[–] ▶ Tax evading furries at risk. IMPORTANT Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 05:16:22 No. 89072 >>89074 >>89076 >>89079 >>89099 >>89125 >>89235 >>89345 >>89422 >>89514 >>91206 [Watch Thread] [Show All Posts]
Just crossposting a link from uncle /pol/
>>>/pol/12464119
Basically, some THOT on Twitter got mad that someone reported her to the IRS and she got fucking audited. Now there's a mad purge to reported every fucking streamer, youtuber, ecelebrity and everyone else because they are very likely tax evading.
This includes Patreon furries as well, so this is relevant news to this board
It has been confirmed by an IRS worker that people can be eligible for a whistleblower bounty for up to 30% of the unpaid tax amounts. People like Zaush, Jasonafex, Sunibee, every popufur you can imagine, they probably tax evade to some extent and they are liable. This is huge .
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 05:28:47 No. 89074
>>89072 (OP)
You REFUSED to draw free art of my fursona and now that the world is on fire and the IRS at the gates you have the GALL to come to me for help?
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 05:38:56 No. 89076 >>89089 >>89090 >>89100 >>89105 >>89125
>>89072 (OP)
On one hand, I feel bad that they have to pay more since I know that a lot of them are barely living with the amount they earn from commissions.
On the other hand, I feel tremendously smug that the arrogant tax-evading SJW types are being affected by it. The ones who frequently say, "Tax everyone to give universal healthcare! If you disagree with me, you're a heartless nazi bigot who wants everyone to die!!", now have to realize the personal value of what they demand everyone else to sacrifice.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 05:56:15 No. 89079 >>89085
>>89072 (OP)
>Warning the fags ahead of time so that way they can hide their crimes.
Assholes like you deserve the rope.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 06:17:32 No. 89085
>>89079
Oh no, quite the opposite. I want the news to spread faster so they panic harder.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 07:33:34 No. 89089
>>89076
Their fault for choosing a poor career path.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 07:34:40 No. 89090 >>89098 >>89110 >>89262 >>90226
The IRS doesn't have the time or manpower to go auditing every fucking furry artist and person on youtube or whatever else. That said, all verified and reliable methods of payment do leave a digital "paper trail", so if they happen to pick your number out of a hat and you haven't been paying taxes, you'd be pretty well screwed. It's not like the olden days when people drew physical media and sold it, in person at cons, for cash under-the-table.
>>89076
Actually it's always the conservative types that evade taxes. The Trump family has probably defrauded the government out of more money than every popufur combined has ever made.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 12:06:35 No. 89098 >>89105
>>89090
>nuh uh its you guys that do it not us
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 12:52:16 No. 89099 >>89107
>>89072 (OP)
>whistleblower bounty
>up to 30% of unpaid tax amounts
>popufurs
>mfw I can get paid for fucking over people on my shitlist at little to no investment
What a time to be alive.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 13:46:52 No. 89100 >>89107 >>89175 >>89177
>>89076
>a lot of them are barely living with the amount they earn from commissions.
Haha, yeah...
Someone snitch out Fek and Fenoxo so they end up in jail already.
Plus there's literally hundreds of thousands in bounty in it for ya'll.
If I was a burger, I'd have done it already.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 14:48:28 No. 89102 >>89125
I'd rather have porn and not force people to charge even more for art.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 15:04:27 No. 89105 >>89110 >>89125
Now if only Patreon would actually ENFORCE their "no fan art of copyrighted characters" policy, and boot off every nudie model who uses the platform as an easy set-up porn paysite. Plus all the Youtuber who set up Patreons so they can use the funds to buy action figures under the guise of "my babbling about the toy in a video is real content creation" and anyone who thinks narrating a creepypasta written by someone else is hard work(sure, you give the author credit but not a penny of the money you make!).
>>89076
but /pol/ will suffer too, including Zaush & Kayla-Na as well as all those "waaah women are ruining everything by existing" youtube shit channels like thunderf00t and World Class Bullshitters, so fuck you, you whiny punk. You didn't "win" jack shit you pathetic bitch. You NEVER win anything but sure, be happy to cut your dick off if it means you get some HIV blood on your foes, that'll sure show them!
