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There's no discharge in the war!

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2464ea No.514259

Whats the best way to hold a knife for stabbing/fighting?

Watched alot of videos but the comments informed that's all a meme.

Any infographics? Also knife thread.

b32325 No.514260

>>514259

what's the point of learning how to knife fight if you can't even own a knife, let alone use it for self defense?


2464ea No.514261

>>514260

I'm not in the uk


f5f07a No.514290

knife fighting is fucking stupid.


71aca4 No.514302

>>514260

>>514290

Yeah knife fighting is generally fucking retarded and only used as a last resort, but why not provide advice that helps deal with such a situation?

Not all Streloks have the benefit of living in a country where the most cucked state/province still allows you to own a firearm and use it for self-defense.


05f63a No.514319

>How 2 win at knife fite for pros

1. Bring a fucking gun.

2. No gun? Make some molotovs to toss at the chump.

3. No gun? Don't want to set shit on fire? Get something with reach like a spear or a shank on a stick if no spear either.

3. Fucking hell, nothing with reach except for your knife? Just hold firmly and stick the other guy with the business end of your knife until you win. Then get stitched up for not following step 1, retard.


0d4167 No.514324

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


a0a2ad No.514326

Hold the knife so the blade comes out of the bottom of your fist. It prevents the knife from stabbing you int he chest, and can't be stopped by grabbing you on the wrist. For advice any more indepth than that, you take classes.


31de20 No.514337

Tell me about tantos /k/. Is there anything to know beyond

>better stab

>worse cut


fabedf No.514344

File: e2e591b224bc10a⋯.jpg (150.8 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, Loveless-Knife-Dixon-Fight….jpg)

File: e881f01c19e918a⋯.jpg (217.64 KB, 1024x773, 1024:773, Bob-Loveless-Lawndale-Figh….jpg)

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File: aba57291324c71d⋯.jpg (1.18 MB, 2000x1325, 80:53, 1440020610_0.jpg)

>>514337

It's more like

>strong as fuck tip

>meh stab in terms of penetration (spear point or clip point will penetrate better, especially if with false edge)

tbh, pic related are among the most effective type of modern fighting knives.

>mediocre cut (really depends the grind of the rest of the blade)

>>514259

Just hold it so your fingers won't slip onto the blade when you stab. Point down, thumb on pommel generally imparts the most force, but point up and out tends to have less time in between stabs.

Don't get into a knife fight like >>514319 says. Grab a stick, or a pipe, or a shovel, anything that will give you reach. One really can't parry effectively with a knife under 10 inches, so you can break your opponents wrist, or fingers, etc. and cause him to lose control of his knife, before you safely beat his face in.

If you're just trying to kill someone, using a knife, get as close as you can without them noticing, and then rush them. Get right on them, and pin/control as many of their limbs as you can. Next, stab them as fast as you can (think sewing machine or reciprocating saw) to cause blood loss and organ damage. Try to do as much of this while they are still disoriented as possible. For examples of this, watch prisoners shanking someone.


b32325 No.514349

File: 2df778c980aafd0⋯.png (518.67 KB, 822x706, 411:353, pix.PNG)

>>514302

>Yeah knife fighting is generally fucking retarded and only used as a last resort,

i wouldn't say that.


14887d No.514353

>>514260

>>514259

Knife fighting as a practice is a martial art. The general tactics and form can be applied to a lot of similar weapons and improv. In theory, good knife fighting techniques could be utilized effectively with a pen, pencil, a pair of scissors, a rusty railroad spike, or even a chop stick.

That said, as a whole, knife fighting is kinda complex and if you can use a quality knife instead of a glorified prison shank, you should. I prefer a backhand grip, which is a fist, with your thumb over the pommel and the blade spine at about a 45 degree angle from the ground, point edge out. This can in theory help with parrying and protect that sides brachial artery, but YMMV.

