/k/ - Weapons

>>522555

>Implying

Fuck off, 9mm is the king of pistol rounds

>>522564

The meme of pistol rounds, you mean.

>>522555

>having feminine hands that can't shoot anything except mouse rounds fast and accurately

>having aim so bad that 15 rounds isn't enough to kill someone

>a lighter, smaller bullet travelling slower is just as effective as a heavier, large diameter bullet travelling faster

See 15:00 for damage vs soft targets

>>522567

I'm not saying your wrong but what the fuck would you know?

>>522555 (checked)

Higher recoil shouldn't be an issue if you're holding the firearm right and train with it. Most people who complain about recoil just bought their first firearm, or are moving up in caliber.

The only thing you need instant in-the-gun capacity of ammunition for is if you have a fully automatic firearm and need to provide fucking cover fire or pin someone down.

For anything else its pretty much useless, because if you need extra bullets you can CARRY THEM.

>>522574

People know things, anon.

>.40 S&W

>perfect

Its shit. If you are going with .40, go with 10mm. If want more punch than a 9mm without going all the way, .357sig is a better choice.

>>522602

> .357 sig

Haven't looked at the ballistics closely, but I would expect the smaller bullet would have much higher velocities than either, having as much powder as a .40.

Say, do you know how to build a poly80 in .357? I have a barrel, an upper and lower kit … but they guy at the gun show said I needed to select exactly the right slide … a 19L, with adapter…?

>>522605

I don't know enough to answer your question. As to why choose .357sig over .40 S&W, it shoots flatter and has increased penetration than other pistol rounds while still packing the same punch as a .357mag. Its a criminally underrated round.

>>522605

I'm not sure about the poly80, but everything but the barrel on Glocks is swappable between .40S&W and .357Sig. The bolt face on a 9mm slide is too small to work.

>>522541

It is objectively the best.

>>522602

.357 is too expensive, costs more than .44 mag per round

Until it comes down, .40 is the king.

>>522608

It's not as strong as a .357 mag, the idea was to get a rough equivalent in semi auto.

>>522616

The idea was to meet one of the Highway Patrol 125gr loads in a semi-auto, which it did with flying colors.

Is it really invasion of the fudds? Oh wait no, just Strayan' shitposting.

>>522622

If doublestack mags were common, this round would be all the rage for carbines and plinkers. 9mm might even die because it performs less capably, costs more, and has less capacity.

>>522622

What guns still use .30 Luger.

>>522567

>What is gross motor skills

>What is combat stress

>What is better to have and not need then need and not have

>What is double stack magazines

>What is Australia

>>522615

> what is handloading

>>522633

not enough

>>522710

Most of us actually agreed with him because he's right.

It's pretty common knowledge at this point that .327 fed mag and 9mm are the best self-defense cartridges, and .357 mag and 10mm are the best innawoods cartridges. Therefore, OP, you won't catch anyone with that bait.

>>522732

Also, .40 S&W is a compromise cartridge.

It's the .223 of handgun cartridges.

>>522732

t. James Yeager

If you're going in grizzly territory, you don' want a .357 mag you want a .454 casull or equivalent.

>>522734

Obviously there are exceptions, but for the vast majority of people (and the vast majority of North American game) the .357 is fine.

>>522617

Nope, the idea was to approximate the .357 in semi auto, not equal it.

>>522733

.223 wasn't a compromise, the .308 was.

.40 is not a compromise because it is objectively more powerful than both the .45 and 9mm while costing less than the .45 and about 2 cents more than the 9 per round.

>>522734

fwiw, you should be using a rifle in at least .35 whelen if you're fighting f'ing Grizzly bears. The "bear pistol" is a meme useful only when the next thing you have is your dick in your hand.

>>522736

A lot of bear pistol rounds are equivalent to rifle rounds. Not everyone is gonna go walk their dogs with a 50 BMG

>>522736

When you're defending yourself against a bears, niggers, whatever else, you don't want acceptable you want ideal. 9mm is ubiquitous because it's cheap and women, people who barely train etc. can handle it.

Listen, I shoot .40 and 9mm. If I'm in a self defense situation I want my 9mm. I can accurately dump a mag of 9mm into a body fast. I can't say the same for the .40

>>522758

Honest question, why shoot .40 then? I mean I stock/shoot/carry 9x19 and .45ACP, but I'm comfortable with both.

>>522748

>.223 wasn't a compromise, the .308 was.

I'm not sure what do you mean by compromise in this context, but the 7.62x51 is really just a shortened 30-06 that the US Army rammed down on the throat of NATO, while the 5.56x45 and the M16 were adopted as a temporary solution until one of those retarded weapons from SPIW or SALVO or whatever other experimental program was ready.

