the community by telling these people to go back to wherever they are from, board quality is going to decline.

About six months ago, this place was free of Lockheed Martin astroturfing/fanboys and one could actually discuss the F35 mostly in peace. I fear that that may not be the case any longer.

I don't think this is a specific moderation issue, it is much more of a meta issue, but it has to be adressed before half of the threads are x-general.

If you want one of those, go to half chan /k/, there usually is no need to make a duplicate here.

>>568215

>>568264

The song is from the 70's, it was before people really understood how to make industrial.

While I wouldn't listen to it on the regular myself, it'd be unfair to say it wasn't ambitious considering how there wasn't much before then that sounded like that.

>>568239

Teach me to not be a fudd oh wise one

>>568662

Do you worship .45 ACP like the second coming of Christ?

Do you have a hatred of polymer or “plastic” stocks and will lay your life on the line for the honor of wood furniture?

If you answered no to either or both of these than you are already leaps and bounds ahead of your average Fudd.

>>568315

/pol/ is getting better, much like death is an improvement for a man with multiple malignant tumors. They managed to chase off Kamfy, the vol/BO? That kept pushing the Trump shit, but unfortunately it was too little too late. All the posters worth a damn left a long time ago to other sites or to other boards like /polk/.

>>568666

yeah it's dead. But heil is just the new name for kikey or whoever or whatever group has been running the place into the ground for so long now.

>>569795

That webm is actually why T_D is called that.

>>576200

What about a cyclical politics/mass shooting thread?

>>576333

>What about a cyclical politics/mass shooting

cyclical mass shootings of politicians sound great.

>>567988

SERIOUSLY GOYIM?

Less political shitflinging, I think turning off flags would help that alot since it's basically"/int/ with guns" right now.

>>576347

>Niche joke started by Australians.

Care to spoonfeed? I'm both a lorefag and an ausfag, yet unfamiliar with this.

>>576342

Considering that unknown flag posters such as yourself are the ones causing most of the political shitflinging I think they should stay. Nice to have a quick and easy way to filter a fag.

>>576611

This tbh

>>568237

Over on /tg/ there's a catchall rule:

<Don't Be a Faggot – No posting gimmicks, unnecessary namefagging, or other willfully disruptive behavior.

It's worked out well so far, although it helps that the /tg/ userbase is pretty chill to begin with.

I just don't want to see the place turn into the Libertarian strawman of 'Gee, he's deliberately shitting up the place and making life worse for all involved, but he's not attacking me directly so there's nothing I can do about it.'

>>576342

>Shit up threads with low-effort politics/nationality LARPing using a VPN

>Complain threads are being shit up

>Demand flags are removed

This board has been fine for years with flags, it's the newfags who need to be removed.

Id love to see an end to the "hurrdurr leddit posting" shit every time theres one or two line breaks more than neccesary. Seen more than a few threads derailed by that alone. If theyre spouting shit, thats one thing, but line break before and after a > isnt reddit posting. Ive been doing it since before reddit existed, and it hurts my feefees when people accuse me of it.

>>576694

Just stop adding a linebreak after greentext and you're good, I'm pretty sure that's standard procedure. Two linebreaks in between quotes or in between paragraphs is kosher.

>write shit like this when quoting some fag

Reply immediately under.

>two linebreaks after a reply is fine and makes sense

And no one will REEE about it.

>>576705

Yeah, reddit spacing would be:

>hurr durr ur gay

no u

>56%

rooo, muh london