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Furry Convention Further Confusion just banned Pedophiles and Sex Offenders from attending.
https://www.furtherconfusion.org/conduct/
▶ No.91653
>and nothing of value was lost
▶ No.91656>>91675
So then why is Growly banned????
▶ No.91657>>91667 >>91676
>There are no pets allowed in the convention space at Further Confusion. While the Marriott and Hilton do allow pets in sleeping rooms with an additional fee, they do NOT allow animals to be left unattended in rooms, and no animals are permitted in the event spaces of any of our venues. FurCon is an extremely busy, crowded, stressful event, and not an optimal situation for an animal to be in. This policy does not affect service animals as defined by Title II and Title III of the ADA. Regrettably, Emotional Support Animals do not fall under this definition.
>Sir why is your dog humping this minor
>This is my child's emotional support dog
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>>91657
<This is my dog's emotional support child
▶ No.91675>>91691
>>91656
He served 2 years in jail and 3 years probation for lewd or lascivious acts with a 14 year old.
Basically, you’re not allowed to be in the same room when your boyfriend fucks a child. Twice. Apparently that was news to him.
Whatever, they won’t actually enforce that rule. The trannies that run the con will turn a blind eye for anyone with the correct political leanings.
▶ No.91676>>91679 >>91685
>>91657
Is this because of the fox incident? Seriously, I don’t understand why anyone gives a shit about animals at a furry convention.
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>>91676
Because it's generally very stressful on the animal.
▶ No.91680
>The trannies that run the con will turn a blind eye for anyone with the correct political leanings
LOL
▶ No.91684
Guess I can still bring my "Seizure Alert Dog" with me.
▶ No.91685>>91691
>>91676
>fox incident
Tell me more.
▶ No.91691>>91719 >>92064
>>91675
>He served 2 years in jail
You mean Prison, Anon. Jail is the place you are held while you await your trial, prison is where you serve your sentence if convicted in a court of law.
>>91681
They can be domesticated, breeders sell them.
>>91685
There's not much to tell, some guy brought his pet fox, which was very well behaved, to a con one time and everyone freaked the fuck out for some reason because it was 'endangerment' and 'animal cruelty' even though nothing happened. People are idiots.
▶ No.91700>>91705
finally, now all furcons need to take a stance on this and hold to it including not letting them ghost/ be in the hotel where the convention members are/ registering under a fake name and using someone elses badge at a building we worked when we had a ban on people we kept there mugshot with them where they lived there name and aliases that they went under to prevent them from getting in the building.
also furcons need to ban anyone who identify as the nazi party and anyone indenfitying as zoophiles, fuck there attendances numbers its time to clean up the fandom for 2019.
so people like foxler, kero, seiphus or anyone implicated in the zoo leaks and make sure there not registering under fake aliases by requiring you to register with your real name. its workable but my fear is that people will just register these furcon attendies and mutiple alises and then hand them out to vet them in, ie a loophole. maybe make it so the conventions have a process where the attendes pass is only valid for them and only allow one alias/ one fursona badge displayed.
▶ No.91701
also forgot to add that convention hotels/ hotels in general, should also be made aware of this as should the venus that are actually hosting them be aware of these sex offenders.
▶ No.91705>>91723
>>91700
Nazifurs are harmless though, just like bondagefurs
Your hatred only shows your ignorance towards modern society
▶ No.91719
>>91691
Incorrect. The fox shit and pissed everywhere. When it was at a panel it stared to snap at people. Then the sjws doxxed him to the ASPCA.
▶ No.91723>>91724 >>91728
>>91705
incorrect its supposed to be a family friendly event and i do not want white supremacy and symbols of racism at an event, if your going to allow nazi furs you need to allow KKK furs and all that jazz. yeah now you wont, will you.
▶ No.91724>>91725 >>91772
>>91723
oh and that includes the robe and a black man we will refer to as nigger constanly and use southern racist terms constanly and act like the KKK do if you want to allow once side of white supremacy you must allow them all, i forgot to add.
yeah nazism may be in german history but the guy who was the son of a german auschwitz camp said his father was extremely racist and is now gay and dies his hair and does everything the nazis hated to do.
germany is trying to forget its own fucking past and would find it offensive to have american furries parading around in public wearing something they wish to forget themselves and no im not a triggered SJW i have a common decency, if your going to disallow one bad thing then you need to step up to the plate and disallow symbols of racism and all that shit.
the point of history is not to repeat it, the point of history is to learn from it bury it and make sure it never happens again and people seem to be too stupid to realize that, thats why its called HISTORY.
