/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

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>>26216

>Is he ever coming back? :(

no.

oh yeah i remember that guy. i think he was the one i debated with against transsexuality, i would show him authentic hadiths against men imitating women then he would do mental gymnastics and reject them

>>26220

What about women imitating men?

I have a friend at work who has a trans boyfriend (and, for the record, I respect trans people's pronouns). You should be more respectful and understanding I think? :/

>>26223

I will never be respectful to someone who comes to Islam and then tries to make LGBT, degenerate and modernist ideas infiltrate into my religion so that it dies just like Christianity, and tries to mold religion around his life instead of molding his life around religion.

As to women who imitate men, this is not allowed neither in Islam. I don't know why you ask me that.

>>26216

I remember Undyne. Very controversial. I enjoyed our discussions.

>coming back?

Sure, why not? Everyone is welcome here.

Ive modded here for a couple years and do not remember this person. If they were active here I wouldnt be.

>>26228

>You guys keep backing the left in the West, see how long you can say that aloud.

Yawn. Muslims in the west were largely rightwingers until 15 years ago when dimestore anti-Islam rhetoric was embraced by evangelical conservatives. And I support Trump, so do other muslims I know. But given the current political climate I understand how difficult it is for muslims to see the good in Trump.

haram thread,

>tranny☻

>undertale☻

>LARP☻

>emoji☻

Enjoy eating puss for all eternity in hell, atheist!

>>26231

>No we don't. Only a small retarded minority

Thats enough. since you're weak and subject to external entities those will be the groups elevated to power and prominence in your societies. As the denationalized integrationist block of EU creeps over the sea (it's okay, guys, we have Muslims now too so its not imperialism or anything! Please have referendums till you come up with a "Yes" :^)) it will impose its formal norms upon you as well as through social engineering manipulate you replicating the changes it spoors in the diasporas, who are already beholden to the progressivist narrative. Just as it was envisioned more than 100 years ago. Ephemeric control ends, hard centralization towards a global state begins.

>It is, in the West.

West will be flooded back with Christians, among others. Ultimately now West will remain, as with most distinctions.

>Just wait. Just wait once we will have an Islamic caliphate once again, everything will be Islamized and subhuman degenerates like you will be put on the cross.

Said the 72 virgin & rivers of wine chaser. Or maybe you're the "young pearly boys" sort? No, better spare me the details.

>>26230

>Yawn. Muslims in the west were largely rightwingers

You're delusional if you think whatever pattern you observed in your lil' community extends across the rest of the West.

Also funny how a bit of animosity validates complete departure from morality. Sectarian Muslims chase each other in the ME with scimitars, Benny Hill soundtrack in the background, yet a stink eye from Bob or Bill at Walmart is supposedly enough to have you fully capitulate to fudge packer central? I'm in awe at the magnitude of your conviction.

>>26234

>I guess that’s code for South America and subsaharan Africa, two regions Spengler dismissed as geopolitically inconsequential.

Demographically Africa will eventually rival Asia thanks to all the gibs-sponsored ☻ing. Meaning the internal markets coupled with weak potential for separatism and a huge raw resource base will provide its EU/Chinese owner with tremendous amounts of soft power and wealth. Geopolitically they will become a subsystem of either of the formerly mentioned blocks. S. America will naturally go to NAU, subsequently becoming AU.

>Spengler

A compromised fool, who thought racial/cultural characteristics are mostly a function of the soil from which one's diet is derived from. Besides introducing a couple new concepts he's about as relevant as Freud is to psychology.

>Your post reminds me of Ross Douthat who claims christian subsaharan Africans will save Europe.

Then that just showcases what a doofus you are, doesn't it? I'm talking about doom, not salvation. Keep pumping the left, you'll get whats coming to you.

>>26235

*no West

>>26235

>You're delusional if you think whatever pattern you observed in your lil' community extends across the rest of the West.

Substantial groups of Muslims supported Hitler, Franco, even Jean Marie Le Pen. Now what passes for the rightwing is just as gay and retarded as the left if not more so. Muslims that could respect Jean Marie and Franco laugh at trash like Marine who wanted to unite faggots and feminists against Muslims. Muslims are not exactly averse to having Strongman type leaders, rather it’s seen as a positive by most Muslims. The problems only arise if said strongman adopts a stance against our greater beliefs and interests.

