/k/ - Weapons

>>509170

Too many people fill their bags with food. You can live 30 days without food. It's not a priority. You can't live 30 days without water.

Pack water and water filters.

You can't live 30 days when you're in severe hypothermia.

Pack shelter, fire starting equipment and sufficient clothing.

You can't live 30 days when you have no means to defend yourself from someone who's attacking you at the moment.

Pack firearms.

Security>Shelter>Water>Other

>>533866

Nice dubs

I keep shit I think I would need for a few days fucked off in the woods somewhere.

An emergency blanket and a magnesium fire starter is a good idea. I keep a can of stagg chili in mine because holy fuck that's good chili, heavy cans though.

Oh, btw you can pick up some MREs at the bulk bins in costco. They're okay, just the main courses though.

IMHO when it comes to urban BOB it's best not to use military looking bags (anything with camo, alice, molle). Don't draw any attention to yourself. Be a Gray Man. Don't advertise to the whole world that you may have something inside that's worth killing you for. And don't hang fucking knives on the outside.

Hypothetically:

>Water

>Method of boiling (GI issue water bottle, tinnie and stove) + filtering (cheese cloth is good shit, same with coffee filters)

>Canned food

>Tarp and pins

>Rope, hammock, bedroll and 0 degree sleeping bag

>Hand axe

>Knife

>Whetstone

>Four ways of starting a fire

>.38 caliber rifle

>200 rounds of ammo

>Solar charger+battery all in one usb for charging and powering electrics

>RPI loaded to high hell with reading material and built with a screen

>Baby wipes

>Foldable shovel

>Flecktarn hat and jacket for camo

>Socks, undies

>Spare pants and shirt

>Poncho (Idiot proof rain cover)

>See thru olive drab face cover for hunting

>>534243

>dont hang knives on your bag

lmao, sage advice, are you one of those burgers that got stuck by haj in the sandbox with his own blade?`

We had a fresh as fuck Neckermann Offz in our Kompanie that carried a big goofy rambo knife on his fuckin gerödel, one day this scary SPC that gave zero fucks snaps it off with the fuckin sheath and pushes it up against his neck, that nigger never recovered his honorabru

>>533881

That's actually location dependent. If you live in the southwest, particularly in Arizona, it goes 'Water>Security>Shelter>Other'. If you don't have a stable water supply, you are fucked from the get go.

Water + Water filtration and container for water

Big knife and a pocket knife

Weaponry + ammo

Something to start a fire with

Enough food provisions for 3 days

A Basic Tarp

2x Scivy rolls

2x pair of boot socks

2x IFAKs

In the desert it's different what you need from innawoods. There's a good amount of food around that you can use to stretch your 3 day provisions, the real killer is water. Without water, no point in even trying.

My BoB is basically my camping setup + guns and ammo vest. I'd recommend picking up hiking and camping as a hobby as it is a great way to test your setup in a real world scenario. You can't optimize your loadout unless you have enough experience to know what actually works for your needs and what doesn't.

>>534247

Change that sleeping bag to a 0 degree over-quilt and you'll save a ton(about 5lbs) of weight.

http://www.hammockgear.com/econ-quilts/

Stuffed into a large, non-frame backpack:

1 set of clothes: thermal underwear, long-sleeve cotton t-shirt, hooded fleece shirt, denim jeans, super-warm Carhartt wool socks, convertible mittens, scarf, and windbreaker (in my area, this outfit will be more than warm enough during winter)

2 x space blankets

large wool blanket

3 x 1-L bottles of water

water purification tablets

powdered electrolyte replenishment formula

Ruger SP101

20 rounds of hot Buffalo Bore 180 gr. LSWC .357 mag

25 rounds of Remington Golden Saber 125 gr. .357 mag

50 rounds of 110 gr. .357 mag SJHP (I forget which brand)

50 rounds of some bulk reloaded 110 gr. 38 spl, FMJ

bore snake and a small bottle of CLP

knife (Mora All-Round 749… great knife and dirt cheap)

knife sharpener (one of those cheap little portable ones)

some paracord

compression bandages

SAM splint

caffeine, ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen, diphenhydramine

basic medical shit like regular bandages, antibiotic creams, alcohol swabs, liquid stitches

some peanut butter, dried fruit, oats, and candy

Bic lighter and homemade dryer-lint/candle-wax firestarters

5 x 1 oz. silver coins (not exactly sure why, but I like the idea of having them)

A camping cookware set, aluminum

I think that's it.

