43fbb0 No.512850
>tfw a weapon developed in the 1940s still is one of the most important weapons
>tfw a bolt action system from two centuries ago is still the most used and widely spread system for bolt action rifles
>tfw a peestool that was developed more than 100 years ago is still in active use around the globe
>tfw machine guns that are WWII models just in a different caliber are employed by multiple nations
>tfw a cartridge that was developed in 1902 is the most widely spread pistol caliber
>tfw WWI model .50cals are still in use
>tfw a single guy held/holds more than 100 firearm patents
>tfw weapons captured and stored in the last century turn up in modern battlefields from time to time and are used effectively in some cases
Feels fucking good, fam.
3c29d8 No.512852
Feels more like technological stasis, fam. Don't you look forward to direct-energy weapons?
cefb2f No.512853
>>512852
Maybe you could beam down some schematics for us to use, Mr Ayylien.
37e9d3 No.512859
>>512852
To date, mass driver is the best weapon. A flying hunk of matter alone can do grievous damage, and if it isn't enough you could pack more weapons inside of it. There is no such armor exist that can counter a mass driver efficiently, it always involves bullshit amounts of raw material which is extremely heavy and has to be harshly limited in practice.
cefb2f No.512860
>>512859
Technically, couldn't a ludicrously strong magnetic field do the job?
0bdc2e No.512863
>>512850
>>tfw a bolt action system from two centuries ago is still the most used and widely spread system for bolt action rifles
What exactly IS the Mauser action? The only things that made it unique(claw extractor, striker-mounted safety, vent holes) aren't even used much anymore.
9d2d8c No.512868
>>512850
Someone once had a good comparison: cars are a secondary product, it's really all about the fuel, as the cars are built around the engine. It's true about guns too, they exists to fire boolits. So what you've described is the result of constantly abandoning radically new cartridge designs in favour of keeping the same tried and tired technology. This is why I hope CTSAS will be successful: it will force people to come up with radically new actions, and that's a great chance to completely rething firearm designs too.
43fbb0 No.512874
>>512868
For fucks sake Hungary, you are almost as obnocsious with your CTSAS as spergook is with underbarrel shotguns. Zip it already.
021082 No.512875
>>512860
Possibly, it would have to be much stronger and focused than the launcher but only certain materials like iron nickel or rare Earth are magnetic. That's my assumption anyways.
4cce58 No.512876
>>512875
please dont make retarded assumptions then
84961d No.512877
>>512874
>underbarrel CSTAS based weapons systems with integral suppressor
37e9d3 No.512878
>>512860
No? You just make the projectile non-magnetic.
ed1746 No.512879
Daily reminder that this is the most successful and widely used weapon to ever exist, and has been in use since before recorded history began.
4cce58 No.512883
>>512879
hell, it is used to this day in the form of bayonet
43fbb0 No.512896
>>512879
Daily reminder that brits are liars. STICKS AND STONES!
>>512883
stones are used today too, the method of propulsion changed from biological, to gravi-mechanical to chemical, as well as the material. We used normal rock for ages, but it turns out there are some rocks that can be heated and shaped to a certain form, that is far more aerodynamic.
Is a bullet more similar to a sticks or to a rock?>>512883
0bdc2e No.512898
>>512896
>Is a bullet more similar to a sticks or to a rock?
A gun was made for long reach, as was the spear.
4527d6 No.512900
>>512863
Controlled feeding, very solid and consistent lock up. One of the strongest actions out there aside from an Arisaka.
0bdc2e No.512904
>>512900
>Controlled feeding
Which isn't typically used anymore, as the claw extractor doesn't typically end up on rifles today.
>very solid and consistent lock up
That's incredibly vague and can be attributed to many other bolt actions.
>One of the strongest actions out there aside from an Arisaka
For the time? Sure, it could have been.
Today? Debatable to the point where the reloading community is up its own ass because someone loaded pistol powder into their sporterized .300 WinMag pre-98 Spanish Mauser.
Regardless, it's impossible to blow up a bolt action as long as it's headspaced correctly and isn't overloaded - and even then, modern rifles will deflect it out the magazine well or just bulge the barrel. It's not a bragging point anymore.
b59f8a No.512936
>>512860
The amount of energy you'd need to put into a magnetic field for it to be a weapon by itself is insane when you consider that 10% of that energy, applied to a solid projectile, does more damage, more reliably, at a longer range, as well as being simpler, cheaper, lighter, and easier to use.
>tl;dr - projectiles are best, DEW a shit, even in the sci-fi-space-future we'll be using developments on modern projectile weapons rather than pew pew laser guns.
1b418a No.512938
> implying the most effective weapon is not the vagina, which has been around since forever.
smhtbhfam
31ed84 No.512939
>>512896
>rocks
We don't use rocks. Silicates are shit projectiles.
