123bc5 No.527442
Standard weapon
>gas operated rifle chambered in 6.5mm cased telescopic
>Semi auto, 3 round burst, or full auto
>Uses RDX based propellant to achieve higher muzzle velocity
>AP rounds have osmium alloy cores
>Expanding rounds have soft lead core with hard perpetrator tip
>LMGs will just be firing the same rounds,
>DMR is just scaled up version with longer barrel and bigger caliber
Shotgun
>4 gauge
RD based propellant similar to rifle
>Pump action
>Shells are made of graphene oxide paper
>Loaded with .45 cal shot although a myriad of other shot sizes are available
>Standard shot is made of hard cast lead
>Ultra dense and hard osmiridium shot is available for tough targets
>Soft core balls are available to cause maximum carnage, very useful for dealing with creatures with asymmetric symmetry and decentralized vitals and nervous systems.
>Wide shot pattern over large distance is useful for counter sniping
>hydraulic recoil cylinders in the stock make the weapon safe to handle
Fission incinerator
>Scaled down nuclear rocket
>Uses Am 242 which can sustain a fission reaction even when in a thin film
>Projects beam of nuclear exhaust that destroys everything with extreme heat.
>Used for destroying heavy vehicles and fortifications.
>No material can resist the direct hit
>Operators must wear protective suits to avoid radiation and blindness as well as recoil.
>Cannot be used within close proximity of unprotected personnel
>Area must be cleaned up afterward
Chlorine Tri-fluoride
>Extremely powerful oxidizer that reacts with nearly anything
>Causes combustion of otherwise non-flammable materials such as glass, sand, and asbestos
>Reacts explosively with water
>Fires are nearly impossible to extinguish since it ignites nearly anything
>Can be stored in copper, nickle, or steel containers that have been treated with fluorine gas
>Causes flesh to ignite and explode
>Pretty much game over if hit by it
>Can be used for area denial by setting the terrain on fire
b084cd No.527444
>First pic of a carbine
>nearly 10 pounds before an optic
How could anyone fuck up so badly?
123bc5 No.527445
Other shit that aren't weapons but necessary
Universal phage
>Virus that flows through the blood stream and is produced by specially engineered cells implanted in the spleen
>Virus attacks any pathogen that enters the body
>Allows people to travel to other worlds without getting sick.
Pack mule
>Genetically engineered quadruped, or hexaped, mammal with low center of gravity that carries your heavy shit
>Eats nearly anything organic
>Can go for a long time without food
>Can be eaten if need be
>>527444
Idk, I chose that pic because it was the first telescoped cartridge based rifle image I found.
fc31e7 No.527644
>>527442
>conquering space
>rifle
I think you might be retarded, OP. If space is a vacuum then there is no need for rifling.
123bc5 No.527663
>>527644
No, the planets on space. Space battles would be done with MARAUDER cannons and Casaba howitzers.
123bc5 No.527666
2d7041 No.527668
One weapon with different variants for each planet?
Different weapons for each different planet?
The terminal ballistics of your specialized ammunition and the propellant and propulsion mechanics of the the weapon have to match that of the planet's atmospheric conditions. I know I don't have to tell you guys this of course, but still. You can just compare a 9mm shot from a Glock and test its ballistics and travel time under every measurable statistic of Earth's atmosphere and gravity and then compare the differences in weight, distance, and force to the differences of another planet's same measurable statistics and compensate for the difference in your design.
eac45a No.527671
123bc5 No.527678
>>527668
That sound like a logistical nightmare.
>The terminal ballistics of your specialized ammunition and the propellant and propulsion mechanics of the the weapon have to match that of the planet's atmospheric conditions
I highly doubt any habitable planet would have an atmosphere thick enough to sop bullets. Plus weight insanely powerful propellant a thicker than normal atmosphere, or even higher gravity wouldn't do much unless the gravity was dozens of times higher than Earth. Even normal guns would be fine one a planet with 2x Earth gravity. A rifle with a 6000+ FPS muzzle velocity would be more than fine.
>>527671
I don't know if that shit would incinerate a creature unless it had gasoline for blood. It could be used for anti material like it is IRL. If want to burn shit just use a ClF3 rifle grenade.
123bc5 No.527683
>>527678
I saw the vid of Ian testing them. They didn't seem as nasty as I though they would be. I think normal high velocity dum dum rounds would be cheaper and more deadly.