The biggest thing with a knife fight is that it is inherently a mixed environment. If you get really into it, expect to lose unless you can effectively punch, strike, and grapple at a basic level, or are REALLY REALLY good with your knife. The other thing is understanding the anatomy of your opponent and how to utilize it against them based on what they will likely do. Watching your opponents preferred knife grip can help with this. An example (not an in depth one) is that if someone is going to make a lunging, movie type stab at you, this opens them up very badly to a number of martial arts grabs, or the option to just slash at their forearms while they try.

In most media this is played off as a "minor" injury, but if you get several good cuts on the forearm of an opponent, and are patient, the blood loss will slowly kill them or disable them. Not that that's ideal.

Anyway, watch your opponents choice of knife grip. It is extremely informative about both their skill level, and the type of movement they will likely execute. There's a couple of good youtube videos on it if you have the time.

As for how YOU should hold a knife…. whichever way you feel the most comfortable with. I personally prefer a backhand grip, and it is very effective for me and my fighting style. But other people like the ice pick grip, some people like the "regular" grip, some people like a modified grip…..

All that said, knives are best used as an ambush and assassination weapon at close range. And where you intend to stab your target in that scenario should dictate your grip. Any sort of "reach around", where you come up from behind to stab the front, should be backhand, and anything targeting the spine (with the exception of the back of the neck and upper chest from certain angles), sides, and brain stem (up at about a 30 degree angle where the head begins to meet the neck) should be done with a "traditional" grip, IMO.


4be05a No.514356

Two Options OP:

1. Point up, thumb on spine of knife. Main targets are the inner forearms, back of arm, top of quads. This is the defanging the snake method. Will make their bodies useless and end a fight quickly.

2. Point down. This is the classical way of many European martial arts (preserved in fight books/martial arts manuals in Europe). My main study was Fiore de'I Liberi who fought point down.

The knives were long and looked like spikes. They were made for anti armor and were stabbed downward into the head/neck/upper torso. They could also be thrusted up.

With this unique spike dagger though was a whole martial art system of locking, defending, throwing, breaking etc. You had Cycling stuff like in Filipino arts but just tons of simple, easy to learn movements to stop an enemies knife and either disarm it, break the arm, bind the arm or throw the person.

Good times http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de%27i_Liberi


a5e3ba No.514359

>>514356

Amazing site, OP.


fb8f0d No.514362

Pedowood/vidja embellishment aside, is it possible to kill someone semi-quietly with a knife?


4be05a No.514365

>>514362

Yes, especially if the knife is long enough.


fb8f0d No.514366

>>514365

Forgive me in advance for being such a newfag, but why is the knife's length a bonus?


4be05a No.514367

>>514366

It can go in deeper with the trust or the cut. If you are going for an established fighting knife I'd recommend a long stabbing knife. At least an 8 inch blade, but 10-12 even better imo.


4be05a No.514368

>>514366

Actually sorry I realize that was pretty brief. Most organs are at most 3 inches deep. It's possible, like a bullet, to stab through multiple ones. The length also makes it more likely you'll hit (if they start jerking around/pulling away: which they will)

You want to inflict as much, catastrophic damage as possible in the shortest amount of time. They will yell/scream and carry on if you don't cover their mouth (which they will then bite).

If you were just sneaking up on someone then hit them in the back of the head with a hatchet or something.


fb8f0d No.514369

>>514367

>>514368

Oh no, I was asking how the length would be an asset to doing it quietly, though I think I might be misreading. Either way, got some recommended models?


ac364e No.514397

>>514368

Also you have to account for thick clothing in cold weather.


44b121 No.514420


2464ea No.514433

>>514420

Where you can buy knifes similar to the one he is holding? Only ones im seeing are older.


44b121 No.514456

>>514433

It is a Fairbairn Sykes Commando Dagger, there are various reproductions available in Bongcuckistan but I dont know the quality of them.


fa106c No.514462

>>514349

So he stabbed an unarmed man after a fistfight over stupid shit?

How is that not retarded?


410f90 No.514504

>>514433

The modern blades are generally shit, even period copies were shit because half the features were removed.

List of features:

- Sharp tapering point, enough to pierce skin by the weight of the knife alone.

- Slim, so it can slip between ribs/vertebra.

- 7 inch long blade, so depth of stab can reach all organs.