▶ No.91725>>91726
>>91724
but no furries tote it as "history buffing and stuff and other gross lopeholes" that makes me wish to burn up the neares furry convention and take a few innocent civillian losses.
▶ No.91726>>91727
>>91725
but i am so fucking glad a furry convention filled with mostly furries where they all went when they migrated to the east cost to be in a state that only classifies zoophillia as a misdimenor and to be near seattle a really hot zoophile spot, time to lobby to change that rule to a felony and watch furries scatter.
is finally taking a stance on the scum in the fandom, now for anthro on MFF, Furpoc and all those areas where children are in mass droves teens and whatnot to step up to the plate, ive been criticial enough its nice to see them finally have an excuse to do something about it.
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▶ No.91728>>91765
>>91723
National Socialism IS the most family friendly ideology retard. Liberalism is degenerate and abusive
▶ No.91730>>91732
>>91652 (OP)
>Furry Convention Further Confusion just banned Pedophiles and Sex Offenders from attending.
So all furries?
▶ No.91731
thank god a furry convention did something about it.
▶ No.91732>>91733
>>91730
pretty much furries in the fandom are notriously known to put sex before age check, teenagers hookups with adults are common at cons as theres not much age check at all and people just say it for PR. and someone will chime in and say it doesnt, it does, you cant sit here and tell me it doesnt in such a sex crazed fetish culture full of pedos.
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>>91732
and when i say teen i mean under 18
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▶ No.91765>>91767
>>91728
>family-friendly
>doe snot think divorce or reporting domestic abuse are okay, encourages family structure over family well-being, doesn't even endorse welfare for poor families
>"liberalism is worse"
As long as it's a man, his obedient wife and 2 kids, that's all that matters, amirite? So what if dad smacks all 3 around and they barely eat?
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>>91765
yeah god forbid people have humanity. like gays being allowed to do stuff oh wait only the affluenty fetishy ones and pedophiles make up that image.
christian? creepy 80yo uncly molester pedos.
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>>91724
>oh and that includes the robe and a black man we will refer to as nigger constanly
I don't think the black man will want to join this party unless he's into hardcore rough roleplay
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>>91737
>>91738
>>91739
I'm actually into cub porn, and Tay scares me. Keep your fucking fantasy fetishes to fantasy.
▶ No.91819
good now to ban growly from all conventions and his posse
▶ No.91820>>91872 >>91903
>>91812
i messaged him once about the kid fursuit thing at MFF on telegram under a throwaway and he quickly said "nope i dont do that nope" yeah okay why do you post about it then
▶ No.91872>>91886
>>91820
Telegram is secure why wouldn't he open up about it
▶ No.91886
>>91872
no idea but his pedo supoorter friend roketsune is also on there.
▶ No.91903>>91936
>>91820
I don't even want to talk to him. He creeps me out. Talks ON HIS IB ACCOUNT about how he's into real kids. He's not *just* a pedophile, because not all pedos are child molesters. Tay is a child molester.
▶ No.91935
growlys LA times snippet from 2001:
"Two California men have been arrested and charged with having sex with a 14-year-old Victorville boy they met over the Internet, officials said Wednesday.
The boy contacted authorities on June 4. He said Troy Brandon Gaede, 32, of San Jose and Daniel Mizuho Llamas, 25, of Van Nuys came to Victorville in March and May, renting hotel rooms where they engaged in sexual conduct with him and photographed the acts, San Bernardino County sheriff's officials said.
Gaede was arrested Tuesday in San Jose and booked into Santa Clara County Jail, with bail set at $500,000. He is charged with five counts of lewd acts upon a minor, four counts of sodomy of a person younger than 18 and one count of using a minor to make pornography. He will be brought to Victorville for arraignment soon, sheriff's spokesman Chip Patterson said.