Thing's pretty heavy, but it's a nice backpack so the weight is distributed properly. Also, I regularly go for long hikes while wearing it, so I've become used to the weight.

On-body during a normal day, I have:

Ruger LCP II (6+1 rounds .380) + spare 7-round mag; all 90 gr. FMJ-FN

OR

Ruger SR9c (10+1 rounds 9mm) + spare 17-round mag; all 115 gr. Barnes XPB loads

old Leatherman Kick multitool

Bic lighter

we just started prepping our bags. don't forget a map, and a small medical pamphlet. also glow sticks, paracord, a survival book to help identify wildlife.

>>534396

Also in bag: Maglite ML300L

I knew I missed something

>>534368

quilts are pretty redpilled

id like a waterproof coating on one tho

>>534419

cant find one, maybe ill just wrap one in goretex myself… also

the 30$ ultralight bag from walmart is ok in 50-60 weather

>>533866

Ultimately depends on who I am with. If SHTF and you're by yourself, it's pretty much over. People are your number one resource.

>>534559

Keep in mind I'm assuming the majority of your BOB supplies will be used up within 30-90 days, and that your BOB is just a temporary solution, not permanent survival equipment that you'll be relying on for years.

>>534560

On that note, I actually think that one of the biggest mistake many preppers make is trying to make their supplies last for too long in lieu of wilderness survival knowledge/experience.

Most of the preppers I know would be much better off if they bought a survival book of some sort, went camping once a month to practice skills, and had a week of supplies on-hand to help ease the transition. Instead, they have pallets of MREs, hundreds of gallons of gasoline, and fucking batteries, with bugout bags loaded with nothing but food and Band-Aids.

>>534569

I shit you not, I know a guy who has a bugout bag with:

about 20 cans - yes, cans - of tuna

a battery-powered radio

a big brick of spare batteries

Gatorade powder

band-aids

a tourniquet

and pretty much nothing else

>>534571

>a battery-powered radio

There is literally nothing wrong with bringing a ham HT with you when bugging out

>>534658

Lol, it's actually a standard AM/FM radio, but that's not the point; he has no idea what he's doing. Even a ham radio won't turn his powdered Gatorade into water, or his bandaids into a shelter.

>>534257

Either carry a knife on you or inside the bag. Hanging it on your bag is only asking for someone to steal it, or, yes stab you with it.

>inb4 Ima shoot anyone I see

There's no way to know for sure what situation you might find yourself in. You may have no choice but be around other people and you don't want to tempt them with a knife. Same goes with a sleeping bag or even an axe. I'd rather carry a shorter axe in conjunction with a folding saw inside the backpack than hang it on the outside. Security>other. Like I said Don't advertise to the whole world that you may have something that's worth killing you for. If you think that sacrificing that much space just to hide your shit is stupid then that's your opinion just like this one is mine.

>>534559

I'm not saying that you shouldn't have any food but your space is going to be extremely limited. The "average" survival situation is about 3 days. That's plenty of time to die from exposure to the elements, some dindu or dehydration. If you're preparing for total economic collapse then you can either pack PERISHABLE food or something that is going to allow you to catch food and in many cases reuse it to catch protein. See vid.

>>534571

I know someone like that too, says if you get tuna with water and put it in your bugout bag you don't even need to pack water since you'll get your water from your tuna. I think you'll need a little more water than that.

>>534801

At least when the shit hits the fan, you'll know someone you can shoot for tuna. Better that you do it rather than some nigger. He's dead anyways.

>>534819

Corrections

Double checked and I can't find my bible or fishingkit. Also there is a jar of instant coffee.

>>534787

If he isn't the arrogant type just teach him the right way to do it

>>534819

>Bible

At least its good firestarting material.

>>534858

Shit, thank you for reminding me to pick up another quran. This winter is awfully cold and mudshits love to give them away. It's nice not to have to resort to using moss all the time too.

>>534819

I think you have too much shit in some ways, and not enough in other ways. The weight alone from what I'm reading is gonna be pretty damn heavy for a bugout bag unless your MRE's are glorified nutrition paste, and at this point you might as well have shit you can load in your vehicle like a few 30 packs of water bottles.

