/hypno/ - Hypnochan

> Why not use BitTorrent

Because nobody in this board uses it

> Why not Retroshare

Because it is slow, and discovery (trying to find what you need) is a mess. Also the key system is shit for not using ECC

> Why not Telegram/Discord

Botnets, and they have maximum file sizes

>>53588

I was wondering when this thread would come up. Beat me too it.

A tutorial on how to get this shit going would really help alot of people here.

>>53595

Like torrenting by design this is nothing shady, so you can look it up about everywhere. I bet there are even some well put together YT videos.

Please note though, that it has about the same level of privacy as a torrent, so the usual precautions like using a VPN/proxy apply.

It's torrenting 2.0 if you will.

IPFS has the same problem as torrents: no anonymity.

>>53625

What time frame we talking here?

>>53625

Ok this shit is easy as fuck to setup.

Download the client and install

Install the companion app on firefox.

use one of these links on reddit to test it working

https://www.reddit.com/r/ipfs/comments/63ev6h/list_of_ipfs_websites/

>>53630

For those who have it setup, is should be a picture of miss mary

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmS73QHTjGPPUN5GVKkZ6rNDyzS6Z32yeSosSvBYHDSgd8

>>53631

Just so you know I deleted the file, it still works :)

>>53628

>>53630

Well OpenBazaar already has I2P ready, so you know it is good

Also this https://github.com/RTradeLtd/Temporal

Nice solution! Extremely simple to set up, seems like /tech/ really did learn a lot of lessons from other failures.

I think at this point we just need a single comment guide from ground zero, to sharing your files with others.

In theory it would be possible to create a distributed website with links to all hypnosis files. Laymans terms, the website/directory will basically be a file that anyone in the world could have and same with the files. Thus its impossible for it to be taken down. Sure the files could go missing, but the beauty of the system just means someone on the network has to reshare it and it works again.

>>53678

Was bored and figured Id do a proof of concept to show you guys how easy this is.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXzEH7uoGXkJ1FabQzvY8QDNgU2eYVGMsL3NFwhqZ9wLG

And you can share files directly. why the hell are you guys still using that vola shit?

>>53684

The usual response is that torrents and retroshare are too hard and they don't want hypnothots seeing their IP.

>>53685

And I would say to them.. What is a VPN?

>>53686

Just use I2P https://github.com/RTradeLtd/Temporal

>>53695

Account based.. good goy.

>>53685

Depending on the country, you are in, the copyright system used, and the copyright law, being subject to very high fines based on ip discovery is a very real danger.

I know someone in Germany, who had to pay a few thousand euros for a torrented, comparatively small (a few hundred songs) music library a few years back.

If you get caught under the wrong circumstances you'd not only have to pay a fine, but also the original price for all files downloaded, which for some overly expensive hypno files could easily become a very big problem.

Therefore using some sort of obfuscation is not only recommended, but almost necessary, if you live in certain countries.

This doesn't apply to one-click hosters in the same way, because it is much harder, if not illegal, to track external client server connections, than it is to discover IPs in a P2P network.

>>53697

Yeah thats one of the major problems with IPFS atm. It currently lacks any way to use it anonymously. Which is a real shame because this tech under the hood can potentionally be game changing to the web. Until a proper solution comes up the only alternative is to use I2P or tor directly.. which are slow as fuck.

>>53696

> account based

They are making a personal desktop client for a BitTorrent-like IPFS+I2P client so we will see.

>>53698

To be fair to l2p and tor, you really don't need fast speeds with hypnosis. Files aren't large. Most people can (and SHOULD) tolerate slow speeds if it means consistent anonymity, consistent sharing databases, less fragmentation and general messiness like we have now. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want things to improve, but honestly speed is such a low priority in this context.

>>53723

Please don't reduce the already limited tor bandwidth further by using it for file sharing.

I mean, a little bit of additional noise is certainly helpful, but routing downloads through Tor, just to hide your IP, is doing more harm than good.

Use a VPN for such applications.

Thanks

>>53740

Sure, and why are you saging?

>>53743

That was a general advice, which isn't directly related to hypnosis or sharing thereof.

And if a post is off topic, it's good practice to sage it, just like I have done.

>>53740

I2P is better for filesharing anyways and there's already hypnofags using Tor for filesharing, see the RetroShare thread.

>>53744

It was directly related to hypnosis and sharing, you were literally talking about people using tor to download hypno files and how they shouldn't be doing so.

We also need this thread to continue to stay bumped so more people are aware of l2p+ipfs.

In general I agree with you, but I do not think the sages in this thread are warranted, hopefully you understand.

>>53763

Seems like you are bumping it just enough.

And if you read my previous post more precisely, you'll see, that I was in fact not talking about hypnosis in particular, but file sharing in general.

>>53757

I'm not familiar with retroshare sadly, so I wasn't aware of that.

>>53764

>>53757

Retroshare is written in Java, the UI looks pretty bad, and some of the features (e.g. network diagrams) makes the app buggy. They are also not using ECC instead of RSA, so the keys are unnecessarily huge. IPFS+I2P would be good for a change.