9dbb0b No.512952
>>512939
>not using ultramafic materials like peridotite
ca4720 No.512961
>>512868
I'm glad you and your ilk have lost
and quit spamming that stupid fucking caseless meme
t. 7.62x51 shill
050e03 No.512977
>>512859
>requires ridiculous amounts of electricity
>barrel constantly wanting to explode
Call me when we have casaba howitzers, X-ray bomb pumped lasers, or relativistic weapons.
>>512868
>caseless
How are you going to get around overheating?
4527d6 No.513028
>>512859
Almost sounds like the LOSAT program, just a rocket attacked to a piece of metal.
a00af3 No.513030
>>512852
Hand portable fusion reactors are impossible and chemical batteries suck ass.
b59f8a No.513085
>>512961
7.62x51 is a meme round, and you should feel bad for liking it.
f570b4 No.513095
>>512874
>zipping our best chance to increase the firepower of the rifleman
You should feel terribly ashamed for that comment.
>>512961
>>512977
>cased telescopic
>caseless
I should really make a mental note more often that the vast majority of "people" have a two-digit IQ.
37e9d3 No.513126
>>513028
>>512977
Mass driver is anything that launches a projectile you dummy. A gun is a chemical propulsion mass driver. A crossbow is spring propulsion mass driver. And yes there are electric propulsion mass drivers too.
1393b6 No.513294
>Made weapons used by ZoG even to this day
>Degen morman with several wives
>His automatic rifle weighed more then was necessary
>Good
ok shlomo
22eaac No.513302
>>513294
>He hasn't had the pleasure of firing a BAR let alone any of Browning's glorious designs.
c18037 No.513310
>>513294
>fucking leaf /leftypol/ tries it: false-flagging as /pol/
a841e2 No.513314
>>513294
>ZoG
Feds aren't allowed to post here.
9786b1 No.513315
>>513314
Wish our BO still existed, would be nice to see "BATFE pls go" as rule #1
22eaac No.513316
>>513315
I think 7) No whiny faggots allowed covers the ATF.
3f06e0 No.513407
>>513095
would front ignition be feasible? That way powder near the front of the cartridge doesn't get wasted.
43527c No.513409
>>513407
>ignite powder that would have gone wasted
>get bigger fireball out the muzzle
Burger yuo are of bigger ally
bb48ca No.513413
>>513407
>gunpowder gets ignited at the back
>it start turning into gas
>the gas pushes out the projectile to the barrel
>gunpowder is still burning, the "extra" powder too turns into gas that then goes to the barrel
>projectile is still in the barrel as the "extra" gunpowder turns into gas
>that gas too pushes the projectile
Remember, gunpowder works with the pressure of the gas, it's not an explosive that pushes out the bullet with an impulse.
Although, the Steyr ACR had a ring on the body of the cartridge, kind of like a rimfire cartridge. But that's because they used a fixed firing pin with a moving chamber. As you can see it's a lot simpler action than what Ares had to use in their CTA gun.
6eaffc No.513415
>>513302
>>513310
>>513314
OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN. Rabbis are trying extra hard today.
bc492b No.513759
>>513409
muzzle flash is wasted powder
bc492b No.513761
f2222d No.513804
>>512850
well m8, human flesh hasn't really changed in the past 100 years those weapons still do the trick as well as they ever did
>>512859
>>513126
yup. those pesky laws of physics.. just can't seem to prevention them at all
657fda No.513805
>>513415
not even remotely convincing tbqh
8fe8e1 No.513822
>>513407
You just need a barrel long enough to effectively burn the gas. Barrel pressure drops off exponentially with a longer barrel as well. These little SBR's with cans on them produce a much higher pressure when the round exits the barrel than do longer barrels. The gas wants to get out, so it tries to go in every direction to expand to fill it's container. The longer it remains channeled through a barrel, the faster the bullet will be propelled. This is why longer barrels generate higher velocities.
Honestly, I still don't understand why anyone would fucking suppress a 5.56 shooting rifle. For one, it lacks the payload to go slow, for another, it's extremely hard on the suppressor because it's such a high pressure round and most people don't want a 20" AR with a 8" can so they jam a can on these little 10.5" barrels and get the worst of both worlds. Higher pressure and lower velocity. But hey, at least your earshatteringly loud as fuck rifle is only loud as fuck after you chop the barrel in half and throw a can on it.
8fe8e1 No.513823
>>513822
>Burn the gas
Fuck me. I meant burn the powder.
187c27 No.513866
>>513095
fugg :DDD, in that case, what are the downsides of cased telescopic?
I asked politely, no bully
daf93e No.513869
>>513095
I'm starting to hate Hungary, please shut up.
07da48 No.513892
>>513822
Doesn't really matter. Even if the barrel wasn't long you'd still get higher velocity due to less wasted powder. In fact you could get away with a shorter barrel. Longer barrels are actually needed for rear ignition cartridges since because it allows the powder near the base of the projectile to be burnt instead of being pushed out of the muzzle and ignited.