Llamas was arrested Tuesday at his home in Van Nuys and booked into the San Bernardino County Jail in Rancho Cucamonga, also on $500,000 bail. He is charged with four counts of lewd acts upon a minor and one count of using a minor to make pornography. He was expected to be arraigned Wednesday afternoon, officials said. "
▶ No.91936>>91951 >>92128
>>91903
nah he seems like the type to deny it and secretly go to cons and molest children, it makes me uncomfortable for some of the furry kids that are in his age of attraction AOA that wear kigus and stuff, making his easy access of accidential molestation easier as most kids that go to cons wear just underwear under them, parents dont know.
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>>91936
also his FA is censored but his IB used to say gay for little boys and girls and his AOA which was preteen.
▶ No.92009>>92010
>>92007
What about the unarmed pedos?
▶ No.92010
>>92009
kill them too, id rather go to death row for murder knowing i killed a pedo then live near them
▶ No.92016
>>91740
so when do furcons ban sangie and his money front of inkedfur to sell cub dakis and prints.
▶ No.92063
thank god now for the rest of them, lol growlys stomping grounds are closed.
▶ No.92064>>92065 >>92073 >>92153
>>91691
They can be tamed, but not domesticated. A fox will always behave like its wild counterpart even if it likes you. Modern house cats are still mostly feral.
▶ No.92065>>92067 >>92277
>>92064
There are domesticated foxes already.
>Modern house cats are still mostly feral.
Nope. Cats have been domesticated for almost as long as dogs have.
▶ No.92067>>92069
>>92065
No, dipshit. Cats have only lived along side humans since agrarian societies sprang up roughly 7,000 years ago. Dogs have been our companions for at least 40,000 years. Fox breeding has existed for less than 100 years.
They are not domesticated.
▶ No.92069>>92104
>>92067
>Dogs have been our companions for at least 40,000 years
The initial "domestication" of dogs was in the paleolithic but that only got dogs about as far a dingos or pariah dogs. The true domestication of dogs was only about 10,000 or so years ago.
>Fox breeding has existed for less than 100 years.
>They are not domesticated.
Yes they are. The Russian dude that bred them used an extremely intensive process of culling and careful breeding to produce a truly domesticated animal in about 50 years from the start date.
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>>92064
most furries just want an unaltered fox just so they can fuck it.
▶ No.92099
remember when he was trying to get nudes of a minor on furaffinity and dragoneer was being a faggot over not wanting to ban him
▶ No.92104>>92105 >>92118
>>92069
They still stink like hell though. Also calling them "domesticated" is a bit of a stretch. They were only bred to not be anxious around humans, nothing else, they still exhibit a lot of feral behaviors such as killing every single living thing they can reach.
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>>92104
and screaming alot
▶ No.92118
>>92104
Domestication has a specific definition, and those foxes meet that criteria. Just because they make shitty pets doesn't mean we haven't domesticated them. Most people wouldn't keep a cow or a chicken in their house, but they are still definitely domesticated. It's just that most people think of dogs when they think of a domesticated pet, whereas most animals will never reach the level of behavior dogs will.
▶ No.92119
the level of zoophiles in here trying buy a pet fox is astounding
▶ No.92120>>92130 >>92143
Can we get back to talking about conventions and how to ban sex offenders and pedophiles from cons, please.
▶ No.92128
>>91936
The good thing is, there are extremely few kids at furcons at all. I've seen them, but they're always glued to their parent's side.
I wonder how you know, or why you think, kids usually wear underwear under kigus.
▶ No.92130>>92134
>>92120
They shouldn't get banned unless they caused an issue at that convention. They made a mistake or two awhile back, doesn't mean they should be forced to relive that mistake after they've been punished.
▶ No.92134
>>92130
nah he doesnt need to be around children.
▶ No.92143>>92145
>>92120
Too bad banning pedophiles is a lot more difficult considering there’s no way to keep track of who all are pedophiles like there is with the sex offender registry lol
▶ No.92145>>92170
>>92143
how about we just stop allowing children at conventions, the fandom is a highly sexual place, lets stop mixing minors and horny adults.
▶ No.92153>>92197
>>92064
There are many domesticated foxes, the famous breed of them being a famous Soviet experiment that is still going on and costs $$$ (I believe it's expensive, may have gone down in price). You can own and tame many species of foxes depending on your state law, most commonly are red and grey foxes. You can also own fennec foxes. Non-domesticated foxes are not an easy animal to take care of but can be taken care of much like a normal pet but with more attention needed. Modern house cats are NOT "mostly feral" at all.
