/k/ - Weapons

also .357 is much more customizable. you can use a fast, penetrating load or a heavy, slow tumbling round so don't feel left out fortyfudds you can still use a load that can't penetrate armor.

>>536231

9mm a shit, 10mm is where it's at.

Only limp-wristed numales and FBI agents disagree.

>>536231

At the point where you're able to fire more than 8 rounds, the perpetrator has likely closed the gap between you and him. It takes approximately 6-8 handgun boolets to stop a 200lb man sprinting at you when he's NOT high on angel dust I think according to the FBI. While I realize police officers aren't very well trained in gun usage so much as in reading a suspect to decide when it's time to shoot, in most cases it's important to remember the 21 foot rule (vid related). If an attacker is focused on you and has a melee means of attacking, your best bet (other than being well trained and capable of diffusing the situation) is to have as much stopping power as physically possible and to distract/surprise them, as you're likely gonna get stabbed or shot at least once by the time you can shoot the attacker. If the attacker isn't focused on you, then why the fuck would you even try to play hero and shoot at them unless a family member/friend is in danger? CYA, cover your ass and evacuate unless lives (yours or a close one) are in imminent danger. Drawing a firearm is likely to draw the attention of whosoever is creating that situation towards you, and likely not in an "oh shit" sort of way.

Admittedly I own a 9mm because I'm a shit shot and have limited experience with funs, so it's sort of a baby's first handgun for last resort self defense when I don't have access to my shotgun at home. That being said, ideally .45/10mm from what I understand the differences are negligible since we're talking about side arms here is a superior caliber since it will have more stopping power so you require less shots at close distance.

>>536241

>Negligible

Nigger .45 in it's best day does 600 lb/f with boutique snowflake ammo. 9mm does 500 lb/f with the same. 10mm auto does 650 lb/f all day everyday and 800lb/f when you REALLY want to put the cunt in the ground.

>>536260

Spectrometer field tests by autistic fudds show that 10mm only goes about 100-150m/s faster than .45. 10mm handguns might be objectively "more powerful" (by marginal standards) in field tests, but special .45 ammo loadouts are typically able to produce good enough results to make the difference negligible at best. To top it off, both 10mm guns and 10mm ammo are objectively both more expensive and harder to obtain than 10mm. If I walk into Wal-Mart, they will always have .45, can't say the same about 10mm. If I want specialized 10mm ammo, I'm gonna spend a lot' more money than I would for even the specialized .45 ammo. A gun shop is also gonna have a much more limited selection of 10mm handguns compared to .45 choices. This doesn't even get into the logistics of trials/dealing with law enforcement (10mm? You're a nigger criminal in the eyes of the courts. .45? You're probably just autistic as far as they're concerned).

The purpose of a handgun is to be a side arm when I don't have access to a more powerful raifu/shotgun. In this sense, I want something that has easily accessible and relatively cheap ammunition that I can use for emergencies. Given the stoppin' powah of .45, the differences between the two are negligible (and in fact the extra recoil/price point might make the 10mm more detrimental when it comes time to train with it). If we want to turn this into a dick waving competition, we can always get one of those 50 BMG revolvers in on this effort in futility.

>>536312

This is why I hate formatting on a phone.

>>536328

>That wall of text

>Be my guess

I got more important shit to get done today. Fuck this shit.

>>536231

9mm is objectively inferior to 7.62 tokarev.

9mm vs .45 ACP threads are objectively inferior to any other thread on /k/.

>>536231

9mm expands to the same size as .45 anyway, the latter is an obsolete dinosaur round

pistol rounds are not very good at bringing somebody down, pistols are for when you can't carry anything else or as a sidearm that is 'better than a knife, tbh'

>limp-wristed buyer's remorse copy pasta thread

Sage.

Dafuq?

Why ya'll still arguing calibers?

Does 9mm/.45/omgwtfever penetrate deeply enough to break bone, disrupt organs, etc? Just about everything 9mm and above ( and some below ) do so reliably.

