/k/ - Weapons

>>517496

>China/best Korea

>actual military

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>>517498

So we are incompetent, but everyone else is more incompetent than us?

>>517496

incredibly inefficent use of budget, inept leadership, no clear strategic goals, using old as fugg equipment, vehicles and tactics, holes in roles of aircraft in an airforce, procurement of anything is at least twice as costly as anywhere else, inability to deal with locals, huge percentage of non-fighters on a given front, lack of manufactoring power, underuse of artillery etc.

Basicaly ww2 britain but with less indians and more niggers.

Yes and no. Korea wouldnt be a problem to defeat at all, but china is imposible to conquer mainly because they will have always have more bodies then you and they dont give a fuck if milion people dies in each battle. Only way to destroy it is throught internal unrest and economic warfare which would lower power of the government

>>517513

Pretty much this. Fact also your military isn't really a military anymore more like a giant daycare implying like NATO isn't in the same boat and exists only to make shekels really puts doubt in the true capabilities of the US.

In fact as it stands your reputation is slowly degrading back to what it was before the Gulf War which is a dangerous situation to be in.

>>517520

I'm honestly glad it is true then, America is the anti white capital of the world.

>>517508

Essentially. Our peers are more incompetent and our vassals are obviously going to be far less funded and have far less force projection capabilities to make any difference in competence

>>517513

>… but china is imposible to conquer mainly because they will have always have more bodies then you

Its funny that people always complain that Russia or China would use human wave tactics against the USA when the military success of the USA since the last century has always been based on the USA outproducing their enemies with war material and troops.

>>517496

We (because daily reminder that US force in Korea is actually a UN command, which a shitload of countries voted to lend forces to even if they're not still in theater: it's still fucking binding!) couldn't beat China/Norks right after WWII with basically the most land, air and sea power the West has ever had (and the possibility of nuking them without any retaliation whatsoever) and China was a wreck just out of a bloody long civil war on top of WWII and we didn't.

I can't see how we're supposed to pull it off now that China economy is on par (or bigger) than the US.

>China military is shit

Sure… but it was even shittier back then and they still sort of won (well, they didn't lose) didn't they?

The way I see it the whole of NATO is France in the 30's.

Sure on paper it look nice, a bunch of jews are guzzling up an insane amount of money and even some of the stuff ain't too bad.

Then reality kicks in…

Yes and no. Overall militarily burger are overhyped in all 3 branch, but their power does not reside there, war will never be symmetrical again, big armies are useless, just money pits and show for old retard people.

America true shinning star in 4th gen and 5th gen warfare, the intelligence apparatus and most of it's SOF apparatus, JSOC is the perfect example. But the hidden gem is private militarty companies and the private intelligence ( in a way both piblic and private intelligence are in a mutual nasty relationship ).

With all of the progressive damage that was been done to it during the bunga era it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they got their shit completely and utterly pushed in by any other conventional force.

>>517541

>4th gen and 5th gen warfare

Am I a complete noob for not having heard of these before?

>>517546

Pretty much what the friend above said. Russia calls it non linear warfare.

The future of warfare is this. Open insurgencies, cyber warfare, using small team tactics to attack high value targets, both people and infrastructure. Goes on.

John Robb Brave New War is one hell of a book if you are interested.

>>517561

nigger these are nothing new these tactics are older then rome

>>517565

if you look at what cyberwarfare is supposed to do then yes, it is older then rome. Its just old men playing with new toys

>>517496

apparently we're far enough on that people forget Iraq was the world's 4th largest army before Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

the US military, for all its foibles, face stomps proper armies. korea would fold in a week, and any insurgency would be limited to party elements.

these recent wars of "conquer this nation but don't conquer it" are unwinnable political jokes.

also those little FOB fast food joints are cool. my dad worked designing one early in his career, they're containerized and get delivered by aircraft.

>>517566

>Need a divided population

Many countries have at least one group that's either already radicalised or could become radicalised with external influence. Any country with a Muslim element in its population would be a good example.

>Just switch to gentoo in your bureaucracy

If some neckbeard working in his bedroom can tailor an open source operating system then is there any reason that even a third world government wouldn't be able to put together something that would at least make the hackers life a lot harder? Taking your computers off a network and running them all as standalone machines might be a little extreme, and would cause all kinds of problems by itself, but makes you immune to all hackers who can't physically touch the keyboard.

>a small team of l33t oper8ors attacking a high value target in a city filled with militiamen

If you've inflamed whatever conflicts are already present in the target country, even added a few of your own into the mix, then the security services you're up against would have their hands full before your team crossed the border. It still might be better to give the job to whatever local groups you've managed to subvert or form though; as long as the worlds intelligence agencies aren't hiding a warehouse full of James Bond style agents from the rest of us of course :^).

>>517566

Every single population in the world is divided, but you are taking this in the smaller sense, open insurgencies are not only that, also you can implement that in any population, it might fail, it might succeed.

On cyber warfare, is some countries are much harder to use this type of warfare, but most aren't. And even when they are, you can always count with human error or greed ( SutXNet ). Cyber will not win wars, but can help you in many fronts.

Small teams does not mean 4 fags running amok, but yes, after training with these faggots on SOFs, with some fine tuning, decent, competent people running the operation, depending the size of the nation, I firmly believe they can cripple the infrastructure fast enough to cause societal chaos.

But this is speculation based on facts, we can't known for sure.

> J

>Do you think you could bring them down with an ainu insurgency

What is my budget, which intelligence elements I have access, which SOF's can I use, can I use private military. Good enough budget, using all the private shit I want, and employing both SOF and PMC's under expert competent leadership with good contracts ( a shit load of billions ). Yes, I believe I could bring them down. And be prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity after.

>>517570

so its McContainer McParadroped by McPlane

sounds really american.

>>517574

>Poland trying to comprehend secret american 8th gen warfare technique

Don't worry keep guessing you'll piece it together eventually.

>>517576

as long as they don't spend the rest of their day playing the polish version of russian roulette.

>>517570

>Iraq was the world's 4th largest army before Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

>Burger.

>Believing it's own MSM farts noises.

Tell me, if Iraq (a country of less than 18M people at the time) had the 4th army in the world, what exactly the US, UK, West Germany, France, India, China, Russia, Iran, Yugoslavia, KSA, etc… were numbered at the time?

>>517565

It's like you've never studied the Finno-Korean Hyperwar and the legendary Proto-Asiatic Arcana Hackers utilized by the Hwan Dynasty to disrupt Finnic leylines. A fully-trained one could reach an APM (Arcanas Per Minute) of over three thousand.

>>517570

>Iraq

>4th largest army

is the world this pathetic?

>>517570

I don't see a leaf flag on this post?

>>517589

Fucking Myanmar, a literal who of a nation, has a larger active military than France, at the moment. It's not that hard to believe, that Iraq at the time had a large military. If any European nation entered an actual state of war, I'm sure the tides would turn, but people simply don't care about the military currently.

>>517513

>>517520

On the one hand Canada depends on America for defense, so it scares the shit out of me when Americans act like complete retards and get their asses kicked by 3x less taliban.

On the other hand maybe America should defend fewer western countries because 10k screaming VDV maniacs might snap my countrymen out of their illusion of utopia… if they dont conquer the country first.

>>517496

>>517508

>>517529

>thinly veiled "muh BASED commies BASED gooks BASED norks BASED chinks ameriga bad lolololololol muh assad" thread

Jews and obongo's meddling in the military fucked it up but you're retarded if you think chinks that walk the streets with gas masks because their nation is so polluted to shit and starved gooks lead by a fat lolcow are going to accomplish anything.

>>517651

This.

Reminder that China lost the Vietnam war BADLY on the shooting side of it even after the tet offensive destroyed around 90% of the NVA/VC's combat strength.

>>517656

Lmao

>>517651

>Muh pol

Sage negated

>>517656

I am in support of this.

Two former enemies uniting to become the ultimate world superpower, making China tremble and ISIS shit it's pants.

>>517694

fam.

>>517620

>You have to consider that they just got out of the Iraq-Iran war and were mostly conscripts during that war

Mhhh… see that's what propaganda does to you, even when it's something that obvious you miss it.

Remember that Iran actually won that war? By doing shit like sending literal human waves attacks to clear out minefields because most of their professional military was purged? And that they could do shit like that and still win because they had three times the population of Iraq?

If it's really just number we count… are we supposed to believe that Iran had reduced it's troops to have less than Iraq???

I also notice you didn't count Russia (hell the fucking Soviet Union still exists at the time!)…

>>517696

>tfw north korea has 2 million army and 5 million red guard

>>517651

>and starved gooks lead by a fat lolcow are going to accomplish anything.

That actually sounds more like a motive for military prowess and war than "marching in her heels".

>>517626

>On the one hand Canada depends on America for defense

Looking for a military that outguns you two-to-one with a non-provocative relationship with Russia at a reasonable price?

>>517720

>Because the Soviet Union wasn't a single country and thus it would be inaccurate to show it as one country

The Russian federation is not a single country either. More than one third the population is in oblasts that in contrast to Eastern Europeans have little to minimal religious, cultural, ethnic or even racial affinity to Russians (technically slavified Germanics).

>>517693

Prior to (((communism))) you had so good relationship that it would be extremely plausible, they even gave you Alaska for free.

You sometimes have to admire the kikes for their insight over potential threats then you remember how many cunttrees they were kicked off and you go back at spitting them.

>>517619

> If any European nation entered an actual state of war, I'm sure the tides would turn

>any European nation

Minus Greece and maybe Poland. ATM we are well above our maximum capacity.