>Also funny how a bit of animosity validates complete departure from morality. Sectarian Muslims chase each other in the ME with scimitars, Benny Hill soundtrack in the background, yet a stink eye from Bob or Bill at Walmart is supposedly enough to have you fully capitulate to fudge packer central? I'm in awe at the magnitude of your conviction.

You never understood Islamic morality or conviction if you think it’s our job to stop Bob and Bill from getting married. If your father has a sex-change you will find a way to blame the muslims. Even in an Islamic polity non-muslims are subject to a different legal code in their own communities. Ya3ni, you are kuffar, I don’t care if you go to Hell with or without your genitalia. Chop it off.

>>26232

Everyone is welcome here.

>>26233

>haram thread

Actions can be haram. Discussion is fine.

>>26228

>And don't think Christianity is "dying". Its only going to become more prominent as it consolidates in the Global South in its sovietized form and spreads over parts of the Far East.

hahahahaha. You think Christianity will spread in the "Far East"? Reality check: the asians are mostly agnostics and never really developed an Abrahamic sense of religion until it was introduced to them. Why would these people in a developing, consumerist culture embrace christianity of all things? People will become disillusioned with modernity and embrace ISLAM, not christianity. Not only that, but most christians are pagans who worship sports stars more than they worship GOD. Many are going to hell for idolatry. Are there 'good' christians? Of course some, but only 30% regularly attend church (http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/how-many-christians-attend-church.aspx), reads their bible (although heavily modified for consumerist america), etc…

>lel You guys keep backing the left in the West, see how long you can say that aloud.

Literally who cares about american leftists? only their own mothers.

>>26242

Christianity does spread somewhat in China because Churches let the people eat dogs and pigs. Churches in China offer free dog feasts to gather large crowds. Anyone that doubts that should google it. Many western missionaries cry and lose control of bodily functions when the dogs are drowned and clubbed behind the church.

Christians never learned how to eat or slaughter so is it any surprise they forgot even how to get married?

And the African custom of removing the clitoral hood of a girl is ‘evil mutilation’ but turning a penis into a vagina or turning a vagina into a penis for children is “woke.”

That is the current western judeochristian morality.

>>26237

>Substantial groups of Muslims supported Hitler

That is rich. That's about as relevant as talking about supporting Henry the VI. Now, Mehmed, the current paradigm. In all of Europe Muslim immigrants summarily back the left and did so since they came in.

>Muslims are not exactly averse to having Strongman type leaders

thats about the level of your political sophistication, but thats still irrelevant. From of government doesn't mean ☻.

>You never understood Islamic morality or conviction if you think it’s our job to stop Bob and Bill from getting married.

Its your job to enable them, apparently.

> If your father has a sex-change you will find a way to blame the muslims.

I don't have to "find a way" for anything. I can see the voting patterns. You are responsible for your vote.

> Even in an Islamic polity non-muslims are subject to a different legal code in their own communities.

Yes, you have a primitive legal tradition passed down from tribal custom completely incompatible with the democratic process that you still take part in out of profit motive. I'm sure commies will respect that in the long run.

>Ya3ni, you are kuffar,

Namefag psychosis kicking in, I see.

>I don’t care if you go to Hell with or without your genitalia. Chop it off.

Right now several Muslim countries are angling themselves for accomodating trannies. Its your exmod, not me, who's likely to chop something off. You better expect to get saturated with such characters in the future, fag enabler.

>>26242

>hahahahaha. You think Christianity will spread in the "Far East"?

It spreads at about the fastest rate it ever spread historically. Faster than in Rome.

>Why would these people in a developing, consumerist culture embrace christianity of all things?

Because its not as crude as your simple conformity cult. They sell them Jesus and all the personalism crap, it fills the void Maoists made. Your carnal heaven doesn't cut it precisely because you already deal with consumerists.

Its funny how you all are so locked in your little competition that you still imagine you're talking to a Christian btw.

>American Christians

Yeah, and? Its a 3rd World religion now. You can masturbate with those numbers all you like, they don't reflect the global trend.

>Literally who cares about american leftists? only their own mothers.

Yet you care a bout American Christians?