>>89098
Yep, u mad
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 15:07:14 No. 89106
I should point out that while Paypal does auto-report to the IRS, they don't do so unless you hit somewhere around $20K a year in income through them. This means a lot of eBay sellers or artists pay no taxes if they don't hit that limit, and the chance you will be caught in the automatic system is very tiny.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 15:10:28 No. 89107 >>89113 >>89135
>>89100
>>89099
Unfortunately you may need actual dox to hand them in- name, address, SSN. A Paypal email or online handle may not be enough.
But so many internet users these days willfully hand out their real names and home towns because Facebook made doxxing yourself popular so you may still get enough to try and file an actual report. Juts hope there aren't 5 people in that city with that same name.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 15:24:04 No. 89110
>>89090
And the governments of the world have defrauded more money from their own people than their people could ever steal from them. You don't owe the government anything, but the government owes its very right to exist to its people.
>>89105
>thundercuck
>/pol/
Please, enlighten me as to how you came to that conclusion. Last I checked, he was calling every right-winger and centrist alt-right, especially if they appeared to be threatening his chances of getting "research" gibs from the European Union.
Given your post seems like an amalgamation of every negative stereotype about progressive politics I've ever seen, perhaps it would be unnecessary to ask. Asuming of course- that you truly hold those beliefs, and are not doing this is jest.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 15:40:40 No. 89113 >>89135
>>89107
Good thing the biggest fraudsters also have personal websites registered to their name.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 16:03:02 No. 89121 >>89125
Yea, this sex worker is clueless.
It's $400 in a single transaction or within the time period of one week. $400 a year? Bitch that's well below the self-reporting poverty line.
Clueless people everywhere, including this board, jesus christ.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 17:32:03 No. 89125 >>89181
>>89072 (OP)
based IRS
>>89076
I come at it from the flip side. I'm not SJW, more like Christian Democrat. (nothing to do with the Democratic party. Think moderate social conservatism meets universal healthcare.) So this appeals to me from several angles.
1. If you're going to commercialize your hobbyist community, you'd better take on the social obligations of doing business. i.e. Pay your taxes.
2. I'm glad people didn't pay their taxes since now you take a hit for doing something that shouldn't have been done in the first place, which will hopefully have a chilling effect.
3. The hypocrisy angle is also good, although I don't take much pleasure in the *SJW* part. What bothers me is people who're not poor, but certain-disposable income-constrained, who can live comfortably enough flying around the country to cons knowing that their parents or their twitter followers will bail them out if it all goes wrong. They almost inevitably associate themselves with the actually-poor, people with no money, no social capital and no real prospect of family help beyond living with parents, in a way that really bothers me. The time has come for them to render unto Ceaser.
>>89102
I would prefer the latter. Push the prices up out of the reach of the middle-class consumer entirely, then they'll have to fracture off and start a new community, or find something else to do with their time.
>>89105
tired: /pol/ vs anti-/pol/
wired: the more people this harms the better, the commercialization of the internet was a mistake from all angles, the individualization of commerce even more so, and the more dominoes fall the more of a chilling effect it will hopefully have.
>>89121
the US tax free allowance is $6300 which is pretty low.
Fun fact: The UK lets you keep like the first £12k of taxable income.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 19:26:49 No. 89135 >>89138
>>89113
>>89107
It was confirmed that you do NOT need their SSN number. Their full name, state, and town of residence is probably enough for the IRS to begin a cursory look at them.
You must be a US resident with an SSN in order to collect the bounty, however
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 19:40:49 No. 89138 >>89141
>>89135
Citation needed on that one bud. I'm not going to spend the entire afternoon filing forms if there isn't any neetbux in it.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 20:04:18 No. 89141 >>89142
>>89138
Well, it makes sense, doesn't it? They're getting back money that was owed to the US govt, it would be stupid to send it out of the country.