>>517739

I am an impulsive person. How you think denbts accumulated?

>>517736

Okay, and? What does that have to do with the fact that Iraq, according to multiple sources, did indeed have 1 millon enlisted troops in 1990?

>>517742

See:

>>517741

I did not actually read what you were talking about, I just pointed out that USSR was demographically closer to a (Panslavic) supernation that "Russian" Federation is to an actual nation.

>>517744

Yeah great, nobody cares, that isn't what the discussion is about, you tard.

>>517746

>>517746

>not understanding that discusion is fluid and full of sub-topics and that you must fight about what you want to discuss.

Even i know this and i am associal autist

>>517746

>the discussion is about

You must be new here…

>>517747

>Also that's not a source you burger that's an "open source aggregator" bullshit', meaning their source is probably the NYT of 1991 saying IRAQ HAS 2 BILLION MEN AND A MOON PROGRAM or some other highly trustworthy publication

Except it says right at the top the source is the Institute for International Strategic Studies, and it isn't aggregated. Again, you haven't posted anything proving anything contrary to what I'm stating.

>The simple fact that they supposedly went from 1M (right after the war) to 1,400, to a fraction of that when fighting a war

uh, no, that didn't happen at all.

>1.4M that mean nearly 10% of the POPULATION in the army, 20% of the MALE population, 26% of the adult population. 40% of people in age of fighting were in the active military…

And considering Saddam implemented conscription this isn't a suprising number.

>So Saddam peace time army was roughly a bit more than the total mobilization (not at the same time) of war time Germany?

You have a weird way of describing "peace time" when they were gearing up to invade Kuwait.

>That's why I keep saying you people don't use your brains, it's fine to be able find information, it's better to analyze the fucking thing and tell whether or not it's BS

Except you haven't analyzed shit, all you've done is autistically shrieked "NUH UH UR WRONG STOOPID AMERIKIKE" without actually making an evidence supported argument as to why the claim that Iraq had 1 million soliders is wrong.

>Any monkey can c/c. You have just as much brain cells as the people writing this sort of BS (probably more and less of an agenda).

Prove it.

>>517737

Every now and then you find something on /k/ that makes you smile. Thanks for posting that pic Gyrosfag.

>>517763

>It's like beating up a retarded kid and claiming that it's a great success because he's fat.

So … something that you know makes you a terrible person but is just too much damn fun to say no to? :^)

>>517783

>You posted a graph from a random place. Can you show where they took the data from? Otherwise it's pretty easy to have organizations drawing bullshit graphs and using it as proper evidence.

remember that syrian watch organization that was cited by all media but in reality consisted of 1 guy who never even was in syria and couldnt speak language? we need better sources.

Still even if that number was true, iraqi conflict is uncomperable to what would happen in korea. There is not enough place for manevouring and good luck suffering throught urban/forest/mountain combat against milions of people

>>517798

Is this one of the sources claiming that Holocaust isn't numerically impossible to have occurred?

>>517496

This thread isn't weapons, it's just retards pulling statistics out of their ass and eurofags shitposting.

>>517822

>discussing military topics is not /k/

>>517822

>wahhh wahhhh im a faggot

sage negated

>>517840

Sage isn't a downvote, newfag, you can't negate it.

>>517496

Anyone who tells you we could steamroll anyone is full of shit. That's simply not feasible for anyone unless you count fighting literal tribalniggers.

>>517855

>implying germany would do anything

>implying germany matters

You would lose every war because there is nothing to fight for left. Tell your soldiers that they are fighting to protect gay rights and ability to ship more niggers into their house, they will love it.

>>517798

>Okay, good thing your opinion doesn't overturn facts and figures

You didn't post any facts or figures, this is why people think burgers are dumb. Because of obtuse buggers such as yourself.

>also pic related, from the metadata from the graph I linked

>Face it, you're wrong, especially if you.can't even dig up any data yourself that contradicts mine.

You just posted more bullshit from the same source. Sourcing a bullshit graph from a random place, with random text from the same random place is not a proper source.

Which documents, government databases, investigations and such were used as the base for the graph? You are only sending us hot air.

>>517788 (checked)

>remember that syrian watch organization that was cited by all media but in reality consisted of 1 guy who never even was in syria and couldnt speak language? we need better sources.

Yes, yes I do.

>>517855

They would just end up in Russian hands and give them an even higher advantage in the armor category.

And as far as I know, Russia still has more armor capabilities than the entirety of NATO, if you added that? Yeah booooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

I think that the most important part in such conflict would be Russian conservative propaganda appealing to the actual nationalists/right-wingers in Europe. They might having quite the easy time getting support from the AFD in Germany, FN in France, Jobbik (and the like) in Hungary, GD in Greece, PNR in Portugal, Força Nova in Italy, UKIP/EDL in Britain, Bulgaria and Serbia would likely join in after initial on-paper opposition.

The only people who actually care about defending Europe prefer Russia to NATO.

Sorry to the Baltic anons and the like, but as long as they don't colonize you again, they might be better than NATO.

>>517841

Am I the only one who sees that badge as a pair of dropped panties?

>>517788

>member that syrian watch organization that was cited by all media but in reality consisted of 1 guy who never even was in syria and couldnt speak language?

Syrian Observatory for Human Right, SOHR. It's still the MSM main source, even if by their numbers the SAA should be dead two times by now and the FSA (that has never even existed as a real force) control the country…

>>517855

>Treaty of final settlement

Is that Germany's Final Cucking?

>>517873

Germany and the Netherlands are Russia most important trading partners after China, the moment they stop trading with Russia, the Russian economy will either tank or fall fully in the hands of the Chinese and the Russian people will starve.

>You would lose every war because there is nothing to fight for left.

On the contrary, you are tremendously underestimate political skulduggery. At the moment Germany cannot regain it rightfully owned land because it is occupied by Poland, Russia and the Czech Republic.

If Russia destroys Poland and the Czech Republic and declares war on Germany, then Germany has the casus belly to lead a righteous war against Russia to "liberate" the land and make it part of its own.

>>517881

As the US Strelok said, numbers today are bullshit. A huge majority of Russian armor is Ukrainian tier aka nice looking little hills of rust that once were functioning tanks.

There is also the problem that Russia has not enough people to drive them, as they have a problem to feed their army even without economic sanctions. This will be even worse in the case of a full blown war.

>I think that the most important part in such conflict would be Russian conservative propaganda appealing to the actual nationalists/right-wingers in Europe.

The nationalist/right-wingers of Europe want to crash the status quo with no survivors and to use the chaos to raise their own Nation to glory.

However if Russia crashes the system, they will not be thanked but seen as the guy that needs to be left in the wreckage to sell the story.

>>517918

Nah its the half uncucking of Germany, as it played all factions occupying Germany against each other to gain more autonomy and put Germany into a advantageous position.

West Germany accepted Poland's claim to the land, but as a result the border between NATO and Russia changed. Germany is no longer the place were NATO and Russia would clash and regained half its eastern territories.

Germany gave its agreement to the Euro to win France support, but the way how the Euro was implemented left other European Countries dependent on Germany.

Germany gave a similar deal to the UK, which the UK now gave up by leaving the EU.

Russia just got a trade agreement and the promise to diplomatic contact, which is good for Germany because it gives Germany access to Russian resources and the Russian market.

And the USA were left with the belief that they won the culture war with the Marxist.

Additionally it places a limit on Germany's military strength and ability to have nuclear weapons, but this can be used by Germany as an excuse to not participate in NATO missions it has no interest in.

And the cherry on top is that these leaders of the Allied agreed that Germany doesn't have to pay any demands for reparations for WW2 that come up after the treaty is enacted.

The moment this treaty is seriously broken by one of the participants, all restrictions put on German military might would fall away and Germany would gain the right to claim its historic territory in eastern Europe.

Sure equally this would open up Germany for now claims of reparations, but its awfully difficult to demand reparations from a Nation that isn't defeated anymore and can have nuclear weapons in a matter of days.

>>517496

Every military is over rated.

That's part of the plan in making people think twice about fucking with you.

Everyone likes to think that in a full on frontal war Russia would stomp the US, but then ignores when Russian spetsnaz get absolutely embarrassed in the Ukraine.

>>517936

>(1)

No one says they would stomp the US, just the US's presence and puppets in EUROPE.

>but then ignores when Russian spetsnaz get absolutely embarrassed in the Ukraine.

As far as I know they have not been embarrassed at all. Only the other way around. They have been reaching their goals of keeping Donbass "independent", and Crimea a part of Russia.

>>517933

Sounds hugely optimistic, but I do hope you are right, not that I am anti- Russian or anti-polish, I just wish Europe was a strong continent like it used to be, minus the disastrous Anglo chauvinism.

>>517881

>You didn't post any facts or figures

But I did, prove I didn't

>You just posted more bullshit from the same source. Sourcing a bullshit graph from a random place, with random text from the same random place is not a proper source.

But I didn't, I sourced the graph as being from the IISS's database which is a compilation of national reporting. Again: if my graphs are bullshit then prove them wrong.

All you have been doing is going "nuh uh ur wrong becuz i said so" and other people are starting to call you out on your bullshit. If I'm so wrong about these graphs then prove me wrong, subhuman.

>>517933

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>>517939

I really just want Europe to get together, the English to grow a spine again and quit larping about the Empire, and for them to all band together, and kill all the Jew's and niggers, that's really all I care about geopolitically. Squabbling over bygone territory when there are millions of nigger squatters in your gates is kinda absurd, just my burger opinion.