- Double edged symetrical blade, making it more versatile, and aiding stabbing.

- Ricasso to help secure grip and provide a less breakable anchor for the slim stilleto blade.

- S shaped ergonomic guard allowing use of ricasso technique.

- Rapping balls on guard and pommel, to provide omnidirectional focus of impact energy on bone.

- Weighted grips balanced to just aft of the guard.

- Steel or brass grips, roughened to secure hand even when covered by a slippery substance.

- Overall metallic construction to add weight to rapping ball punches, but slimness keeps it light enough not to fall out of hands.


2464ea No.514554

>>514504

What can you use to get such a sharp needle point on a knife?


922fff No.514598

>>514554

320-400 grit diamond plate, a 1000-1500 grit ceramic whetstone, and a leather strop with green compound, and bare leather. And a lot of time.

Although tbh a point that fine is too fragile for anyone other than a real expert not me or you to use in combat. If the point is double edged and not rounded off from bad design or sharpening, it should be sufficient. Remember, drugged up niggers use shitty chinese fantasy knives to kill each other all the time.


053256 No.514705

calligraphy brush grip


f125a8 No.514731

>>514705

>chopstick grip

>cigarette grip

>mouth grip


f125a8 No.514739

File: 569a4a4c86cd1dd⋯.jpg (161.1 KB, 1024x680, 128:85, 7325401260_2297028150_b.jpg)

File: fef049c6624474b⋯.jpg (1.46 MB, 4608x3456, 4:3, q13BHgC.jpg)

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File: baf296df0427ce2⋯.jpg (131.06 KB, 724x541, 724:541, 14523194_559602807567850_3….jpg)

who ordered knifeporn


fabedf No.514763

File: ae7faad9c45ea70⋯.jpg (24.46 KB, 368x866, 184:433, prohunter.jpg)

File: 9a5adae8bcd8db0⋯.jpg (133.98 KB, 700x500, 7:5, bob loveless lawndale burg….jpg)

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File: f70fa83652fe39f⋯.jpg (170.92 KB, 800x474, 400:237, 2_xl_p_080107124515.jpg)

>>514739

will dump some more


fabedf No.514765

File: 326b474163f6526⋯.jpg (202.27 KB, 800x589, 800:589, 2_xl_p_200207122741.jpg)

File: 8f2802791649efd⋯.jpg (429.65 KB, 800x530, 80:53, 10.27.15.dk-sisu4.jpg)

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File: bba92589b3b3d11⋯.jpg (473.04 KB, 800x530, 80:53, 07.14.15.dk-sisu5.jpg)

and some more


867946 No.514766

Does New Zealand have any historical knives? Because I can't find any that seem unique. If not anything that's a cultural simbol?


fabedf No.514767

File: 70862a44da09eba⋯.jpg (337.01 KB, 800x600, 4:3, bill moran's knife.jpg)

File: 32832e6a4d73d2b⋯.jpg (355.61 KB, 700x525, 4:3, 3pS5vqM.jpg)

File: 0a3404cb4cd8116⋯.jpg (135.67 KB, 1024x680, 128:85, s-6_zpsskhzq8vr.jpg)

File: fbbe09c6fdaeee0⋯.jpg (85.62 KB, 1024x680, 128:85, s-7_zpshzm59ihd.jpg)

File: a3dcda1c9287d82⋯.jpg (102.7 KB, 1024x680, 128:85, s-8_zpsfwgyxhar.jpg)

perhaps more. The one marked "bill moran's knife"

has a story. Bill Moran was a famous knifemaker, who died a while ago. During/just after WWII, a German POW lived on the same farm bill did. The POW was older, and had made knives before the war. He made this one out of scraps, and after the war, when he left, he gave it to bill.


fabedf No.514769

File: da14e2260fe3d1d⋯.jpg (62.51 KB, 711x800, 711:800, svord-vtb-von-tempsky-bowi….jpg)

File: 210c40248f8b966⋯.jpg (67.76 KB, 711x800, 711:800, svord-vtr-fixed-new-zealan….jpg)

>>514766

Von Tempsky's rangers famously used bowie knives during the bush wars (pic related are modern reproductions made in NZ):

>"Old Von was a terror with the bowie knife"

>This replica Forest Ranger Bowie Knife is based on the knife design than von Tempsky issued to his company of Forest Rangers in 1863.

