[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / asmr / chicas / gdp2083 / hikki / htg / russian / strek / vore ]

/k/ - Weapons

Salt raifus and raifu accessories
Email
Comment *
File
* = required field[▶ Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Embed
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options
Password (For file and post deletion.)

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4, pdf
Max filesize is 16 MB.
Max image dimensions are 15000 x 15000.
You may upload 5 per post.


There's no discharge in the war!

File: 13818ed1d1e8151⋯.png (216.54 KB, 1460x3212, 5:11, 1508521065958.png)

95ea84 No.524752

Had an idea for an improvised chemical weapon a few days ago. Posted it on 4chan, but didn't get much feedback besides the same ATF joke.

It's basically a two part smoke bomb with two PVC pipes filled with a KNO3 + Sugar smoke bomb mixture and attached together with cord/hose clamps/etc. One smoke bomb will contain Capsaicin oil as an additive, extracted from peppers, while the other one will contain Urushiol (or at least ground up Poison Ivy if the oil can't be collected as easy. It's a process not as well documented as extracting Capsaicin.) that will also be extracted with alcohol If possible. The bomb of course will have two fuses stuck into both parts of it and will twisted to connect into one point, where an improvised pull tab igniter can be attached.

Effects of Capsaicin:

>The initial reaction should the spray be directed at the face, is the completely involuntary closing of the eyes (sometimes described as leading to a disconcerting sensation of the eyelids "bubbling and boiling" as the chemical acts on the skin), an instant sensation of the restriction of the airways and the general feeling of sudden and intense, searing pain about the face, nose, and throat.

Effects of Urushiol:

>Because the plants' urushiol toxin is not hampered by fire, burning it can actually cause serious illness. Inhaling or being exposed to smoke from burning poison ivy, oak or sumac can result in a serious allergic reaction in the nasal passages, lungs and throat as well as on the skin. If poison ivy is burned and the smoke then inhaled, this rash will appear on the lining of the lungs, causing extreme pain and possibly fatal respiratory difficulty.

Thoughts?

b5f332 No.524765

>>524752

How do you think the explosion would affect the effectiveness of used compounds?


95ea84 No.524767

>>524765

Not much considering it's not really an explosive, but a fuel that consistently burns, and gives off a lot of heat and thick smoke (hopefully carrying whatever additives I put into it in the air). I assumed that the Urushiol (or ground up Ivy plants) would burn i n the same fasion as one would burn a patch of Poison Ivy in the woods, something that is universally agreed to be a bad idea due to the noxious smoke.

I am hoping that the capsaicin would act like a pepper that has been cooked on a pan for far too long, smoking up the entire kitchen with irritating smoke.

I am hoping that the heat from the smoke bomb fuel would recreate these two scenarios.


a60a66 No.524770

>>524752

>Capsaicin

>bombs

oh fuck we are living in ss13 universe


c61697 No.524771

Hi ATF


95ea84 No.524772

>>524771

Real original


88e72f No.524778

>>524752

not sure smoke is the best dispersal method. I'm not much of a chemist, but wouldn't aerosolising this (very hypothetical) mixture be more effective?


8460f2 No.524797

>>524778

For the capsaicin sure, but the poison ivy imparts its toxicity to the smoke directly.

>What is the only thing hotshots won't control burn. Poison Ivy and similar plants.


db5f72 No.524829

File: 6749992ecbe3b2a⋯.jpg (20.96 KB, 341x512, 341:512, NOPE.jpg)

If you are using the ol pottasium nitrate and suger mixture, the smoke will take a while to fill a room. It would be easy for someone to just kick that thing back. It would be more effective to put some explosives in the spread your mixture in a wider area. Hypothetically speaking


88e72f No.524832

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>524797

OK, so speed up the burn (dry/dehydrate the ivy, mix in a few accelerants etc.) and add a timed bursting charge to spread the smoke over the target area as rapidly as the burn will allow. This doesn't sound like the sort of thing you want the other guy throwing back at you.


fd871e No.524861

>>524752

So, you've got a pepper-spray smoke bomb and a poison ivy-spray smoke bomb. All you've really got here is tear gas: good for area denial, but not really a good weapon in and of itself. It may be useful when you're running from the ATF.


0825eb No.524868

>>524861

Your better off with that infograph from that anon on halfchan on making nerve agents. at that stage.

