c5e673 No.537773
Scenario:
>alien invasion
>aliens are incredibly weak, mollusk-like animals that are about 3 meters tall and weigh 200kg
>they arrive in a 10km long cylindrical ship made out of an asteroid that only has small shuttles accompanying it
>their orbit is geostationary above the pacific ocean at the equator
>they have incredibly precise orbital artillery consisting of large metal rods that drop down from orbit and use a rocket booster to accelerate further beyond impact
>the ship is equipped with a laser defense system that can burn nearby satellites and target incoming projectiles
>because the aliens are so frail, they instead rely on remotely controlled drones to fight battles, these drones are battery powered and can operate continuously for 12 months
>these drones require communication with the mothership, meaning they need to establish a net of satellites around earth to communicate with them
>there is a limited supply of these drones, but if they secure a landing zone they do have the capability of building a factory for them
>the designs include large tracked vehicles, fighters comparable to current gen 5 planes, and various smaller vehicles intended to engage infantry or fight in cities
>if worst comes to worst for them the ship has 100 500kt nuclear warheads
>their demands are not acceptable and the world's militaries have all agreed to cooperate in fighting them
How do we stop them?
036be9 No.537779
>>537773
>How do we stop them
Goat piss bombs.
e7ed0d No.537793
34cb15 No.537801
I assume if they run out of bots they colony drop earth so no one can have it? Objective should be to take out the ship, its the only way to win. Prevents colony drop and shuts down all their bots.
We seem to have the advantage over them in numbers and nukes, I'd limit the bots spread conventionally for as long as possible while putting nuke factories and space fighter factories into overdrive.
Its ok if the aliums set up their own factories, if we get a proper orbital ship up there it can do battle with them and rape them with lasers or HPVM, after that it doesn't matter how many factories they got as their control center is down.
34cb15 No.537803
Basically distract the killbots with wave after wave of my own men while I build ships to fight the enemy.
2e57d7 No.537809
>>537773
>their orbit is geostationary above the pacific ocean at the equator
So they're sitting in the same spot 24/7. It's simple, we bore holes into the earth in the Nevada desert with shaped, nuclear charges and digging machinery. These holes will be angled in such a manner that they are either pointed directly at your ship or at an angle in which the projectile will be launched in orbit around the earth to slam into the side of your ship (whichever gives the best chance of hitting/penetrating your ship). Then we fill the hole with lots and lots of nukes. The next step is to make the projectile. Think of an oversized, metal manhole that sits above the borehole. The nukes detonate, the energy travels up through the tunnels and launch as many of these things as we can make at your ayylien vessel. Then we kill each other fighting over the tech on your crashed ship. The French will want to cook and eat you, just be prepared for that if you happen to survive the landing.
7ddf5e No.537810
>>537773
>>the ship is equipped with a laser defense system that can burn nearby satellites and target incoming projectiles
I doubt a 10km cylinder would have enough of it to be reliably protected from a rain of 10k angry terran ICBMs launced at it simultaneously.
996c09 No.537811
The best defense is to reduce their communication capabilities. There would be three primary strategies to accomplish this: satillite killing, outpowering with RF, and denonating nukes in space for their ionization effects. These strategies would be most effectively deployed at the moment the aliens attempt to establish a factory. It would be that moment when their logistics and resources would be the most strained, and being in space, high proability of irrecoverability. Constantly broadcasting with the intent of reflecting ithe alien's carrier frequencies in the atmosphere will prevent the aliens from doing much on the planet itself. We would also have the matter to outlast them in this front.
The aliens will try to coherese humanity by dropping a rod or a nuke on a city. There is little we can do about that except force the citizenry to evacuate, scatter, and dig in to reduce effectiness of these weapons. High body counts are unavoidable. However, this threat the aliens propose is shadowed by the fact that they somehow need our cooperation, which is why they have contacted us. Since the aliens have advanced robotics, it would not manpower, nor would it be conventional resources such as water, as they would tell us to stay out of their way if that was the case. This most likely suggests they would us to do something on our part, or keep the planet uncontaminated. It is highly proable that the aliens using nukes would jeoprodize their mission.
384147 No.537817
>>537773
>>the ship is equipped with a laser defense system that can burn nearby satellites and target incoming projectiles
id surround their ship with water via orbital mechanics and then just have my way with it via nukes or do some x-com tier tech stealing shit
c5e673 No.537818
>>537811
>This most likely suggests they would us to do something on our part
Good question, the aliens' demands are an immediate surrender followed by the genocide of the human race so they can occupy Earth. They will have no moral issues with killing as many humans as they can but would want to preserve as much land as possible for colonization.
d5d604 No.537821
>these drones are battery powered and can operate continuously for 12 months
we can do too, just give every soldier enough meth to out operate them drones and the rape them
or we use all non europeans as cannonfodder/distraction and real people end them, solving 2 problems at the same time
rate and subscribe
3289b8 No.537829
>>537773
I would encourage peace between our species through copulation for pleasure and fun. I would be prepared to do my part, of course.
But seriously, what kind of civilization travels hundreds if not thousands of light years through space just to come and colonize a ball of moss? Surely any resource that an alien civilization might need could be found in greater abundance elsewhere in the galaxy than on Earth. If the alien home world was suffering from overpopulation, then they clearly have the technology to survive in space. Why not colonize a planet that is closer to home and doesn't have any pesky life forms already inhabiting it? And what kind of intelligent life finds other intelligent life in the universe and says to themselves: "You know what, I think I'll completely erase this other species from existence because they're sitting on a rock that I'd like to sit on."
>>537818
If the alien's goal is to preserve as much of the Earth's surface as possible, my suggestion would be to hold the Earth hostage, so to speak. Threaten to use all the chemical, nuclear, and biological weapons that we have at our disposal on ourselves, forcing the aliens to at least listen to our demands. Presumably the aliens wouldn't be so keen to conquer an Earth that was nothing more than a smoldering ball of radiation and noxious waste.
9081eb No.537830
>>537829
>spoiler
gay niggers from outer space
6a6f15 No.537837
>>537829
OP's acting like a faggot DM who just watched (((Jack Black))) die in Mars Attacks. He's obviously just going to write around every solution posted.
c5e673 No.537842
>>537837
>tfw I was just elaborating on a point I left out
Please no bully, I just legitimately thought leaving it so vague was an issue for people
242564 No.537852
Aren't you all ignoring the fact an alien race advanced enough to bring war assets to our planet likely has a means to collect/remove radiation? I mean, we already have the means to do it in small lakes and such, albeit expensively.
fa2f73 No.538036
>>537773
Standard operating procedure should be to shoot down any UFO attempting any sort of abduction supply or terror mission, and recover them by sending in teams of completely expendable rookies armed with oversized cattleprods to capture alien commanders.
That way we can attempt to reverse engineer their equipment and interrogate them to find out the weaknesses of the mothership before planning and launching a final assault.
f79969 No.538046
Is the Ayy's shit EMP resistant?
If not, we miniaturize the Russian's EMP cannon and mount that on everything. Let the ayys build a factory, then quickly seize it for humans to reserve engineer.
If they are EMP resistant, just nuke the shit out of them and call it a day.
d5ed62 No.538085
>>537829
>Threaten to use all the chemical, nuclear, and biological weapons that we have at our disposal on ourselves
That wouldn't work.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667878/
94468d No.538092
What are stats on these killbots?Do they use ballistic weapons?
Short term strat.