2d7041 No.527694
>>527678
Not only would it need to match that of the planet's atmospheric conditions, but to the satisfactory standards of an efficient kill shot from a recommended distance from that of whatever it is you're firing at. If you're just firing under controlled conditions at a stationary target you can just assume the projectile would lose all speed and stopping power over an increased distance (momentum) in a low gravity condition, or it would lose distance and speed over a higher gravity than that of Earth's, which for a bullet traveling over 6000fps means that kind of momentum but over a shortened distance as the drag would occur at an assumed half the rate thus the argument for a lack of stopping power can be made.
So you could make up for the increased rate of drag with high velocity ammunition and a short iron sight measure with a heightened angle of fire maybe - just my guess. The design would need to focus on the recoil if you're relying on combustible cartridges, which for the record, can be incredibly dangerous or stupid if the atmospheric pressure and oxygen levels of space won't even let that happen, or cause an increased combustion - explosion when the primer is stuck and the projectile is released.
Designing an aerodynamically perfect bullet that can maintain course and altitude after being fired in an atmosphere with the slightest pull of lightweight gravity to throw it off somewhere halfway through its flight, that would be a logistical nightmare for me. Then trying to fire that bullet from a weapon that can eject that projectile safely? Woooo buddy.
123bc5 No.527696
>>527694
>oxygen levels
firearm propellants are self oxidizing. Hence why they can fire in a vacuum. Mythbusters did this awhile ago.
173489 No.527697
>>527663
Then specify that action takes place on planets, and even then planets can have minimal to no atmosphere.
2d7041 No.527699
>>527694
And this isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
Imagine the Coriolis effect taking effect on a planet, and in a region of that planet whose electromagnetic properties from mineral content and atmospheric pressure in relation to elevation and any other unique planetary anomaly unaccounted for.
>>527696
>I watched Mythbusters when I was a kid, I know about space guns.
That's a warning.
173489 No.527703
>>527699
He clearly does know more about guns period considering you didn't know smokeless gunpowder has oxidizer in it already.
2d7041 No.527706
>>527703
>using smokeless gunpowder in space
It's not a matter of whether or not the bullet will propel. You don't need to know about guns to know that matter can move through space as a reaction to combustion. But in the instance of firing a gun on a planet (not just the vacuum of space), within a planet's own gravitational fields and any other unknown variables, whether or not a gun will fire effectively AND safely, is not known for sure to us at the moment.
And I'd rather rely on basic logic and an understanding of the natural world with applied mathematical principles than the intellectual cloak and dagger of a tv show., buddy o' pal.
f37cb8 No.527707
>>527442
>osmium
>$30 bullets
ffs…
123bc5 No.527718
>>527707
Asteroid mining, fam.
>>527699
Calm your ovaries. It was just an example that the atmosphere has no effect on the combustion of the propellant. The only effect it has is on drag. A denser atmosphere won't make your gun explode. Gravity won't comprise the gun either. The only adjustments you need to make is in your sights, you don't need super special planet specific guns or cartridges. If it has self oxidizing propellant it should work pretty much anywhere as long as its tolerant of dirt and mud.
fc31e7 No.527724
>>527706
>But in the instance of firing a gun on a planet (not just the vacuum of space), within a planet's own gravitational fields and any other unknown variables, whether or not a gun will fire effectively AND safely, is not known for sure to us at the moment.
Except it can be known for sure, you retarded fuckhead. The laws of physics apply everywhere in the universe, it doesn't take much math to figure our the trajectory of a projectile given an initial velocity on any body with different gravitational acceleration. It's pathetically easy to model, and you would have to model it anyways to get to any other planet to begin with. You act like we need some sort of superscience shit to fire guns on different planets. We don't.
15fa83 No.527734
>>527724
> Ctrl + f
> Type in "Gyrojet"
> Phrase not found
It's like you want to be knocked around in space
123bc5 No.527735
>>527734
>Useless at point blank
>Fighting in space outside of a space ship.
Maybe if you're on some small minor planet.
1565d5 No.527736
>>527735
>Fighting in space outside of a space ship.