>>517935

Why do you sound exactly like the board's resident Russiaboo? Did you change your VPN again?

>>517933

I don't see how you can be this confident despite what happened in WWII.

Russia basically didn't have a navy or an air force in WWII, you had a larger military, and were fully industrialized while they still used whale oil lamps and horse power. And they raped you completely.

Today Russia has a superior air force, superior navy, superior army, and nukes. And you're confident. Fucking how??!?

>A huge majority of Russian armor is Ukrainian tier aka nice looking little hills of rust that once were functioning tanks.

Yes a huge majority, but that majority is the 20,000 tanks they have stored in Siberia somewhere.

Their active force of 650 tanks are newer than any of the 400 tanks Germany has in use, and they have 2350 tanks that are at least in parity to German tanks.

>>517946

Counting the garbage tanks on both sides, Russia outnumbers European continent 3:1 in tanks. 20k to 7k. Counting active or three month ready tanks difference is even bigger.

America adds 7k active and 2k of stored to Europes total, so the numbers aren't as bad as they look, in fact Europe + USA outnumbers Russia a bit in ready vehicles.

>>517950

>Already addressed that your graphs have no links, or actual directions, to their sources.

No, you made a claim witb no proof. I said to prove I did any of that. Are you this bad at reading, nigger?

>That is what they claim. The Syrian "watch" organization claimed many such things as well.

The Syrian organization wasn't a government organization so your point is moot. Plus you still haven't shown any counterproof that makes my numbers disputable.

>How cute, the fed wants to pretend he is from /pol/.

>says the goon trying way too fit in while posting smug anime girls while losing an argument

I'll give you one more chance: post a source for the Iraqi military numbers that proves my numbers wrong and I'll admit you're right. If you don't then keep cryin, bitch nigga.

>>517496

Yes and no. We spend far more money than we should on it, for far less than we should be getting out. Our special forces, and general troops honestly, aren't actually trained to a quality superior to everyone else, either, by large.

Thing is, we also spend a fuckhuge amount of money, and pretty much have the military capabilities to fight off the entire world. Not capture the entire world, but we could easily enough keep them at bay.

Korea and China would be no problem for the US, as would any other nation. It's just, we're spending too much, and we've got a lot of problems.

>>517538

Mass number of raw troops =/= mass number of raw materials.

There's a huge difference between being able to send out 300 poorly equipped faggots, and being able to send out 300 advanced bombs.

>>517955

>Not capture the entire world, but we could easily enough keep them at bay.

Pretty much. We could beat the world in a fight but we'd have no chance at keeping the territories we've won because we can't into counter-insurgency

>>517933

>>517873

>Germany and the Netherlands are Russia most important trading partners after China, the moment they stop trading with Russia, the Russian people will starve.

Russia today has a quite competent agriculture, thanks to Dutch and German experts and entrepreneurs. Nobody is going to starve the Russians quick, particularly if the Russian government use a strategic food reserve, something Germany had in the cold war, but no longer.

>Additionally it places a limit on Germany's military strength and ability to have nuclear weapons, but this can be used by Germany as an excuse to not participate in NATO missions it has no interest in.

The main interest of Germany’s “friends” was to eliminate it’s military strength and curtail it to Versailles treaty dimension. Something they regret now after Russia is no longer a drunk destitute bear.

Instead Germany’s army was restructured to fight colonial, civil wars, fight insurgencies. Guess what were they thinking…

>And the cherry on top is that these leaders of the Allied agreed that Germany doesn't have to pay any demands for reparations for WW2 that come up after the treaty is enacted.

Germany pays continuously reparation, since 1948. The EU and the Euro you are so proud of guarantee that a significant part of Germany’s economic strength and products are delivered free of charge to our “friends”. As a result the Germans as a people are one of the poorest people of Europe, despite being the strongest economy, as EU statistics clearly show, while the people of economic basket cases like Italy or even Greece have significant higher wealth per head.

>but its awfully difficult to demand reparations from a Nation that isn't defeated anymore and can have nuclear weapons in a matter of days.

Germany has no longer a nuclear industry, in short time there will be not even nuclear material in significant amount in Germany, thanks to decades of anti-nuclear propaganda and “Atomaustieg”. Try to build a nuke out of a windmill!

>>517935

>How incredibly delusional.

That is a new trait of our “progressive” reeducated society. Crazy as a mad hatter, lemmings rushing to the abyss.

>>517656

This could have been Drumpf-Pootang alliance but he was too butthurt at Demoncrats bullying him

>>517935

>The USSR was even poorer and managed to fuck the greatest nation of their time.

With the help of the US, Britain, France, Canada, and Australia.

>>517957

>Pretty much. We could beat the world in a fight but we'd have no chance at keeping the territories we've won because we can't into counter-insurgency

No. You could beat the world in a defensive fight. It's a little different.

>>517958

>Germany has no longer a nuclear industry, in short time there will be not even nuclear material in significant amount in Germany, thanks to decades of anti-nuclear propaganda and “Atomaustieg”. Try to build a nuke out of a windmill!

This reads like poetry.

>>517961

Mainly supply wise, something Russia is better prepared on nowadays.

>>517946

>Their active force of 650 tanks

Man you wish, on last count, missing probably quite a few given the reformation of several ARMY SIZE formations and the fact that now VDV brigades will be getting tank battalions, they have 1651 active tanks.

Out of those only a handful are "old" (316 T-72BV, Sakhalin is the only place with only those after that are Ulan-Ude and Primorsk but both regions have at least one battalion each of modern ones, then there is 27 T-72B1V in Tajikistan split in three tank companies across the country), rest are 997 T-72 BM/B3 ("BM" is upgraded to B3 standard from B1 or B2 or any sort of already modified, "B3" are a "clean" upgrade from B), 188 T-80U (they have A LOT of those in reserve… somewhere between 3000 and 4000 and those aren't junk and they just showcased a comprehensive, read ukrainian free, upgrade package so we might see more of them), 123 T-90A.

Now we know that they made way more T-90 so it's a fair guess those will be mostly in the "new" units from which data is lacking.

That's also why they could simply give out some T-90 to Syria or some B3/BM to the rebels in Ukraine, they're not short of modern tanks.

For missing units for brigades:

1 in the Republic of Tuva (they're on typhoon MRAP instead of BTR, they may or may not have tanks or just a company or something)

1 in Samara (also supposed to be "light")

For Divisions

1 Tank Division in Chelyabinsk whose status is unknown (might be dormant/reserve or reforming. On paper it should be 323 tanks)

For armies:

South military district:

58th Combined Arms Army (reforming, Vladikavkaz)

Unknown Combined Arms Army (forming Rostov)

Western Military district:

20th Guards Combined Arms Army (forming, Voronezh. Absorbed the 9th and 23rd Detached Motor Rifle Brigade, so they're counted for 82 tanks, but they should have 166, at full strength they could have 414, it's gonna depend if they go 1tank brigade/3 rifle or 1 tank/2rifle for their divisions, so far the units formed are 1tank/2rifle)

1st Guards Tank Army (forming, Moscow. Absorbed lots of known units so far it has only two division 1 tank/1 rifle and has probably an additional 94 tanks from what I counted. At projected full strength (4 divisions, 2 tank/2rifle). It could get as stupid as 704 tanks just for them, but then it's called a TANK army for a reason. They could be insane and make a 3tank/1 rifle too).

As usual it's without VDV (who now gets tanks… If they did find a way to toss out T-72 from Il-76 it's reeaaaaally gonna get funky, because in theory they fit. In practice they don't, but it's not by much) and unit under Navy command (which include quite a lot of active units, especially now with the Joint Command thing the north the size of a district), just the "core" Russian land forces.

>>517968

>Their active force of 650 tanks are newer than any of the 400 tanks Germany has in use, and they have 2350 tanks that are at least in parity to German tanks.

These together are their active tanks.

The 650 are just new build T90 and armata.

>>517954

>You just did, still no sources besides claims

Except I did post my sources, it's not my fault you have no idea how to read since you're a retarded nigger. You're the one making baseless claims.

>Are you implying government organizations are inherently correct? What a complete and utter shill.

No, you implied that since you kept crying about non-government organizations.

>Something that is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Except I did post evidence. You're claiming it isn't evidence because you don't have any evidence on your side to help you, especially since you still have posted any numbers of your own because you're a bitch nigga.

>You have shown proof of nothing.

Prove it.

>What a nervous wreck. You must be a new guy in Tel'Aviv.

Is this your first day on this board? Is that why you keep trying way too hard to fit in?

>Like I said, something that is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You have shown proof of nothing.

Prove there was no evidence, prove there was nothing. I don't get what's so hard to understand about this concept. If you are so confident that you're right and I'm wrong then actually prove it and show evidence that proves my claims wrong, even if according to you I don't have evidence. As it stands you have posted nothing that disproves anything and nobody in this thread will probably believe anything you say until you do.

>>517977

that manned turret looks ridiculous.

>>517977

So? 200+ of the leopards are also earmarked for upgrade. I used equivalent comparison where possible, weighing on the side of the underdog otherwise, quit shitposting.

>>517738

They wanted war between US and Russia bad and when they couldn't get it spun the Russia narrative to help stop any good relations with Russia. You are right anon, its hard not to admire their insight into things.

>>517960

>butthurt

Even if the zog didn't fuck him for doing something like that the globalists would use the Russian narrative to cause massive social unrest. There are only about 30% of Americans that look at and trust the mainstream news but those 30% trust everything they say as word of gospel and might even get to small scale rebellions.

>>517962

This.