>Immediately nuke landing site
>Wage asymmetric warfare on ground forces
>Draft all pubescent males I can
Long term
>Dust off a lot of abandoned weapons projects that were perfectly good, but scraped due to cost such as LOSAT missiles, cased telescopic ammo with RDX based propellant, ACR program gets rebooted
>New nukes developed, Use CRISPR to enhance humans so man to man our soldiers are superior to the drones
>Test limits of EMPs to see if they can harm the drones
>Don't completely crush ground forces so the spacecraft doesn't fuck off
>Launch a shit ton of missiles at it
>As the dummy missiles get shot down a few space craft will set up camp in the asteroid belt.
>Launch second wave of missiles at ship this times some of them will hit.
>When the ship is damaged our guys board the craft and kill the crew
>We the flat out massacre ground forces
>Steal Interstellar travel tech and use genetically engineered legions to launch great crusade
94468d No.538093
>>537829
>Why colonize Earth
Teraforming is a bitch, and probably not possible, because if a planet could host life, it probably would so any planet that is barren is barren because it is outside of the Goldilocks zone. If it's in the Goldilocks and has water it will have life.
>And what kind of intelligent life finds other intelligent life in the universe and says to themselves: "You know what, I think I'll completely erase this other species from existence because they're sitting on a rock that I'd like to sit on."
Competitive exclusion principle.
94468d No.538094
>>538092
>As the dummy missiles get shot down a few space craft will set up camp in the asteroid belt.
Whoops. Missed the part where the ship was right above Earth. Which is weird. Why position yourself in striking distance when you can hit us from much further. I'm sure if they could achieve interstellar travel they can Hit us from Beyond Mars
2e850e No.538113
We throw metal rods from orbit at it too. Ayylens and their shitty lasers can't hit a little projectile traveling at over Mach 10 speeds.
The only downside is that we would have to let the burgers make it and operate it.
a712b8 No.538130
>>537773
Railguns, nigger. Hopefully we can outspeed the ayylazors, if not with railguns then with something else.
Other than that, we need some way to cut comms. Mothership without links to drones is fooked.
Capture drones and study them for weaknesses. Then try to apply that to the ayys' flying saucers. Ex: certain chemical melts the drones, try going at the ships with that.
If all else fails, nuke it as hard as possible.
513a67 No.538134
>>538130
>Hopefully we can outspeed the ayylazors
No need to. Directed energy weaponry is nearly useless vs point blank kinetic weapons.
a1e7af No.538176
Anon, how does this ship get rid of waste heat energy and not boil the mollusks into a french delicacy?
Just throw enough annoying but potentially dangerous at it until it can't use it's laser to shoot them anymore, then use the big guns AKA nuclear lances
<what about their nukes
Anti-Ballistic Missiles
Or just fug them
>>537817
>not realizing how expensive it is to get water into space
>not realizing water would evaporate out of atmosphere
7b5507 No.538190
>Put all our nukes on the rear of the moon
>line them up precisely to the point that if detonated, they would propel the moon into the ayylium ship
This might cause some problems down the road, but it is the best solution for a quick kill shot on the ayyliums.
d62903 No.538199
>China, Russia, and the United States dust off their anti-satellite missile projects
>Refit the Progress MS with weapons hardpoints to act as an orbital interceptor, build and launch as many as possible
>Ditto with the Boeing X-37
384147 No.538205
>>538176
>price is a significant factor when humanity's survival is at steak
7b5507 No.538207
989087 No.538211
d721ff No.538223
>>537773
Invite them over for a cultural exchange
then beat them to death with dragon dildos and moist nuggets
d721ff No.538224
>>538205
after the molluscs are sufficiently tenderized slice them on the bias and grill the resulting steaks with lemon juice and the salty tears of liberals
9fa0d6 No.538229
How much work would it take to build a nuke-pumped laser powerful enough to fuck the xenos ship from the surface?
4c959a No.538230
The real question is if an Alien invasion happened would the wife of a hero allow her husband to keep a hot alien as a sex slave in the basement's spare bedroom.
6b8d71 No.538232
>>537773
Fuck the alien women, thereby ensuring our line is in their ranks. When that is the case, they will willingly join us as "brothers".
9fa0d6 No.538241
>>538234
>Two drunk Russians build an interplanetary relativistic kinetic kill cannon that appears to have been based entirely on the Roadrunner cartoons.
That is possibly the most beautiful thing I can imagine. Can we fire one of these at Mars, to tear a hole in Olympus Mons, just to watch the launch and impact videos.
a712b8 No.538271
>>538234
РУССКАЯ НАУКА — ЛУЧШИЕ В МИРЕ
>>538241
Sure, why not? Science for the science god, motherfuckers.
c5e673 No.538291
>>538092
I would imagine many of the smalled killbots would use microwave based weapons like those the USA developed for defeating riots (but scaled up of course) considering they would have a very limited ammo supply with no established. Larger vehicles would probably use kinetic weapons to defeat armored targets, but I imagine they would be using railgun technology considering their battery capacity and ability to traverse interstellar space. As for their aircraft the weapons systems would probably resemble the laser system the US navy experiments with a few years ago.
36c942 No.538296
>more roleplaying threads
a1e7af No.538300
>>538229
It'd probably be better just to make a yuge missile to shoot just past the atmosphere, then have that shoot the xenos. Even then, we'd be shooting them from 35,000 km away, with a laser (read: with a fuckton of diffraction) and we don't know how tough the enemy armor is. I'm not smart enough to do the math, but http://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent.php#id--Laser_Cannon--Bomb-Pumped_Lasers has a lot of info on how it'd work.
>>538234
Wouldn't the copper just evaporate then?
813266 No.538304
why not just, like, shoot them? send a few astronauts up into space with some neat guided missiles. then nuke the landing sites. or conventionally bombard them, if you're a pussy. if the ayys shoot the missiles just shoot more missiles. this is easy.
0311f7 No.538311
>>537773
>geostationary orbit
>over the pacific
So angry space clams are dropping metal in the ocean? Greenpeace sends them angry radio messages demanding they stop their unprovoked attack on whales. We tow a really big barge out to the pacific and launch a rocket from it to enact Operation Stop That.
0311f7 No.538313
>>538311
goddammit, I forgot to include the tactical drawings of our plan
ea9a1b No.538316
>>538113
You're fucking retarded, learn how to read you subhuman.
d85d63 No.538338
>>537773
Well, goy, you need to teach them how to be progressive. Advise them the inner-workings of Jesus-Christ and how they can be saved if you would only allow them to be divided & conquered.
3289b8 No.538340
>>538085
To be fair, the issue there isn't that the idea wouldn't work, it was the implementation. There's probably a better way to set the weapon system up. Of course, it doesn't preserve humanity necessarily, it just gives us a bargaining chip.
>>538093
Why do the aliens need a planet with atmosphere/liquid water?
These aliens can travel many thousands of light years in space. Clearly they possess the technology required to sustain a population of individuals in a space colony. Why not produce space colonies for less cost and risk? Furthermore, these aliens can't be so afraid that humans might one day destroy them. They obviously have developed technology that surpasses ours by several millennia, if not longer. Any primitive civilization could hardly pose a threat. It's like if an anthropologist discovered a previously unknown island inhabited by natives who have had no contact with the rest of the world for thousands of years, and the anthropologist decide to massacre them all because they could one day build nukes and threaten the world.
12865d No.538377
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>>537773
>switch to electric universe
>tap the electric power the cosmos itself
>fry those ayy motherfuckers
>call Einstein a retarded jew who nearly ruined science
c5e673 No.538417
>>538340
I never thought any of this through when I was coming up with this idea, my best guess is the aliens are quite simply assholes.
a712b8 No.538421
>>538417
>the ayys are assholes enough to wipe out another planet for the lulz
This pleases me, and this pleases me. I rate it 0/0.
94468d No.538543
>>538300
>Wouldn't the copper just evaporate then?