That's like saying
>fighting in the water outside of a submarine
There will always be a time where you need that niche weapon
123bc5 No.527737
>>527736
Bad analogy. Imagine a bunch of dudes floating around in the vacuum of space with no cover vs large spacecraft with lasers that can boil steel.
fc31e7 No.527738
>>527734
>recoilless rifles don't exist
123bc5 No.527739
>>527738
Those things do have recoil, and they're not like normal rifles.
01fceb No.527744
>>527735
A gyrojet has as much muzzle velocity as a .45acp round fired from a 1911 you idiot.
2d7041 No.527745
>>527724
No you're right, sorry for being such an idiot. I don't know why I didn't think of it that way.
You mind telling me more?
>>527718
>the atmosphere has no effect on the combustion of the propellant.
Incorrect. Not all atmospheres are without oxygen, or as the genius in this thread would put it, "vacuums".
He's on a whole other wavelength arguing from a different perspective a an entirely different premise and thinks I'm gonna keep arguing with him when all he's doing is rebuffing what I say and slinging insults in my face.
>>527735
>Depends on what you mean by bigger. You can have a large diameter planet with a lower density have less gravity than a small diameter, higher density planet. The determining factor for gravity is mass, the more mass, the stronger the gravitational field. - Quora
123bc5 No.527750
>>527744
Not sufficient for fighting the immeasurable cohorts of alien terrors. Would you want subsonic velocity for fighting against something that may be very large, or tough. Let me give you n example. Anything with a decentralized nervous system, which means there's no one spot that can be hit that will reliably result in death. You cannot simply poke a hole in them and kill them. You have to cause massive body devastation via hydrostatic shock, or burning. .45 level velocities are way too slow. Handgun rounds already have a hard enough time killing people. That kind of performance is absolutely unacceptable. A gyrojet just isn't a god "kill anything I happen to come across weapon. The weapon system I propossed is much better at this.
>Species without central nervous system and/or regeneration a la starfish
>High velocity dum-dum rounds
>Fighting a society of trans biological robots
>High velocity Armor piercing rounds with ultra dense penetrator core
2d7041 No.527751
>>527745
AND what do you know, it's been OP all along.
What an enormous cock sucking faggot. Why am I not surprised?
Here's to the day OP >>527750 can prove the possibility of firing a single bullet from a handgun or rifle on a planetary object with a gravitational density +100x that of our planet's own.
123bc5 No.527752
>>527751
>+100x that of our planet's own.
Why the fuck would we be fighting on a planet that is uninhabitable to us? That's like designing a gun for use on the surface of the sun, you dog sucking kid toucher.
123bc5 No.527753
>>527751
>100x our gravity
So a gas giant that we'd have no reason to be on? No rocky planet would ever be that big, you retarded dog dick sucking faggot. Holy shit. You have down syndrome so bad you have up, left, and right syndrome too.
2d7041 No.527754
>>527752
Mhm, cry more, bitch. It's space, and you aren't gonna win this fight.
No matter how many vacuums you have.
123bc5 No.527755
>>527754
Nigger you're the one crying because I dismissed some silly scenario about fighting on a gas giant. Now explain how a rocky planet would have 100x Earth gravity.
2d7041 No.527756
>>527755
You wanna win this fight you best start coming up with some ammo and gun ideas for made up space scenarios like you were in the beginning instead of salvaging the nuclear winter I just coated your sense in.
So think, assume we're on a planet with a density 100billion times that of our own and an Earth gun and bullet would weigh more than your mother. And we have suits that can counteract that gravitational force somehow, don't ask me how, we aren't armour design division. SO what?? Strong Nuclear laser guns or something?
123bc5 No.527758
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>>527756
No, you just made up some impossible scenario. It is impossible for a rocky planet to have that kind of mass without drawing in a fuckton gasses and becoming a gas giant. No deep space telescope has detected any rocky planets of that mass. I don't have to explain why we can't, or would even need to fight on a gas giant. There would never be a solid planet with that kind of gravity. Even 10x Earth's mass is pushing it. Even Neptune and Uranus dwarf any superearth we have detected. You just simply aren't smart enough to participate in these kind of discussions.
123bc5 No.527759
>>527758
Tl;dr there's no need to make a gun that can fire in a black hole.
2d7041 No.527760
>>527758
>>527759
Nah, you're just a big baby.
You can't see past the Milky Way with anything but google sky.
Well, while you're worrying about ayylmaos in the Grand Canyons I'll be ready to face multidimensional beings along the outskirts of the yet-to-be-created universe.