I'd get about a week's worth of water added to your pack, and cut the freeze dried meals down to 15 unless they're damned near weightless and take up virtually 0 space. Actually, I'd see about any way you can cut that amount of supplies to about half unless you're planning to bug out in a vehicle and ditch the vehicle innawoods along with being able to lose half those supplies.

>>534929

They aren't MRE. They are freeze dried and light as fuck. The clothing medkit takes up the most space. Plus I have been wildland fire fighting since I ETSed and that bag is barely sixty pounds which is nothing to carry up and down mountains all day. I appreciate the advice but you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and are projecting your own manlet insecurity onto me.

Recommend the fuck out of this brand. Good price and good enough to eat.

https://www.mountainhouse.com/

>>534903

But could they come over to fix your sink problems?

>>534968

What is Latvia? Sounds like some sort of exotic car brand

Anybody have different "levels" of bugout gear?

Example:

Level 1 - I have a tiny backpack that I treat as my emergency 48-hour kit. Water, a few high-energy snacks, thermal underwear, space blankets, a knife, paracord, bandaids and antibiotic cream, a few toiletries, 2 Bics, a small flashlight, a power bank for my phone, a Glock 43, and a spare mag. I generally keep this in my car, but I try to bring it everywhere I go.

Level 2 - A large duffel bag: additional 9mm ammo, a tent, a sleeping bag, a complete set of warm clothes, 2 Lifestraws, a small toolkit, a hatchet, a bigger knife, more Bics and various fire-starting supplies, a mess kit, a big flashlight, and about 10,000 calories worth of food. This stays in my garage so I can toss it into my car and get going quickly.

Level 3 - a large frame backpack with additional food, water, and a 10/22 takedown with a brick of ammo. This also stays in my garage. The idea with this is to grab it along with the duffel, get to my bugout location, and then consolidate the duffel bag and Level 1 bag into this bag based on my needs and whether I have to travel on foot to my actual bugout site.

Level 4 - the "contingency kit": a large locking plastic tote with a .44 magnum revolver, tons of ammo for all guns, gun cleaning supplies, extra clothes for all different seasons/climates, a full-sized axe, a small shovel, all sorts of hand tools, rope/tarps/various shelter-building supplies, fire starters, a camping stove and fuel, cookware, a solar panel kit, and a small cage trap for rabbits/etc. This is kept in the garage, tied down to a hitch-mounted cargo carrier, ready to be attached to the car in under a minute if I have to gtfo.

camo hammock w/bug net

waterproof camo tarp

extra hammock straps, can be used as easy climbing rope with their built in loops

4x high strength caribeaners

100ft paracord

binoculars

ham radio

tactical axe/hammer/prybar tool

multi-tool

first aid kit

water purification tablets

3x socks

3x undies

3x athletic shirts

waterproof jacket shell

waterproof pants

waterproof salomon gtx 3d athletic hiking boots

1x camelback 100oz

daka pouches

yeti gallon stainless steel jug

black diamond headlamp

4x glowsticks

fire starter

6x bic lighter

small titanium camp pot for boiling water

peanut butter

multivitamins

salt/pepper

lemon & lime juice

10x 0.5lb vacuum sealed packs of ON vitamin fortified mass gainer powder

gummy bears

1lb bag of cranberries

8 of diamonds cards

3w handheld green laser

coffee filters

bungee straps

microfiber towel

jellybean launcher

180 jellybeans

some items attach to belt or go in pockets, bag weight is max 25lbs. 22l capacity.

>>534968

>>535013

You need soap and compressed cotton towels or else you'll smell like shit.

>>533881

>You can live 30 days without food.

Tards gonna tard.

30 days is the point you're likely to die. It's like saying you can drink 2 liters of vodka in one sitting. Good luck doing anything other than laying on the floor drooling on yourself at 1/4 that amount. This goes for both food and booze.

While you are right about warmth and water being more important you can't realistically expect to go more than a day or two with no food before it starts to effect you. If you doubt me I highly encourage you to actually try it.

I ran a 800-1000 calorie deficit for 28 days. I felt sluggish by day 7, clumsy and difficulty concentrating by 14, light headed and my daily 7 mile hike took 20% longer by day 21. I had to stop on day 28 because it was unsafe for me to drive. This is while I was still getting over 1500 cal a day.