Yep. You jet a 10% lightspeed jetstream of metallic plasma
34cb15 No.538546
>>538234
>>538241
>>538300
>>538543
This would work, it's basically a cheaper version of a Casaba Howitzer.
Casaba howitzers are a bit smaller and use tungsten as "reaction mass", instead of copper
016cee No.538561
>>538417
>the aliens are just assholes
and this is why science fiction films about aliens invading Earth are almost always garbage. Arrival was really fucking cool though, but it wasn't about an invasion
820ff3 No.538709
Tell Muhammad they don't believe in an autistic dessert pedophile kang. The Middle East will in 4 months lead the world in KSP tier rocketry and proceed to jihad the station into oblivion.
fd68bf No.538713
>>538561
well if the aliens aren't assholes then Arrival that's probably the core concept.
94468d No.538714
>>538340
> Why not produce space colonies for less cost and risk?
Artificial environments aren't as sustainable as planets. There's a lot that can go wrong
820ff3 No.538715
>Ayys would attack the areas with highest density first
>wait 2 months
>Africa, Asia, India, are all wipped out while having done lots of damage with Soviet "if they waste all their ammo shooting us we will win" tactics
>Yourup and America attack
>war seems to be at a standstill after more months of fighting
>Canadian and Australian technicians finally decipher their language and hack into the mothership
>Leafs and Aussies given free rein over their communications
>7 days later ayys the few ayys that didn't partake in mass suicides surrender
>Offer technology and weapons to Canada and Australia in exchange for cessation of rampant shitposting
>Canada and Austrialia now world super powers
>race to recolonize destroyed brown lands
>new Cold War starts between Canada and Australia trying to outshitpost each other while maintaining global empires
>shitpost equivalent of nukes gets developed
>80 years later while tensions are highest during the Japanese Image Board Crisis a peace treaty is reached between nations
>built on the memory of comradery during the great Ayy Lamo war
>peace is finally reached for Canada and Austrialia
989087 No.538719
>>538338
>jew them
>not redpilling them so they eradicate the jews with space technology
94468d No.538724
>>537773
>aliens are incredibly weak, mollusk-like animals that are about 3 meters tall and weigh 200kg
Sounds like a concept I came up with, except instead of using robots they have their brains, and vital organs put into cybernetic bodies that pump them full of drugs. They are extremely hedonistic and run a massive slave empire.
4d1266 No.538738
>>538719
>letting ayys exterminate the Jews
No way, that would be like being bullied by the same group of kids from pre-school to grade 12 and in uni and at work and then letting some other dude beat the shit out of them. After all that Jews have done to actual Humans, there's no way I'd just let some group of ayys kill them all.
bf6fcb No.538754
>>537773
I cant believe no one has suggested the old plan drawn up by soviet scientists in case of this happening. Get it together, /k/
>dig a really big hole
>bigger than what you are thinking, by a lot
>line it with concrete
>put a giant metal lid on top
>put a nuke in the hole the size of the Tsar Bomba
>lure spaceship over lid
>touch off nuke
>blow a mile wide hole directly through the ship using the lid like a giant projectile
>essentially creating an extremely large bore gun with a nuclear bomb instead of gunpowder
34cb15 No.538763
>>537829
>war is only over resources
This is a marxist view.
Wars happen over territories, because we have that instinct. Territories of land. Territories of knowledge. Territories of philosophy and culture. Territories of religion.
Largest wars in history were Mongol invasions, Muslim expansions, the Crusades, and two world wars. Mongols didnt do it over a shortage of resources, it was just raw territoriality instinct. The crusades and muslim expansions were religious at their core, its not like arabs badly needed Egyptian resources or theyd starve. World war one and two were ideologically driven fights, mainly caused by networks of alliances going out of control, not by resource shortage.
So aliens can have many reasons for war other than raw resources. In fact war is never just about resources, I cant think of one case in history where two nations liked each other but had to fight over a river or something. Generally of you like each other you can trade.
4d1266 No.538764
>>538754
Not sure if retarded or Burger attempt at shitposting >>538234
bb20e7 No.538798
f32769 No.538860
>>538715
>Leafs and stralians develop MAD shitposts
It'll never end
754d00 No.538906
You guys are all overthinking this, we give them what they want and they'll go away.
820ff3 No.538915
>>538906
If even France >>538911 is calling you out on being a cuck, it must be pretty bad.
989087 No.538931
>>538906
How's that working out for you sven?
269acc No.538946
c2b9d1 No.539023
>>537773
>alien invasion
Seems unlikely that they would invade. If they want our resources they would go for the sun and the asteroids since they're undefended and have way more energy and material than Earth could offer. Also, any alien that has interstellar capability would have ships that could basically shoot nukes at Earth like bullet from a machine gun just to propel their ships.
>aliens are incredibly weak, mollusk-like animals that are about 3 meters tall and weigh 200kg
In the game of military brinkmanship, individual physical prowess is less important than the perception of a species as a whole.
>they arrive in a 10km long cylindrical ship made out of an asteroid that only has small shuttles accompanying it
That they arrived at all, and in span of time they consider acceptable, is a serious accomplishment that we have yet to achieve.
>their orbit is geostationary above the pacific ocean at the equator
Okay…
>they have incredibly precise orbital artillery consisting of large metal rods that drop down from orbit and use a rocket booster to accelerate further beyond impact
I hope you mean they de-orbit rods using rockets, otherwise you misunderstand orbital mechanics.
>the ship is equipped with a laser defense system that can burn nearby satellites and target incoming projectiles
Sensible considering interstellar space is not entirely empty.
>because the aliens are so frail, they instead rely on remotely controlled drones to fight battles, these drones are battery powered and can operate continuously for 12 months
Again, they wouldn't fight battles. If they came to destroy they don't even need to slow down to do it. They just need to aim their ship at where Earth will be, detach their empty fuel tanks, then decelerate their ship so they can inspect the wreckage that was Earth. A 10kg rock fired at Earth at 10% the speed of light would impact with the force of 1 megaton. Random trash jettisoned from their ship could annihilate everything on Earth down to the mantle.
>these drones require communication with the mothership, meaning they need to establish a net of satellites around earth to communicate with them
Yes, broadcast architecture is a great way to control robots while keeping them economical.
>there is a limited supply of these drones, but if they secure a landing zone they do have the capability of building a factory for them
Why build that factory on Earth when the moon is out of our reach, has no significant atmosphere, has much lower gravity, and has all the raw materials for making robots just lying around on the surface?
>the designs include large tracked vehicles, fighters comparable to current gen 5 planes, and various smaller vehicles intended to engage infantry or fight in cities
If they have orbital bombardment capability they have won. There is no reason for them to put even robots in harms way to secure Earth.
>if worst comes to worst for them the ship has 100 500kt nuclear warheads
Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even louder. AH HA HA HA HA HA!
Increase the yield by a factory of 100 and the number by a factor of at least 10,000.
>their demands are not acceptable and the world's militaries have all agreed to cooperate in fighting them
Since they were nice enough to park in high orbit and fight us with robots, we should last just about seven hours. And that's being optimistic.
Pic related. These are concepts of interplanetary craft that would only be capable of moving about within our solar system. Extrasolar aliens would have ships with drive systems orders of magnitude more powerful. They wouldn't just show up one day, we'd seen them coming and there would be absolutely nothing we could do to stop them.
c17411 No.539032
>>537829
>Threaten to use all the chemical, nuclear, and biological weapons that we have at our disposal on ourselves
>Threaten
>not going full Krieg Strategy and doing exactly that
Jurten did nothing wrong
a4a52e No.539055
>>538906
You cheeky cunt. That's a VPN isn't it?
6b8d71 No.539058
>>538300
Exactly.
Basically you've got a death ray.