123bc5 No.527762
>>527760
You're just mad because your retarded concept of having radically different designs for different planets was shot down so now you're drunk and spouting off autistic nonsense.
2d7041 No.527766
>>527762
Well excuse me, Mr. Fission Incinerator and Chlorine Tri-fluoride
I don't see any reason why a weapon that can kill multidimensional's can't also be used against whatever needs to be killed with whatever it was you proposed. What was that? .45 4-gauge shells with rocket fuel propellant and a rifle feeding system?
aa743e No.527812
>>527751
100x gravity? Just make bullet 100x faster.
Evacuate the air volume of the barrel in front of the bullet, it will go super fast because it is being not only pushed by exploded gunpowder, but also pulled by vacuum.
The bullet will accelerate without limit within an evacuated barrel, as the pressure behind the bullet will always be higher than in front.
76fc6d No.527830
>>527812
Friction, dummy. Youd have to figure out optimal length for.your barrel.
2d7041 No.527833
aa743e No.527836
>>527833
Yes. That exact term results in what I'm thinking of when typed in a search engine.
>>527830
Friction wears out barrel and steals velocity?
What if outside of the bullet is coated in a material that sacrifices itself in order to not wear out barrel, perhaps graphite? The material on the surface of bullet must be softer than the barrel's inside.
Additionally, inside surface of barrel must be made from better material and tolerances. Standard manufacturing improvements.
Optimal barrel length is the length at which the pressure behind the bullet is the same as the pressure from gravity pulling the bullet down while in the barrel.
2d7041 No.527839
>>527836
Kind of like how you get hit by the bullet first and then hear the crack?
I get this feeling that the gun would be similar to that eye air-blowing machine at the optometrist's office.
Like, the target is hit with a strong gust or pinch of air at the same time the bullet reaches its mark.
123bc5 No.527841
123bc5 No.527842
>>527812
Explain how that would work though? By what method are you creating the vacuum?
Sage for double post
123bc5 No.527843
>>527766
> multidimensional's
Do we need a gun that kill ghosts and demons too? You never know what's out there, I guess.
aa743e No.527848
>>527839
The device does not puff like optometrist.
>>527842
Gas operation like M16 or AK is not possible with evacuated barrel type. Gas tap cannot be between muzzle and bullet, it must be recoil operated or gas tap placed behind/at bullet.
Attach non-output end of backpack air pump to barrel. Seal barrel at muzzle so vacuum does not escape.
Seal is strong enough to contain vacuum, weak enough to be punctured by bullet. Adhesive tape for cardboard box has shown sufficiency for sealing purpose.
Bullet is accelerated from behind by high pressure from explosion. Bullet is accelerated from front by zero pressure from evacuated volume.
Bullet punctures seal when fired and seal must be replaced before air pump valve for vacuum is opened again.
Puncturable disposable seal may be foregone if a recoil or gas-operation method is created to move a gasket-seal at the muzzle.
I admit the air pump backpack is inconvenient. I have not managed to think of a better way to achieve vacuum. Perhaps someone else can invent better air evacuator?
69523d No.527857
>>527442
>ClF3
Not the greatest shit. Oh sure, it's reactive as fuck and the fires it produces are nasty specially if it strikes metal, but it's an absolute pain to store. Any tiny hole in your fluorinated container 'will cause a spill, which will cause a fire and a cloud of hydrochloric acid and hydrofluoric acid. Have fun cleaning that shit.
>>527445
>universal phage
Useful only for bacteria and parasites, viruses would still get a pass. Also hope that it doesn't start recognizing your own body as a target.
How about polluting the enemy's water supply with concentrated Mad Cow prions?
20ed6f No.527866
>>527694
Dude the only thing that needs to change is the materials the gun and bullets is made of and the shape of the gun changing to match those changes in materials to account for gravity and atmospheric conditions. Planets with an extremely hazardous environment wouldn't even support normal human life so you'd be designing weapons for drones then your shit gets relevant but the gun part is still just a gun.
8d8b53 No.527870
>>527739
>Those things do have recoil,
Because of exhaust pushing off of the air behind the weapon, which wouldn't happen in a vacuum.
>and they're not like normal rifles.
So?