>>535009

I do something similar, but it's not levels it's more of a modular system. Any situation from spending the weekend with my gf, bugging out to a hotel, camping with the family or zombie apocalypse I'm ready to go in 5 mins.

My BOB is under 10lb including 2l water, filter, lighter, swiss army knife, some food, emergency blanket, emergency poncho, $5k, passport, flashlight, compass, sunscreen, paracord and some other stuff.

Overnight bag: 35L backpack, 4 changes of clothes and hygiene kit. Some extra space for weather appropriate clothes.

Camping bag: 50L backpack, mess kit, sleeping bag, folding saw, etc.

3L Camelback.

Weapons bag.

Empty backpack to stuff with food or w/e.

Weapons bag and BOB are basically camera bags so I could easily wear them along with a backpack. The camelback can be worn with a backpack or on it's own.

Also since my BOB is so light I can leave all the heavy gear at any temporary "base" while scouting or w/e and abandon it if needed.

>>535016

I like it. My level 2 bag sort of fills the camping trip role in my system.

I also have supplemental "modules" for specific goals, such as a fishing kit, farming kit (an old golf club bag with field tools and a seed bank), a hunting module (hunting-specific ammo for the other guns + an 8mm Mauser rifle), a warm weather bag with summer-appropriate clothes + oral rehydration salts + a hydration bladder, etc.

I did completely neglect the possibility of bugging out to a hotel or other person's home.. perhaps I could add a module for that or reconfigure one of my existing modules for it. I'm probably more likely to encounter a scenario like that than a complete SHTF-move-to-the-woods situation.

>>535015

>30 days is the point you're likely to die

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

>you can't realistically expect to go more than a day or two with no food before it starts to effect you.

Would you rather be less hungry with 4th degree frostbites? It's obvious that the more time you spend without food the worse you're going to feel but it's nowhere near as important as Security, Shelter and Hydration. The purpose of a BOB is to keep you ALIVE.

>>535009

Imo Lvl 1 is something you have on you at all times: multitool/swiss army knife, pistol, flashlight, bic lighter, maybe a cheap mylar blanket if you have cargo pockets.

Lvl 2 is a small bag that you can carry on you at all times once you wake up or even sleep with it when you don't feel safe we're talking about post emergency situation, this isn't your average daily EDC. The pack that is perfect for this job is a fanny pack. Yes, I said fanny pack. It should include a minimum of: cordage, more pricy reinforced mylar blanket and clear plastic tarp. See vid at 3 min. Might as well throw in a ferro rod and some fire starters like a simple cotton balls soaked in vaseline

Lvl 3 is a haversack/surplus bread bag that is a smaller version of your BOB. The idea is that if, for any reason, you get separated from your BOB you still have the bare essentials to help you survive. See Dave Canterbury's 10 C's of survival.

>>535015

>This is while I was still getting over 1500 cal a day

Did you take in enough micro nutrients and fats?

>>533866

my BoB is pretty small, i keep it in the trunk of my car so its whereever i am, its only designed to get me home and not long term shtf so keep that in mind

>1 pair socks

>wool longjohn underwear

>plastic poncho

>blanket

>paracord

>multitool

>water filter straw

>jar of peanut butter(calorie dense, doesn't go bad)

>$300 cash

>how to survival book

>flashlight

>toilet wipes

>firestarter

>medkit (preassorted, 2 packs of celox included)

i used to keep a 22lr semi auto pistol +50rds of ammo in the bag too but my current job prevents it.

Im always surprised by people never having cash in theirs, BoB's dont always have to be about shtf nuclear winter, they come handy for normal situations too IE. car breaks down and need tow, credit card machines go down

Im always open to suggestions on what i should add, im in the midwest, and my pack is designed to last me 36hours tops if shit got really bad and had to walk home from work for instance

Hot to protect toilet paper from the rain

>>535052

Yes, but I was burning 2500

>>535097

Wouldn't it make more sense to keep sanitary wipes around, maybe keep one roll of TP around, and use said TP as a firestarter? If I'm bugging out, I've probably come to the conclusion I'll be using a washable/reusable rag and a nearby stream for wiping my ass anyways. Snow is abundant in the winter time for boiling here, and the last thing I need when I'm dehydrated in the summer time is to wipe my chaffed asshole with dry paper.

