/k/ - Weapons

John Correia is a dick…. but yeah don't use fucking bridshot, that bitchs tits probably stopped it.

Worst case scenario

>long range

>through leaves/brush (deflects low momentum rounds)

>fat or muscular person

>a few layers of winter-protective clothing equivalent to 11 layers of DENIM

>glancing shot

>car door

>windshield (shooting from within or from outside)

Keep that in mind when selecting defense calibers.

>>522343

>Keep that in mind when selecting defense calibers.

So the solution is to use 84mm recoilless rifles against any and all targets?

>>522363

Highest momentum bullet I can carry. You in the bush, carry a rifle with a large, slow bullet. Can't? Strap a .50 Alaskan to your thigh. Urban situation? That's why .45acp is popular, not some stopping power nonsense. A high speed low mass bullet is fine when you're not expecting one (or a combination) of those scenarios, most governments don't give a shit because their small arms are used for suppression anyway, when a cop isn't blowing someones brains out.

>active shooter

/fit/izens shooting up schools now?

>>522361

Dumbshit at Cabela's once told me to use birdshit for HD. I told him he was wrong and he called me a potential terrorist for buying so much buckshot

>>522343

>can't use birdshot to hunt landwhales

In other news water is wet.

>using a cartridge designed to kill small birds without destroying the meat against a 150lb + biped

The simple fact that equation occurs to people tells me those people deserve to die. I give more stock to people that view .32ACP as a serious defensive cartridge because at least it was designed as such.

>>522371

The same person who tells you "guns are for pussies" grabs a gun and fails to use it properly.

>>522372

>whynottoshopatcabellas.jpg

I've fired birdshot at people a hundred yards away and it didn't even penetrate their tent. We do it as a joke all the time, fire into the air in general direction of guys you want to have a lead shower.

>>522392

Rednecks are the same no matter what latitude, eh?

>>522372

>he called me a potential terrorist for buying so much buckshot

That's the most fud thing that I've ever heard.

>>522397

Try it yourself. angle it up it loses all energy fighting gravity, when it falls down it's basically just as if you threw a fist full of the stuff at someone.

>>522401

Do you guys also drink rye when you do it?

>>522424

Bourbon or homebrew usually. Though it's usually more 'Hold my beer and watch this'.

so was 50cent shot with a few shells of bird shot?

>>522367

7.62x25mm > fuddeh five

Overpenetration is not a real problem.

It's like complaining about a car that can go too fast.

>>522397

Have been pelted in the face with birdshot. Stings at most.

>>522448

You are advocating for the use of a .30 caliber projectile over a .45 caliber projectile that has 270% the grain weight and 150% greater diameter of the caliber you're shilling.

>muh velocity

+p

>It's like complaining about a car that can go too fast.

you can control the velocity of a 7.62x25?

fucking slavaboo niggers

>>522448

It's fine if you just except to be shooting people in good conditions. It tends to tumble at longer ranges, and cant be used in a forest. And it needs to be full auto or else it's pretty fucking useless.

>>522470

7.62 tokarevs saving grace is steel jacketing which keeps it together even passing through kevlar, and steel casing which allows it to use higher pressures.

Without that it's shit.

I still can't figure out why .22 is not jacketed and has a brass casing. That's way more expensive and way less effective.

>>522470

He's obviously one of the 'velocity uber alles' faggots, you know, the kind that in the 70's shot out Model 19's in a tenth of their service life running super hot 85gr .357mag loads, and would unironically pick a .22 Rem Jet over an Elmer Keith .357.

>>522475

>I still can't figure out why .22 is not jacketed

Plenty of .22 IS jacketed you mongoloid. The cost difference between steel case and brass case for a .22lr is quite literally eaten up by the extra wear and tear on the machines. Ask Wolf, they had an arsenal do a bunch for them back in the early 2000's, no one renewed the contract.

>>522485

I know there are steel cased ones, but is there's a steel jacketed .22lr? If so I'd like to find some, it's definitely cheaper and you get a better result.

Anyway if your issue is wear, either buy better guns or get a bimetal jacketed bullet (steel overlaid with copper).

>>522499

then buy wolf

>>522485

.40sw is the best tbh

>>522513

But wolf is objectively garbage.

>>522521

Uh… all three of those links lead to my posts. Do you just like graphs or something?

>>522524

>>522521

Gentlemen, we all know 10mm is the objectivey superior cartridge here, especially compared to 45acp.

>>522475

>7.62 tokarevs saving grace is steel jacketing which keeps it together even passing through kevlar, and steel casing which allows it to use higher pressures.

there are 9mm rounds that do that, specifically made for AP. but i get your point.

>I still can't figure out why .22 is not jacketed and has a brass casing. That's way more expensive and way less effective.

steel case .22lrs exist in europe. not so popular state side/NA.

>>522485

>gotta go fast nerds

yah. hate them too.

>>522448

>fudd meme

>muh BASED soviet shitround

>>>/cuckold/

>>522533

>muh meme round nobody uses

>>522584

10mm is pretty fucking great out of carbine length barrels.

>>522716

The only round that needs to be shat on is the .25ACP

>>522716

How the hell do you masturbate to your wife getting railed with those glass wrists?

>>522401

pinkneck

>>522774

Any recommendation for 10mm PCC? I've wanted one for some time now

>>528269

ASR or get an upper that'll fit on a glock 20.

>There are people on this thread RIGHT NOW seriously arguing with a Canadian about handgun rounds being used defensively

>with a Canadian

>about what handgun round is a better defensive round

>to a man living in a country where self defense with handguns is de facto impossible

Wew laddy.

>>528279

>this spacing

wtf I love Canadians now

>>522363

>implying this isn't the ideal choice

>>522367

7.62x25mm > shit45

>>528281

And I just realized I already said this.

/k/ is too slow.

>>528272

>>528269

>>522774

>>528273

10mm for example has more energy than .223 out of a 10 inch barrel.

Less wear on barrels. Goes through foliage better, is less affected by wind, and it expands a lot better in target. You could bring down anything from a groundhog to a deer with it.

>>522774

They're coming out with .25 ACP that aren't crap now. Out of a 2 inch barrel they have 11 inches penetration of ballistics gel, and expansion to 9+mm.

>>522392

That's kinda irresponsible don't you think? I mean what if you shoot your eye out?

>hurr durr birdshot

Why don't you use ratshot then? Why not load the shell with lead powder micro particles?