▶ No.92163
lmao growly got rekt for once instead of putting his gross pedo cock inside of people.
▶ No.92170>>92173 >>92174
>>92145
Not much of a problem. (a) Adults at furcons may be horny, but they're not horny for kids, (b) there's not a lot of visible sexuality, the stuff in the dealers' room is covered, (c) kids don't wander around unsupervised, and (d) there aren't many there anyway.
▶ No.92173>>92200
>>92170
and there we go defending pedos being at conventions. #damagecontrol
▶ No.92174>>92200
>>92170
i hope because of this comment growly and keros zoo crew gets b& from every single convention and meet known to man for the lols.
▶ No.92200>>92217
>>92173
Care to explain how I'm defending pedos? I think anyone who's a verified pedophile should be banned from cons. But kids at cons still aren't a problem, for the reasons I listed, especially that there are only a handful and they're always with parents who don't let them wander.
>>92174
I'm A-OK with people who abuse animals getting the boot, too, if it's verified.
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▶ No.92208
Why exactly are silly string banned?
▶ No.92209>>92225
>>92207
>Be proven wrong
>"Science doesn't matter, I just hate Foxes"
kys fam
▶ No.92210>>92216
Okay, this is bullshit.
>Pets and Service Animals
>There are no pets allowed in the convention space at Further Confusion. While the Marriott and Hilton do allow pets in sleeping rooms with an additional fee, they do NOT allow animals to be left unattended in rooms, and no animals are permitted in the event spaces of any of our venues. FurCon is an extremely busy, crowded, stressful event, and not an optimal situation for an animal to be in. This policy does not affect service animals as defined by Title II and Title III of the ADA. Regrettably, Emotional Support Animals do not fall under this definition.
▶ No.92214>>92215
>>92213
Foxes are adorable fluffy creatures and you're just a faggot.
▶ No.92215>>92220
>>92214
you just want a fox so you can fuck it
▶ No.92216>>92220 >>92227
>>92210
yeah its so zoophiles stop bringing there dogs into a furry convention and to the rave.
▶ No.92217>>92268
>>92200
theres also teens that wander around freely those count as people furries target too.
▶ No.92220
>>92215
>>92216
I want a Fox because they're cute & cool and flurry. You're just a faggot. Stop thinking about sexualizing everything. I bet your dad raped you as a kid that's why you're a faggot now. Stop doubleposting you nigger we all know its you. Go jack off to your 4TB bestiality porn somewhere else DarkShadowFag.
▶ No.92225>>92232
>>92209
>>92197
more foggs webms
▶ No.92227>>92231
>>92216
No one was bringing dogs into the raves you idiot. Have you even been to the con?
▶ No.92231
>>92227
but they bring them into the hotel and the con space. so its pretty obvious whats going on on the party floors.
▶ No.92234
also if you need a support dog to go to a convention and are too anxious depressed whatever you should seek medication and therapy instead of bringing an untrained dog to a convention and taking away from the people who actually need them, ie real service dogs with real paperwork and trainign
now how about banning those sex offenders from all the other cons.
▶ No.92242
>>92232
>gets mad someone sexualizes the fact that they want animals/
>makes a sexual post
you guys are awfully of of yourselves.
▶ No.92261
and banned growly lol pedo
▶ No.92268
>>92217
Are there? I've never seen any.
▶ No.92276
>>92197
Just like a kitteh!
▶ No.92277>>92284 >>92300 >>92316 >>92351
>>92065
I like foxes but I don't like tame foxes. I seen them in videos. The tame foxes act stupid like idiots. Running around wagging tail like idiots and making noises and rolling on the ground. Disgusting behavior. I see videos of normal foxes and guess what. They act normal and more calm than stupid tame foxes. The wild foxes are more dignified.
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▶ No.92300
>>92224
Because English are fags and so are you.
>>92277
That just means you're no fun, faggot.
▶ No.92308>>92319
>convictions
Who the fuck cares? If hes out of jail hes served his sentence to society.