000000 No.527872
>>527442
>>527444
>>527445
>main purpose of caseless ammo is its light weight
>makes rifle 9.7 pounds
>completely defeats purpose
>(not optimized) at least they admit it
5dbd39 No.527878
028732 No.527885
>>527872
First of all, they can't design weapons for shit. Second, it's a 7.62 rifle, and for that it's still heavy.
1965bb No.527889
>>527848
>Gas Operated Rifles can't work in a vacuum be cause of lack of pressure already in the barrel.
So basically Gun's shoudn't work at all even at STP. You know the gasses that run the piston come from the burning Nitrocellulose based propellant that already has it's own oxidizer, right?
123bc5 No.527891
>>527857
> viruses
Most viruses in nature a species specific. A virus can theoretically be programmed to not target you. Bacteria and parasites are a bigger worry since they don't need to be genetically compatible with you to infect you.
c65f38 No.527899
>>527891
>vocal chord parasites
f37cb8 No.527901
>>527889
Pressure is still positive after valve, it's not just inertia.
1965bb No.527913
>>527901
> Leaf sourced gibberish.
You going to have to fucking explain what you just posted.
f37cb8 No.527916
>>527913
The image.
And can you cut the banter for a moment, I wasn't being hostile, I was just adding information.
1965bb No.527925
>>527916
That was a fairly Garbage gif to use. But as far as that guy was talking about, you should be still capable to use a Gas operated rifle in Vacuum. When dealing with Laser weapons, many here forget that you might not be using just steel and ceramic as armor, you might be using ice and "mud" filled with Carbon as well.
aa743e No.527930
>>527889
>>527925
You misunderstand. I know guns work in vacuum.
My words meant gas tap cannot be connected to the barrel between the bullet and muzzle, the barrel is supposed to contain a vacuum and having the gas tap there would increase complexity of the weapon's mechanisms too much.
1965bb No.527935
>>527930
It's still at dramatically reduced pressure at STP. None of that is necessary, in fact it's needlessly complicated seeing as how the round moving past the gas port would still have enough gas pressure to operate the rod normally.
1965bb No.527939
>>527930
Secondly, You just replace the recoil springs for lighter springs, you know the thing the op-rod is working against.
fb932e No.527941
>>527734
Couldn't a rifle somehow be made so that the recoil only moves the user backwards, thereby making it a crude form of space propulsion?
>>527760
>multidimensional space demons
>implying normal boolit wouldn't work just as well for killing it.
2d7041 No.527962
>>527866
I just get this feeling - and I know it's thinking waaaaaay too unnecessarily far into this - that on some planets the atmosphere might have traces of certain chemicals, or unknown chemicals, that when met with the ingredients of modern gunpowder or lead, or that tiny little spark of the primer, something terrible might happen.
Lo, I'm just not used to praising guns this much is all I guess. Give it some time.
2d7041 No.527963
>>527962
Or is it the vacuum and oxidizing agents what would prevent any kind of contact and violent reaction?
1965bb No.527964
>>527963
That and it's in an Air tight container in the first place. Don't you know how to gun?
f37cb8 No.527965
>>527925
Yes, thats true. Only a few mods would be needed.
>>527930
wtf is the point of that, you dont need air in a barrel…
OK let me just end this argument now because it's boring me:
Rifles in general are retarded in space because "infantry" battles will be fought by EVA suits with propellant packs at ranges of 5km+. At those ranges you're more likely to use a small ATGM mounted on your suit than an assault rifle.
2d7041 No.527968
>>527964
But there's always some sort of reaction, burst of speed, and increased heatwave signature upon release and through travel even as the hammer strikes the primer! God fucking damn it, I'm well aware of what a cartridge consists of and how it's made. Are you trying to tell me there's no sign of fire or combustible energy anywhere outside of the vacuum created when and as the bullet is released?
That if I could manage to hold my hand somewhere right on and near the bullet as it's being fired I wouldn't feel something; and that something wouldn't be a burst of increased temperature caused by some sort of combustion acting outwardly in or outside of it's little impenetrable vacuum of release? Are you guys fucking with me?
b62a44 No.527970
>>527965
>SAM barrel exits a foot away from the user's face
>breaks the sound barrier
>somehow he doesn't die
how does anyone fire these things and survive?
fc31e7 No.527971
>>527965
>Rifles in general are retarded in space because "infantry" battles will be fought by EVA suits with propellant packs at ranges of 5km+. At those ranges you're more likely to use a small ATGM mounted on your suit than an assault rifle.