94468d No.539143
>>539023
A 10kg rock fired at Earth at 10% the speed of light would impact with the force of 1 megaton. Random trash jettisoned from their ship could annihilate everything on Earth down to the mantle.
Waste of a habitable planet.
> If they want our resources they would go for the sun and the asteroids since they're undefended and have way more energy and material than Earth could offer.
Why did we even colonize North America. The sea has more resources than all continents combined? The answer is we can't live in the sea.
>But the aliens can just live in spaceships
No. Artificial environments are retardedly fragile, and cannot sustain a large population for a long period of time.
c2b9d1 No.539188
>>539143
>Waste of a habitable planet.
If they can go to other stars they don't view planets as a place to live anymore. They see all planets, comets, and asteroids as places to acquire material to build places to live. Earth would look like a Homeless Despot to them.
>Why did we even colonize North America. The sea has more resources than all continents combined? The answer is we can't live in the sea.
But you can live in space inside a comfy ship.
>But the aliens can just live in spaceships
They would have to be able to for the decades or more likely centuries that it takes to go between their nearest outpost and Earth.
>No. Artificial environments are retardedly fragile, and cannot sustain a large population for a long period of time.
They would have to be able to for the decades or more likely centuries that it takes to go between their nearest outpost and Earth.
Space is ridiculously YUGE. If you made a model of the solar system small enough to fit in a matchbox the closest star system to us, the Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri systems, would be hundreds of miles away. Space is not an ocean dotted with islands. It's a vast frozen, radioactive desert with the occasional fleck of colorful dust.
94468d No.539192
>>539188
If they have FTL travel they could colonize planets instead of living in a fragile space ship. You can't really grow food on a ship
>Muh hydroponics
Absolute shit compared to a nice planet with a healthy biosphere. You can't have sustainable food production without ecosystems
6037f5 No.539200
An interstellar civilization wouldn't even need to dirty it's hands with a fight, they'd just engineer some viruses targeting whatever they didn't like and cleanse the planet.
>>539143
>>539192
Those are problems that WE have.
If they can reach other planets, they have already dealt with and overcome those problems.
94468d No.539203
>>539200
Wiping out an entire species with a virus is impracticable, especially a species with medicine.
>>539200
The laws of physics, and chemistry don't magically change when you get more technology. They'd still have to deal with food production. They'd still need a large biogeochemical and energy cycle a la an ecosystem. The only reason we can grow plants is because of various organic and inorganic compounds in the soil. These chemicals are produced by countless microorganisms. The only way they could replicate this is if they built a mobile planet, and with the energy it takes to build a planet you could travel from one end o the galaxy to the other several times in a moderately large ship.
c2b9d1 No.539204
>>539192
FTL travel violates the known laws of physics. The closest we can get to it is space warping that requires anti-gravity and only works in abstract math, and quantum tunneling that only works at the sub-atomic scale. The latter has real-world application…in computers. Entanglement would only be useful for communication, not travel.
>You can't really grow food on a ship
Yes you can. Several experiments have shown that food will grow in low gravity. And there is no reason to think that it would need to grow in low gravity since gravity can be simulated in a rotating system.
>Muh hydroponics
>Absolute shit compared to a nice planet with a healthy biosphere. You can't have sustainable food production without ecosystems
Yes, hydroponics can be used to grow a lot of food in space. Growing food in an artificial environment is quite easy and has been done both experimentally and commercially for decades. It's not the dominant form of food production because rural land is priced cheap, but in space it would absolutely be the go-to source of food.
On top of that, no inhabited planet would be habitable to the aliens. They, being aliens, will have alien biochemistry incompatible with Earth. Even if they were carbon-based (something I'm assuming is true since the number of O-chem molecules is larger than the number of inorganic molecules), they evolved on a different planet in a different system under a different star. They will have taken a radically different path than we have. We would have more in common with jellyfish and oak trees than with these aliens.
And even if they could terraform Earth, a process that likely would require thousands of years worth of our sun's total output to complete, they would still only get one planet. A single Dyson sphere as originally proposed, a cloud of orbiting space stations and solar panels, would be able to house more people than could live on all of the planets in all of the solar systems in our galaxy. A K3 civilization isn't one that colonized a planet in every system, it's a civilization that built a Dyson swarm around every star. Each system could sustain trillions of biological people and still keep them spread out so much that they could go their entire lives without seeing a single other person in-person. Again, space is big.
58d389 No.539209
94468d No.539211
>>539204
This has nothing to do with gravity. It has everything to do with biomass and energy. when they grow plants in space they use fertilizer form Earth.
>On top of that, no inhabited planet would be habitable to the aliens.
If they're biochemically similar to us then they could live here. The only way something could live in a radically different environment from Earth would be if it wasn't carbon based because their chemical components would denature. Tl;dr The tolerances for carbon based life are pretty tight so planets that hot then are probably similar.
>>539209
>The sun isn't nuclear it's electric
Nah. Even then there's ways to weasel around those laws. See Alcubierre drive
94468d No.539213
>>539204
>would be able to house more people than could live on all of the planets in all of the solar systems in our galaxy. A K3 civilization isn't one that colonized a planet in every system
Calling bullshit on that one. It's matter of material for housing. I would bet my left nut that couldn't get enough mass from one solar system to match every planet in the galaxy.
94468d No.539214
>>539213
Another thing. How the fuck are they going to grow things in separate space stations? One planet wouldn't be able to produce enough nutrients to sustain a population as large as you suggested, and an artificial environment wouldn't be able to produce them. Sage for triple post
c2b9d1 No.539216
>>539211
>This has nothing to do with gravity. It has everything to do with biomass and energy. when they grow plants in space they use fertilizer form Earth.
Oh dear Dog, you are that dumb. You do realize that the chemicals used in fertilizer on Earth exist elsewhere in our solar system, right? And that a nitrogen atom from Earth and nitrogen atom from an asteroid are chemically identical, right?
You don't need to bring shit from Earth besides the crew and the seeds. Everything else, from the water and fertilizer to the steel for the interstellar ship, can come from asteroids and the local star.
>If they're biochemically similar to us then they could live here.
No, they can't. Like I said before, we are more similar to jellies and trees than they will be to anything here, and we can't live in the ocean or photosynthesize. They would not be able to survive in our environment without a suit even if they breath oxygen.
>The only way something could live in a radically different environment from Earth would be if it wasn't carbon based because their chemical components would denature.
Do you have any idea how many iterations life went through on this planet before anything even remotely resembling humans appeared? Do you not know how wildly it has varied in all that time? All the dead ends that died out for minor mistakes or through no fault of their own? Billions of years with trillions of generations of constantly changing strains and species, over 99.9% of which are now extinct. Even the tiniest change to that lineage at any point in our pre-history could have led to something else becoming the dominant life-form on Earth or prevented anything from becoming intelligent at all.
These aliens would not be compatible with Earth, would not have a language we could speak, and would probably view us in the same way we would view bees that live on the side of a volcano: a curiosity that displays a certain level of intelligence, but not a serious threat. And they would have no trouble wiping us out with minimal effort and at no risk to themselves.
>See Alcubierre drive
See >>539204
>The closest we can get to it is space warping that requires anti-gravity and only works in abstract math
Do you know how to create or simulate negative mass? Neither do I.
>>539213
Calling bullshit on that one. It's matter of material for housing. I would bet my left nut that couldn't get enough mass from one solar system to match every planet in the galaxy.
You're not building planets, you're disassembling them to make eggshells. There is enough matter in our solar system to build rotating habitats that could theoretically house trillions of biological people at absurdly low population densities. Make the people cyborgs or digital constructs and the number of individuals can go even higher.