>Gustavus Ferdinand von Tempsky, adventurer, soldier and artist, learned the benefits of bowie knife fighting in California while working in the gold fields. He possessed a fine knife of American manufacture for his own use, but had about 30 bowie knives made to his personal design by a cutler of Shortland St, Auckland. These were issued to the men of No. 2 Company, New Zealand Forest Rangers, under Major von Tempsky's command.

>The Forest Rangers were an elite corps of bush-roving scouts employed by the colonial government between August 1863 and October 1867 during the New Zealand Wars. "They were the Forest Rangers, whose very name carries a flavour of adventure in the Dangerous Lands, suggests tales of scouting and skirmish and ambuscade, and bush marching and camping in wary silence." (James Cowan, historian)

>The knives were made from waggon spring steel - being one of the few sources of suitable steel available to blacksmiths in Auckland in 1863.

>Von Tempsky, an experienced fighter, taught his men to use the bowie knife in one-on-one armed combat. The knife was used to fend off an opponent's attacking blows while a revolver was used in the other hand.

>The big knives were also used to clear tracks through bush, dig defensive positions, cut fire wood and for general use about camp.

>A 1900 inerview with John Toovey, an ex Forest Ranger corporal, appeared in a 1935 issue of The New Zealand Railways Magazine: He had a farm near Te Awamutu. Customarily, out on the farm and in the bush, he wore a sheath-knife on his belt. The knife was a veteran like himself. It had been nine or ten inches long of blade, but the point had been broken off, and he re-ground and pointed it; even then it was like a young bayonet. He told its story, "That's one of old Von's bowie knives," he said. "He had a lot made for us at a blacksmith's in Auckland when the Forest Rangers were divided into two companies and he had command of me.

>"You know, old Von was a terror with the bowie knife. He had learned to use it in Mexico and Central America. Certainly it came in handy in the bush, and as we had no bayonets it was comforting to know you had a good sticker on your hip for a scrimmage.

>"I've had that knife more than thirty years. See how it's worn down. I've used it for all sorts of jobs, hacking bush tracks, pig-sticking, skinning sheep, cutting up my tobacco and my loaf of bread. It'll last my day, my boy!"


fabedf No.514770

File: 164e3809320ba6c⋯.jpg (17.3 KB, 167x422, 167:422, SVVTBb.jpg)

Forgot picture of V T


fabedf No.514771

File: 0f2043e33fde3fe⋯.jpg (35.42 KB, 800x702, 400:351, victorinox original.jpg)

File: ddfc4280042aa2e⋯.jpg (763.33 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, tantos (1).JPG)

File: 51b2b81372eea9a⋯.jpg (196.12 KB, 1600x1067, 1600:1067, gnelson11.JPG)

File: 83f2940a0815a87⋯.jpg (848.94 KB, 1280x914, 640:457, GEC navy knife.jpg)

File: 580706b572a5354⋯.jpg (55.87 KB, 400x266, 200:133, rh06.JPG)


867946 No.514778

>>514769

I'm going to see if I can find the specifications on it and I'm going to have a replica of my own made. I recently visited New Zealand and I loved it so much I wanted to get something to remember my trip forever. But I wanted something I'll use. I'll post whatever the kiwi I commission to makes.


fabedf No.514781

>>514778

Nice. The ones in the picture were made by Svord. Specs on the big one are:

Specifications

Blade Length: 11"

Overall Length: 16-1/2"

Blade Thickness: 5 mm to 7.5 mm (exact specs may vary)

Steel Material: Swedish l-6

Full Tang Construction

Leather Sheath with Vertical-Carry Belt Loop

Weight without Sheath: 27.3 ounces (774 grams)

RC Hardness: 58

Weight with Sheath: 34.6 ounces (982 grams)

Made in New Zealand

Small one:

Specifications

Blade Length: 6-7/8"