>using something that needs to accelerate its mass over a long time vs something that can reach lethal velocity instantaneously
This thread is full of fucking retards who don't know shit about anything.
fc31e7 No.527972
>>527970
>breaking sound barrier
>in space
Please never post again, you're adding too much retardation.
b62a44 No.527973
>>527972
>guy sitting on a patio
>in a t shirt
>"he's in space"
fuck off plebbit.
2d7041 No.527974
>>527972
>>527644
You were the first signs of cancer to begin with.
fc31e7 No.527979
>>527973
>telling me to "fuck off plebbit"
>after using plebbit spacing
wew. Also you're an idiot for assuming that missiles come out of MANPAD systems at supersonic speeds right next to the user's face. They launch meters away from the user before turning on the second rocket. Have you never seen a shoulder fired SAM launch? Are you that new here?
>>527974
All (16) of your posts in this thread are garbage that doesn't make sense physically.
2d7041 No.527980
>>527979
I can explain it for you
I can't understand it for you.
1965bb No.527989
>>527968
Do you lube your rifles with Astrolite? If not then there's no concern. Especially if you have phrased your original query in such a retarded fashion where we don't know what you were asking for in the first place.
dd58d8 No.527995
As security hired to protect a mostly automated asteroid mining/processing facility you get to pick one weapon (in addition to taser for mutinying crew).
What weapon do you choose? Keep in mind you may by sent out to shoot pirates in a vacuum.
b62a44 No.527996
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>>527979
>being this familiar with plebbit
2d7041 No.528003
>>527989
>retarded
blah blah I'm smarter than you and you're dumb
blah blah because I say so
>>527995
I'd choose VPN's and memes.
fc31e7 No.528004
27dbbb No.528006
aa743e No.528007
>>527965
Pump creates vacuum in barrel so bullet goes faster. You misunderstood purpose of pump because I am bad at drawing.
Follow the chain of comments to see an anon asking for a solution to 100x bullet drop, to which I responded with 100x faster bullet.
>>527995
Use a bullet that breaks up at the muzzle for multiple projectile for maximum hit chance. A single hit is all that is needed to puncture spacesuit and cause death. Multiple punctures make patching spacesuit in time impossible.
Single puncture has reduced viability because the person can patch their suit too easily if it is one hole.
>>528003
Thread quality is declining.
1965bb No.528009
>>528003
Nigger, you're the one asking stupid questions. Take that shit back to reddit.
1965bb No.528010
>>528007
If you're already in a Vacuum of space, you don't need a pump.
1965bb No.528011
>>528007
>Use a bullet that breaks up at the muzzle for multiple projectile for maximum hit chance. A single hit is all that is needed to puncture spacesuit and cause death. Multiple punctures make patching spacesuit in time impossible.
Single puncture has reduced viability because the person can patch their suit too easily if it is one hole.
So a .410 shotgun basically. What is the Suits can seal breaches.
dd58d8 No.528027
>>528007
>suit wrapped in Kevlar
Nice try mate, maybe the broadsword was actually a good idea.
6cf936 No.528038
Actual fights in space via ships would have to be done via computers. The faster you travel the harder you are to hit. Thus everyone will try and travel as fast as possible. After a certain point even computer-aided human firing is impossible. You'll have to let the computers handle all of the weapon systems. Unless there's some weird reason why ships have to meet on the field of battle and duke it out.
f37cb8 No.528043
>>527970
There's a recoilless launch which throws the rocket about 1-5 yards away. Only then does the rocket engine ignite, when the exhaust can't touch the person.
>>527971
And how do you intend to hit anything if it can change position before your bullet reaches it? Slowest bullet I can find moves about 270m/s.
>270m/s in 300m (earthly ranges) = 1.1 second
>5km in 1.1 second = 4.5km/s
To compare it to faster bullets like .223, an equivalent space projectile would have to move at 15km/s, to give you the performance you expect out of a rifle on earth. The bullets just don't go that fast, in order to hit anything at appreciable ranges you need a railgun, laser, or a missile.
By the way 5km is knife fighting range in space. An inexpensive CCD infrared sensor and lidar can range a guy in a suit at 100km easy. EVA fighting is going to take place at ranges similar to modern fighter combat.