I'd rather have an US furry collecting the bounty on popufur criminals, but if there aren't any, fuck it. Someone just has to do it already.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 20:17:51 No. 89142
>>89141
Actually its even better than that, its just a tax write-off, if you don't even file taxes, you can't even claim any reward.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 20:26:34 No. 89145 >>89149 >>89159 >>89169
So maybe a few dozen furry spergs didn't pay taxes. Why should I give half a rats ass?
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 21:01:03 No. 89149 >>89159
>>89145
Because those spergs draw dog dicks and they get sad when they have to follow the law which makes them not want to draw doggy dongs anymore.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 21:12:35 No. 89151
While I'm sure there are plenty of tax evaders in the fandom (because that's exactly the kind of juvenile horseshit I expect from furries) I would recommend against saturation-bombing the IRS tipline with names simply because I'm pretty sure they really only have so many people sifting through that shit and the more shit to look at, the longer it will take and possibly less likely it will even be looked at.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 22:10:15 No. 89153
>>89152
play stupid games win stupid prizes
that universal healthcare won't pay for itself bro
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 22:21:38 No. 89154
>>89152
>for no reason
I can probably think of half a dozen off the top of my goddamn head without serious thought involved. Stay mad, audit victims.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 22:34:00 No. 89155
>>89152
>ruining the lives of furry artists
Nigger auditing popufurs isn't hurting any artists. It's mainly targeting e-beggers and patreon-whores, i.e Jasonafex.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 22:51:17 No. 89156
>>89152
>for no reason
Why do furries think rules don't apply to them?
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 23:02:13 No. 89158
>>89157
>abloobloo muh solidarity abloobloobloo
Fuck off.
▶ sage Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 23:10:20 No. 89159 >>89162 >>89169
>>89149
>>89145
I'm still waiting for an intelligible reason to why I should care. The number of furry (artists) in any given population is usually quite low compared to the population. And they are definitely not in a high wealth/income percentile if they're an artist for a living.
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 23:11:09 No. 89160
>>89157
>snitching
>gestapo
▶ Anonymous 11/25/18 (Sun) 23:52:04 No. 89162 >>89170
>>89159
>they are definitely not in a high wealth/income percentile if they're an artist for a living.
>there are at least 2 furries in the top 0.01% of income, doing stuff that wouldn't net them a real job in their respective fields even if they sucked all the right dicks due to how badly executed it is, due to the their own incompetence
I'll openly and happily admit it is indeed just to fuck these people over, the thing is, these people should be begging from under a bridge, not from inside a Lambo.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 00:56:56 No. 89169
>>89145
Because my fursona is a karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon
>>89161
If you didn't want to get reported to the IRS, perhaps you shouldn't have started a business in what should be a hobbyist community and then engaged in tax evasion.
>>89159
>And they are definitely not in a high wealth/income percentile if they're an artist for a living.
A dangerously errant assumption. Furries on the whole tend to come from backgrounds of above-average income. The reason they seem poor is because they incur high costs like rent or because their cashflow control is terrible.
The opportunity to become an artist as a poor person has been on a declining slope for a while.
▶ sage Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 01:02:40 No. 89170
>>89162
>I'll openly and happily admit it is indeed just to fuck these people over, the thing is, these people should be begging from under a bridge, not from inside a Lambo.
Fair enough. I'll accept that honnest answer.
>there are at least 2 furries in the top 0.01% of income, doing stuff that wouldn't net them a real job in their respective fields ...
I'd like to know who these people earning close to 10 million per year, supposedly through art are.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 03:06:40 No. 89175 >>89190
>>89100
>Someone snitch out Fek and Fenoxo so they end up in jail
>Fek and Fenoxo
>Basically the only two people who actually finish their games
S h i g g y d i g g y
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 03:12:50 No. 89177 >>89190
>>89100
Shut up Cuckfex, you're just ass blasted they're the only ones who finish their games and don't outsource everything.
Plus you and Kabier would get the real heat with all the scams you two have been running.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 04:11:35 No. 89179
Thanks OP! Already reporting every patreon over 400 I can find.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 04:13:59 No. 89181 >>89182
>>89125
$6300? Try $12,000 is the limit at which you MUST report taxes, if you're under the age of 65.