We could beat the world in a defensive fight. We probably could beat the world in an offensive fight to the point of at least making them have no chance of launching any sort of effective offensive fight, but I would hold my doubts, as there's simply too much land to cover, and again, we can't hold territory on such a scale.

But, since the only land entry is Canada and Mexico, and our navy's fuckall huge, it'd be extremely difficult to launch any kind of offensive on the US with any kind of success.

I think we'd have to annex canada, though. Too large a landmass to simply ignore, lots of routes inland.

>>518014

Because shit stockpiled in reserve is in reserve.

They need to be refit, transferred to the new reservist units, crews needs to trained (or only retrained if lucky), etc… It takes time.

And in any scenario where anyone has the time to call upon it's reserves Russia has also the time to call upon it's reserves… so it's not 200 more tanks you're facing!

Russia "fast" reserve is made of at least 1500 of T-80U/UM/UD, which are equivalent to modern NATO tanks and are all post 1990 tanks, they've been benched for being more expensive to maintain (made worse by the fact that they all have different engines) than T-72 based tanks, not because of their performance as a tank.

The rest are older T-80B/BV and T-72B/BV. Anything older is not even counted as in reserves.

>>518095

I'm taking general guesses to determine tank numbers, and you want to 1up me with even more speculative reserve numbers that change month by month, year by year?

Okay yeah youre right you autist, now fuck off.

>>518045

Thats my point, hes acting like it changes anything. Relative strength is the same or worse, any way you slice it.

>>517576

> McContainer McParadroped by McPlane lands on enemy territory

>enemy starts to eat from it

>after eating ,half of the enemy force dies of clogged arteries

>the other half gains diabetes

>the enemy cant fight and capitulates

>McAmerica wins

Finally a weapon to surpass metal gear

>>518115

When NATO and the EU dies.

>>518115

so you want to expand kalifate? kys faggot

>>517935

>How incredibly delusional.

Not delusional when you know that this was the way how Bismarck fucked up the French.

Whoever starts a war in todays world is seen as the evil guy, no amount of propaganda can change that. If Russia attack, they will lose the longest running game of chicken in human history and everyone will smell weakness.

>You had a bigger advantage in every way during WW2 and still got completely ass-fucked.

By a Russia that was economically supported by the British Empire and the USA. Guess what is missing today?

>It's very good to swarm you,…

Which they cannot do, Russia is not the USSR anymore they have less manpower and material.

To attack NATO Russia has to move against the Baltics/Poland, Scandinavia, against Turkey at the Bosporus and be ready for a potential attack from China and/or Japan from the East, at the same time.

Also the USA/Canada might decide they could try an attack coming from the North.You are telling me that today's Russia has enough manpower to fight a 4 to 5 front war?

>>517939

>Sounds hugely optimistic,…

Its less optimistic and more realistic about the status Russia is in. Russia is not planning for a invasion against NATO, they are in siege mode and hope they can turn the tide should an attack come.

>>517946

>I don't see how you can be this confident despite what happened in WWII.

Russia invaded Germany in WW1 and got its ass kicked, Germany invaded Russia and made the biggest massacre in Russian history and only got beat because Russia was allied with the British Empire and the USA.

>Russia basically didn't have a navy or an air force in WWII,…

In 1941 this was true, in 1942 all those things(tanks, trucks, artillery, guns, ammunition, planes) were delivered to them over the East directly from the USA and from the North from the UK. An army of engineers came from the USA,

the UK and other Allied countriesand assembled hole factories to churn out war material in mass. Germany was not defeated by Russian human waves, British fire bombing or the bravery of US Troops, but the combined economic might of the Allied Countries.

>Today Russia has a superior air force, superior navy, superior army, and nukes. And you're confident. Fucking how??!?

Because everything Russian tries in our contemporary world ends up like the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.

Also Russia's economy is currently unable to mass produce their most advanced tanks, aircraft, missiles and all other equipment needed for war.

>Counting the garbage tanks on both sides,…

Counting tanks is a waste of time when the Nr. One tank killer since the Iraq war has been attack helicopters and man portable ATGMs.

Its even worse for the Russians when you favor in the factor that Europe is the most urbanized place in the world, a battlefield in which tanks do terrible.

Cold war scenarios estimated that Germany's cities would turn into huge meat grinder for both sides should the war get hot.

>>517958

>Nobody is going to starve the Russians quick,…

People are starving in Russia today, because Russia also has a strong criminal element and a massive orphan problem. Guess what is going to happen once a war is started.

>Germany’s army was restructured to fight colonial, civil wars, fight insurgencies. Guess what were they thinking…

Germany's and Russias economic relationship are similar to those between China and Africa today. Germany/the EU receive valuable raw materials and the Russians in return get technological trinkets and logistic experts, because Russia for being such a badass country is unable to get even into the most basic millennial technologies and industrial processes on its own.

>Germany pays continuously reparation, since 1948.

Yes the reparations that were greenlit in 1948, but those are a small parts of the overall reparation claims. Many European countries got fucked over and received just peanuts.

>Germany has no longer a nuclear industry,…

We still have nuclear reactors for research and medical purposes and we have whole fucking deposit site full of radioactive material that can be used for bombs.

All the tools and technologies are in Germany's hand to produce nuclear weapons even with the commercial nuclear energy sector shutting down. Hell Germany is helping building parts for France's trident missile, which are used to give France second strike capabilities.

Germany has to enforce fucking technology embargoes against many non-nuclear nations, because the machines that Germany is producing on a daily basis can be used to jump start a nuclear weapons program.

>>518112

> with even more speculative reserve numbers that change month by month, year by year?

The 1500 while being an approximation is not speculative. It's what they had in active service prior to 2006 when they decided it was more efficient to upgrade the existing T-72 park and add modernized T-72B from the reserve to replace the T-80U/UM/UD as their main tank by a something similar in perfs but cheaper and strategically safer to operate (the orange """revolution""" in Ukraine compromised a lot of the parts procurement).

They didn't suddenly fly to the moon, they sold a few (most notably to Cyprus literally to face off with upgraded Leo2…) but those are their operational reserve tanks.

Not the original T-90 that have been in storage for 20+ years and no-one has seen since.

>>518112

>hes acting like it changes anything

You're saying that Russia has 600 modern tanks when by your definition it's 3000! Five time more!

Also Germany tanks are mostly Leo2A4… Not A6 or A7+, they sell those upgrades but they've never massively upgraded their domestic fleet, they have A6 and A7 in active duty but the rest are older.

Panzerbataillon 203 (30 A6, 14 A7)

Panzerlehrbataillon 93 (44 A6)

Panzerbataillon 104 (44A6)

Panzerbataillon 393 (30 A6, 14 A6M)

Panzerbataillon 414 (28 A6)

That's NOWHERE near 400. That's 204…

>But Germany said they augmented their forces.

Yes. Sneak in 16 A6NL from a dutch tank company (attached to the PzBtl414), say that your training company are now combat ones in case of war (2x14, attached respectively to the PzBtl104 and PzBtl393) and voila Germany can say they have around 240 tanks online like UK and France and that those two can stop bitching that Germany isn't pitching in for the common defense… (Traditionally German training units have the next gen gear, so those "new" 28 might be A7+ or something, that's the only good news in all this).

A T-80BV is the Russian counterpart to the Leo2A4, everything else (T-72BM/B3, T-80U/UM/UD, T-90/A) is more recent, and a T-14 is a fucking light year away from them.

Russia has more modern tanks than everyone in NATO combined, minus the US or as many the US have, whichever way you want to see it.

>>518156

>You're saying that Russia

No Im not, learn to read full sentences.

>>518176

>le b8 xD

I mean, we all knew you were from reddit, but you didn't need to announce it.

>>518175

I am, you're the one that don't know how to count, you say they have 650 tanks modern tanks and 2350 older but on par with earlier Leo.

When it's more like 3 000 (T-72B3 + T90/A + T-80U/UD, or somewhere between 1120 and 1460 if you only count the active) and at least 3 000 older but still good (T-80U/BV).

You're not even in the ballpark.

>>518171

The disparity between European NATO members attack helos and Russia attack helos is even worse than tanks.

Dude the smallest Russian helicopter formation has more combat helicopters than Germany has Tigers on order.

And I don't want to be told that from the only country on the fucking planet that hasn't figured out how to fit a fucking nose gun on it's attack helicopters…

>>518176

>They attacked Poland, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia before, no one gave a shit.

And currently non of these nations are occupied by Russia.

>And recently they have attacked, and maintain actions against many countries, no one has the balls to actually step the fuck up (besides the US).

Compared to the hijinks the US is involved in around the globe, Russia only had small scale conflicts to deal with and in many of them they did badly.

Also the only reason why the USA is taking actions against them, is that Russia is slowly getting surrounded by the US/NATO.

The wars with Georgia and the Ukraine happened on Russias doorstep, not on NATOs and Russias partner are getting purged in the Middle East.

Also lets not forget that Soviet Russia once owned all of Eastern Europe and had to surrender it without a fight. Leaving tonnes of military equipment behind. Where were the Russian balls?

>I'm talking about the European front.

Too bad, a war between Russia and NATO will always be a world war, if you are just talking about the European front(which one? there are at least three) you only prove your narrow mindedness about the whole topic.

Russia will not invade Europe, because once they do it will start a world war that will demand for them to go into a total war economy at least for a decade and they don't have resources and manpower for that.

>Japan and China wouldn't intervene just like they didn't before, even when they were in opposing sides.

Russia is sitting on island that Japan claims as its own and its sitting on land that China has a claim on. Additionally when NATO loses, Japan and South Korea would lose their protection against China and North Korea.