But I'll answer you seriously: you help turn the global centers of power like US red, then the red comes for you and there is no potential in the Muslim world to stop it. Do you see how America enforces global conformity among polities? You'll be getting a lot more of that.

>>26247

>>26246

PS Pay attention to the Neom project, only 700 km from Mecca, and the social engineering that will take place as the project develops. The pace of it will blow you away.

>>26248

Also "the countries where Muslims vote 80% left". Don't call it a grave, its the world you helped build.

>cynical politicking and apathy to the common political scape is gooood

You'll tear robes, as per usual when Western powers come ☻ you. This time you'll be complicit.

>Do you even have a religion?

Why you ask? Are you considering to switch from Christian narrative to the fedora one? Boy, you really like to argue on autopilot, don't you?

>>26246

>In all of Europe Muslim immigrants summarily back the left and did so since they came in.

In all of Europe the so-called “New Right” is outspoken against muslims. Running this kind of interference is not going to be taken seriously unless you propose a genuine alliance between rightwing forces and Islamic forces that involves. You’re distinctly not proffering that. Your case is “Muslims Out! You let us become gay, now you will become gay, I’m not christian but East Asians love Jesus! Why are you against anti-muslim parties???”

>>26249

>Neom

You mean the new city project where alcohol is already banned? I got news for you, drugs and alcohol is the satanic seed of most degeneracy.

>Why you ask? Are you considering to switch from Christian narrative to the fedora one? Boy, you really like to argue on autopilot, don't you?

Ok, you’re clearly too ashamed to share your religious beliefs. I can have a discussion with atheists and christians, not a bitch troll who hides behind ambiguity, irony, and innuendo. Go back to /pol/ or /b/.

>>26249

And perhaps the key reason you can’t reveal your religion is because you want to keep making fedora arguments and christian arguments simultaneously. You must have no idea how flat this act falls to non-fedora non-christians.

>>26250

>In all of Europe the so-called “New Right” is outspoken against muslims.

A little discrepancy of 50+ years between Muslims moving in and "New/alt/whatever Right" becoming a thing, which its still at the margin.

>Running this kind of interference is not going to be taken seriously unless you propose a genuine alliance between right wing forces and Islamic forces that involves.

I don't pretend to propose anything or be in a position to do so. Things have gone too far already as far as I can tell. You proved to the people who you are as a group. The right doesn't exactly make a mistake when they oppose you, you consequently side with the left, you hold no loyalties to the host culture and you don't intend to abide by any sort of liberal principle of not pursuing your ingroup preference while exploiting that standard in them. Functionally you fell into a prepared role of an imported parasite, helping to subvert the political process. You got played by the left, are now its captive client and you can't own up to it because muh islamic legalism./grabs hadith

> Your case is

I'm not bandwagoning anything. I certainly didn't assimilate the beliefs of a twitter "movement". If you think the Milo Yanolopdodopodus brand of right is a real thing, while being aware of 8chan of all places… Its just a money machine for the ecelebs, the actual vector of change is nothing like the ripples on the surface, tailored to the current overtone window.

I'm only speaking out to drive the fact home: you ☻ed yourselves. Now you can clutch pearls all you want over the meanie "far right" and the like. You lose and you get the boot, you "win" and long term you lose everywhere, everything, forever and neovaginas for all.

Its very humorous, actually, had you aligned yourselves with the right irregardless of hostility from nationalists you'd pull its traditionalist elements on your side by now and that then would find yourselves at the center of the next right wing movement. But you picked petty gain over principle, unanimously.

>>26251

>You mean the new city project where alcohol is already banned?

Alcohol banned in Saudi Arabia??? What a development!

No, the royals are in their designs already abandoning not only Muslims but also Arabs. First they will shift their support base from the branches of their family to the popular support, then nonmuslim/unnreligious immigrants to counterbalance any religious movements. That region will be cosmopolitan by this year next century. Power, power and naught but power. Saud inner circle sold out ages ago.

>Ok, you’re clearly too ashamed to share your religious beliefs.

"Clearly" you're projecting since you just got shamed yourself. Ancestral Debt. I owe those who struggled before me. I don't hold spirituality beyond that. Nothing for you to swipe at, sorry.