Way to not know WTF you're talking about.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 04:19:41 No. 89182
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 04:56:15 No. 89184 >>89200
I just hope this fucks Zaush over bad, he's long deserved it and since Dragoneer thinks he runs furry he played judge & jury instead of letting the authorities handle that one.
Once the IRS hits him, I hope Chris Hansen then digs into the asshole and ruins him for good.
And fuck Cuntla-Na too, I hope they stick her troublemaking ass in prison for tax evasion.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 09:40:23 No. 89190 >>89217 >>93335
>>89175
>>89177
>Delusional fucking furfags
The lengths you are willing to go to defend your scammers, I swear.
Cuckfex is just a worse at manipulating the people he scams than these two, doesn't mean he's not the third on the list. It's telling how you actually believed I was him.
Their projects have been dragged out so long it's insane how you still believe they're gonna be completed, considering they've been getting 15x the amount of funding the average indie TEAM which actually ships their games gets, for a length of time that is more than double the average indie game takes to be developed when worked on full-time.
Rack 2 will never be completed, because the idiot was arrogant enough to tackle a huge field such as 3dcg without any legitimate prior experience, and now he's stuck, and on top of it, he's too stubborn to realize he fucked up and needs help, and you defend him. He did miss his self-imposed deadline by more than 1 year now, didn't he? And it's even more baffling how you believe "not outsourcing everything" is a good thing.
Just an example, do you know how much it would cost to put together a studio-quality motion capture setup? Not even 2 months of funding. It would solve all his animation problems and he can do everything himself. It's been 3 years and he still tries to animate by hand and fails hard at it. Why? Because he doesn't know where the fuck he's even supposed to begin.
You don't even ask yourself where exactly all that money is going, since it's definitely not going into the game.
If that's not a fucking scam, I don't know what is.
But above all this, there's one fundamental, telling detail: who ever said these two are tax evading? For all we know, they're paying their taxes like they should.
But it's REALLY FUCKING AMAZING how you completely disregarded that and went STRAIGHT to attempt to JUSTIFY LAW-BREAKING on their part, even if it was only an assumption.
So there's two possibilities: you know they're criminals, and defend them, which is baffling, or you believe they're above the law, which is equally baffling. Pick your fucking poison.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 10:25:52 No. 89191
New development: If it's income taxable at the Federal level then ethottery should fall under Sales Taxes too since they're providing a good or service. They could technically receive fines under the BBB on top of that for failing to provide receipts
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 12:59:08 No. 89197
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play. HOW TO REPORT THOT'S STEP BY STEP GUIDE (FIXED)
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 14:42:48 No. 89200 >>89207 >>89215
>>89184
>▶
Is there any proof that Kayla hasn’t paid her taxes?
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 17:04:32 No. 89206
good finally theres some crackdown on the furry fandoms cash cows.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 17:05:16 No. 89207 >>89215
>>89200
didnt kaya die or commit suicide or something. shes on wikifur has having died in 2018 unless the wikifur deaths are a complete joke and nobodys actually dead and it means FANDOM death.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 17:06:23 No. 89208
>>89152
fuck yeah lets hold people accountable for proper tax useage and not cheating the system like everyone else has to.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 18:12:42 No. 89213
Aside from investigating for tax evasion, I hope they look at every cub porn artist that gets reported and decide maybe they need to be investigated for possessing real cp too.
I also expect a shit storm of legal hassles for Zaush if they get wind of him. Good.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 18:16:14 No. 89215 >>89218 >>89224
>>89207
Kayla-La died. Different person. Kayla-Na deliberately copied her name years ago when she stopped going by Mel the Hybrid.
>>89200
Insists on commissions being paid as "gift", married a man only because he had money, and well, she's a troublemaking snob so you can bet on her doing anything to not report this shit. I'd wager a lot of furries don't report either through ignorance that they have to, or because they feel they can get away with it if they remain under Paypal's auto-report threshold.
Now watch. Furries will try to arrange some sort of "cash only" payment in the future- only hangup is getting it into their hands, furries would be dumb to dox themselves with a mailing address.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 18:18:39 No. 89217
>>89190
>you know they're criminals, and defend them, which is baffling, or you believe they're above the law, which is equally baffling.