▶ No.92316>>92431
>>92277
Can you... like... not? Just... not? What's even wrong with tame foxes acting fun and silly as opposed to preserving predator behavior? What's the matter with foxes acting like pet animals? Acting docile doesn't make them any "stupid" or "less of a fox". Do you have some kind of "fierce predator animal" fetish or something?
I never thought I'd see someone gatekeeping over foxes like that, I'm genuinely impressed.
▶ No.92319>>92327
>>92308
lol banned from furcon
▶ No.92327>>92344
>>92319
That infringes upon his personal liberties and he can sue.
▶ No.92344
>>92327
yeah im so glad hes not allowed around kids
▶ No.92351
>>92277
It’s one of the worlds oldest still-running genetic experiments. They didn’t do it to make v. vulpes more or less fun/interesting for anyone in particular.
You can’t plow a field with them or pull a sled, but you can’t deny they look happy.
▶ No.92431>>92438 >>92440
>>92316
Wow, you must be actually retarded if you think that turning the majestic fox into some faggy pet is a good thing. It actually does make them less of a fox, just like a dog, which isn't a wolf, idiot.
▶ No.92438
>>92431
The point was to learn something about genetics, not make foxes less dignified. The ones in the wild still have their original personality intact.
Ethics are an important part of any animal test. That said tho...
I feel a lot worse for the cosmetic testing animals and the ones that get infected with terminal diseases, than I do for the ones that frolic around grinning and wagging to get lots of free treats and pettings.
▶ No.92440>>92441
>>92431
>Hating on dogs now
I hope you die in your sleep tonight, faggot.
▶ No.92441
>>92440
I think this is a refreshing new turn for this thread and I would love to discuss why dogs are or are not cool.
▶ No.92444>>92446 >>92454
The only things you can count on when you meet a fox is promiscuity and loose morals.
Dogs are shit-for-brains who try to make up for it by being annoyingly social and slobber over everything.
Wolves are kind of ok, but for a pack animal there sure a lot of "lone wolfs". I think they're confused.
Are we talking about fursonas or real animals?
▶ No.92446
>>92444
I really think it’s gross that furries automatically assume a fox type is going to be a slutty cumdumpster. But I also realize that stereotypes exist for a reason. Like how 99% of lawyers give the profession a bad reputation.
I’ve noticed the wolf thing too. Unless they have a master or a slave they never think of pack membership and social hierarchy as being part of their lives.
Some of the nicest and most stable furries I’ve met identify with dogs. I don’t think they’re so bad as a species. In the fandom at least.
Dragons and rabbits are the ones that seem to cause the most drama.
▶ No.92449>>92452
>>92442
>evolved to have the same Oxytocin pathways as humans after companionship of over thousands of years
>can detect drugs, bombs, pregnancy, cancer, and mood changes by scent alone
>natural instinct to comfort crying humans including strangers
>can learn tricks
>more loyal than any human
>literally love their owners
<worst animal
K I L L Y O U R S E L F
▶ No.92452>>92469
>>92449
>more loyal than any human
They're not loyal by choice or morals. It's the way their brains are wired. Saying dogs are loyal to humans is like saying tapeworms are loyal to humans.
>literally love their owners
Dogs love the unending supply of free food and affection they get from their owner.
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▶ No.92455>>92465
and pedos are still bad.
dogs are great but not when furries use them as sex toys or for sexual use or to make porn IRL
▶ No.92465>>92502
>>92455
>Dogs are not good when they're abused
>Victim blaming
Also pedos are people, not monsters
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▶ No.92502>>92505
>>92465
nah pedos are mentally ill people who need to be reconditioned on why there mental illness is bad and how it harms others.
homosexualty, heterosexuality all does nothing
pedophillia is a paraphillia and taking advantage of people who cannot fight back.
▶ No.92505>>92506
>>92473
whats the matter? Did you get bit as a kid for acting like a faggot to the neighbor's dog?
>>92502
pedos dont cease to be people just because you dont like them. you cannot jail someone for a thought crime.
▶ No.92506>>92508 >>92514
>>92505
pedophillia is digusting and so is zoophillia both need to be outlawed in the united states no adult should be fucking a child ever or an animal if your that desperate for sex seek out a hooker. a legal aged one. and for the lawmakers that read this thread, please make pedos lives harder.