>Another thing. How the fuck are they going to grow things in separate space stations? One planet wouldn't be able to produce enough nutrients to sustain a population as large as you suggested, and an artificial environment wouldn't be able to produce them. Sage for triple post
Again, you're not growing food on a planet and shipping it off-world, you're taking the planet apart and building soda-can space stations that can house thousands of people or grow thousands of tons of food every year. And yes, an artificial environment can be used to produce large quantities of food, and that food can be harvested with robots rather than people.
Please tell me that you don't also believe in a flat earth too.
c2b9d1 No.539228
For anyone interested in at least getting a grasp on possible future civilizations, possible alien contact (not bloody likely given the absurd rarity of habitable planets in the galaxy), and how wars in space might be fought I strongly suggest the following:
>Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g
>ATOMIC ROCKETSHIPS OF THE SPACE PATROL at Project Rho
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/
>Cody's Lab
https://www.youtube.com/user/theCodyReeder
>Fraiser Cain
https://www.youtube.com/user/universetoday
>John Michael Godier
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEszlI8-W79IsU8LSAiRbDg
It's a lot to take in but you will learn a lot about what is possible (not necessarily likely) and get a good grasp on the realities of life in space and the scale of spacecraft. What you see in the movies is there because it looks good or because it's an analog to modern-day things the author or director wants to make a point about.
MacGuffins can be useful in fiction but they don't exist in the real world. The real world runs on fundamental laws, and knowing those rules makes it a hell of a lot easier to shape the world around you to your liking.
f5e4f8 No.539229
>all these posts about Soviet plasma manhole cover launcher
>can't find jackshit document about it on Jewgle
Please provide assistance.
c2b9d1 No.539233
>>539229
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob
>Propulsion of steel plate cap
>During the Pascal-B nuclear test, a 900-kilogram (2,000 lb) steel plate cap (a piece of armor plate) was blasted off the top of a test shaft at a speed of more than 66 km/s (41 mi/s; 240,000 km/h; 150,000 mph). Before the test, experimental designer Dr. Brownlee had estimated that the nuclear explosion, combined with the specific design of the shaft, would accelerate the plate to approximately six times Earth's escape velocity.[8] The plate was never found, but Dr. Brownlee believes that the plate did not leave the atmosphere, as it may even have been vaporized by compression heating of the atmosphere due to its high speed. The calculated velocity was sufficiently interesting that the crew trained a high-speed camera on the plate, which unfortunately only appeared in one frame, but this nevertheless gave a very high lower bound for its speed. After the event, Dr. Robert R. Brownlee described the best estimate of the cover's speed from the photographic evidence as "going like a bat!"
Hope this helps.
d8552b No.539237
>>538377
thank you for this. I have been looking for this kind of shit for a while.
c2b9d1 No.539243
>>538377
>>539209
Well I'm convinced. All of known physics, including the stuff that can be demonstrated in laboratory settings, is wrong. The Sun is a solid iron sphere and planets gave birth to comets through lightning storms only a few thousand years ago. Could this have been the work of Zeus? I'm not saying it was aliens, but…
Here's my proof:
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iky2k8MtMno
Checkmate, physicists.
94468d No.539258
>>539216
>You do realize that the chemicals used in fertilizer on Earth exist elsewhere in our solar system, right?
Ohh I didn't know there were organism elsewhere in the solar system that produce those chemicals.
>Even if they breathe oxygen
Considering every other carbon based lifeform we've encountered does they would too.
>Do you have any idea how many iterations life went through on this planet before anything even remotely resembling humans appeared? Do you not know how wildly it has varied in all that time? All the dead ends that died out for minor mistakes or through no fault of their own? Billions of years with trillions of generations of constantly changing strains and species, over 99.9% of which are now extinct. Even the tiniest change to that lineage at any point in our pre-history could have led to something else becoming the dominant life-form on Earth or prevented anything from becoming intelligent at all.
Non-sapient life is more fragile. Even then that doesn't help your case considering we could still live in the same climate as the dinosaurs if we had a time machine. If they're carbon based they probably come from a planet with liquid water and never exceeded 140°F. As I said before carbon-based macro-molecules can only exist within a certain goldylocks zone of conditions. Meaning if you said "What if Nitrogen is highly corrosive to them?" I would call you a dog dick sucking retard and tell then that would mean that it would also be corrosive to us.
>Again, you're not growing food on a planet and shipping it off-world, you're taking the planet apart and building soda-can space stations that can house thousands of people or grow thousands of tons of food every year. And yes, an artificial environment can be used to produce large quantities of food, and that food can be harvested with robots rather than people.
Holy fucking shit you are a dumb piece of shit. How are you going to fit enough people to fill every planet in the galaxy in a bunch of space stations made from one planet and some asteroids? And no, you wouldn't be able to grow food. The only reason we can do so on Earth is because Earth is a bunch of interconnected biomes that cycle nutrients and energy into eachother. This shit won't work in a vacuum, retard. Before you act like a smug cocksucker with that "Please tell me that you don't also believe in a flat earth too." shit read some ecology books, you inbred, shit eating, kid touching, sperm guzzling, faggot.
25e2c0 No.539267
>>539258
>Considering every other carbon based lifeform we've encountered does they would too.
Vast majority of bacteria are not obligate aerobes, some are obligate anaerobes. Oxygen breathing is a 800 million years fad in a 4 billion years old life on Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event#/media/File:Oxygenation-atm-2.svg
Recently there have been discovered full blown animals modified into completely anaerobic life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loricifera#In_anoxic_environment
94468d No.539268
>>539267
But the majority of macroscopic life breathes oxygen.
94468d No.539270
>>539268
And hydrogenosomes are less efficient than mitochondria, hence why anaerobic organism are smaller.
25e2c0 No.539273
>>539268
>>539270
Agreed to both but you were talking as if these were absolutes.
94468d No.539274
>>539273
You're right. I should have said any large intelligent organism.
c2b9d1 No.539277
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>>539258
>Ohh I didn't know there were organism elsewhere in the solar system that produce those chemicals.
I'm going to try to explain this as clearly as possible. Organisms don't produce elements heavier than hydrogen, stars do. All of the chemical compounds that do exist or can exist are made of the same roughly 100 elements. More are possible but they are so short-lived that they usually do not appear in nature in significant quantities except in the immediate aftermath of a supernova.
These elements exist in all star systems in varying quantities. All elements are made of protons, neutrons, and electrons. The number of protons determines the what an element is and what many of its properties are.
Isotopes are variants of a chemical element which differ in the number of neutrons they have. Most elements exist in a stable or semi-stable state by incorporating neutrons, a neutral particle, into the core or nucleus. This adds to the mass of the element and can have some impact on the characteristics of a specific isotope, but the differences are usually minor at the macroscopic level. The ratio of isotopes of particular chemical elements varies from star system to star system. That is to say, if the ratio of element A is 30% A-13 and 70% A-17 in our star system, we would expect it to be a different ratio in another star system. Perhaps 46% A-13 and 54% A-17. The ratio of isotopes is different, and the prevalence of that element is also likely different, but the chemical still exists in both star systems and can still form the same chemical compounds.
A plant doesn't need to be covered in a million bacteria or have its energy fields activated by crystals to grow. Most plants just need water, carbon dioxide, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Some plants do take advantage of other elements but the vast majority of plant fertilizers, organic and synthetic, consist of the same three elements: nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Other ingredients are usually biologically inert and unnecessary.
This is why I said that the chemicals needed for growing plants exist elsewhere. Because the same elements exist everywhere in the universe. The ratio of isotopes and the availability of specific elements is going to be different but the building blocks are going to be the same because the laws of physics are universal. As Garl Sagan would say, everything from the galsium in our teeth's to the garbon in our abble is maded in the inderiors of gollabsing stars. We are maded of star stuff's.
>Considering every other carbon based lifeform we've encountered does they would too.