>>522764

because a .40 USP was my first handgun and I still like it well enough. It's a decent range gun. my M&P is better for defense though.

>>522639

turning in to Chad Armflail with adrenaline is a meme. a meme to make hyperventilating panic-ers feel better about their deficiencies, like fatties blaming the mac donals.

>>522771

>>522771

.308 was shortened bc euros wouldn't stop bitching about the 30-06 being too powerful and big, and wanting a round like the 5.56

Your caseless meme is a meme, get over it.

>>522732

>.357

>10mm

Again those rounds could be OK depending on the type of loading. If the round is over 200 grain, it's acceptable.

>>522758

.40 was literally designed for women, and you still can't control it? What kind of a limp wristed sissy twink are you?

>>522834

>euros

>wanting a round like the 5.56

You don't know anything about anything.

How do I get into 10mm without raping my wallet? Also, is it stupid to go polymer frame with these or go compact?

>>522840

Don't overgun the frame size as it will just result in the gun bouncing around in your hand and be impossible to get proper follow-up shots.

>>522710

>muh bait

>Not taking advantage of the post to actually discuss pistol rounds

You're the real shitposter.

>>522800

>"I don't bother to read P.F. Skinner because I'm a tool that makes note of things anecdotally only."

>"Or I'm a troll."

>>522834

Unironically reported

>>522919

for sure, britcuck

>>522723

>a fucking leaf agrees with OP the master baiter

>>522992

So does anyone with experience shooting through cover or concealment. Lardass.

>>522639

>>What is combat stress

SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EXIST IF YOU HAVE 10MM STOPPIN POWAH

FEDCUCKS GTFO WITH YOUR SISSY WRISTS

>combat stress

>>522555

one fudd word HYDROSTATIC SHOCK

>>522564

incorrect. glorious 9x18mm is.

>>522541

I sincerely wish Australians weren't allowed to post on weapons boards. Or imageboards in general.

If you have no experience with something you should not talk about that something, my penis-obsessed original posting friend.

>>523688

So, how many people have you shot?

btw, how does Aus keep the fags away but have everything good and fun leftybanned? no understandu

>>523688

Australians aren't even that bad.

Bongs and leafs can be absolutely fucking atrocious shitposters though, not even BR shitposters approach some of the bong/leafposts I've seen on this board.

>>523696

the BO is a burger. auspocket is just the most vocal of the bunch. theres also a mod from california

>>523718

Aussie's are good, Canadians are good

It's the damn Britbongs on here that are mindboggling aweful, and that one Hungarian poster because he won't stop fucking shilling his caseless meme.

>>523745

>losing an argument makes Bongs and Hungarians shitposters

>he still thinks telescoped ammo is caseless

That #Hungaryanon is a better poster than you'll ever be

>>523664

>>523744

>>522567

>surgeon that specializes on treating gunshot wounds explains why pistol bullet cartridge type doesn't mean shit (because they all perform the same).avi

>>523880

>different cartridges vs ballistic gel.jpg

>>522835

You can't read apparently. Not surprised since you are a fucking Leaf. I never said anything about control issues. I was talking about accuracy with rapid fire. When mag dumping, I have tighter groupings on a 9mm.

>>523880

>>523881

Ok, Colgate toothpaste.

Explain why 9x19 is absolute dogshit for hunting with, whilst 10mm is the one automatic cartridge recognized as a hunting caliber. Remind me again how larger calibers don't make a difference, nor does initial impact energy or expansion.

The difference between the properly loaded 10mm and everything else auto is night and day.

>>523880

>>523881

>muh .pdf

>muh .avi

>a surgeon

modern high pressure rounds are superior. Technology tends to, you know, progress as we learn more.

>inb4 muh FBI report

the country is gayer now than it was 30 years ago, and all federal agencies have become more anti-gun, so it's no surprise they're favoring the weaker round.

>>524173

>Technology tends to, you know, progress as we learn more.

There is such a thing as stasis technology you know, anon.

>>524165

Daily reminder that 10mm has more energy than .223 out of SBR barrel.

>>523880

utterly untrue, there's a really good statistics driven doctors reporting on GSW fatalities and caliber does matter. part of it is ofc that dindus nuggus and pedro cann't into ammo selection or aiming and that really delfates the stats for 9mm.

9mm + a good expanding bullet + good shot placement is excellent.

357mag or 10mm has better statistical kill rate, better one-hit drop rate. bulkier platform, lower capacity, and most of all it requires a skilled shooter to be effective. that's the tradeoff. 9mm needs range time, 10mm NEEDS range time.