>>528007
>Pump creates vacuum in barrel so bullet goes faster.
With respect, that's even less intelligent. On earth there's 1 atmosphere of pressure, behind the bullet there's 3742 atmospheres of pressure.
By vacuuming the barrel (in space wtf???) you make the pressure differential 3743 instead of 3742. Which is frankly pointless.
ba17f4 No.528053
Fuck your space guns, I want space suits of armor and battleaxes that'll fuck the other guy up. Oh and would grenades work in space?
f37cb8 No.528057
>>528053
They would have to be directed grenades, like claymores. Square cube law is a bitch. There's way less shockwave so any danger from a grenade would be due to fragments, meaning they'd be 99% shrapnel, the explosive would be a very small amount.
aa743e No.528064
>>528010
The original question wasn't taking place in space. It was on a theoretical 100x gravity planet with an atmosphere. In space, evacuating the air from the barrel does indeed become useless.
>>528011
Very good tape can be manually applied to seal suit leaks long enough to get back into airlock. It isn't a permanent seal.
>>528043
With 1 atmosphere in front of bullet in barrel, the air in front of bullet increases in pressure when bullet moves down the barrel and gives resistance to acceleration. Faster bullets build up more pressure in front.
With no pressure in front of bullet due to vacuum, the bullet can accelerate much more.
f37cb8 No.528065
>>528064
>With no pressure in front of bullet due to vacuum, the bullet can accelerate much more.
How many times more.
b32aaf No.528089
>>527442
Did that one anon ever finish the bolter design he was working on a few years ago.
123bc5 No.528171
>>527965
Individual dudes wouldn't be fighting in the vacuum of space. I should have put "conquer the galaxy." in the OP.
1965bb No.528189
So whats the point of the LSAT program other than to waste money?
df29ca No.528204
>>528089
>Take electronics from OICW program.
>Figure out how to make small 2-stage rocket motor.
>Add hardened tip, time or penetration based timer programed by scope.
>Add electricly driven action. Prevent out of battery detonation (and by the throne hope the second stage doesn't kick in on an open breach) as well as regulating fire rate.
Boom, bolter. Airburst is still possible with standard ammo and specialty ammo is infinite in possibilities with a .75 cal slug to work with.
bd7d63 No.528216
>>527751
Not even the sun has a surface gravity 100x that of Earth. It's only about 30x.
Anything with surface gravity 100x Earth norm is either a live and very large star, or a stellar remnant.
Idiot.
2d7041 No.528218
>>528216
Cry more. You think just because a gun can fire in a vacuum and you saw Mythbusters, you dumb sacks of retarded think a gun can fire anywhere in space.
aa4dff No.528219
>>527751
What the fuck does gravity have to do with driving a projectile? The only factor I could think of is ballistic trajectory which would be much steeper, with substantial bullet drop right out of the muzzle.
2d7041 No.528224
>>528219
Come on bitch, I'll take you all on.
fc31e7 No.528225
>>528043
>And how do you intend to hit anything if it can change position before your bullet reaches it? Slowest bullet I can find moves about 270m/s.
By firing a faster projectile, genius. You just answered your question yourself by mentioning railguns.
123bc5 No.528413
>>528218
>>528224
By take on you mean autistically screech because people dismissed your scientifically improbably ideas. Just give up, there's no planet with 100x earth gravity.
2d7041 No.528444
>>528413
Come on, you're almost there.
a7e853 No.528472
>>528413
In all honesty space is so huge that there is probably at least one. I don't have the faintest idea of why we would fight on a planet that we can't survive on though, so the entire conversation is stupid.
f37cb8 No.528499
>>528225
You missed the point of my entire comment you giant fucking idiot.
Next time read more than the INTRODUCTORY SENTENCE and fucking think about what you read.
>You just answered your question yourself by mentioning railguns.
Retard we're arguing about currently issued assault rifles being used in space.
2d7041 No.528507
>>528499
>Retard we're arguing about currently issued assault rifles being used in space.
No, a couple of faggots were arguing that to 'me' as a response to their disagreement with whatever it was I said when I didn't specify the use of modern guns - but they need something to type about so it's whatever. More than half of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with OP's original post because the faggot decided to argue with me as well.
69523d No.528534
>>527891
>A virus can theoretically be programmed to not target you.