Hardly baffling when furries have done that to a lot of artists for many years now. They don't want to give up fap material sources(but only for the popufurs- they will gladly run a non-popufur out of the fandom for trivial offenses!) and in many cases they really don't give a shit what the person did, assuming they themselves don't think the criminal act is acceptable.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 18:22:11 No. 89218
>>89215
Oh and she's popufur, about 28K watchers(amazing since she treats people like shit!) I think if she croaked there would have been massive discussion over it.
And a big party. She may have 28K watchers but a lot of people fucking hate her too, she's probably have about 40K if she didn't treat anyone like shit if they didn't lick her ass the correct way. In fact when Kayla-La died most of the comments were "fuck, I thought it was Kayla-Na!"
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 18:25:22 No. 89219 >>89231 >>89234
Pro tip for all aspiring 'artists' and sex workers.
They cant tax you if you give your work away for free.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 19:58:29 No. 89224
>>89215
wow people are fucking original.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 19:59:04 No. 89225
>>89222
yes. but im a canadian so if you need me to go after him or tell other Canadian furries i can pull the trigger.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 20:42:27 No. 89234
>>89219
they also cant tax you if you pay them in cash,
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 20:43:06 No. 89235
>>89072 (OP)
Wait why target sunibee
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 22:33:09 No. 89243 >>89249 >>89250
For all of you 'interested' parties out there who don't want to check the /pol/ threads for info, I'm posting links below.
https://law.freeadvice.com/tax_law/income_tax_law/report_filing_tax_returns.htm
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tax-scams-how-to-report-them?fbclid=IwAR1vYRR9ViLvi6QGnURLgS40qlHFFZILlE8p6DpMPOPkpYilCVIO5a0WEv8
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity?fbclid=IwAR3AKy_urhwxA9rvEioxFETCpCWwwFn-CMWiWiEluVPpqPiBq4cldtYNEwE
https://codepen.io/anon/pen/EOLGOa
https://8ch.net/pol/res/12464119.html
https://8ch.net/pol/res/12461375.html#q12464112
https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/what-is-paypal’s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-sexually-oriented-goods-and-services-faq569
https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-report-potential-fraud-to-paypal-faq2422
If your only want is neetbux and not tax-evading fag tears make sure to check this link out: https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-informant-award
This is the form you have to fill in: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3949a.pdf
Complete Section A(1) and Section B(3,5) and than print it and mail it at Internal Revenue Service Stop 31313 Fresno, CA 93888.
(It's also possible via email).
Your personal info is not required and will not be made public; anybody that says there are consequences for filing a false (or incorrect) report are lying. Be sure to describe and link everything at Section B(5).
https://8ch.net/rwts/catalog.html
If they have over 200 transactions in a year or make at least $20,000 they must file.
If they're claiming as a self-run business, they're only allotted $400 before taxes must be filed.
You DO NOT need their SSN to report.
You DO NOT need to be in their country of residence to report.
You DO NOT need every single bit of information about them, even a phone number or email (especially those related to Patreon/PayPal accounts) will incite a follow-up.
Another guide detailing more if I missed anything: https://internetrevenueservice.com/pages/thot-audit-field-guide/
Happy hunting my /fur/riends!
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 23:45:35 No. 89249
>>89243
thank fucking god someone finally destroyed this shithole of a fandom and there scam artists.
▶ Anonymous 11/26/18 (Mon) 23:46:24 No. 89250
>>89243
but now all the furries will just make multiple accounts and start doing shell corp shit.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 02:53:30 No. 89260
>>89255
why should people have a free pass at life and undercut everyone who works hard and ALSO live off disability making 20gs a year scott free?
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 02:58:14 No. 89261
>>89255
the fandom isn't a fandom, it's a marketplace.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 03:05:43 No. 89262 >>89276
>>89090
>Actually it's always the conservative types that evade taxes
The conservative types don't claim in public that taxes are good, so it's consistent for them to be rebelling against taxes. These SJW types drone on about how we need socialism and taxes and then don't actually pay their own share. People simply don't like hypocrites.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 07:03:36 No. 89276 >>89287
>>89262
There's a good dog! Remember: it's only possible to tax middle-income households, taxing the rich = bad! Now pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get back to work you lazy faggot, or your boss will never be able to afford that 11th Ferrari. By the way he needs you to come in this weekend, and this overtime will be unpaid, don't say no or you're fired. Now repeat after me: "Thank you, job creator!"