>>53776

To this day it is not sure how secure ecc really is. Mathematicians are still trying to find better algorithms to solve it and it is known to be trivially solvable by quantum computers, once those are ready for prime time, which for enterprises may just be a few years ahead.

Now RSA has a lot of problems as well, but those mostly stem from the weakening of standard implementations by US authorities.

I believe they were also involved with ecc standardization, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

So the obvious takeaway is to not use US certified standard implementations but cryptographically proven open alternatives and possibly stay away from excitement altogether, if you expect quantum computing to take off.

>>53783

> trivially solvable by quantum computers

Same as RSA

> they were also involved with ecc standardization, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/ do your own research

>>53821

The more you know…

Thanks!

Bumping the thread for more conversations

>>53783

Lol. Elliptic curve crypto has been around and studied for 30+ years.

>>54415

Maybe people don't listen to you because you post stupid shit. Just a thought.

>>54449

>>54435

i have uploaded several files by using uchi.moe in the past and they never have gone down. the only case they go down because mods has to delete the original post linking to the file as a last resort. you fail to understand the real issue, the issue is not file hosting since it can be easily resolved by dmca-resistant hosting sites. using obscure p2p file sharing protocols is really just overkill even though it is a valid solution.

>>54415

>>54527

>>54533

> Not using IPFS or BitTorrent

> Shit like >>54531 happens

> Being this much of a newfag

>>54547

>>54531

not going to happen, sorry. unless you are hosting a dedicated seedbox for hosting people's hypno stuff, nobody is going to seed for that long. it's just the decade old debate of p2p vs dedicated hosting. what are you going to when that last fucker who has the file decides to a nofap and deletes his entire archive? majority of these people are wankers not dedicated librefags who run linux 24x7 and run "community-friendly" libreservices such as ipfs on their computers. sure, they will for couple of days and they will just forget about it. and that's the main reason why obscure technologies such as this never becomes mainstream because they are not transparent enough. i just want to jack off my sissy cuckold tyron fucked my mommy porn i don't give a shit about public private key pairs or ips or fucking services or whatever. i just want to click and be done with it. i get where you are coming from but saying that it is the "ultimate" solution is just a bit much imo. uchi.moe is down? okay then upload a backup to the next dmca-proof website and post that link and so on. it's the same thing in the end, at least that site until it goes bankrupt runs the hosting service for you in a way. not everyone has a 24x7 online raspberry pi with unlimited internet quota in their home, some of us live in africa and eat our own shit for a living.

>>54560

>he says this on the board which has gone through several RetroShare threads

>each with several hundred people sharing their private keys

Stop projecting your laziness onto everyone else. If the far more complicated RetroShare can catch on here (a board full of anons too paranoid or stupid for torrents), how is a much simpler solution you can use with a fucking browser plugin too hard for /hypno/?

>what are you going to when that last fucker who has the file decides to a nofap and deletes his entire archive?

From my experience with RetroShare, this generally doesn't happen because there's tons of autists seeding fucking everything and once a file goes up, it spreads around quickly. Your scenario is even less likely with IPFS thanks to its deduplication autism: autists renaming their files won't fragment the seeder pool.

>but muh websites

>i just want to click and be done with it

Guess what? If you actually read the thread before you began screeching, you'd know IPFS can already do that you massive fucking faggot. There's clearnet gateways for it and the browser plugin makes downloading files as easy as clicking any regular http link.

>>54570

>private key

There is a reason it's called "private". Don't know if it's Retroshare or you, but something is wrong here.

>>54582

Sharing without the need of keys, is the fastest way to go.

>>54560

>>54582

>writing public instead of private key

Ouch.

>>54692

Stuff like RetroShare encourages seeding but it's kind of a pain to set up and doesn't fit anon culture well.

Perhaps we should use IPFS + Onioncat/Tor until i2p gets implemented.

(Link works without IPFS.)

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYKQvBsbYrRhdaGvQXcEoSam7s5gKVYULfRgNPzN5JM8N/IPFS-via-OnionCat.html

>>54697

Actually i2p also works with it apparently

Looks like Orion is getting an update.

IPFS (even if you are not sharing anything) uses a huge bandwidth, but not much CPU. Orion puts quite a load on the CPU in addition to bandwidth (at least on my PC).

>>55522

How much bandwidth would that be for either one?

>>53592

>the final solution to hypnosis filesharing

When i2p is implemented, yes. Before then, no.

>>55540

Pretty much. I2P torrents could be useful in the meantime but RetroShare fags are used to just sharing their collections while volafile untermensch have complained torrents are somehow too hard.

>>55541

The plural of Untermensch is Untermenschen!

>>55527

>How much bandwidth would that be for either one?

Even if you are not sharing anything the bandwidth will be 4-5GB a day in both directions.

>>55650

Less than 500kbps is still acceptable in my opinion from a bandwidth usage perspective. Having a symmetrical 100mbps link, you could theoretically sync up to a TB a day in either direction.

Still you gotta wonder how heavy/inefficient the associated protocols could be.

>>55522

Orion uses JS for UI programming, go figure.

>>55527

>>55650

>>55652

Sounds like we need better optimizations, who wants to write an Issue on go-ipfs or Orion's Github repo?

bump for concern, it seems that IPFS is updating their software to use less resources

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