231016 No.513910
>>512850
>>tfw a bolt action system from two centuries ago is still the most used and widely spread system for bolt action rifles
Not really, most new bolt actions are push feed
0bb142 No.513915
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>>513866
Well, I'm terribly sorry, but it's rather tiresome to explain what could be one of the most important development programs of these times. Read these first:
https://archive.fo/7zfrg
https://archive.is/fy2Rk
https://archive.fo/h4v81
As far as I know it has virtually no drawbacks once fielded, although the projectiles are shorter but thicker, therefore a magazine holds less of them for the same length. E.g. the Steyr ACR had a calibre of 5.56mm, but it's magazine only held 24 rounds. Still, you could use constant force springs to increase the number of bullets (vid related). But you need new weapons that use completely different actions compared to modern guns, and it uses polymer cases, therefore you need different ammunition manufactoring processes too.
830bcb No.514183
>>513095
<the vast majority of "people" have a two-digit IQ.
<and it's definitely everyone else and totally not me!
c4e6a6 No.521821
>>512850
Don't really need to develop beyond nuclear weapons / thread
27fec1 No.521825
>>513407
I don't see why that would be preferable, you want combustion down the length of the bore, not delayed in the chamber.
the Steyr ACR had side ignition, but they also put it near the rear by intent.
this would cause worse efficiency and more chamber heat.
27fec1 No.521826
>>514183
>better cycle IP so i can fire back without getting flak about being illiterate
casless. cased telescoping. Hungary is an autist, better that than a drooling retard shitting up threads for attention.
802a06 No.521896
>>512850
The biggest paradigm and technological breakthrough we had regarding the mechanics of guns was pic related and it was still utter irredeemable garbage.
We don't need Laser/Plasma shooters, if the Energy/Electric path is indeed the future, we just need Guns that spill thunder, like a wireless taser.
But that would be quite impossible for accuracy and would probably only work in a tank, as a "cleaning" device in AoE.
b19ee3 No.521968
Wouldn't energy (radiation) weapons actually be a better choice if you were fighting at a very large distance and in space (no atmosphere) like in that Chinese cartoon?
9df1fb No.521976
>>521968
No, because you wouldn't be able to focus it. Tight beam doesn't stays tight after it travels millions of kilometers. At the same time, you can well predict the path of objects in space, and hurling dumbells at it with great precision isn't difficult for attacker while extremely burdensome to avoid for defender.
ad51eb No.521981
>>512938
Did a grill break your heart Ireland?
6d1b97 No.521983
>>521981
>Ireland
>Not Mexico
Fucking leafs, you deserve what you have.
ad51eb No.522013
>>521983
He's from the Ivory Coast you burgernigger
190405 No.522017
>>521968
>Radiation weapons in space
Space contains more devastating radiation than anything known to man, any spacecraft would have to be insulated from such extensive radiation that you would be better mounting a battery of toilets in a broadside and flush your turds at the enemy in a synchronised flush than using radiation weapons.
f2ad41 No.522018
>>521821
What are you going to do when the Qu come to get you?
a9b910 No.522019
>>522017
>revealing the secret plans for the Indian Space Fleet's superweapon
You know they'll send their most skilled ass-assins to shit fury on you now, right?
ad51eb No.522021
>>522019
>shit fury on you
190405 No.522022
>>522019
I will hide in the only place they cannot enter the loo
dbce30 No.522028
>>522018
>we can stop a race that fights with nanotechnology on a planetary scale with nukes
Sure thing.
fac8f6 No.522058
>>513822
To be fair, over-the-barrel suppression cans exist, so you can have a 16" AR with a 4" or less OTB system. Also, it doesn't really matter if the shot is reduced by "only" 30db, that means that your rifle is still reduced to the point where shooting is dead fucking comfy with a pair of howard leights.
I never got why they were banned here, fuck this cuntry
f2ad41 No.522060
>>522028
b-but's that's what I was saying
c89963 No.522064
>>513095
Can you reload cased telescopic ammo?
75d402 No.522067
>>512850
>a bolt action system from two centuries ago
>tfw 1998 was 100 years ago
ad51eb No.522078
>>522067
I assume he meant that it is current year ly the 21st century and it was made in the 19th century but still it's retarded to say 200 years to mean ~120
4968b7 No.522114
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>>522067
hold on, the cybernetic memories implanted in my mind want me to do something.
b50713 No.525353
>>522067
>21st century=current
>20th century=last
>19th century=the century before the last one=two centuries ago
Spoiler was where I got it wrong. Sorry, US-trelok.
332e01 No.525355
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>>512852
I look forward to seeing what type of targets you'll need to shoot at them
title is kind of misleading, it's more of a rail gun that generates plasma.
0b5d10 No.525357
>>512852
Call me when electron beam guns are a thing, lasers are a joke.
>>513822
Quality post.
332e01 No.525362
>>525357
>Call me when electron beam guns are a thing
I guess what we've been using in TVs for the past few decades (close to a century) doesn't count?
0b5d10 No.525365
>>525362
>requires a vacuum
No, not it doesn't.