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 09:16:21 No. 89280 >>89314
>>89264
Wrong.
It's a way to make this shitty unfair world a little fairer and that affects my happiness in a positive way.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 11:47:28 No. 89287 >>89288 >>89313
>>89276
The problem you're referring to is brought on by us having a severe glut of extra laborers due to unchecked mass immigration. There's too many workers about, meaning employers have no reason to give a shit about them as they're a dime a dozen. The problem isn't capitalism, it's immigration. Take away all the cheap labor and behold as corporations start sucking off their employees in a desperate bid to keep them. This is also orthogonal to concerns about taxation in either direction.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 12:04:23 No. 89288 >>89289
>>89287
you put the cart before the horse, though.
let's accept for argument's sake there is unchecked mass immigration. why?
oh yes, it's because that's one of the multi-pronged attack on labour launched by capital in the 1960s-70s period as the postwar economic consensus on full employment broke down into a wage-price spiral.
there's an excellent thing written by (david harvey?) that i can't find right now that covers this. automation, immigration, outsourcing, anti trade union legislation and other factors were brought together to not only destroy the full employment consensus, but ensure it could not reoccur.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 13:13:49 No. 89289 >>89293 >>89296
>>89288
You're right, it's only part of it, outsourcing and so on are other massive, deadly factors. In fact outsourcing is likely a bigger problem in many industries than the immigration, though both are strictly bad for blue collar workers overall. I'm still not sold on the necessity of unions though, that seems like a bandage trying to stem the bleeding from the other underlying factors. If we had a permanent rolling worker shortage then unions or not corporates would take care of the workers, even if only out of their own self-interest. To me unions are merely an attempt to try and force companies to play pretend that we don't have a glut of workers and that workers are in any way valuable. I'd rather we fixed the underlying problem and put the economy in a better place where the corporates were forced to look after their employees by financial forces rather than legal imposition. I think it would work better because companies have an incentive to skirt laws/unions/etc in the pursuit of profit, but if we engineer a situation where their self-interest and the welfare of their workers coincide then the corporates will suddenly be the single biggest proponents of looking after the working class.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 14:43:19 No. 89293
>>89289
History has demonstrated that there will never be a shortage of workers for 90% of jobs, and even in professions that should respect their workers due to rarity they won't and don't. Industry will happily bleed out and die and take everyone with them if the paycheck is big enough
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 15:55:51 No. 89296 >>89298
>>89289
Working class people don’t have a proponent because they don’t bother to stick up for themselves. At least in the USA, a job is seen as an employer taking pity on a helpless worker and giving them a HUGE gift. After you’re in the door you don’t dare challenge them on shitty pay or insurance or work conditions. How many of you lost health coverage at work recently and just smiled with everyone else and said “well at least I still have a job”?
Unions don’t look out for workers either. They look out for union officials, and they cover the asses of completely incompetent workers who are good at punching a clock, ensuring a supply of minimally competent and minimally invested laborers at a somewhat stable cost.
You have to be able to look your employer in the eye and say what you tell your friends on the weekend. We’re very good at this as a society when it comes to spending our money and demanding quality; we just don’t notice when we’re asked to spend our time and effort in exchange for money.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 16:06:51 No. 89298 >>89311
>>89296
>We’re very good at this as a society when it comes to spending our money and demanding quality; we just don’t notice when we’re asked to spend our time and effort in exchange for money.
when you reformulate this economically it becomes obvious why, though.
Companies have to compete for consumers. They don't generally have to compete for employees, because there's always someone else out there looking for a job.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 19:00:02 No. 89304
>>89251
I thought sunibee wasn't even american.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 20:04:37 No. 89311
>>89298
I don’t dispute that. But it’s irrational to give the Walmart manager an earful of shit for wasting your valuable time and then go back to your job at Target and kiss your own manager’s ass when he tells you you gotta work Sunday or you’re fired. And that’s kinda how we roll, at least in the US.