Overall Length: 11-1/8"

Blade Thickness: 3.5 mm to 5 mm (exact specs may vary)

Steel Material: Swedish l-6

Full Tang Construction

Leather Sheath with Vertical-Carry Belt Loop

Weight without Sheath: 12.7 ounces (360 grams)

RC Hardness: 58

Weight with Sheath: 17.2 ounces (488 grams)

Made in New Zealand


f125a8 No.514787

>>514771

gosh that 3rd and 5th pic are nice


c38289 No.514829

File: 8c04d86ad305314⋯.jpg (116.25 KB, 401x333, 401:333, 1443837560318.jpg)

>>514771

>5th pic


fabedf No.514849

File: 284690f72a326de⋯.jpg (481.84 KB, 1600x1066, 800:533, tanto01.JPG)

File: eb80d21bcaab264⋯.jpg (449.27 KB, 1600x1066, 800:533, mc01.JPG)

File: a672df640115eeb⋯.jpg (271.27 KB, 1600x1067, 1600:1067, nicb04.JPG)

File: c099d02bd55ea03⋯.jpg (400.68 KB, 1600x1066, 800:533, sean06.JPG)

File: 20a11bd85fb68b1⋯.jpg (290.49 KB, 1600x1067, 1600:1067, mesquite (3).JPG)

>>514787

>>514829

Not to shill, but they are made by James Helm, of Helm Forge. I have admired his work for a while.

https://helmforge.blogspot.com/


fabedf No.514852

File: 97155322f34c678⋯.jpg (151.58 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, IMG_6097.jpg)

File: fd8474543fceb5d⋯.jpg (48.87 KB, 482x240, 241:120, riflemans0306041.jpg)

File: 1fc6ab2e1849b98⋯.jpg (39.2 KB, 679x365, 679:365, topfrenchbgerman.jpg)

File: 9c2d701103653f9⋯.jpg (1.55 MB, 1943x1295, 1943:1295, belt4.JPG)

File: b0c5a450af66933⋯.jpg (168.92 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, IMG_6095.jpg)

More knife porn!


fabedf No.514853

File: 2abd666fa0dc57f⋯.jpg (142.18 KB, 800x488, 100:61, DSCN6845.JPG)

File: b0a6e74e4469d51⋯.jpg (178.99 KB, 640x639, 640:639, DSCN6830-001.JPG)

File: 24e3ed574a5a7e1⋯.jpg (140.6 KB, 640x527, 640:527, DSCN6835.JPG)

File: b10574271971325⋯.jpg (140.27 KB, 400x640, 5:8, DSCN3531.JPG)

File: f2b7cbef542ad5c⋯.jpg (12.75 KB, 480x228, 40:19, DSCN1992-001.JPG)

Some fun ones.


fabedf No.514855

File: c3d4d0758878c82⋯.jpg (236.87 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, aikuchi-tanto-kuro-urushi-….jpg)

File: 7df83baf8b8b9db⋯.jpg (348.24 KB, 1170x783, 130:87, tsukimi-tanto-125.jpg)

File: 77402ffcd5c5a2d⋯.jpg (372.89 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, tools-for-satoyama-forest-….jpg)

File: 234a462166623f4⋯.jpg (421.97 KB, 900x675, 4:3, 31-ichohime-kotanto.jpg)

File: 625e638f67fbdd0⋯.jpg (295.24 KB, 1170x746, 585:373, tsukimi-tanto-121.jpg)

Don't sperg out, they're not katanas.


6a6c3d No.514875

>>514326

To mention though, it can be a good idea to hold the knife blade up, as you have much greater reach and can slash a wrist or an arm tendon if unprotected. Not to mention blade down keeps it from going in the chest but does nothing to keep it out of your belly.


a2c91b No.514889

File: 937e2afc29248bc⋯.jpg (28.47 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 1457571794964.jpg)

How strong do you have to be to stab someone? How much force does it take? Could a child stab an adult successfully?


a0a2ad No.514891

>>514362

Stab someone hard in the lungs, and they don't scream because the air is forced out of them.

