/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

>>26391

Not much I can do about that.

>I believe it would benefit the muslims in Ethiopia for the Tigrayans to be deposed.

Tigrayans are a small minority, and mostly Orthodox Christian. Most of ethiopia is Christian at the moment. If the Tigrayans were deposed who would take over the balance of power? Think about it.

Ethiopian Central Statistical Agency (2007 census), the national religious composition is Orthodox 43.5%, Protestant 18.6%, Catholic 0.7%, Muslim 33.9%, traditional 2.6%, and others 0.6%.

In what way are the Tigrayans abusing the other tribes? I've read about Ethiopian history and they've impressed me as a competent and decent people, which is to say I don't think something comparable to the Rwandan genocide would happen there unless brought about by evil external forces. I know it can be hard to deal patiently with unjust rulers abusing their power, but sometimes its for the best… a good example is Gaddafi in Libya. For 10s of years Libya had a GDP similar to that of the EU and at times higher than even that of the US. He wasn't perfect or a very good Muslim, and a few parts of Eastern Libya might have been mistreated, but was that worth a war that resulted in the Libyan GDP going down to be similar to that of Congo or Cameroon, tens of thousands of people dying, and a third of the country being forced to leave their home country? Think about it.

>>26400

The Omoro are majority Muslim with Ortho minority. The Amhara are majority Ortho with Muslim minority. Powersharing between those two tribes would be better for the muslims than the clannish exclusionist tigrayan cabal.

Concern troll is concerned.

>>26408

>In what way are the Tigrayans abusing the other tribes?

Creating a police state, invading other countries, consolidating power in their own tribal hands, etc.

>I've read about Ethiopian history and they've impressed me as a competent and decent people, which is to say I don't think something comparable to the Rwandan genocide would happen there unless brought about by evil external forces. I know it can be hard to deal patiently with unjust rulers abusing their power, but sometimes its for the best… a good example is Gaddafi in Libya. For 10s of years Libya had a GDP similar to that of the EU and at times higher than even that of the US. He wasn't perfect or a very good Muslim, and a few parts of Eastern Libya might have been mistreated, but was that worth a war that resulted in the Libyan GDP going down to be similar to that of Congo or Cameroon, tens of thousands of people dying, and a third of the country being forced to leave their home country? Think about it.

Yes, the war in Libya was worth it. Gaddafi had created his own kind of religion without hadith and because of that he was an apostate ruler. When a muslim ruler apostates he must be killed.

>>26412

Alright then, consider Sudan. Hassan al-Turabi was the main influence on their president, Omar al-Bashir, to apply sharia law there and allowed Sudan to be stable and strong. Because they were from the few countries that supported Saddam when Iraq was being invaded, they got sanctions put on them and the couple communities in the south that felt "mistreated" by the Arab government were given weapons to rebel. Literally millions of people died and the country was divided in two. Its easy for you to say its justified when you're not a citizen of those countries.

>>26413

What are you trying to say? I don’t support the division of Sudan or the fake Darfur crisis. In fact I have been questioned by one law officer in my country because I made “janjaweed propaganda” on my old facebook page. Omar al-Bashir never tried to change Islam, he deserves the support of the muslims since we support our rulers as long as they don’t apostatize, don’t force people to commit sins, and they establish salah.

>>26414

If the Libyan civil war was started to bring down Gaddafi for apostatizing, why wasn't he brought down in the 1970s? Officially, the civil war started for alleged "abuses of power over his people", same for Saddam, same for al-Bashir, and while there's evidence that all of their governments did abuse power slightly thats no excuse for starting wars that destroy the lives of the people of their countries. I'm just pointing out that its not wise to immediately go along with every "muh evil dictator lets revolt" statement, not without more consideration at least.

Also, being questioned for posting stuff on social media is a major reason for why I visit this degenerate website. (((Social media))) has just turned into a way for corrupt rulers to control and oppress their people better.

>>26415

>If the Libyan civil war was started to bring down Gaddafi for apostatizing, why wasn't he brought down in the 1970s? Officially, the civil war started for alleged "abuses of power over his people", same for Saddam

Of course apostasy was not the stated rationale for why the war was supported by the likes of the entire world. They don’t think and speak in an Islamic way. But it is why the war was actually just and it is why Ben Ali and Mubarak are still alive and Gaddafi was killed. And in the 70’s Gaddafi was too strong and there was no opportunity to be rid of him.

>>26417

Was Qadaffi a Muslim Ruler?

>>26417

I agree with the sheikh (its great how they have someone translating in sign language for the deaf btw), Gaddafi was an apostate and the Libyan people knew he was an apostate. And you're also (I think) right about that being why Gaddafi was killed and Mubarak wasn't, although I don't think it applies for Ben Ali since he left to KSA before they could arrest him. But even assuming the point of the war was to bring him down for apostatizing, the fact stands that the reason they gave was "abusing his power to commit tyranny", where in reality that would in no way justify starting a civil war that literally destroyed their entire country. I'm just saying that rebelling, especially in todays middle east sadly, over alleged human right abuses has shown itself to do more bad than good.