I know that, what I mean that hopefully it won't mutate and start attacking the host. Still, with some cleverness you could prevent it by making the virus leave specific antibodies in the surface of the attacked cell, tagging any cell for death if those ABs are present. I presented the problem because viruses are notorious for their capacity to mutate through horizontal gene transfer, which is probably one of the concerns that stops this specific type of therapy being used in real life (phage therapy).
Besides, if you can implant specific, virus producing cells into the spleen, then you're pretty much engaging in next generation biological warfare, i.e. you could perfectly engineer ebola spreading fungi.
f37cb8 No.528546
>>528507
Whatever, I'm a sissyboy then.
The points I'm trying to insert are:
1. Assault rifles in space can technically function, if the lubrication problem is solved by sintering ceramics to the part.
2. Assault rifles in space won't actually be used because the ranges are ridiculous.
3. At the shortest possible ranges, the only thing that can be used is a railgun, which is insanely resource intensive.
4. At medium ranges, a laser is the only thing that will work, because it's the fastest "dumb" weapon that can be aimed at the point of firing.
5. At longer ranges, missiles become necessary. It doesn't matter when they get there, as long as they can carry a guidance system with them.
6. In the immediate sense, as in if a space suited battle took place in open space now, it would likely be by EVA suit - which is a mini spaceship. This suit doesn't have the power for laser or railguns, so the most mass efficient thing to use would be a missile.
123bc5 No.528552
>>528472
It's basic physics. If a planet was that large it would draw in enough material to become a gas giant.
40ebe6 No.528574
>>528552
even less reason to fight on it
123bc5 No.528616
>>528574
Yep, but a certain retard in this thread won't stop crying about his retarded scenarios being dismissed.
2d7041 No.528678
>>528546
>not communicating with your intellectual overlords through images, on an image posting website
bd7d63 No.528726
>>528218
>You think just because a gun can fire in a vacuum and you saw Mythbusters, you dumb sacks of retarded think a gun can fire anywhere in space.
Guns work in space for the same reason that chemical rockets work in space. Both use a chemical reaction to force a mass out one end of the device. The only real difference is that guns send a single projectile while rockets send a lot of gas.
If you're really worried about the barrel overheating through sustained fire you can always wrap it in a water jacket, but most engagements wouldn't last long enough to make a difference.
bd7d63 No.528728
>>528472
>>528552
In order for an object to have 100g or an acceleration of 980 m/s^2 toward its center it would already have more material than the sun. When any object gets over 100 Jupiter masses the internal pressure gets to be enough to cause gravitational confinement fusion of light elements at its core. Anything with 100 Jupiter masses becomes a fully convective M class dwarf star. Anything with 100g is a large yellow or blue main sequence star or a remnant of an even larger star.
Even if we were talking about an iron star or black dwarf, so the heat wouldn't be a problem, the gravity would be so intense that no human or structure built for use on Earth would be able to survive. Everything you have ever touched would be flattened into a smear the thickness of a nickel.
2d7041 No.528807
>>528726
I'm not arguing semantics with you.
f37cb8 No.528851
>>528552
>>528574
The only way to survive on the surface of a gas giant (if they have a surface) is to be made out of crystals.
They're the only thing that can maintain any kind of structure, the surface itself would be a perfect sphere due to extreme weathering and gravity.
>>528807
There are only three modifications to assault rifles to make them usable in space. Lubricity needs to be increased by sintering ceramics to parts like cerakote, heat issue has to be solved with a heat sink + radiators, and a minor issue with aiming the damn thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikhter_R-23
First true telescoped cartridge, and it fired just fine in space.
2d7041 No.528940
>>528851
I honestly haven't read more than 10 words of any of your responses.
5c8588 No.528994
>>528728
We're talking about 100 earth masses, not 100 jupiter masses. Jupiter already has 300+ earth masses and it is not a star.
There is nothing in principle preventing a solid planet with 100 earth masses, it is only a question of what incredibly unlikely series of events could occur to make it happen. Which means somewhere in the universe it has happened.
f37cb8 No.529028
>>528940
… don't understand how you think that's a plus for you.
dd58d8 No.529050
>>528057
Stickynade launcher would be terrifying.
Imagine one gets stuck to your helmet and you have a fraction of a second to panic.
2d7041 No.529077