I wasn't aware that anaerobic bacteria needed oxygen to live. Or are you claiming they're not carbon-based life?
>Non-sapient life is more fragile.
Really? Pillbugs and roaches can survive way more radiation than humans. Jellyfish are some of the oldest animals still alive. Millipedes are one of the oldest land animals and they're structure is practically unchanged from over 400 million years of evolution.
>As I said before carbon-based macro-molecules can only exist within a certain goldylocks zone of conditions.
Is that why Titan has oceans of hydrocarbons? Because it's in the perfect goldylocks zone for life?
>if you said "What if Nitrogen is highly corrosive to them?" I would call you a dog dick sucking retard and tell then that would mean that it would also be corrosive to us.
Box jellyfish venom is extremely toxic to humans and most fish. Not so much to the box jellyfish. We have no issue with chocolate, but it's poison to cats and dogs.
Now consider that these extrasolar aliens have evolved on a different planet, around a different star, and that their evolution took a wildly different path than our own. If they tried to eat anything on Earth they'd get sick, and certainly wouldn't be able to get any nutritional value out of the biomass they ingested since the proteins would be totally alien to them. Incompatible biology is incompatible.
>How are you going to fit enough people to fill every planet in the galaxy in a bunch of space stations made from one planet and some asteroids?
Not from one planet, from all the planets. Again, we're talking about hollow habitats. Earth alone has a mass of about 5.972 × 10^24 kg. That's a 6 followed by 23 zeros worth of raw material to work with. We live on Earth so we're probably not going to disassemble it but Venus is the same size and nobody lives there so why not?
These aren't going to be planets. They're relatively thin shells, rigid bubbles filled with air and people. Vid related. Please watch. You can start at the 12:00 mark.
c2b9d1 No.539278
>And no, you wouldn't be able to grow food. The only reason we can do so on Earth is because Earth is a bunch of interconnected biomes that cycle nutrients and energy into eachother.
Yes, you would be able to grow food. NASA has been doing it for years.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/10/nasa-astronauts-lettuce-vegetables-grown-space
>This shit won't work in a vacuum, retard.
You grow the plants on the inside of the ship, not the outside.
>read some ecology books, you inbred, shit eating, kid touching, sperm guzzling, faggot.
Is this a joke?
c2b9d1 No.539279
>>539274
>You're right. I should have said any large intelligent organism.
But that's not necessarily true either. It's true here but if life manages to evolve on a planet orbiting a dimmer or brighter star the conditions may be more favorable to anaerobic processes. It's even possible, though very unlikely, that complex life could emerge on a rouge planet around geothermal vents. The point is that you can't take humans and project our biology onto potential aliens by assuming they will be like us.
1016d9 No.539300
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>>539211
>Even then there's ways to weasel around those laws.
According to them you can't bend the concept of space more than you can bend the concept of spurdo spärde. If they are right, then reality is not some simulation that you can hack.
>>539243
Because inventing a new theoretical matters or subatomic particles every few years is surely a better explanation that electric forces. It's not just mystic mumbo-jumbo at all, because priests scientists can demonstrate them on computers set up in laboratories. Never mind all those crazy theories that say stuff like that lightning is the result of particles coming from a supernova, and thunderstorms might cease once those particles stop coming.
34cb15 No.539312
>>539188
>>539200
>i know what aliens are going to think because reasons
Yeah very dependable opinion chap.
STOP MAKING THE MARXIST ARGUMENT THAT WARS ARE OVER RESOURCES, FAGGOT
Wars are NEVER purely about resources, that doesn't even make sense.
c2b9d1 No.539336
>>539300
That we don't have all the answers yet is not a good reason to throw away our entire understanding of physics built up over centuries of research for some half-baked nonsense that proposes provably untrue woo. This guy just does not understand what he is talking about, and he is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect because he is convinced that he is right in spite of his ignorance.
Another gem of wisdom from the EU: impact craters are actually caused by lightning storms.
Impact craters on the moons and planets through out our solar system have been replicated in labs and computer simulations to a high degree of accuracy. Hell, the impacts that create them have been observed directly in nature. This is something that has been understood since the invention of gunpowder. The alternative hypothesis proposed by the EU cranks, that craters are caused by electric discharge, has not been demonstrated in controlled conditions or observed in nature.
But hey, Einstein and Bohr were Jewish so I guess you can't trust anything they said about physics.
Pic related. Watching those cringy videos is like passing this kidney stone.
c2b9d1 No.539339
>>539312
You misunderstand. The big kahuna for interstellar aliens is going to be the sun, not Earth. They wouldn't kill us off because they want the rolling green hills of Ireland, they'd wipe us out because they don't want uppity primitives mucking with their Dyson swarm. They would be expanding into this system for the energy resource that is our sun.
c2b9d1 No.539347
>>538738
>that would be like being bullied by the same group of kids from pre-school to grade 12 and in uni and at work and then letting some other dude beat the shit out of them
I'm confused. When in history did the Jews, who only sort of got Israel back in the 20th century, have the resources to wage wars or put people in concentration camps?
>After all that Jews have done to actual Humans
What have they done, exactly? This is K not POL so this is a bit off topic but I'm still curious. What have they done that was so egregious? They didn't kill Jesus, that was the Italians. Some did become prolific bankers but they didn't invent banks or the banking practices that a lot of people dislike. Some were communist but a lot were also fascists, a third of Italian Jews were members of the Fascist party.
They've never been strong enough to be a threat to anyone so I don't understand why anyone would hate them so much.
1a4ab7 No.539349
>>538234
>worlds first relativistic projectile weapon
>its pretty much a nuclear potato cannon
ayy blyaaa
>>538417
Maybe they hate us for religious reasons? That's what I always though about Signs.
1016d9 No.539357
>>539336
>That we don't have all the answers yet is not a good reason to throw away our entire understanding of physics built up over centuries of research for some half-baked nonsense that proposes provably untrue woo.
That's exactly what they are saying about relativity.
>The alternative hypothesis proposed by the EU cranks, that craters are caused by electric discharge, has not been demonstrated in controlled conditions or observed in nature.
So far this is indeed the case. And do you know what else wasn't demonstrated in controlled conditions or observed in nature? Black holes.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=16_GuYobDZ4
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=QBorBKDnE3U
34cb15 No.539359
>>539339
WARS DO NOT HAPPEN PURELY OVER RESOURCES YOU COMMUNIST TURD
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
5ddb36 No.539361
>>539347
>K
>POL
Lurk 2 years before posting again faggot.
c2b9d1 No.539362
1016d9 No.539365
Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play. >>539362
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-1
>Cygnus X-1 (abbreviated Cyg X-1)[12] is a galactic X-ray source in the constellation Cygnus, and the first such source widely accepted to be a black hole.
So they think it's a black hole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*
>Sagittarius A* (pronounced "Sagittarius A-star", standard abbreviation Sgr A*) is a bright and very compact astronomical radio source at the center of the Milky Way, near the border of the constellations Sagittarius and Scorpius. It is part of a larger astronomical feature known as Sagittarius A. Sagittarius A* is thought to be the location of a supermassive black hole,[6][7][8] like those that are now generally accepted to be at the centers of most spiral and elliptical galaxies.
Again, they think that it's a black hole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
Click on any of them, you'll find the same kind of description.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole#Man-made_micro_black_holes
It doesn't say anywhere that they ever managed to produce one. But I actually took the time to read it, and lo and behold:
>Stephen Hawking also said in chapter 6 of his Brief History of Time that physicist John Archibald Wheeler once calculated that a very powerful hydrogen bomb using all the deuterium in all the water on Earth could also generate such a black hole, but Hawking does not provide this calculation or any reference to it to support this assertion.