>>26419

I agree with you. Overall yes, the rebellions were wrong and look at Tunisia today, it is even more degenerate and anti-Islam than under Ben Ali. But I make exception for Syria and Libya where two kaffir tyrants were bombing muslim protestors - eventhough technically protesting is not from the sunnah.

>>26420

tbh I feel repulsed by the idea of fighting and war when there could be peace instead… i think interacting with westerners for so long has made me a soyboy in that regard (although I do understand the importance of fighting against evil). I just pray that Allah helps the muslims of the world sooner rather than later.

>>26421

Preferring peace to war doesn't make you a "soyboy".

For them who have done good is the best [reward] and extra. No darkness will cover their faces, nor humiliation. Those are companions of Paradise; they will abide therein eternally Quran 10:26

>>26417

>Ben Ali and Mubarak are still alive and Gaddafi was killed

Are you implying gaddafi was an apostate but not ben ali and mubarak?

>>26421

You’re not a soyboy if you are against fighting the muslim ruler. But if the ruler is a kaffir dhalim (Ethiopia, Syria, pre-Haftar Lybia) then the rulers can be challenged when the muslims are strong enough to take their dignity back. At least the majoos are bleeding in Syria and Yemen. If they weren’t confronted there then they would be killing Sunnis in the Hijaz.

>>26423

Yes, I am. There is a distinction between rulers that are muslim dhalimeen and kafir dhalimeen. And that distinction is for the ulema to make. The difference is that the muslim dhalim oppresses the people with manmade laws but the kafir dhalim oppresses and says his oppression is from Islam or superior to Islam.

>>26425

>it's only kufr if my saudi masters tell me it is

"They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah…" 9:31

Really pathetic and sad, in fact all arab rulers today are apostates and clients of the west. That is because they support the killing of muslims and have taken america as guarantors.

>>26439

Your tafsir is more broke than you, dog of Hell. You want to know what is pathetic and sad? I asked you the other day who your living scholars are and you couldn’t answer me. Khawarij and Rafida are both deviant and evil sects. I’m warning you not to spread your terror porn fake Islam here anymore.

>>26439

It's true that arab politics are pretty fugged up but its kind of excessive to just denounce every politician in the middle east as an apostate. Also, its detrimental or at best pointless. Doing what we can to push our governments to improve and make moves in the right direction

>>26445

… is a lot more productive in the long run.

>>26445

Re: “But today’s rulers are not Caliphs!!!!!1”

https://www.spreaker.com/user/radio1mm/re-todays-rulers-are-not-khaleefahs

>>26439

>(KHARIJI WAS 2 DAY BANNED FOR THIS POST)

why is insulting certain political rulers a bannable offense? But insulting other political rulers is not bannable but actually welcome.

Explain this logic. It seems irreligious, not islam related, and simply partisan.

>>26452

You can insult any ruler you want as long as they are not muslim. Muslim rulers are our brothers that Allah swt put in authority over us, our families, and our properties. The intellect tells us that is best for them is best for us and the Quran and Sunnah provide clear guidelines with how to deal with all rulers, even the unjust.

Kharijism starts out because the muslim is emotionally traumatized over the “poor dying muslims” by lacking trust in Allah and His decree and ends with the khariji declaring the blood of the muslims he used to care so much about….to be halal.

Im not letting this place become a khariji swamp where the foolish people think the way to attain stability and strength for the muslims is to protest, undermine, and kill those Allah put in authority over us - in total violation of Sunnah and Aql.

>>26454

Oh that makes sense, thanks.

>>26452

He just takfirs me for posting the truth, he hates it. He has too much to lose by admitting they are apostates. It's literally following the words of saudi palace scholars, wherever they turn he follows. Like a good lapdog. That's a bad mentality to have, especially considering the sauds are allied with all the enemies of islam and don't do anything productive against the rafida except bomb random civilians in yemen. Lol, just an average madkhali saudiboo I guess, they will get their turn soon inshaAllah : )

>>26463

You say Madkhali but you mean Fawzani, scholarless dog.

>>26452

They're incapable of adding anything of substance to any discussion ever. Just see this specimen trying to communicate >>26463

Literally just three buzzwords repeated over and over again. That's every single post one would see if they were allowed here. This is also why you can't tell if they're kafir trolls roleplaying or "genuine" idiots, the effort is always at such a low level that the troll attempts don't stand out.

>>26464

>>26465

Let the dogs bark…It will not save them

https://twitter.com/RevivingTheHaqq/status/963604603639074816

>>26468

>>26468

>m-murjia salafis are 12 year olds!

*teens join isis because they liked nasheeds and want to rebel against their parents' bedtime rules*

>m-muh walaa and baraa!

*supports rafidha campaign to massacre sunnis*

>o-other muslims need to act and not just talk!

*makes youtube vids in america*

>w-we are reviving the HAQQ

*makes edgy tweets on twitter after finishing his homework*

>>26471

>SAYF-UD-DEEN!!!11!!!1

*canadian bozo who's been muslim for three months after leaving his "jahiliyya"*

>m-muh 73 sects

questionable authenticity

>murjia are christians!