Companies don’t have to compete to get mindless drones, but they do have to compete to get good employees, and when that happens they skirt the problem with non compete agreements... which we sign because again, we very readily accept the suggestion that we are easily replaced.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 20:28:10 No. 89313 >>89328
>>89287
>US gov't backed by wealthy capitalists funds terror squads and drug cartels in latin america
>regime change and assassination of union leaders and dissidents
>economic policies and outsourcing turns Mexico to shit
>omfg why are all these mexicans leaving their shitty country and coming to the country getting rich off their labour?"
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 20:30:38 No. 89314 >>89327
>>89280
its better to make the world farer then have people scam and thieve and put people on 4 year backlogs for art that they could of done in a week had they any talent.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 21:36:46 No. 89327 >>89329 >>89338
>>89314
Yeah I get that.... but if that is the motive then why not go after the hundreds or thousands of non-furries doing this on Etsy and eBay and craigslist and basically every craft and art site... instead of ten or twenty furries who are making pocket change on drawings and animations?
The way it’s presented makes it look like hurting furries is first, and making something fair is a distant second.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 21:38:05 No. 89328 >>89369
>>89313
I thought they were mainly Guatemalans and Salvadorans.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 21:52:02 No. 89329 >>89332 >>89397
>>89327
furries seeking profit are detrimental to the furry community
people on etsy and ebay are generally just selling crap without being part of a wider community
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 23:20:45 No. 89332 >>89351
>>89329
I find that answer preposterous for multiple reasons. For starters, this has been going on for YEARS, at least that’s how long eBay and Etsy have been announcing their intent to report sales to the IRS. And eBay and Etsy are the main reason the IRS wants this stuff reported, because it’s billions of dollars of income.
Furries, on the other hand, are largely either unemployed or unemployable, or if they have a job they are living hand to mouth or accumulating debt. Yes there are a few who can handle living independently but it’s hardly a microeconomy at all let alone one that would generate any meaningful revenue from taxes.
And really? ALL fursuit makers, artists, designers, authors, and anyone else with a skill to offer... all of those people are a detriment to the fandom?
I think you should forget all this tax nonsense and just join one of the millions of threads hating on furries for what they are. You don’t need to make up logically flawed excuses why they’re bad people. The fandom is full of hate and no one needs an explanation why you feel the same about it.
▶ Anonymous 11/27/18 (Tue) 23:58:20 No. 89336 >>89347
Rich people skimp out on capital gains, income taxes is a poor person's game. People that seriously think upping income taxes on the rich would solve anything are almost always poorfags.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 00:31:14 No. 89338 >>89346 >>89396
>>89327
Half a million dollars a year is not pocket change. If you add the fact that they would be laughed away from any real job in the the same field, even if you took away the furry porn factor, it makes it even more absurd.
So no, I'm going after furries, thank you very much.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 01:50:20 No. 89345
>>89072 (OP)
> People like Zaush, Jasonafex, Sunibee, every popufur you can imagine, they probably tax evade to some extent and they are liable. This is huge.
>tfw all popufurs get sent to jail for tax evasion
>tfw thi fandom will be something other than utter shit for the first time in a long time
what a time to be alive
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 01:52:55 No. 89346 >>89348
>>89338
eBay volume was $10 billion last year. Next to that it kinda is pocket change. Is that a reliable figure? I don’t know where it came from.
Furries have historically failed to understand the media biz. It’s heavily organized. You get into jobs like that doing shit work, like tweening. Stuff that gets outsourced to Asia or done by computers by most big houses. It doesn’t matter at all in Hollywood if you’ve made six figures on FA the last three years. And with a million billion full sail grads waiting in line to do the same job for $15-$20 an hour so they can pile up six to a $2500/mo studio apartment, is it even worth fighting for?