> A paper by Choptuik and Pretorius, published on March 17, 2010 in Physical Review Letters, presented a computer-generated proof that micro black holes must form from two colliding particles with sufficient energy, which might be allowable at the energies of the LHC if additional dimensions are present other than the customary four (three spatial, one temporal).[
c2b9d1 No.539369
>>539359
I am not a communist.
Please enlighten us. What causes wars?
>>539365
The thing about black holes is that they're black. They don't emit light so they can't be seen directly. Their existence can be inferred based on their effects on their surroundings.
Imagine you were in a sealed, transparent box, with a bunch of sand spread over the bottom of the inside of your box, and a speaker was in another sealed, transparent box with a bunch of sand spread all over the bottom of that box. If you observed that the sand in your box moved around the floor when you yelled really loudly, and you observed that the sand was moving around in the speaker box in the same way, you could infer that the speaker was producing sound and when by observing the sand in its box even though you wouldn't be able to hear the speaker. You don't need to see the sound waves traveling through air, or hear them to observe their effects on things they interact with.
Cygnus X-1 is likely a black hole. Sagittarius A* is a absolutely a black hole. They have been observed in nature. We don't see them because they don't emit or reflect light, but we know they're there by the effect they have on nearby objects.
>>539361
I wasn't aware that weapons and war was code for "JEEWWWSSSSS"
a1e7af No.539382
>>539058
>>538543
Wew.
>>539200
>implying that knowledge of FTL = mega advanced civilization
For all we fucking know, the "secret" to FTL is something so retardedly simple that we could've discovered it in the 17th century had we been paying attention.
c2b9d1 No.539387
>>539382
>For all we fucking know, the "secret" to FTL is something so retardedly simple that we could've discovered it in the 17th century had we been paying attention.
https://eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf
You read that one too?
94468d No.539394
>>539277
>>539277
>I'm going to try to explain this as clearly as possible. Organisms don't produce elements heavier than hydrogen, stars do. All of the chemical compounds that do exist or can exist are made of the same roughly 100 elements. More are possible but they are so short-lived that they usually do not appear in nature in significant quantities except in the immediate aftermath of a supernova.
I never said that they make elements. What they do is take elements and simple compounds and make them into macromolecules that are usable to larger organisms such as plants.
>A plant doesn't need to be covered in a million bacteria or have its energy fields activated by crystals to grow.
It needs trillions of them to facilitate various chemical and energy cycles.
>Really? Pillbugs and roaches can survive way more radiation than humans.
I'm not talking about physical durability. I'm talking about resistance to extinction. I'm sure that some robust insects like the ones you mentioned could out endure us, but technology can keep us going in a situation that would kill off other animals.
>>As I said before carbon-based macro-molecules can only exist within a certain goldylocks zone of conditions.
Is that why Titan has oceans of hydrocarbons? Because it's in the perfect goldylocks zone for life?
Nope, too cold
>Box jellyfish venom is extremely toxic to humans and most fish. Not so much to the box jellyfish. We have no issue with chocolate, but it's poison to cats and dogs.
Box jellyfish venom is a complex molecule synthesized by an organism and coco is a plant; neither is a prominent feature in out atmosphere.
Not from one planet, from all the planets. Again, we're talking about hollow habitats. Earth alone has a mass of about 5.972 × 10^24 kg. That's a 6 followed by 23 zeros worth of raw material to work with
Still not equal to all the planets in the galaxy.
>You grow the plants on the inside of the ship, not the outside.
Still wouldn't work for more than a few decades at best due to a lack of large scale ecosystems
>"Kelly activated the seeds in the production bay and rooting “pillows” – chambers of clay, fertilizer and water – on 8 July, more than a year after the seeds were launched into orbit."
Yep they get fertilizer from Earth. Read the articles before you link them.
>>539339
You can't live on the sun, and as I've stated before you can't live in space stations without parasitizing a planet with a biosphere.
>>539359
We haven't exploited our planet to the point where vital resources are that scarce. So you are right. But if we get the tech to travel to other solar systems we might exterminatus some ayys for real estate.
94468d No.539395
>>539394
The best solution would be to turn Earth into one giant ass farm
c2b9d1 No.539402
>>539394
>I never said that they make elements. What they do is take elements and simple compounds and make them into macromolecules that are usable to larger organisms such as plants.
I don't know how I can make this point more clearly. Chemists can take the same hundred or so elements and use them to create a copy of those natural chemical compounds but do it in a lab. These artificial copies are exactly identical and no living organism can distinguish the artificial one from the natural one.
The source of a chemical doesn't matter, the arrangement of the atoms in that chemical does. Got it?
>It needs trillions of them to facilitate various chemical and energy cycles.
Then how have astronauts been growing lettuce and beans in sterile labs in space for years? Are you going to claim that ISS, Mir, Skylab, and all of the STS and Soyuz mission and experiments were a hoax?
>I'm not talking about physical durability. I'm talking about resistance to extinction.
Then we're a very untested candidate. As I said before, there are a lot of animals on Earth that have been here for hundreds of millions of years, and undergone only very minor changes to their biochemistry. Modern humans have only been around for about a quarter to a half a million years, and we've only been civilized for about 10,000 years. Life does not necessarily lead to intelligence. If it did, we wouldn't be the only intelligent high-technology species in Earth's history.
>Box jellyfish venom is a complex molecule synthesized by an organism and coco is a plant; neither is a prominent feature in out atmosphere.
Those are just two examples of chemicals produced on Earth by life that evolved here which is incompatible with other life that evolved here. The point was that all life that evolved here is distantly related to all other life, and yet what is normal and healthy for one species is still toxic or unpleasant to many others. Aliens from another world will have no relation to any life on Earth, and will be even less likely to have any compatibility with any biochemistry native to Earth. Sugar would likely be as toxic to them as theobromine is to cats and dogs.
>Still wouldn't work for more than a few decades at best due to a lack of large scale ecosystems
You can't be this dense. You just can't. No one is this stupid. This has to be a troll. I applaud you, good sir. You baited me, and I bit down hard.
94468d No.539406
>>539402
> Chemists can take the same hundred or so elements and use them to create a copy of those natural chemical compounds but do it in a lab. These artificial copies are exactly identical and no living organism can distinguish the artificial one from the natural one.
They can't fuel an ecosystem with it, bud. And its not as sustainable.
>Then how have astronauts been growing lettuce and beans in sterile labs in space for years? Are you going to claim that ISS, Mir, Skylab, and all of the STS and Soyuz mission and experiments were a hoax?
The article you posted mentioned that they bring up fertilizer from Earth. Learn to read.
>Still wouldn't work for more than a few decades at best due to a lack of large scale ecosystems
>You can't be this dense. You just can't. No one is this stupid. This has to be a troll. I applaud you, good sir. You baited me, and I bit down hard.
If you have an IQ above 45 you shouldn't need me to explain why your plan is impossible. You should already know why a bunch of free floating satellites can't have a biosphere. Please cite someone other than some syfy blogger with a lisp
6a6f15 No.539437
>>539406
Stop posting ugly jewesses.
94468d No.539443
>>539437
>That ass
>That smug face
>Ugly
You're just a queer.
6a6f15 No.539446
>>539443
>beak nose
Nobody wants your daughter, Mr. Shapiro.
94468d No.539447
>>539446
Nothing wrong with a big schnoz as long as it's straight and is balanced with the rest of the face.
don't disrespect Abigail's khazar milker
6a6f15 No.539450
>>539447
That fucking nose ain't straight. It droops down, like her cable-suspended saggy semitic tits over her boxed body she has to twist to even slightly look human. Take your kikebait to the oven, and jump in with it.
a1e7af No.539452
>>539443
Are some kind of tasteless nigger? Her face is fucking ugly m8.
e7ed0d No.539455
>>539443
>>539447
Don't you have an oven to jump into, Chaim? You can jerk off to your disgusting whore in there.