Henpecking people that want to stretch their shooting legs and learn to use large caliber handguns as skilled gunslingers is faggy, don't do that. Elmer Keith is frowning on you.

>>522605

do et

>>524185

stasis happens when someone hangs onto something for too long, sounds familiar

>>522555

>implying lower mag capacity isn't an issue

says the guy from the country that uses Walther PPKs

>>524431

>I don't know what stagnation is

>Anything new is automatically better

>>522541

anti-40'ism is a very popular reddit meme

>>531165

Stagnation is when you use a little bullet designed for a weird gun from over a century ago and you don't want to give it up because Reddit likes the meme of using it, even after it fails all over the place and those in power refuse to adjust the pressure because their organizations are even more populated by even more pozzed faggots in the current year, so even chickenshit 9mm is a challenge to shoot.

>>534997

> very popular reddit meme

and so is the >muh .300 NIGGERout

>>534997

>less capacity for no benefit is a meme

It's more common sense than anything, fedcuck

>>535036

>muh capacity

1 fewer bullet makes no difference, buttmad idiot

>>535075

Sound logic there, friend, why do we need magazines at all?

You only need single shot firearms you dumb fucking bastards.

>>535093

>hurrr durrrr hurrr durrr

the sig p229 holds 12 rounds of .40 and 13 rounds of 9mm

if you think that matters, you are a retard.

>>535111

Yeah those stupid bastards wanting an extra round are fucking stupid.

There's absolutely no reason for wanting higher capacity.

God damn how can people be so stupid?

Retards, jesus.

>>535156

>1 LESS BULLET MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LIVING IN ANOTHER PLANET BY NOW LMAO

gas yourself

>>535160

I know, these fucking dumb retards and their obsession with capacity, just hit the nigga on the first shot lmao, like aim haha

I bet these fags want shoulder things that go up too.

>>535036

>>535093

>>535156

>>535165

It's still shitposting, even if you're being ironic

>>535166

No irony about less capacity for absolutely nothing in return, Polizia di Stato cornuto. .40 is a compromise round and it performs as such. Less capacity than 9mm, less penetration than 10mm, not inherently subsonic like fuddyfive. Garbage round used by wannabe operators.

>>535165

capacity is an issue between a 7 round 1911 and you average 17rd polymershit.

capacity is not an issue when the difference is 1 fucking round.

grow up, loser.

>>535170

>huehuehuehue look at me, I can list all my favorite reddit platitudes.

difference in capacity by 1 or two rounds is negligible

you're getting a round that is 25% more powerful than 9mm

you're getting a round that penetrates more than 9mm

it's more powerful than .45 and has substantially more capacity than a 45

>huehuehue 10mm meme

gas yourself

>>535170

Fixating on one round of difference is extremely autistic and not in the cool way, you're looking like a little bitch who can't accept somebody's different taste because of one extremely minute difference from what you consider ideal. Find a better cause to dedicate your time to.

>>535171

I know jeez, these fucking cowards don't even aim.

Who needs more than one bullet when you aren't blind?

>>522541

.22lr is the better pistol round. Anything that needs killing at effective pistol range a .22 will do it more accurately. For greater accuracy tritium sights, or reflex sights should be mounted on the pistol.

>>535174

As bait as this is, there is a point where multiple shots are needed, and there does exist a point where if you attempt to use it defensively, the recoil will seriously hinder you. I believe 44 magnum or .454 fucking casuals to be about the upper limit for the second part, with the revolver package obviously limiting how many shots you can actually get off- any that connect seriously fucking up it and it's mother. 10mm has nearly 3x the capacity of these bear stopping guns, and is capable of stopping bears itself if you magdump the cunt with hot ammo, telling you what it will do to the two legged predators it was designed for. 9x19mm is for good reason considered bare minimum of caliber for defensive use, but it's big trick is that it can be used by everybody ever and it has a higher magazine cap than anything bigger. Anything not a 10mm starts sacrificing power, capacity or both. It's a proven man-slayer, and is a fine cartridge if you can't handle 10mm making a man of you.

>>535243

>9x19

>It's a proven man-slayer

455 Webley literally does everything 9mm does and better. Low recoil, natively subsonic, both mkII and mkIII bullets are so effective that no one bothered producing an auto when you don't need more than one shot. The mkIII was so effective it was banned by the Geneva convention.

>>535263

>455 Webley

>muh .45

That was blackpowder driven, right?

>>535284

Nope! It's been smokeless for 120 years.

>>535263

>no one bothered producing an auto

There are automatic handguns in .455 webley.

>all these non aiming retards not using a flintlock for ultimate 1080 noscope home defense