/k/ - Weapons

>>549492

I think the simplest solution is to make an octagonal extruded aluminium receiver that also serves as the handguard. Just cut lots of M-LOK holes into the area after the trunion. And you can make the top rail part of the extrusion. Or maybe you could get away with not using a top rail at all if it's a bullpup and you mount the optics to the area that also serves as the handguard. Or is M-LOK simply not good enough of a mounting system for optics?

>>549503

Its better, but not by much.

>>549502

What if your handguard gets bent? Then your entire receiver will be bent as well.

Oftentimes receivers are milled from a block of metal. If you wanted to make the receiver and handguard one piece, then you would need to make the handguard milled as well, which is just retarded.

>>549503

I always liked these, but they don't seem like much use on anything besides an RPK.

>>549502

Aluminum handguards are heavy and conduct heat far too easily. They work if you need a freefloat tube but they're suboptimal. Hopefully carbon fibermeme tubes will get cheaper.

>>549503

donkey-dick handguard is best AK handguard

>>549589

Wood is truly the gentleman's choice.

>>549763

I think a better question is does that count as a AFG or a Foregrip to the ATF?

>>549774

I prefer Aero precision but those look good

>>549773

>>549763

No, the better question is, "isn't that gay?"

>>549799

IF I WANT TO GIVE MY GLOCK SOME BALLS IT AIN'T NOBODIES BUSINESS

>>549589

what stock is the first one?

>>550053

http://blackgunswood.com/products.html

>>549589

>first image

Is that freefloated, and if yes where can I find one?

>>549497

try holding a Vepr. RPK carbines are horrible.

>>549502

>Or is M-LOK simply not good enough of a mounting system for optics?

What's so special about M-LOK anyway? Is it just a meme layer to put between the handguard and picatinny rail?

>>550280

The advantage is that you can mount lights and shit directly to the M-LOL cutouts instead of having to use a Picatinny rail. That way, you can have a handguard with 360noscope mounting points without the extra weight and bulk of a quadrail.

>>550226

I don't have experience with carbon fiber handguards, but with compound materials in general.

They are real shit for handguards in theory. You see, compound materials consist of two parts: a maxtrix, which is some plastic or resin, and a fiber, usually carbon, glas or aramid. There are multiple methods to manufacture them, but that's not the point.

The material you get can only really take forces in the direction the fibers are placed, even coming from more than 6° angle will reduce strength by more than 90%. This is why the fibers are woven into a fabric and then placed into the matrix. This way forces can be applied from all directions, but you also increase the thickness (and thus the weight, which is the main advantage of reinforced fibers anyways, so you lose your main advantage).

You CAN save a lot of weight using reinforced fibers, but only if you can predict what forces will be applied from which direction. This is why they are used in cars and planes, but not for the hull, rather for beams on the inside. You can save a lot of weight (and thus fuel, and increase max cargo) that way.

Handguards however must be resilient from forces from all sides and angles. No matter if there is a blow from the right or the rear or from some strange angle inbetween. This means that you must use multiple layers of woven fabric, greatly increasing thickness and weight.

Another thing about reinforced fibers is that it is extremely hard to diagnose them, and they lose strength when they get damaged. So if a blow to the side of a handguard would just put a dent in it if it was made from aluminium, or possibly crack it if it was made from wood, then it would cause tiny fractures and delaminations (two or more layers of fabric breaking apart) in reinforced fibers, which you can't see, and will only notice once the part breaks apart after another couple of blows. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that reinforced fibers are somehow weaker, but if they get damaged you won't know. With metal you can see the dents with your own eyes, but with fibers you need to employ advanced (and really fucking expensive) ultrasound diagnostic tools.

Overall, they have a reason to be used, but the way we see them used now as a "black metal" doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

>>550280

A comparison between it and keymod was published by socom 11 months ago.

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/05/details-on-the-ussocom-sponsored-keymod-vs-m-lok-test-conducted-at-nswc-crane/

>>550232

IIRC I pulled that from WoodForAR (.com).

They're out right now, but it's a small shop … write to them about a free-floated wood handguard. Pretty that is, indeed, what you're seeing in that image.

>>550223

That wasn't me, was it? … No … so! You're wrong.

I have that site bookmarked … but they don't make a freefloat or round handguard. Well, I guess they have a "traditional" rounded carbine drop-in, but not that round.

Mostly Black Guns Wood is known for triangular maple handguards. Very pretty, worth a look.

Even though the owner clearly doesn't want my business (I wanted a very pale, unfinished wood set to stain myself)

>>554810

That handguard was meant for shooting competitions were cutting down the weight is important (run and gunning, tri-gun and whatnot).

For any civilian purpose (HD, competitive shooting, SHTF), a -reasonable- CF handguard will do just fine. I wouldn't issue it to your average grunt and expect it to go on after a couple of retards have handled it.

>>554831

I wouldn't expect it to withstand being dropped from chest height with a rifle on the other end.

>>552489

t. fudd

Modern rifle needs a minimum of flashlight and optic

>>552572

Why can't these niggers just use aluminum like normal people?

>>554893

There is a lot more than a flashlight and an optic on that shit.