>>535161

>use said TP as a firestarter

TP has exactly dick for heat of combustion, even straw heats better

>>535164

Not burger TP. I've used it to start fires in thea middle of a rain storm, even have a class 2 fire ban summons on my record because of that.

Bug in > Bug out.

>>534968

Mexican's destroy plumbing. Don't ask me why but they shit until toilets are plugged, and then keep shitting.

Some general tips:

-Make sure you rotate your Bic lighters, they leak gas and eventually go dry after some time.

-An Israeli bandage is one of the best tools for trauma.

-Katadyn (ceramic based) water filters let you drink from the stream/lake without having to boil water. I have the cheaper 20,000 gallon version and it's very lightweight. This way you don't have to carry so much water around (saves weight/volume in pack).

-Focus on quantity of .22lr over quantity of 'fighting weapon' rounds. You won't be fighting ww3, just a few mauraders that a single 30-rd mag can deal with (if you actually aim).

-Consider large zip-ties for captured enemy rather than dealing with the stress of having to kill someone that's surrendered.

-Cotton-balls coated in vaseline will burn for several minutes each and are light-weight. Ideal for drying tinder in rainy weather.

- A folding saw can replace a heavy hatchet unless you're chopping 10" trees down for permanent shelter. I use a 'bahco laplander'.

- Carry a few extra emergency blankets and emergency ponchos in case of unexpected company like friends family that show up. They weight next to nothing. The ponchos weight about the same as the space blankets.

- Learn online about the edible plants in your AoE. I printed small pics w/ my own text on them and laminated the pages. You can eat dandelions, some flowers, etc. You'd be amazed. These can provide needed Vitamins.

-Consider a roll of hard candy for morale.

>>541562

Want to add something on the hand saws.

Folding saws are good and all, but try and find an arborist's handsaw. They are made for hard use, come with a serviceable sheath, and most importantly light. A 16 inch hand saw can cut a lot of wood very fast and can be strapped to the bag. A 30-40 dollar saw will last a very long time and make short work of small-medium diameter softwood.

>>535015

>I ran a 800-1000 calorie deficit for 28 days.

…Pussy……just kidding.

In prep for bariatric surgery I subsisted on 400 calories a day for 8 weeks. I needed to lose 30 pounds by eating only meal replacement bags. I was supposed to eat four 400 calorie bags a day, but since I'm lazy I decided to go a bit more extreme and eat less instead of exercise more. I started with three, that lasted a week before going down to two, then one a week after that and kept going for six weeks.

I lost 70 pounds…

i am pretty sure then there isnt safer place then here. i mean fuck this house survived 3 wars, 1 war 2 times, and 3 uprisings

>>541895

>3 uprisings

that could mean Silesia?

>>541891

1) The only reason you didnt die is because you had 70+ extra lbs of fat, becoming obese to survive shtf is retarded.

2) theres a world of difference between sitting on your ass at 500 cal/day and trying to survive in the wilderness at that same intake.

3) I'm proud of you hopefully you'll keep the weight off

>>541922

Oh, make no mistake, I wasn't advocating being a fatass as a means of storing extra energy. I was just sharing my my story of an extremely low calorie diet for an extended period of time.

>Don't advertise to the whole world that you may have something inside that's worth killing you for.

The amount of LARP is through the roof.

There is no scenario in ANY of the western countries where people would kill each other in order to get resources.

The worst you get can get is some natural disaster but even then you don't need to become "le grey man and hide your powerlevel".

>inb4 angry responses from triggered doomsday fanatics

Go ahead, prove me wrong.

>>542075

>There is no scenario in ANY of the western countries where people would kill each other in order to get resources.

>Who is a father wanting to provide for his dying family

When people think about bandits in SHTF it's mostly about packs of feral dindus or anyone whom we'd describe as criminal today. But in SHTF when everyone is fighting for their lives ANYONE can kill simply for a sleeping bag that's mounted at the bottom of your pack because space inside had to be filled with radio and MREs. That's why I'm strongly encouraging others to 1 avoid camo bags millions of people have seen BOB reviews and mil surp bags have great cheap-durable ratio therefore are perfect for preppers. If you want a mil surp bag than go for one that's in OD green, preferably older version that doesn't have molle webbing. 2 hanging anything on the outside including your tacticool knife.