Souce: Christopher Lee talked about the time he got stabbed in the lung during WWII in a LotR special feature


f125a8 No.514906

>>514889

don't take my word for it, but yeah probably. most knives, whether intentionally or not, are optimised in their geometry for cutting and piercing through things, and flesh is mostly pretty soft.

a child could stab an adult 'successfully' if the adult wasn't fighting back


f125a8 No.514911

>>514849

shill as much as you like; that's some fine work, particularly the cord wraps


410f90 No.515231

>>514889

Varies by knife. Buy a rack of pig ribs and stick them.


bf2ce7 No.515327

>>514889

Depends on the knife.


625cc1 No.515380

File: de1735e08d02526⋯.jpg (89.34 KB, 800x600, 4:3, spyderco-civilian.jpg)

>>514353

>training

just buy this and slash as hard and fast as you can


e99e3f No.515387

>>515380

>carrying folders

kek, real men carry fixed blades


89a448 No.515412

>>515387

Nah that shit is designed so that a retard can use effectively for defense. note I said defense. Slash the ficki ficki man and run away to safety knowing a jagged metal shard is hopefully still stuck in him and is bleeding everywhere so yeah likely a 300 hundred dollar one time use item


410f90 No.515475

File: b7bd068d7887bcf⋯.jpeg (17.83 KB, 814x436, 407:218, tmp_2-bellevue-pain_5547.….jpeg)

>>515380

>oh my god is that a bread edge?

>it is! its a bread edge!

For when you absolutely positively need to cut the tendons on a loaf of artisan bread.


d08875 No.515482

File: 2667d187cdbebed⋯.jpg (56.31 KB, 780x520, 3:2, mosinnaganttrap.jpg)

If you have a difficult adversary then you need to be precise and brutal in pushing a long knife quickly, and deeply enough into key areas to kill fast. Cuts and slashes take way longer and could leave you open to a counter.


a2c91b No.517137

>>514906

>>515231

>>515327

I got to try it out last night

>see opposum

>shoot it

>stab it with chinese "combat knife"

>each stab goes through completely and out the other side

I'm not /fit/ so it definitely is easy


991ff7 No.517150

>>515482

There isn't any significant difference in the amount of time it takes to slash rather than stab they just aren't as effective at penetrating the tissue to cause as much trauma as possible especially against clothing.


1d2a39 No.517162

>>514353

backhand is for defense against a similarly armed adversary alerted to your presence.

this type of violent altercation is the worst possible scenario to be in as your odds of being wounded are extremely high.

if you have to kill someone using a knife you want to use an overhand grip and a knife with a long fixed blade(full tang is best), try and get your adversary from behind if possible the following techniques are from kill or be killed which i would highly recommend reading, spetznaz manuals are also fantastic concerning unarmed combat:

>one hand over his mouth to stifle his scream and plunge the knife into the lower left or right side of his spine (kidneys), keep stabbing until he is done

>upwards through the solar plexus and yank the blade around underneath his rib-cage to tear his diaphragm (cant breath)

>if you have to cut his throat, stab the neck and tear through, dont bother slicing, the neck is extremely muscular and you are unlikely to strike the carotid or jugular on the first slice, a stab and tear however…

some resources:

philipinos have excellent knife and machete fighting styles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YFYLjGFKis

spetsnaz and cossacks are borderline legendary for knife skills

https://youtu.be/gNhL9TLeGvc

be cautious of unrealistic or esoteric horseshit that people try to sell


867946 No.517196

>>517137

/k/ into science!


73b134 No.517374

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Allow my unqualified and untrained ass to share the summary of the information I picked up from watching and reading an autistic amount of material on knives and their use in fighting.