>>524752

The only way I see this working is you know your target attends rallies and has life threatening reactions to ivy/caspin

Or you can get industrial grade caspin and try to perma blind them?


b4c7fb No.524888

>please talk about illegal things so we can get an easy arrest guys


bf0558 No.524897

File: 0c65a8b2e7375f4⋯.png (35.67 KB, 283x178, 283:178, 0c65a8b2e7375f4a957eff50f3….png)

>>524829

>>524888

>>524771

>Step aside, FBI's taking lead here

Use metal pipe instead of that pvc, its nozzle will hold up to the heat better.

Maybe try one with distinct layers of the oils, might make for more concentrated puffs of smoke. The ignition wouldn't be affected if the fuse went on down to the kno3.

.22lr case for ignition would be faster to deploy than that fuse.


72a9c0 No.524921

>>524770

Honk honk


88e72f No.525002

>>524897

>.22lr case for ignition would be faster to deploy than that fuse.

Are you going to hook the .22 propellant up to a fuse? Or set up a hammer mechanism to strike the primer?


f858f2 No.525008

File: 5daa0971b0b9f5a⋯.jpg (1.89 MB, 1959x2969, 1959:2969, Jap2.jpg)

File: db6f96c63ef8e0a⋯.jpg (2.39 MB, 2481x2954, 2481:2954, japnade.jpg)

>>525002

Courtesy of a June 1945 edition of a Maple officers manual that has multiple RESTRICTED DO NOT GIVE TO PRESS OR ANYONE ELSE warnings in it. What are they gonna do, threaten to deport me again?


e7b9b1 No.525009

>extracting urashiols

Synthesizing them looks muuuuch easier. I'm skeptical of the claim they're unaffected by fire but a slow burn would probably work.

The nitrate+sugar is kiddie shit tbh


88e72f No.525017

>>525008

>Strike grenade against rock.

>After smoke appears you have 5-6 seconds before detonation.

>Areyoutryingtoblowyourselfup.jpg

>Japanese grenade

Oh, that makes sense.


f858f2 No.525031

>>525017

For a smoke sort of grenade or something launched from a golf ball launcher it works wonders.


88e72f No.525081

>>525031

Would you strike it against a rock before launching it out of a golf ball launcher then?


f858f2 No.525085

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>525081

The impact of it hitting something would set it off. The diagram is a perfect example of how to adapt X to Y. Instead of a timed fuse, you just have something that is immediate detonation. Improvised weaponry is a beautiful thing when you realize commonly available stuff can be used, model rocketry a steel tube and a warhead of your design could easily work as a crude anti-personnel device. Chemical rockets on demand anyone?


c1920e No.525090

>>525008

>premade blasting cap

>TNT

Not improvised enough.

>>524752

This is essentially no better than tear gas. Why not just tape two glass bottles, one filled with ammonia and the other bleach, and throw it?

>>524868

>making nerve agents

A little ambitious. Why not start with babby-tier lethal chemical weapons like mustard gas instead?


22e79d No.525133

>causing extreme pain and possibly fatal respiratory difficulty

You don't even have to burn poison ivy for your body to go into anaphylactic shock. I'd almost rather be shot. It would be slightly less annoying.


319f61 No.525178

>>525008

Does that officer manual still count as not being able to share?


f858f2 No.525185

>>525178

If I recall none of them were ever per-say surplus'd out to the general public and most that are out there were ones officers brought back with them. I know a fellow who has all of them starting from Jan 1940 to Sep1945. I should really ask him if I can digitize his collection of them, the one I have was an extra he had.


319f61 No.525186

>>525185

Hope you can get them legally digitized for all of us to see. I know I would love having them.


058951 No.525190

Why are they separate?

>>524868

>nerve agents

So I've been thinking about writing a murder mystery…


f858f2 No.525191

File: 410692f10e95fe1⋯.png (9.1 MB, 1899x2969, 1899:2969, jap1.png)

>>525186

There ain't no law where I'm at, I honestly don't give a fuck.


319f61 No.525192

>>525191

I say you go for it then.


0825eb No.525258

>>524752

White phosphorus +ivy + explosion? ? Im not sure if WP would burnt dirty enough to leave rapid smoke emission.

>>525090

Just throwing the idea out.

Honestly, another way to achieve a massive death toll is simple. Next time ebola happens, inject yourself or your 'bomber' and just go back to escape the outbreak ASAP. Go to public-venue (Concert) sick. Act like a drunk ass faggot.


a17fb3 No.525338

>>525258

Its not White Phosphorous, it's just amateur smoke bomb mix, and certainly burns dirty enough to give off smoke.