If China and Japan are opportunistic enough, they work together to remove vodka piggu from asia.

>But without the USA, Europe couldn't hold against Russia.

Without the USA there would be no EU and other kiked institutions that keep Europe down and European Nations would return to their Imperialistic interests and feud with each other.

For example one thing that is keeping the armies of European nations down is the wish of the EU to establish an EU Army and for that to happen the old armies need to be weakened so they can be replaced.

>Russia has more attack helicopters than the entirety of Europe as well, if I'm not mistaken. Like around some 1200.

Divided by 3 in the European Theater(because at least 3 fronts: Scandinavia, Central Europe, Mediterranean) and suddenly we would be down to 400 that are much more easier to deal with.

That is if Russia commits all of its all of its attack helicopters to the European Theater. Also once again you make the mistake of equating similar equipment, when in the end the whole cooperation between all parts of the armies will be important.

For example what do Russia's tank horde matter, when they reach Germany and they get stuck inside Germany's urbane terrain?

>And their air defense capability is only matched by the USA.

Europe lacks strength in the air force by design, if they were powerful enough to rival Russia they would be powerful enough to threaten the USA.

>And Europe has a lack of anti-armor capability, overall.

Germany alone has enough old ATGMs lying around from the cold war to destroy Russias armored forces twice. They even have the problem that they are now getting equipment that was actually ordered after Cold War specifications(aka killing Russian tanks hordes at the Fulda Gap) that is inadequate for the asymmetric warfare they encounter by being part in the war on terror. German Tiger Helicopers in Afghanistan had to fire missiles at Taliban fighters, because they lacked a board canon since they were never intended to be used against insurgeons. Their were bought to be a modern replacement for the Bo 105 PAH 1 and used in the same way: ambush armored vehicles and destroy them.

>>518194

Where do you even see the word modern nigger? I said their active force is 3000 tanks and 650 of those are superior to Leopard 2, learn to read.

>>518219

oh shit is that long awaited yugioh/jojo crossover?

>>518219

WE

>>518203

>when in the end the whole cooperation between all parts of the armies will be important.

Do tell us, oh wise one, how the fuck will NATO armies better cooperate when none of them have trained (not simulated) at a higher level than brigade elements for the last 30 years and Russia does make exercise whole districts (that would mutate into fronts in case of war) at a time and make army size formations train as whole fairly regularly?

>Germany alone has enough old ATGMs lying around from the cold war to destroy Russias armored forces twice.

Now I know you're a clown. Milan can't scratch the paint off a T-80BV. Yes the cold war ones, or anything with ERA for that matter. That's the reason why the french started fielding APILAS as a stopgap and crash developed the ERYX… Neither of which saw service in CW Germany.

The first anti-ERA version of the Milan came out in 1993… and you never bought any (and when you realize most of your CW milans were too dangerous to use because of how old they were you bought a handful of Spikes).

Same with PzF 3-T, they came out way to late for you to have bough them in significant numbers.

HOT-2 might go through, if aimed at a weak point, but then we've seen even era equipped T-72B in Syria shrug off TOW-2 (that are more modern) attacks.

Also as usual you disregard that the shitiest Russian brigade has enough ATGMs to kill all the tanks of the Germany army (144 AT-6B Spiral, 135 AT-13 Saxhorn-2).

>>518226

>Why would they send the same amount of helicopters to all 3 fronts? Especially to Scandinavia.

They have to attack all sides equally or risk getting encircled. If they just make a beeline through Central Europe, then NATO can fall the Russian troops in the back from the North or South.

Central Europe is strong enough on its own against Russia and gets support from Western Europe.

The Mediterranean includes Turkey and while it seams like a lot of Mediterranean Nations are weaklings, its still a huge territory that Russia has to cover to break all resistance.

This is leaving Scandinavia and considering its geo position it would be advantageous if the Scandinavians gets supported by the UK/Canada.

>Well, what if they don't send their tank hordes there?

Then they fight without tanks against an enemy that has tanks.

>Do they have more soldiers and artillery than Germany?

This another important point, if they split their forces into 3 fronts then Russia loses its numerical superiority against the European forces, which they are already barely keeping.

For example the internet says that Russias military has a total size of about 3,4 million, about 800k active personnel and 2,6 million reserve. Their country has 70 million people theoretical available as soldiers of which 47 million are fit for service.

Meanwhile Germany has after the internet just a tiny military with a total size of 210k, 180k active personnel, 30k reserves. However it has 37 million people theoretical available as soldiers of which about 29,5 million are considered fit for service.

This means that in a state of total war Germany alone could theoretical already field any army that is 60% the size of the entire force that Russia could field in this theoretical state of total war.

Now Germany is joined by France, so another 23 million fit for service join, the we add Poland 16 million fit for service, Hungary 3,9 million fit for service, Austria 3,6 million fit for service and so forth.

If you look at the current military situation, then Russia sure looks strong. But when you look at the population size that NATO can put under weapons should the need arrive, then Russia with all its bells and whistles looks diminutive.

>>518233

>…and Russia does make exercise whole districts (that would mutate into fronts in case of war) at a time and make army size formations train as whole fairly regularly?

Have you actually followed them? Did you forget my comment about everything Russia does today ends looking like Sochi 2014?

To give you an example how bad Russia's training is, their latest war game ended with the use of a nuclear bomb to deescalate the situation. They think bum rushing Scandinavia and Eastern Europe and then exploding a huge fire cracker will scare NATO/Europe into not retaliating against them.

>Now I know you're a clown.

Don't call me a clown when we have seen countless times in the last decade how worse equipped forces with worse or no training destroyed all kinds of tanks during fights in cities in the middle east.

Now what would the result be if these forces had better training and weapons(even old milan are better than some IED made in a goat stable) and combine that with the fact that the enemy is forced to enter the cities, because the country is almost completely urbanized.

What matters is not what these the milan or other ATGM can do on paper versus a Russian tank, but how the Germans are able to utilize them. The Panzerfaust in WW2 was also less then stellar against Russian Tanks when the Eastern Front was still in Russia, the moment however the Eastern Front moved into urbanized central Europe the Russian Tanks suffered massive losses.

>Also as usual you disregard that the shitiest Russian brigade has enough ATGMs to kill all the tanks of the Germany army (144 AT-6B Spiral, 135 AT-13 Saxhorn-2).

And how would that help them against the bulk of the German Army that would mostly be Infantry?

>>517696

>By doing shit like sending literal human waves attacks to clear out minefields because most of their professional military was purged? And that they could do shit like that and still win because they had three times the population of Iraq?

Ohh man, you just reminded me what kind of fuck fest the Iran-Iraq War was. Ohhh boy.

You're a cool froggie. Unfuck your country and you're welcome to invade us again anytime, just like good ol' times.

>>517692

>trump got elected

As opposed to Hillary getting in?

top lel /leftypol/yp

>>518556

>A Jew enabler as opposed to a Jew enabler?

>>518376

You are incapable of conversation, or reason, which isn't surprising due too your relatively young age.

'Filtered.

>>518262

>They have to attack all sides equally or risk getting encircled

No, because not all sides have equal strength.

>Then they fight without tanks against an enemy that has tanks.

In the same cities you said tanks were unusable in? What?

>if they split their forces into 3 fronts then Russia loses its numerical superiority against the European forces,

You are making unrealistic assumptions.

>And how would that help them against the bulk of the German Army that would mostly be Infantry?

They wouldn't even need tanks, in the cities, to blow up fortified targets and armor.

>This means that in a state of total war Germany alone could theoretical already field any army that is 60% the size of the entire force that Russia could field in this theoretical state of total war.

>Now Germany is joined by France, so another 23 million fit for service join, the we add Poland 16 million fit for service, Hungary 3,9 million fit for service, Austria 3,6 million fit for service and so forth.

You would never be able to mobilize, field, maintain or equip as many. And even if you did you wouldn't be able to mobilize them in time, not even close.

>>518203

>Russia is sitting on island that Japan claims as its own and its sitting on land that China has a claim on. Additionally when NATO loses, Japan and South Korea would lose their protection against China and North Korea.

>If China and Japan are opportunistic enough, they work together to remove vodka piggu from asia.

What a schizophrenic thing to say, by the same logic NK and China would HELP Russia, due to obvious stances. South China sea and related issues being some of them. And NK hating SK, Japan and the USA.

Actually, if you add the Asian front to a WW3 you can add China and NK to the Russian side, the numbers just got worse for you…

>Germany alone has enough old ATGMs lying around from the cold war to destroy Russia's armored forces twice.

I'm going to need a source on that, please.

>>518222

WUZ

good thread tbh. We should just let it die and never again mention it

This thread is the thrashiest one we had in a while.

>>518666

Satan has spoken

>>518171

Youre acting like they dont have better helicopters and a shitload of organic ads.

>>517980

Within the United States and China, virtually all combat units can be mobilized. Moving them all to one location is disasterous, however. Futher away from China, and surrounding land, the United States has a few larger sticks: its navy, and abundance of military bases. In addition, the United States has two definite military allies (JP and SK). China will be more pressed supporting combat units the futher away they are from China, then the United States will be. Closer to China, these advantages of the United States dwindle. In addition, China has a definite mililtary ally (NK), and an unlikely military ally (RF).

Concerning the US Navy: The monster is not the planes riding on top of the carriers, its the regiment of Marines that dwell within the entire carrier group.

For example:

The senario without nuclear weapons will play out exactly like the Korean War again, NK, and maybe China will push to Busan, get pushed back by the United States and South Korea, and the United States will hit the same familiar Chinese barrier. The United States can moblize effectively the futher south the conflict goes, but China gains the advantage the closer to China it gets.