Knives are extremely simple weapons/tools that have existed for nearly as long as human beings. You could take the most advanced cutting-edge (pun intended) fixed blade knife in the world right now, hand it to a homo sapiens or neanderthal from over 10,000 years ago and they would figure it out how to use it in under a minute. A knife has two basic parts, the handle and the blade. There's all different kinds of shapes and materials for both, both the principle is the same: you hold on to the handle and use the blade to cut/pierce things. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

>"Pointy end goes in the other man"

When using a knife in a fight, follow the above principle: hold on to the handle and use the knife to cut/pierce the other guy. There are various different ways that you can hold on to the handle, and ways you can do the cutting and stabbing. There are people who spend their lives learning and teaching all the nuances of knife wielding and knife fighting. I'm not one of those people, but you don't have to be one of those people in order to use a knife effectively. From what I've read/watched, most people in most cases should just hold it sort of like a hammer; this allows the person to stab and slash in several different ways with maximum control.

When to slash and when to stab? Well, when the shit hits the fan, you just do whatever you can do at the moment. No point in stopping and thinking "ok, is this one of the situations where I'm supposed to slash or stab?". Generally speaking, though (and make sure you read the first line of this post again), you slash when the guy extends a limb towards you (such as when he's attacking you) and you stab when you can reach his torso.

>Reach

What makes knifes dangerous? They're tools, which mean that they help humans do things by optimizing their use of energy. A knife focuses force on a really small surface (edge or point), thus opening lacerations and perforations. Unlike a club, hammer, rock, or fist, a knife doesn't necessarily need to pick up speed before impact to become dangerous. Place the tip of the knife against flesh and push slowly but firmly and it will pierce. That means that a knife can be used from much closer and much more surprisingly. You're in the ground grappling with the guy and suddenly feel a sharp pain and something wet and warm running down your shirt. He just stabbed you, without making noise or any flashy movements. So while defense from a bat teaches you to get close to negate their reach advantage, your best bet when dealing with a knife is to either go beyond their reach (which can be deceptively long, btw) or incapacitate them before they can use it.

>Knife fight

Any sort of confrontation involving a knife will probably look more like a prison yard rush than a knife-on-knife duel. That's because a prison yard rush works. Video related shows how to use a knife and how to handle a guy with a knife. If you have the knife, put the pointy end in the other man. If you don't, don't let the other man put the pointy end in you.


76a127 No.527771

Good cheap knife for killing packing material?


d2a46c No.527797

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ed5930 No.527810

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8119be No.528223

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

A knife requires a set of tactical skills that are lost to most firearms owners. Don't be within arms reach with a knife and expect to have to upper hand if you aren't trained intuitively in melee. There are a lot of blade fighting training films on youtube that different armies have produced that is worth looking at to train distance, leverage, and rythm. I recommend watching the whole reel, but skip to 1:06:30 for knife defense.


64e93e No.528236

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Knife fighting is a meme. It doesn't matter how many tutorials or videos you watch. Doesn't matter how often you train or how badass you think you are. The only way to win in a knife fight is to strike first and keep on striking

Look at >>514324


8119be No.528241

>>528236

>Knife fighting is a meme

Yea thats why you referenced someone who clearly trains in knife defense because he's a clear "meme" whatever you're trying to imply with that word. Hes a big guy, has spent time training his technique and is now instructing people on his method of defense. If you don't think he had any training before giving a class on knife defense then you're being dishonest. The only good advice you've given is to strike first and keep on striking, but you don't provide any explanation on how to keep yourself from being physically overpowered.


64e93e No.528246

>>528241

>He's a big guy

For you


76a127 No.533383

good brands of knife?


68fdcb No.533392

>>533383

Ka-bar, Cold Steel, Esee, Buck, Victrinox, Benchmade, MoraKniv, Ontario. That's about all I can think of but there are plenty more.

If you only want one for sticky-stabby:

http://www.s-staniforth.co.uk/hunting-tactical-and-survival-knives/112-fairbairn-sykes-commando.html#/42-blade_lengths-7_175cm/70-blade_colour-polished_blade


5f8c72 No.533396

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>>514349

>US Navy Seal loses fist fight

>comes back an hour later with knife


f4efce No.533430

>while you were training in your *psh* piddling military, I studied the knife

>now that feminism has destroyed society and all western militaries, you have the GALL to ask me for help?


c033b6 No.533432

>>533396

Seals are retards.


f4efce No.533433

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>533432

jesse ventura was a navy seal.

so yea, you have a point.




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