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>>92506
lol good luck outlawing a fetish, what're ya gonna do, use your psychic powers to reach into people's minds and see their thoughts so you discern which ones have a fetish? You have no power here.
▶ No.92514>>92521 >>92522
>>92506
>Make guns illegal
>Mass shootings and wars stop
▶ No.92521>>92525
>>92514
make access child pornography illegal. oh wait they wont because then the police wont be able to label there spy programs as protecting against the pedos and the drugs and the illegal gunz
▶ No.92522>>92532
>>92514
did you know that income tax is also a wartime collection tax and that america has never effectively left the wartime state but yet we bitch and moan about ending wars in other areas. go figure
▶ No.92525>>92526
>>92521
>make access child pornography illegal
It's not?
▶ No.92526>>92527 >>92531
>>92525
not unless the FBI catches you or someone reports you which theres no way for your ISP to view the encrypted traffic of you accessing tor sites, so its pretty much not and unenforceable.
▶ No.92527
>>92526
and yes, to add, i use tor but for nothing illegal.
▶ No.92531
>>92526
>it's not illegal unless someone catches you
Nigger what? And what more do you want them to do then? Spy on people more?
▶ No.92532>>92537 >>92540
>>92522
America has had emergency powers since the end of WWII. FEMA keeps a list of americans for rounding up into FEMA camps if the event of a 'national emergency.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
▶ No.92537>>92539 >>92540 >>92563
>>92532
The entire executive branch is hand-picked. Nineteen of the last twenty-three U.S. presidents have been members of the Trilateral Commission. The Trilateral Commission is financed by the Rockefellers and the Rotschilds.
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>>92537
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
▶ No.92563>>92565 >>92575
>>92501
The "pedophilia is a sexual orientation" thing is only claimed by trolls and a handful of pedophiles. the claim that the non-straight community is openly adding a P for "pedosexual" to the acronym is based on a *chan movement by a bunch of people who either think non-straights are all disgusting or just want to troll.
>>92537
>Nineteen of the last twenty-three U.S. presidents have been members of the Trilateral Commission
LOL. InfoWars is thataway.
▶ No.92565>>92583 >>92598 >>92629
>>92563
>Not playing Deus Ex
Newfag detected, I bet that you're a soyboy who plays mediocre lootbox shooters like Overwatch
▶ No.92575
>>92563
Imageboards become so big you don't even know who you're replying to. That's terror. Terror built into the system.
▶ No.92582
roflmao growly banned roflcoptor
▶ No.92583>>92599
>>92565
i know right i hate people who dont play original dues ex because they dont know the whole entire game is actually an information trove of true leaked information.
▶ No.92598
>>92565
I'm not a gamer at all. I know Deus Ex is supposed to be a great game, but that's all I know. Nothing against gamers or gaming, it's just not my bag.
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▶ No.92629
>>92565
>soyboy
Well that proves you're retarded. You get your protein straight from black cock, don't you?
Never underestimate the sheer insanity of the conservative mind. They believe they are being actively oppressed by anyone who isn't exactly like them, yet are perfectly willing to fuck over or even kill people who are exactly like them if it offers personal benefit. They scream "oppression" when "tolerant" liberals don't put up with their insane bullshit, citing it as some sort of hypocrisy that someone might think gay marriage is okay but racism/bigotry are not. Apparently "tolerance" must be universal or something.
They'll claim that liberals hate women, while they try to ban abortion, take away a woman's rights and coddle their own whenever a conservative is exposed as a rapist. They'll claim liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia yet desire it being legalized and are perfectly fine whenever one of their own is exposed as a child molester. They claim Islam is some evil cult while Christianity is just as bad and has a track record of just as much violence throughout history, and they will also insist that atheists are out to end the world because.... they don't believe in an unproven myth. That's another thing- they insist Kavanaugh dindu nuffin because there is "no evidence"(even if ti was recorded they'd ignore it though) yet demand everyone believe in a god that has no evidence. They insist all liberals hate guns and are too weak to be violent, only to turn around and accuse liberals of being violent trigger-happy monsters whenever one punches them or fights back.
They are also notoriously dishonest and I'm not sure if it's on purpose or if they actually believe the garbage they spew.