4eeccf No.525400

>>524778

>Aerosolising

You mean like *pepperspray*? Or CS gas? By the way, both capcasin and urushiol oil are soluble in isopropanol and ethanol.


4eeccf No.525403

>>524868

>Industrial grade

That's fucking stupid. All pure capcasin is the same. The standard method (which I've done) is just to soak dried hot peppers in high concentration alcohol, remove the peppers, and dry it.


a60a66 No.525405

>>525403

>The standard method (which I've done) is just to soak dried hot peppers in high concentration alcohol, remove the peppers, and dry it.

and you can always tell the cops that you are pickling them


3ad716 No.525424

Honestly, I would try to find a method of aerosoling an extract of giant hogweed. It's phototoxic, so if it hits the skin and someone it outside, they get a really nasty burn.


9270bd No.525585

>>525405

Is capcasin and/or pepperspray illegal in Poland or something?


a60a66 No.525587

>>525585

i have no idea i just was hungry when i wrote that


6fa6dc No.525656

>>524752

You're not thinking big enough.

Buy a fog machine. Or build one, the principal is similar to that of a vape. Mix a significant amount of urushiol with propylene glycol, fill your fog machine with it, turn it on and run.


319f61 No.527105

>>525191

Any update?


000000 No.527413

>KNO3 + Sugar

You'd be better off just pressing ground up poison oak leaves into layers of KNO3. The spems and shit would be oxidized and the oils would be in the smoke. I'd add a small amount of rust powder to speed up the reaction and form it in a pipe with a hole in the middle, and then I'd glue a few sparklers in the hole as igniters.

Hypothetically, of course.


5f0c6b No.527440

File: c809a356abfdfe1⋯.jpg (60.22 KB, 720x720, 1:1, 167bcd2cc1b3830972effd98b5….jpg)

>>524752

Or, you just mix sulfur into normal smoke bomb formula and call it a day. The smoke is just as irritating to the eyes, lungs, and mucous membranes as tear gas, and it's lethally poisonous if inhaled in even moderate quantities.

Chlorine gas is just a two component mixture; get chlorine pool tablets and crush them into powder, mix with muriatic acid (diluted hydrochloric acid, also used for swimming pools) and it produces chlorine gas, which is also a strong irritant and fatal if too much is inhaled.

Nitromethane (RC plane fuel) mixed with household bleach creates chlorpicrin gas, which has the lethality of phosgene or chlorine gas, is just as irritating, and it has the added effect of being a vomit gas capable of penetrating most non-military gas mask filters. It penetrates the mask and your options are to either puke inside the gas mask and drown, or take off the gas mask and expose yourself to even more poison gas. CP has also been known to cause headaches so intense that people have committed suicide just to end the pain.

There's countless more chemical weapons out there. Hell, if you want to learn how to make sarin or VX nerve gas at home, just download a pdf of Scientific Principles of Improvised Warfare, it's an entire series of books telling you how to properly make serious chemical and biological weapons (yes, it tells you how to make drug-resistant anthrax and bubonic plague and deploy it in populated areas), as well as explosives and incendiaries. Perfectly legal to own the books, too.


b608b2 No.527443

Why don't you just burn the building to the ground?


bf281a No.527446

>>527440

>>527440

>Hell, if you want to learn how to make sarin or VX nerve gas at home, just download a pdf

Daily reminder that the more lethal a substance is the more likely you'll kill yourself making it. The risk of killing yourself making sarin is so high that the government is not as worried about it because the mortality rate is so fucking high.

DO NOT MAKE TOXIC CHEMICALS THAT YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE, FORMAL TRAINING, PROPER PPE AND ENVIRONMENT FOR! YOU'LL KILL YOURSELF AND WHOLE FAMILY IN YOUR BATHTUB PROJECT!


84e59c No.527447

>>527105

Been procrastinating on my copy, haven't been a hold of mr.collector in a bit. It'll be around eventually.

>>527446

There is nothing wrong with creating a chemical hazard in your bathroom. Its an ideal way of getting back at the asshole who leaves skidmarks innabowl.


a21115 No.527459

>>527440

the atf are niggers


2026d3 No.527493

File: 8ca11e366973f4d⋯.jpg (97.27 KB, 932x1024, 233:256, laffin alex jones.jpg)

>>527447

>innabowl


80d003 No.527673

>>527447

I'll keep lurking this thread for an update on whenever scan.




[Return][Go to top][Catalog][Nerve Center][Cancer][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[]
[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / asmr / chicas / gdp2083 / hikki / htg / russian / strek / vore ]