China is at a disadvantage. They practically have zero experience.

>>518759

Their army is pretty much built to suppress any peasant rebellion, not for actually fighting others.

>>518759

This. Literally anyone who has fought an actual war (if we include the War of Self defense against Vietnamese in the war of 78 has mostly retired). The only reason that the Chinese beat the Indians 1962 before logistics came in was the fact that most of the generals had been fighting since before WWII all the way through Korea (53) and the China-Burma operation in 61. The third straight crisis is not really a "war", so the last major military action was made in 79. That's 39 years ago!

>>518718

You do realize that the Chinese government has only oil reserves for three days right? Tibet only has enough food for the population for a week. I am pretty sure Vietnam will be fighting with the US, so probably will be a Tibet-Burma?-Vietnam–Japan-Worst Korea theater. Not fun. On top of that, the best Chinese troops are in inner-mongolia to delaya Mongolian invasion led by ruskies so that the government can go from Beijing->Nanjing/ Chongqing. I'm not sure what the status of the Chinese military branches are up north, but I lived in Lingshui and Sanya next to the military naval and air base respectively. I have some serious doubts about the PLAN to be able to actually do anything other than a fleet in being.

That's not even compounding the issue of altitude-sickness in troops that are being mobilized in Tibet if that becomes a theater… I biked to Tibet this year and was the healthiest out of all people 20/21 people could not even run 50 meters, Hell, I am a very fit swimmer and I couldn't run 1km for a week. The most "common" route for logistics is through route 318 from Chengdu->Lhasa. Qinhai->Tibet is too long and adds several? thousand km to the route as Xining is not very industrially developed. On top of that, the Kumming route to Lhasa merges right before the Nu river. There's a location called the 72 bends of the Nu river, in which is a military controlled zone think restricted area?? Not sure about translation. The "Great Nu bridge" there and 2km around it are forbidden to take pictures, and they frequently check IDs. Foreigners must be escorted through IIRC. Photos are prohibited cause if someone hits that bridge, you've effectively screwed the entire logistics of Tibet over aside from the Qinghai route. There's also the issue near the Jinshajiang (Golden sand river). The area after it has severe issues due to the instability of the geological formation there. Literally several portions of that 100km stretch collapse every hour while the Armed Police second detachment (Wujing di er fen dui) desperately dig a new section out. Finally, there's Jianziwan mountain. It consists of Z shaped staggered routes that ascend vertically, you can just bomb it lightly and that portion is entirely unusable. So to conclude, if the US just bombs the Nujiang river bridge, the Jianziwan mountain, and bomb the Haitangou area; they effectively win the Tibetan theater.

>>518770

Plus, you have lots of doctrinal issues with the PLA. It's kinda in a transition state between the Soviet Deep Battle-esque mass operations to a Western army "Lit. Translation Educated and professional army". The US really only needs to do a couple things.

>Blockade Singapore area.

>Bomb the shit outa 318, Starving Tibetans remove kebab and launch independence war.

>Cut off the Chinese near the Beijing-Inner Mongolia area, (It's about 200km in width, so semi-chokepoint) It's not really advised tough

>Cut off the Beijing-Shanghai railroad at Zaozhuang/ Jinan (It's a logistics chokepoint, most Major Beijing->S China railway/ highway goes through that region/

>Blow up the Three gorges Dam You've just killed most people in Wuham, Shanghai, and Nanjing!

>Take out that Russia-China pipeline

What the US needs not to Do

>Send troops to Tibet/Qinghai/Xinjiang, let them take care of themselves by starving them out.

>Try to invade Sichuan/Yunnan/S China. Too many mountain and jungle terrain Have fun with Vietnamese 2.0 Did I also mention the local drug kingpins have tanks and fucking Hinds? Also, literally the entire black market arms producers are located on the Burma-China border jungles. Have fun with fighting guys with ATGMs, howitzers and the like

>Invade Shandong, your gonna get Kursk level of tank battles there and then there is also the entire fucking population of Vietnam there that'd you have to deal with.

>Fight in any major city cause they just gonna lob fireworks as explosives :/

There's also the argument that there is yet another lol split in the PLA due to Xi's concept of a mechanized army with no oil lol. My understanding was that he purged quite a few capable officers related **tangentially* from Bo Xilai.

>source is my family member who held the rank of Lt. General in the SIGINT division

I'd post pics for some of the Tibet stuff but I'd rather not get kidnapped from my home in the US or just murdered.*HI MSS**

Offtopic sage part. IF you want to experience Tibet, go to Sichuan's Garzê Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture. Or pretend that your a pilgrim from Indian walking around the sacred mountains lol If you do go to tibet, it's basiclly **China's version of Manifest destiny but with less killing and more deaths from altitude lol

>>518771

In other words, the US is in a much better position than the Ruskies or the US. Not that anyone would invade us do to our fanatic gun owner pop down anyways ;^)

Except spics and nignogs by having more children. WAKE YOU WHITES AND HAVE ATLEAST 2 CHILDREN GOD DAMNIT.

Damn HI MSS, have fun with FBIspooks

>>518772

nigger rate is I think the same as white rate, and hispanic rate is collapsing to the same level, if not already.

the reason hispanic population grew is because there is literally nothing on our border preventing them from simply driving or walking across.

>>518772

Nogs stay at 12-13%, no real increase or decrease. Also Nanjing never happened but it should have.

>>518774

As a Texan my suggestion is to fucking mine the border, or do a bamboo wall like they did in China.

>>518775

The next Nanking might be what happens when the PLA uses MLRS on the nips.

Not that I feel it will be effective cause japans pop is aging so badly

>>517496

I'm beginning to doubt the US can win a conventional war with Russia. I mean has any actual defensive measures been taken to upgrade US ships from being remotely controlled?

>>518785

>actually believing the Navy's boogeyman

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, you haven't seen the navy since integration. First the Navy was flooded with niggers that you had to pretend were there for reasons other than no on shoots at the navy. At least niggers can still do manual labor when they're too stupid to be of any other service, but the women the Navy shoves everywhere can't even be physically competent. The culture of the Navy is perhaps the most anti-merit of all US branches; it is no surprise that standards, for all sailors, have fucking cratered. The US military is not capable of fighting a peer/near peer force given current leadership/enlistment.

>>518905

>West Point

>anything but the way rich kids can LARP as a solider while also fighting for Israel

>>518905

I'm fairly sure the anti-extremist laws banning commies, nazis and Jap imperialist from positions in the military/administration have never been abrogated. Don't forget to report those guys to the closest FBI tip line.

>>518905

i cannot comprehend how people believe in communism.

>>518916

They believe in communism because they never lived under one.

>>518905

Imagine if a soldier wore a shirt with Hitler on it and said fascism will win.

Communism killed MORE people.

>>518912

You are only banned from being natsoc/fascist. If you are a commie you will get promoted to the CIA :^)

>>518922

>killed

That implies past tense. I continues to kill people in the places it exists.

>>518916

>>518919

Most of them are often lied to by professors who sing praises about communism and don't do any research for themselves because you can always trust professors since they're gods that never lie amirite?

The ones who actually read up on it themselves and still somehow think it will work despite the past century's worth of evidence to the contrary are usually the kind of person that thinks they'd automatically become commisars instead of being murdered immediately after the initial takeover.

>>517574

>mc-130

>>518956

You just perfectly summed up public ed

>>519097

now compare industrial ability.

Makes outsourcing everything to chinks seem retarded, doesnt it?

>>518771

>american virgin loser fantasizes about his country winning against anyone but cavemen-tier sandniggers

jewish jingoism is one hell of a drug, huh

>>519097

Why does Canada have such expenditures? They have roughly above one third of the jets we have.and a little over half the tonnage of our Navy.

>>519097

>russiangayhazing

Their hazing is seniority based violence. I think youre confusing ukrainian gay porn videos with hazing in russian military.

Also >>519099

Russian military is 30 times cheaper, because they have centralized domestic military industry. Everything from raw ore to jet engines is fully domestic and has rock bottom prices.

Western countries distribute military industry across the whole nation f35 production in all 50 us states so a precision part has to be shipped dozens of times etc plus share production with ally nations PLUS buy key resources from hostile nations US basically fucked its plutonium and lead production for environmentalism, so has to buy these things from china and russia at 1000000x the cost.

tl;dr spending more =/= better.

>>519110

See above. Now imagine that on top of that price, the US company we buy from has to make a profit.

>>519136

It's my firm belief that outsourcing lead mining and smelting was a long-term biowarfare project.

>>519097

what does this graph represent?

>>519165

that would be cool, but I think it was a combination of free-market dogma and evironmentalist liberal sissy collusion.

>>519169

GPD in $ I guess.

Which is extremely retarded for Russia since they don't use $ for anything except buying their own RUB when they want to change the rate (but they do that with $ they get from exports).

Everyone else buy energy, oil/gas, in $ so the comparison sort of make sense even if it has limits (as long as you remove the US from it, since the US can just print more $ and the Federal Reserve has never been audited so nobody actually know if any of their numbers are real…).

It's even stupider when comparing defense budgets since the Russia military industry is extensive (it includes raw materials transformations) and state based producing basically at cost.

The only proper approximation of their defense budget for comparison you can do is for procurement you take what they put in service in a year, see for how much they sell that shit in $ at export and for things they don't sell you compare it with NATO equivalents.