Of course there's a chance someone may kill you simply for having a bag that may contain something that'll help him survive but even though Gray Man doesn't eliminate this possibility it reduces it.

>>542083

And what kind of scenario makes people kill for a sleeping bag?

>>541899

thats right

its nice if you like eating coal, breathing coal and drinking coal

>>542094

Umm, cold?

>>542075

< people don't kill people and steal their stuff

nigger, you're really dumb. You are dumb. You are really really dumb.

>>542094

Cold, outdoors, night, rain, melanin

>>542110

>>542101

>>542141

Not an argument.

We get snowstorms and blizzards every year yet people don't kill each other by the hundreds for their resources.

Prepping is a meme.

>>541891

>starve yourself for fat people surgery

>lose 70 pounds

>suddenly not fat

>get the surgery anyway

why

>>542244

Trust me, I was still fat. This was a year ago, I'm down 200 pounds total, and I'm still fat, much less so, but still fat.

>>542276

Yeah that's a thing I've always thought was a bit weird. I see Americans that supposedly weigh less than I did have to use rascals to get around because they can't walk, along with looking positively globular. I could walk round just fine, and now that I'm 200 pounds less I'm damn near bouncing about the place, and I looked more oblong than globular, maybe because I'm 6 feet 3 inches, or whatever 190 cm converts to.

>>542240

But you still have homes with working heat system, right? I'm assuming that society hasn't collapsed either and that the law is still being enforced.

>>542309

Yes.

My point is nothing short of an ELE would warrant the "hide your shit and become a ghost" tier prepping.

Don't get me wrong lower tier prepping incase of natural disasters is quite smart if you live in an affected region. But history has shown that in such cases people usually band together so no need for defending yourself from anything other than the elements.

Of course if you live in some nigger hotspot then weapons become a priority regardless of any disasters.

>>542283

The rascal thing is because they are fucking lazy generally, and you probably weighed more than them despite looking less fat because of muscle mass m8

>>534265

Are you sure about that? I'm from Minnesota, and let me tell you, every time I've slept in a tent in a western state, it get's frigid cold at night and hot in the middle of the day. At least that's what eastern Oregon, California, and Washington are like in the drier parts.

>>534396

Silver can be used to purifie water

>>542396

I wouldn't trust it. Boiling works best after distillery

I have no bugout bag, i have a bugout sailboat instead

Everything needed to survive is on it already. that means

>water filters (although you could survive just drinking sea water)

>a 14 day food supply

>fishing nets and lines

>methylated spirits for cooking

>electricity from solar panels

>tools and spare parts for the boat

probably a few other things im forgetting about too, although no guns because

>flag

>>542467

>although no guns because

>>flag

Look on the bright side, the Nerf gun community is great in Australia.

>>542483

>the Chad Cokeman

>>542467

>you could survive just drinking sea water

Yes please do and report back the results protip you can't

>>542486

not kidding, some guy back last century sailed around the atlantic in a tiny raft for months and he survived with no supplies whatsoever and just catching fish with his hands and drinking seawater.

>>542494

There were a few people who ended up doing that during WW2 but I'm pretty sure they were drinking bird and fish blood and rainwater, not seawater.

>>542494

I'm about to become a seaman, and in every single survival course I've been through I've been told to drink seawater under no circumstance, not even after mixing it with fresh water. You're free to believe me or not.

>>542494

Yeah, the salt content in sea water would actually do more damage to the fluid levels of your body than the water. In other words in terms of balance, the salt in sea water completely counteracts any value in the water. It has to be boiled out or strained, you can't drink it straight.

>>542544

>It has to be boiled out or strained, you can't drink it straight.

The ONLY way to safely drink sea water is by distilling it

>>542541

>born from semen

>about to become a seaman

ehehehe

>>542561

Well, I meant boiling as in bottle-to-bottle distillery but I wasn't thinking someone might not be able to read my mind. With a fine enough filter I think you can strain it though, don't quote me on it.

>>543014

What's wrong with lifestraw?

>>543025

poor particulate filtration when compared to other products (IE Sawyer), goofy form factor (can't put inline on a bladder or on a bottle top), inferior lifespan (not 100,000 gallons)