>>26252

>because you want to keep making fedora arguments and christian arguments simultaneously.

I'm consistently talking from my individual position, point to a single "christian" argument. What you are trying to achieve is writing me off as some Internet stereotype. Not one will fit. I guess it invalidates what I say in the eyes of a collectivist? Truth doesn't require human acknowledgment.

>>26253

>point to a single "christian" argument.

>your simple conformity cult.

>Your carnal heaven

That’s ye olde xian argumentation against Islam. The fact that you immediately follow those borrowed tropes with a sentence disavowing christianity doesn’t change that. You’re a cultural cross-cuck, the worst kind of cross-cuck.

>Hey guise, watch the social engineering in Neom.

<Neom already banned alcohol.

>DUH!!!

>No, the royals are in their designs already abandoning not only Muslims but also Arabs.

Cool narrative, Madison.

>First they will shift their support base from the branches of their family to the popular support, then nonmuslim/unnreligious immigrants to counterbalance any religious movements.

More wishcasting.

>That region will be cosmopolitan by this year next century.

The khaleej in general and Hijaz in particular has been a cosmopolitan hub for centuries before The Prophet pbuh. It never stopped being so.

Interesting how this turned into a "Christianity vs Islam" thread. Take that crap back to >>>/christian/ or keep it in the designated Trini thread.

>>26223

No, we can never respect the wishes of a sodomite. Repent and man up, before you are cursed for eternity. You filthy product of american jewry.

>>26259

We don’t hold non-muslims to shariah. We are only responsible for muslim countries, communities, our households, and individuals. The best muslims among the early ghazawat wa futuhat used to let hindu women burn themselves when their husbands died when we ruled India. We used to let Zoroastrians marry their siblings when we ruled Persia. We dont care what they do and some western post-judeochristians are so pathetic they blame us for not teaching them marriage is between a man and a woman. You can’t teach fitrah, you either have it or you don’t.

So in these countries if one of the people prefers a certain name, we call them that. But in a Muslim country we report them to the rightful authorities.

>>26260

They can't force me to say it lmao

>>26279

Stop being a sodomite and whatever you do don't chop your balls off.

>>26279

>being against jewry means we are LARPers who fall for each others fake news

>>>/pol/

>>>/leftypol/

>>>/cuckchan/

>>26342

There are no female vols.

>traitor

lol … no

>>26384

They are not women. They are men with mental issues, which use artificial means to change the creation of God and go against his decrees because of their wims and desires.

An imitation is when you try to copy what the creator did. Drilling a hole between your legs, hopping to be a female, is imitating the creation of God by disfigurating and destroying what he already gave you and decreeded you, that is, being a male and having a penis.

A hole drilled between your legs will NEVER be a vagina and the one who does that will NEVER be a man. It will just be a bacteria full of holes. Man will never be able to recreate what God creates - a functioning, perfect uterus, capable of sustaining a foetus and creating a baby in the Womb. Drilling a hole full of microbes because of a mental ill person is just a imitation of women, thus "men imitating women". Only in your head and in your degenerate distorded mind is such a person a woman.

"And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss."

Verse (4:119)

"A mukhannath(transvestite) who had dyed his hands and feet with henna was brought to the Prophet. He asked: What is the matter with this man? He was told: Apostle of Allah! he affects women's get-up. So he ordered regarding him and he was banished to an-Naqi'. The people said: Apostle of Allah! should we not kill him? He said: I have been prohibited from killing people who pray. AbuUsamah said: Naqi' is a region near Medina and not al-Baqi.[2]"

"It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the man who wears women’s clothing and the woman who wears men’s clothing. Narrated by Abu Dawood (4098) and classed as saheeh by al-Nawawi in al-Majmoo’ (4/469) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. "

"‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed masculinized women. Narrated by Abu Dawood (4099); classed as hasan by al-Nawawi in al-Majmoo’ (4/469) and as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. "

And I can keep on going and going like that forever. But you do not reason and you prefer to mold religion around your perverse desires instead of repenting and molding your life around religion and God's will. You are going astray and you are stubbord, so I can't do much for you. I know perfectly that you are aware that Islam does not allow and recognize transgenderism, you just refuse it.

>>26442

*a hole full of bacterias