TheUS military couldn’t win against China or North Korea. China’s military is to advanced and North Korea is very mountains allowing the Norks to just use guerrilla warfare and drain our resources like the Taliban did in Afghanistan. Reminder after 16 years the Taliban still controls around 40% of Afghanistan, and there currently on the offensive.

>>517554

Those cheap Indian coolies were the worst thing to happen to Britain and the Empire.

>>517799

>bigger numbers

Saddam had bigger numbers when we got hired to evict him from Kuwait.

We developed an arsenal to deal with the Soviet Union, we can still develop one like that again.

>>519223

Your post makes me think of this.

>>517561

So CIA stuff

>>519187

Well nowadays our perfect fighter would look something like Su-34.

>>519254

since you didn't outright say, based on your flag and level of anger im guessing what you want sourced here

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/10/20/remaining-lead-smelter-usa-closing/

https://www.space.com/32890-nuclear-fuel-spacecraft-production-plutonium-238.html

>>519136

Wouldn't distributing the industry be good in the sense that that it couldn't be bombed out in one go?

Cough looking at the Chinese munitions factories in Sichuan I also heard some rumors that they hired a lot of the Black Sea Shipyard engineers and relocated them to China along with some Antonov ones. The first wave was hired as technical advisors in like the early 2000s before ~2010 when they offered them a long term work contract in China and Green cards. Those are really rare. Like 2000 of them were handed out before 2010.

(Rumors say almost the size of an entire city ~5000 personnel). Anyone here read Ukrainian that can dig up any sources?

Here's a Chinese semi-source (First paragraph, others is just BS about us imperialism).

http://mil.huanqiu.com/world/2017-09/11238058.html

https://archive.is/3bpxm

It reads:

"(September 12th). The recent Ukrainian carrier experts that have been working for China have raised some awareness on the mainland. In truth, the Ukrainian arms industries emigration is not really new news. According to statistics, from 1991 onward after Ukrainian independence, Ukrainians in the Soviet Industrial-military complex numbered roughly 3594 people. Of which those with direct relationship to the procurement of arms is roughly 700 experts. As the Ukrainians made gained independence this "super" military-industrial complex became the target of large scale layoffs [sic. literally, thinning] and conversion, a lot of the engineers became someone with an empty legendary skill [Literal translation: One who has skill but without other's knowing (and inability to execute himself)] and "luckly" at the same time olive branch was extended from many directions to this new country."

I am interested though, did the US hire massive amounts of military procurement personnel? I assumed they did along with the Ruskies and Chinese.

>>519305

>Wouldn't distributing the industry be good in the sense that that it couldn't be bombed out in one go?

Alternative is ineficance and need to transport everything to the other side of the country, and as ww2 shows, infrastrusture is easier to bomb then factories

>>519305

If war is nuclear, it wouldnt matter anyway. If war isnt nuclear, its better to have one place to defend.

I dount US would hire ukrainians, they might introduce more efficieng ideas.

>>519097

>>519136

Hazing only exist within conscripts. Conscript military service is very unpopular and all half-decent people are trying to avoid it. So nearly the whole conscript roster consist of basically juvenile petty criminals. They are handed out brutal punishment for misconduct by accompanying contract servicemen and officers and oftentimes they gain control and put it to order, but sometimes they wouldn't give a shit and the whole conscript section of the military installation turns into a juvenile prison equivalent.

>>519374

>Hazing only exist within conscripts. Conscript military service is very unpopular and all half-decent people are trying to avoid it. So nearly the whole conscript roster consist of basically juvenile petty criminals. They are handed out brutal punishment for misconduct by accompanying contract servicemen and officers and oftentimes they gain control and put it to order, but sometimes they wouldn't give a shit and the whole conscript section of the military installation turns into a juvenile prison equivalent.

Hi Moshe, how's the weather in Tel Aviv?

>0.6% of the men conscripted discharged their military duty.

https://archive.is/LV6Qx

>>519385

They flat out refuse conscription and proceed to using illegal means if necessary to do so you dumb fuck. They do it until age of 27 when they can no longer be conscripted. Also the legal penalty for avoiding conscription is equivalent or better to conscription service so for avoidists it's a win-win.

>>519387

>They flat out refuse conscription and proceed to using illegal means if necessary to do so you dumb fuck. They do it until age of 27 when they can no longer be conscripted. Also the legal penalty for avoiding conscription is equivalent or better to conscription service so for avoidists it's a win-win.

Except the Russian government regularly publish (every 6 months) own many are called and how many are liberated and the disparity is never something above 1% (more like 0.3%).

The call every 6 months around 135 000 to 155 000 people.

In spring 2016 155,000 people were called in "autumn" (1 October to 31 December) 2016, 152,000 were called (https://sputniknews.com/military/201609301045853109-russian-army-servicemen/ ).

End of December 2016 the Russian armed forces had 276,000 conscripts ( http://eng.mil.ru/files/2016-12-22_MoD_board_extended_session_ENG.pdf )

So… 31 000 people (10%) are draft dodging NOT.

Because it doesn't include people doing their time as national guards (ex-interior troops) which are at least 20 000 more likely 30…

So at best you have a few thousands people that are draft dodging.

Even if it was 10% and not 1% saying

>"nearly the whole conscript roster consist of basically juvenile petty criminals."

Is saying 90% of the Russian youth are criminals…

Sure a lot of them come with a note from mommy's doctor saying they can't do push ups, (to which they're sent to army doctor saying they're fine) and students try to lengthen their studies to hit the 27 years bar without having to move their useless ass (though recently they can do an ROTC thing instead, so even that should be reduced by a lot, since you can earn credits and do a military service without any risk of encountering peasants at the same time)… like in every other country that has ever had drafts.

And like in every other country were there is a draft… it doesn't work and only a handful actually manage to avoid it.

>>519403

Well I don't have any hard data on draft evasion felony statistics (actual sentences number in only 3 digits annually), but the part about hazing and lawlessness among conscripts is actually true. Only elite bases can boast low levels of senior conscript hazing of newcomers, and in particularly shitty bases it is just like juvenile prison, complete with cattle food tier swill, senseless inmate violence and extra hard punishment in solitary cells for exceptionally standing individuals.

>>519477

Forgot to mention use of force by officers to subdue aggressors. Also "extra hard" implies that there are other means of punishment, sometimes rather creative. One of the popular ones is "orbital launch". The wrongdoer is put on round-clock duty and only released several days later. They're usually given very shitty duty, too, so it's a lot of hard work plus harsh sleep deprivation (only 4 hours of sleep are allowed on duty night). Or they'd make you work out at night until you collapse. Or they'd put on you multiple gas masks and plate carriers and make you run loops on the platz square, sometimes also in the night. Or they'd make you do push ups and take position 1½, halfway between position 1 and position 2, and make you hold it that way until you collapse, for which they'd get physical on you. Or they can make the whole company do that, then your own mates will get physical on you. The one way that doesn't actually involves any code violations is putting you on duty every other day, while you'd normally be only doing that every other week.

I've actually been there and I can attest to all that. So are many of my friends and male relatives.

Also, no one really cares for conscripts. They were thought of as cannon fodder because you couldn't really make a good soldier out of someone in less than 2 years, let alone in less than 1 year as it is currently with reduced conscription length. That and a decree that people with criminal background are allowed for drafting. So often they're left to their own devices with minimal senior staff involvement.

>>519480

Wouldn't you need to fuck up to be punished?

>>519503

haha

>>519480

That sound like special forces training here…. Not hazing.

>>519517

That's a description of senior personnel handing out light version punishment to offenders that's not just beating to pulp, which also happens. It goes on top of daily training and work and replaces rest time. But even at that it's a better option than solitary chamber. Hazing itself is the same eldritch shit you'd find in russian juvenile prison and more.

>>519503

You would, but if you're a blockhead raised by street thugs it's easier than you would expect.

>>519369

I guess most of the brain drain would be to E

U/Russia/China then?

>>519313

You mean where they hide all the factories in dense jungle Sichuan where there's only two highways in 100km?? LOL

>>519520

>You would, but if you're a blockhead raised by street thugs it's easier than you would expect.

Well, If I had to turn Russian gang bangers into obedient soldiers I'd be a cunt as well.

I doubt there's any other way to go about it in such a situation.

>>519099

To be fair the F-35 will be the second or third most combat-effective fighter jet for the next couple of decades and if the projected unit cost is as low as it's advertised which seems really unlikely to me given its development cost then it might even be the most cost effective too despite of its excessive maintenance and flight hour cost.

The real failure was that its development cost is at least 4 times higher than F-22 and potentially as much as half a hundred times higher than the PAK-FA's while both of them are superior (or comparable in the case of the PAK-FA) in operational performance. Especially compared to the F-22, that had its manufacturing tools scrapped in favour of it due to claimed cost issues thanks Obama! , and especially given that it was to a great extent based on technognossy gained by F-22's development (essentially it's a miniaturized/downgraded F-22) its development should normally be at a fraction of the obviously superior Raptor's cost, not at multiple times higher cost.

>>519555

>You mean where they hide all the factories in dense jungle Sichuan

you can have centralized factories and not be retarded

>>519480

>>519520

>people who never been to russian army talking about russian army

Top kek

>>519763

It's supposedly cause "we ran into delays" where I think it more of the fact its just flat out corruption.

>>519780

Even if they did, they can't really ship something out of a single lane dirt road that might collapse anytime. It's why their building the Ya'an -> Kangding highway. So they can actually not rely on an overloaded road (or roads) in the middle of bum fuck nowhere.