Yeah, no. The murjia were the reaction to the khawarij like you who stole the christian concept of venial and mortal sins and made it the basis of your religion.

>ahlussunnah wal-jamaa'ah

are in clear opposition to khariji morons. They literally codified creed specifically to refute your ideology.

>we love muslims

*makes takfir of 99.9% of muslims and pray for chaos in all muslim lands*

Khawarij who define righteous scholar as someone who's been imprisoned by the "taghut" Saudis for speaking the "haqq!11!!" adore and love shaykh nimr al nimr who wasn't just imprisoned but rather executed by the evil "taghut".

>>26477

The “scholars” imprisoned in Saudi are those that want to bring democracy and shiaism. But khawarij are so stupid and ignorant they think anyone jailed by a ruler is the next ibn Taymiyyah.

>>26476

So you guys have any proof im actually khariji or just gonna keep spouting this buzzword. Be careful of takfiring me without evidence or it bounced back upon you. Also, I am not braking any of the rules, just having conversation, so you cannot ban me.

>>26478

No sunni supports kalb al kalb who wanted wilayat al faqih, nor do they support the rawafid al houth. But we oppose the arresting of scholars who speak against the ale salul (katalahum Allah)

>>26479

>Be careful of takfiring me

I thought we were murjia? Now we're "takfiris"? Please keep better track of your buzzwords.

>So you guys have any proof im actually khariji

Your reasoning is identical to the ideology condemned as khariji by the codifiers of sunni creed. If you have a different definition then be my guest, but you sure as hell won't be sunni any more.

>No sunni supports kalb al kalb who wanted wilayat al faqih, nor do they support the rawafid al houth.

Exactly, no sunni does. Only khawarij who fight for the same cause of the rafidha support him(ie the destruction of one of the few remaining sunni rulerships). That you are munafiqs who cloak yourself as sunnis doesn't remove from that fact.

>But we oppose the arresting of scholars who speak against the ale salul (katalahum Allah)

Like nimr al nimr, a scholar, was doing. As said, you are brothers fighting for the same cause. So much for your "walaa and baraa".

>>26481

>If you have a different definition then be my guest, but you sure as hell won't be sunni any more.

>if you don't obey al salul you arent sunni

lol

and for the record I do baraa on rafida and murjia equally, dont assume things about me without evidence, o takfiri extremist

>>26482

>LOLOL AL SALUUUUL XDDDDDDDDDDDD BAQIYYYAAAA GHURABAAA

And you wonder why you get banned.

>I do baraa on rafida and murjia[translation: the only ones who fight the rafidha] equally

uh right.

Are you using the sunni definition of murjia or what? Because the same sunni codifiers of creed also described your ideology as khariji. You can't say you agree only with their definition of murjia but not khariiji(although with that said you misunderstand what irjaa means anyway).

>>26479

No one is takfiring you, the stronger opinion of the scholars is that you khawarij are muslims - just not sunnis.

>>26483

Murjia are those who say actions have no ties to iman. I’m not sure why khawarij call sunnis this. We recognize that if a muslim leader forces people to sin or stops prayer he is a kafir.

>>26479

Dude you are hardcore khariji. Your hatred for the rafida is justified but you have to stop being a chimp that thinks our rulers are secretly helping to spread shiism. Even the dhalim sunni rulers wouldnt do that because it’s insane.

If you just want to fight rafida youre not a khariji. It’s the sick idea of wanting to destroy sunni countries on lame pretext that makes khawarij useful idiots of the rafida. Seriously you seem to hate Sauds just as much as Rafida. You’re wrong to assume the worst about our muslim rulers and you should make dua for them or privately advise them. What is stronger a dua to guide the ruler or a bomb?

>>26483

You're behaving like a fool.

>>26486

I'm not assuming, the facts are clear for anyone to see. Just recently they invited trump the killer of muslim babies and danced for him like dayooth homosexuals. They are only clients of the petrodollar system, in exchange for their firepower.

Can the ruler be rectified with du'a? I don't rule out this possibility, but as long as they are in kufr, it is allowed to disobey them. They have broken their covenant with Allah s.w.t and the muslims. And because of that, when al salul eventually collapse due to their tribal tensions and ruined economy, rebellion against then will be encouraged. What I'm saying isn't anything new, by your logic Hussein r.a was a khariji? Astarghfirullah

>>26487

So basically, Saudi Arabia are kuffar because they're not retarded enough to try to fight the entire western world today and instead engage in politics. That's the problem with you khawarij who claim to "love" muslims. What you really want is for the entire muslim world to be in ruins.

Meanwhile you people all live in the west and obey the law. You should make takfir of yourselves before thinking about what the Saudi king is doing.

This khariji just went full rafidi.

>>26487

>What I'm saying isn't anything new, by your logic Hussein r.a was a khariji?

Hussayn ra made a major error against the wisdom of his father and his older brother. It was also against the direct advice of Abdullah ibn Omar and Abdullah ibn Abbas, two senior sahabis.

You have shown that you are nothing more than an idiot who is now parroting slogans of the rafida. You want a mahsoom leader, you want to chant “muh-hussayn”, you hate the sunni leaders. You are maybe a self-hating rafidi.