94468d No.539457
>>539455
>Not colonizing non white women with your dick
989087 No.539458
>>539457
I wouldn't commit bestiality.
0136e8 No.539464
>>539458
>He doesn't want to black genocide via erasing the black race from importing millions of white men
>While simultaneously keeping the white race alive at home
94468d No.539466
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>>539464
>This
You just go in, slaughter the men and dick the women
989087 No.539467
>>539464
I'd rather just kill both, because mulattoes look even worse than negroes.
like they're dirty as opposed to just black
94468d No.539474
>>539472
Who said anything about bringing them home?
6a6f15 No.539477
>>539474
I thought you were going to say something about not impregnating them, but it seems you can't even pretend you want that to happen. Africa is fertile land, and needs to be put to good use. It was colonised for a reason.
3ac23e No.539482
>>539477
>It was colonised for a reason.
Yes, it was.
c6a6c8 No.539496
>>539406
Say what you want about how attractive she isn't, that's a helluva shit eating grin.
989087 No.539500
>>539482
>negroes
>oriental
>using oriental as synonym to exotic, even though not everything exotic comes from the East
???
94468d No.539535
>>539496
You can't deny that ass. Plus butterfaces have an appeal to them because you can have easy access to a nice ass, or pair of tits.
64ffba No.539540
8198ef No.539545
Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play. >>539369
>The thing about black holes is that they're black.
No, the theory says that they aren't black and they aren't holes. A black hole is supposed to be extremely dense "concentrated mass" that somehow fucks up reality due to being so dense. And apparently light can't escape from it for some reason, because apparently light too is magic and not just a form of electromagnetic radiation.
>They don't emit light so they can't be seen directly.
But they are supposed to block all light, not simply be non-reflective.
>Their existence can be inferred based on their effects on their surroundings.
Only if you assume that certain effects are caused by black holes. They are important for mainstream cosmology, because they want to explain all celestial movements as the result of gravitational forces, hence they need these super-dense objects to explain certain things. This is also why they invented dark matter. Plasma cosmology doesn't need these.
>we know they're there by the effect they have on nearby objects.
Again, those effects can be the result of electric force, but if you assume that electric force doesn't have an effect, and want to describe everything with gravity, then you can point at every source of x-rays and claim that they are black holes.
25e2c0 No.539554
>>539443
You know what rhymes with uncanny?
Trannie.
25e2c0 No.539555
>>539458
There are times when HORSE PUSSY is a preferable alternative to homosexuality.
25e2c0 No.539556
>>539545
>they aren't holes.
Their density amid the void make them pretty much the opposite if a hole.
>they aren't black
They absorb light so technically they are black.
6a6f15 No.539611
>>539482
>(1)
So this is your new republican angle? Nobody's gonna oil drill, no matter how much you try to push it with your "alternative" media as popular. Fuck off, jew.
94468d No.539657
>>539555
>Those wasted trips
>That post
Leave to the Greeks to take shit too fucking far.
3ac23e No.539661
>>539611
>maybe if I holler about Jews enough it'll make Italians stop fucking black women
34cb15 No.539686
>>539545
Its easier to think of gravity as time-density.
The time around a black hole is very dense, which is why it moves slowly.
The deeper a photon moves into it, the slower it moves, until it stops.
c7f03a No.539709
>>537773
Aliens would just use chemical weapons which would kill us in an instant. There weapons would be so vastly superior to ours, a resistance would be impossible. And if that isn’t true, it’d be a surprise how they’d ever get interstellar travel in the first place.
bf6fcb No.539710
>>539661
Italians are barely white anyway tbh
c7f03a No.539712
>>538763
Land is a resource. And what kind of alien has human instincts.
94468d No.539726
>>539712
>Human instinct
Survive and reproduce? Every living organism.
9cb2dc No.539734
>>539726
eh in our travels across the vast infinitely large space we will probably find at least one /leftypol/ prime where the sentient life forms ended up being like pandas and died by just not reproducing.
94468d No.539742
>>539734
>Achieve fully automated luxury communism
>Nobody has to do any sort of labor
>People just lay around in their vr pods that pump them full of drugs and suck them off with fleshlights
>AI that manages everything realized that keeping the meathbags alive is a waste of energy and resources
>Doesn't need killbots or anything
>Just cuts off the drugs and lets them die from withdraw and starvation
Yeah I can see that happening
9cb2dc No.539745
>>539742
The first two lines of your post is pretty much my nightmare. I've seen what shit like social programs and videogames have done to humanity and that's horrifying enough, the idea that people can one day live with no struggle at all is worse than anything Lovecraft could come up with.
94468d No.539747
>>539745
Always remember that that;s the end goal of the left. You could ask /leftypol/ and they would tell you that FALC is the the end goal
9cb2dc No.539749
>>539747
Of course it's the endgoal of the left, those cretins think that everyone in the absence of labor will create beautiful art and shit when in reality all human accomplishments, and in my opinion humanity itself has been created out of pain and hardship. The humans who were born with a silver spoon 20 inches up the ass ended up like Marx himself.
9cb2dc No.539750
>>539749
since I'm already drunkenly rambling I might as well bring up that thing /pol/ talks about every once in a while
Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times
something like that
94468d No.539753
>>539749
Anyone have the retarded screencap where some /pol/lack said basically what you said and some retard went ballistic and ranted about his family's piano and "muh blue collar arts" how capitalism killed art because people don't have time to practice the arts due to work. He forgot that much of that art was inspired by work, and hardship. What the fuck kind of artistic inspiration could you get from sitting on your ass all day?
>>539750
Eh, good times don't really create weak men. Constant hard times wear a society down. And there will always be conflict due to the basic nature of the universe.
0850fb No.539786
>>539742
>>539745
>>539749
Do you degenerates not remember the spergout US had in 1950s when Soviets refuted your notion of fully automated CAPITALISM? You went as far as declaring that Soviets think Cybernetics a pseudoscience.
Full automation of society is a concept of Right-wingers. Even today robots are touted as something that makes Communism irrelevant, since it will somehow abolish all work.
a1a63a No.539810
>>539742
>Achieve fully automated luxury communism
>Nobody has to do any sort of labor
>People just lay around in their vr pods that pump them full of drugs and suck them off with fleshlights
This is actually the plot for an old scifi novel by James Gunn. In a world where a way to isolate, copy and inject memories and skills has been found, technology skyrockets until everything is automated and nobody has to work.
The original plan was that there would be a few handy people working for free as a hobby doing upkeep because AI can't fully emulate human judgement ability. The hobbyists eventually die out because it's a thankless labor when everyone else has devolved into druggies getting high and living through injected dreams, because there is literally nothing else to do when every necessity is provided by robots.
a1e7af No.539811
>>539387
Nope, but it seems like a good read
b4355a No.540337
>implying we don't just hire will Smith to fly a drone up there and nuke their as from inside.
539306 No.544509
>>537773
>10km ship
This sounds like a job for: Царь Бомба
5677c5 No.544568
Directed energy. Place a large laser prograde of the ship's direction of travel and slowly deorbit it using burnoff from where the laser is hitting
396829 No.544755
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>539810
>guy who directed slither and guardians of the galaxy wrote a novel about a ww2 vet that has to select a millennial to run the world
20e8db No.544819
>>539661
>>539710
>continues splurging about miscegenation fantasies
>x is not white
cf49cf No.545449
>>537773
jack off on their big gay heads.
3bc056 No.545452
Imagine a loli invasion scenario?
c30b49 No.545603
Why don't we hack into the mayynfrayyme and spam sonichu comics? The sheer autism will drive them to mass suicide.