>>517855

implying that the right wing factions within the heerdont support russian nationalist policies and wouldnt seize control of the state if merkel tried to go to war

they already are investigating over 400 soldiers for being extremists, thats just the ones that they know about

>>519834

To be arrested for that in Germany you just need to say that rapists should be punished.

>>517546

>>4th gen and 5th gen warfare

>Am I a complete noob for not having heard of these before?

Read William S. Lind

https://www.traditionalright.com/resources/

John Robb and Lind are operating in the same school of thought. I think Lind invented 4th generation war as a slogan for old ideas.

>>519785

>(1)

>hidden flag

>can't tell it's the same guy

>>>/cuckchan/

>norks

>actual military

Kim's boys are malnourished manlets with woefully obsolete equipment. China is also a clusterfuck militarily speaking, but they have enough warm bodies to through at us that you should be worried about them.

>>520061

And then I ask again how is that any different than the first time around when we already didn't won?

Besides that now both of them have nukes too…

>>520137

>And then I ask again how is that any different than the first time around when we already didn't won?

This. Especially without Leonidas' descendants support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Expeditionary_Force_(Korea)

>Greece was the fifth largest troop contributor to U.N. Forces in Korea.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Expeditionary_

Force_(Korea)#Sparta_Battalion

Americans don't even have the stomach for 50 people dying.

>>518149

>>517946

>Because everything Russian tries in our contemporary world ends up like the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.

Which was such a disaster – not. Despite what western propaganda had tried to suggest, Sochi worked well.

>Cold war scenarios estimated that Germany's cities would turn into huge meat grinder for both sides should the war get hot.

Cold war scenarios would have meant that Germany's cities would have perished in nuclear fire in the first days, hours of the war

>>517958

>People are starving in Russia today,

It is Germany were people are dumpster divers today, out of necessity. I witnessed it with my own eyes, not only once.

>Germany's and Russias economic relationship are similar to those between China and Africa today.

Yeah, an Africa with nukes and supersonic fighter production, how are Germany’s capabilities in this regard?

>Russia for being such a badass country is unable to get even into the most basic millennial technologies and industrial processes on its own.

Can’t be so bad when countries like China or India are keen to get Russian technology.

>Yes the reparations that were greenlit in 1948, but those are a small parts of the overall reparation claims. Many European countries got fucked over and received just peanuts.

Germany’s post war steel production only reach pre war levels in the 1970’s, due to demolition after the war. Germany lost more than a quarter of its territory, industrial production facilities, private and public property in the east. In the Soviet zone all dual track railway lines were reduced to single track, rails and rolling material looted and distributed not only to the Soviet Union. Whole factories were dismantled and stolen. It’s personal were lead into slavery not only in the east, but also the west were thirteen year old boys were made slaves on French farms, were the had to live and feed among the pigs. There were not only German slaves in Soviet but in British, French and Belgian mines. The first post war Olympics in London were build by German slave labour.

Not enough an unprecedented systematic looting of German intellectual property, economic and technological know-how happened, from semiconductor tech, pharmacy, optical and mechanical patents to the extraction of the formulation of eau de cologne at gun point.

>We still have nuclear reactors for research and medical purposes

Haha, like Iran and Iraq, every part imported, particularly the fuel.

>deposit site full of radioactive material that can be used for bombs.

It would be easier to dig new uranium mines than try to extract useful material from that rubbish.

>All the tools and technologies are in Germany's hand to produce nuclear weapons even with the commercial nuclear energy sector shutting down.

Siemens has sold its nuclear tech to the French. You can no longer study nuclear tech on German universities. When the old fags have been dead, that knowledge is lost for Germany. Thank god, we have gender studies as a replacement.

>Hell Germany is helping building parts for France's trident missile, which are used to give France second strike capabilities.

Franc has no trident missiles, that are an exclusive US tech only sold to the UK as ready-made missiles.

Could it be that you have illusions about Germany’s position in the world, shaped by totally unrealistic German state propaganda?

>>518171

>>518156

>The counter to Russia's tank force is not NATOs tanks, but things like the Apache and everything else that can carry an ATGM. The idea that you need tanks to counter tanks is antiquated.

You need tanks to hold territory. Helos do consume insane amounts of fuel, but still can not stay on the front line for more than a few minutes. Helos capabilities are much reduced with bad weather, so most of the year in Europe.

>>518149

>>To attack NATO Russia has to move against the Baltics/Poland, Scandinavia, against Turkey at the Bosporus and be ready for a potential attack from China and/or Japan from the East, at the same time.

Scandinavia has no military capabilities at all, biggest threat would be an invasion, raid by the USA against Russian Navy installations on Kola peninsula, Murmansk.

Turkey is creeping into the Russian camp. The threat in an conflict with Russia would not be Turkey attacking the soft underbelly of the bear, but the Turk changing sides and closing the Bosporus for NATO.

China has no interest in helping NATO/USA against Russia, knowing they will be next.

Japan has no power protecting ability at all, the Chinese will discourage any Japanese adventurism against Russia.

>Also the USA/Canada might decide they could try an attack coming from the North.

Arctic warefare is cool. I would like to see that, it just never gona happend, would end in a desaster if the USA (forget about Canada) would try it.

>You are telling me that today's Russia has enough manpower to fight a 4 to 5 front war?

They don‘t need to, because their potential enemies are not able to fight like that.

>>520428

Japan has no power projecting ability

>>518194

>And I don't want to be told that from the only country on the fucking planet that hasn't figured out how to fit a fucking nose gun on it's attack helicopters…

It is the same company building the French helicopter.

It was a deliberate decision, the German version had better sensors, who would not be disturbed by shock, vibrations and fumes of a gun and it would not look as “aggressive”, to appease retarded German politicians

>>518203

>>518176

>Russia will not invade Europe, because once they do it will start a world war that will demand for them to go into a total war economy at least for a decade and they don't have resources and manpower for that.

The question is does the NATO, USA do have the resources and manpower for it? China would gain much in such a constellation, the longer it last, the more and in the end might be the winner like the USA after the first world war, reducing Russia and the USA to vassal status.

>Russia has more attack helicopters than the entirety of Europe as well, if I'm not mistaken. Like around some 1200.

>Divided by 3 in the European Theater(because at least 3 fronts: Scandinavia, Central Europe, Mediterranean) and suddenly we would be down to 400 that are much more easier to deal with.

Russia don‘t need to, because her enemies are not able to fight a multi front war against her. Russia's strategy would be the same as Napoleons or the Wehrmacht to assemble most of its forces at one point to strike its enemies one for one.

>>518203

>For example what do Russia's tank horde matter, when they reach Germany and they get stuck inside Germany's urbane terrain?

The same as the German tanks “stuck in Polish and French urban terrain”, receiving the capitulation of the defenders.

>>518551

>You're a cool froggie. Unfuck your country and you're welcome to invade us again anytime, just like good ol' times.

Yeah cool Maroquinade

>>518771

>The US really only needs to do a couple things.

>Blow up the Three gorges Dam You've just killed most people in Wuham, Shanghai, and Nanjing!

It is a massive wall and probably only possible with nukes, so the Chinese will retaliate in kind.

>>519958

>>519834

>To be arrested for that in Germany you just need to say that rapists should be punished.

Aggravating would be him proud to be German and thinking that the German people should not perish.

>>517496

No, the US military is hands down the most effective at projecting power worldwide. Infantry and general ground forces don't matter that much when your concern is fucking things up halfway around the world, they only need to be halfway-competent while the air force and navy do all the real work.

>>520541

So the US is the older kid, proficient at messing with the kindergartner's lunch money, but when someone their own age finally confronts him he will change schools?

>>520431

What's the point of making an attack helicopter that can't attack? Are Germans supposed to waste a hellfire per goatfucker?

>>517496

The US military is risk-averse, overly dependent on technology, arrogant, expensive, and careless. In a real war it would lose three times three ground its leaders expect and it can still kick any ass

>>520587

In other words, bringing a gun to a sword fight makes it a gun fight, and it's pretty fucking retarded to bring swords to a gun fight.

>>520635

That's the thing about the US military for any problems it has you can expect those a hundred fold and probably even dumber shit out of any other military. I mean for Christ's sake tons of people in the US are scared of China starting some shit and the Chinese haven't even won a war against a foreign power in five hundred years.

>>520692

China has successfully annexed several neighbors in that time.

>>520693

You mean China got annexed by their neighbors who then just called their new country China? Because that's pretty much how China has been existing since almost the start of time.

>>520587

The US isn't cowardly for bringing a gun to a sword fight. The issue is that they only choose sword armed targets on purpose.

>>520695

The only non-Sinic speakers that occupied and ruled China were the Mongols and the Manchus.

>>520695

That's amazingly the opposite.

China got invaded by it's neighbors and convinced them they were Chinese, especially true for the Manchus.

>>520559

No, the US is the world's largest Empire and so has to invest in actually doing shit halfway around the globe. That's just standard practice. If you want to maintain your place at the top people need to know you can fuck over anyone at any time, once that feeling is gone you're dead.

>>520705

>>520559

Or basically the way you keep an Empire together is occasionally cracking down hard on someone (internally or externally) with military force in order to cut off any number of other opponents before they get to that point. Generally you can't fight the entire world at once (or deal with rebellions everywhere at once) but you must, at all costs, prevent people from realising that. Power projection is more important for this purpose than quality ground forces since worst case you just ship in a new set of faggots (or multiple new sets) if the first one is insufficient. There's also the benefits of Naval and Air power in terms of economic control. Warfare is mostly logistics, so is managing an Empire.

>>520706

>>520705

I was just having some bants. I understand what you are saying.

>>520707

Fair enough.