Given an effective caliber ( see above ) shot placement is more important than caliber. A 9mm through the head is much more effective than a .45 through the shoulder. Similarly a .45 through the heart is much more effective than a .50AE that missed because you flinched hard from the recoil.

Platform ( pistol vs. revolver ) comes into play here. Can you hit the damn target accurately and quickly? If yes, then it's good kit. If not, chuck it and get something else. Or get gud. Whichever.

Shit also has to be reliable. OMGITONLYJAMSEVEROTHERMAGUZINE is nigger tier faggotry not worthy of further discussion. Quality brands are quality but just like remington and taurus sometimes let guns without defects leave the factory ( I've heard it happens… ) even quality makers can have problems. Get ya to the range with as much ammo as you can afford and shoot the fuck out of it.

This is where the last point comes in. Ammo cost. Does the .42Vunderbum cost $25 per shot? if so what does it do that's worth that cost? Yes, if it comes with blowjob midgets that's fucking awesome. Otherwise, whatever caliber is effective ( fuck do I have to say see above again? ) and the cheapest is better. The more you can buy the more you can shoot the more gud you git.

Like a .45 and you can run your grandpappy's 1911 in a failure to stop drill under a 1 second par time? Do that shit.

Like a 9mm and can run your glawk brand glawk fast enough to triple tap a heart under a second at seven yards? Get down with your bad self and rock that shit.

>>536470

>now 124 at 1250

not at the normal pressure. +p might be able to do that. At normal pressure to this day 115 is just under 1200, 124 is about 1050-1100. .40 pushes a bullet 50 grains heavier at about 1180 fps, and yes those differences matter.

Not saying 9 sucks, just that 9mm guys really need to quit lying to themselves about their round, it's making the 9 look bad. Just accept it for what it is, a weaker but easier to shoot round that is widely accepted because it is easier to shoot, because it is weaker.

>>536384

>le epic "pistols are weak huehue" meme that 9 shills fall back on to prop up their inane bullshit, making the poor 9 look contemptible in the process precisely because these types of retards are shilling it.

Pistol rounds can drop fucking wild boars and deer, I've done it myself with a .45, and I'm not even a .45 guy. If they can do that, they sure as shit can drop a human quickly.

Pistols immobilize and often kill quickly. Rifles absolutely obliterate.

>>536470

The CIA in the 60s believed a lot of retarded shit.

>>536518

it was on a study on assassinations. on the murder/k/ube.

>>536470

>>536502

Good now compare it to 10mm, one of few auto pistol cartridges that can reach rifle tier terminal ballistics.

>>536512

>Pistols immobilize and often kill quickly.

Well it depends where and how it hits, really. It could simply cause a bleeding wound that would take an hour without medical attention to be fatal, or it could be a kill shot. Generally speaking, though, you can't fire a pistol round and expect the threat to drop.

>>536537

>can't expect the threat to drop

and you just got finished saying that it depends on where you shoot them.

I guarantee you, you shoot someone in the torso with with a .40 or .45 JHP bullet, and they won't be standing very long.

I of course never shot someone, but I've shot wild hogs of about 150lbs in the chest, who have far more strength and adrenaline in their system than a huamn, and totally dropped them with .45 HST +P ammo. They didn't die immediately, but they dropped, couldn't get up, screamed a little, and then bled to death in a few seconds.

the whole "pistols are weak" is a stupid meme

>>536665

If you shoot anyone in the heart or chest cavity they're gonna drop in short order. Were hose wild hogs charging towards you at less than 30 meters nigga? I very much doubt it. You probably either took those hogs by surprise or they were further away when you began shooting them. Not to mention the reason handguns are inferior is because of armor and such. The more protection your opponent has, the last effective your handgun becomes. Theoretically IIA body armor will stop .45, which it's possible (unlikely, but possible) that the assailant could be wearing (moreso with organized criminals, LEOs, etc. but the point still stands). When you consider most people in panic mode will miss half their shots at 20 feet away, it's important to understand the limitations of your weapon, which is why people say it's a sidearm. And lets face it, "just shoot them in the head" is edgy teen-tier shit advice.