Another problem is that the glamorous jobs that everyone wants, like making outfits for Nick or animating a video game hero... are by far the worst jobs in Hollywood. All the good money is in doing horrible tv spots and short form web content for interstitial ads. So after you blow all the money at full sail you find out you are better off working at Walmart (and there’s a lotta FS grads working for Walmart!)
And a lot of furries work at Walmart, too, and in IT and security and all kinds of job fields. But the ones that have serious art careers don’t really have time to have a serious other career.
I dunno, all of the arguments in this thread seem really stupid to me, and that makes them look like thinly-veiled judgments against furries in general, and like I said there’s nothing wrong with that! You don’t have to try to make some kind of scientific claim that a handful of furries are a threat. It makes you sound like Hitler or Rick Santorum or something.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 01:58:30 No. 89347 >>89359
>>89336
Most Americans don’t understand taxes and should not be allowed to vote on fiscal policy. Taxing upper class income only makes it harder for the middle class to build wealth.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 01:59:44 No. 89348
>>89346
I don't get how all of that ties into the fact that the fandom overpays the shit out of talentless retards whose real job should be begging from under a bridge.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 03:19:26 No. 89351 >>89364 >>89365
>>89332
>Furries, on the other hand, are largely either unemployed or unemployable,
Memetic. Let me guess, they're all basement dwelling autists too? So long as loathing for this fandom fails to progress beyond the tired stereotypes of 2007, people will be deprived of the tools to explain why furries are increasingly accepted. In the bank, in a fox, money talks.
>or if they have a job they are living hand to mouth or accumulating debt
Also wrong. A particularly misguided impression created by the fact that furries are generally not capital constrained and so can safely make irresponsible disposable income choices. The only way this viewpoint could be justified is by including the fandom equivalent of lurkers (people who browse e621 and never talk about it to anyone and feel ashamed) to drag the population distribution closer to the average for their age group. The primary debts of note are student loans. Those with limited money-capital are almost inevitably still those with higher than average social or human capital.
>ALL fursuit makers, artists, designers, authors, and anyone else with a skill to offer... all of those people are a detriment to the fandom?
If they ask for money for goods and services, yes. They take what should be a community that fosters individual creativity and giving things your best effort and turn it into a community where the primary expectation is to give money to someone more talented than you. Those with capital, human, money or otherwise, are immediately set at an advantage over the rest and what should be a community of equals becomes intensely stratified. Not just in terms of rich versus poor in a simple hierarchy, but also America versus the world once you factor in exchange rates.
That's not a communist view, I'm not saying real life shouldn't be like that and that everyone should stop buying and selling, but there's no reason for internet communities to be like this. Imageboards aren't. Videogames, movies, comics and cartoon fandoms by and large aren't thanks to massive piracy. Furry rivals only findom and a few dire videogames (usually popular with furries!) for being a constant cash sink.
>and just join one of the millions of threads hating on furries for what they are
That doesn't have the potential for cathartic and amusing twitter screenshots of someone crying about having to hand over cash to people who'll put it to better uses, like a third Iraq war. Why complain when you can act? he says massively hypocritically because he's just watching the thread and hasn't reported anyone. I'm not particularly interested in defending it in terms of 'right' and 'wrong', but in a view more akin to 'everything is bad, let's shake it and see what happens'
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 04:55:12 No. 89359 >>89472
>>89347
>Most Americans don’t understand anything and should not be allowed to vote
There I fixed it. It's been a long time since I still had any faith in democracy as a system.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 06:24:03 No. 89364 >>89367
>>89351
>>ALL fursuit makers, artists, designers, authors, and anyone else with a skill to offer... all of those people are a detriment to the fandom?
>If they ask for money for goods and services, yes. They take what should be a community that fosters individual creativity and giving things your best effort and turn it into a community where the primary expectation is to give money to someone more talented than you.
GTFO commie tard. Draw your own art if you want free gibs. Poor artists can't afford to give away their time or art.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 06:33:02 No. 89365 >>89367
>>89351
>If they ask for money for goods and services, yes. They take what should be a community that fosters individual creativity and giving things your best effort and turn it into a community where the primary expectation is to give money to someone more talented than you. Those with capital, human, money or otherwise, are immediately set at an advantage over the rest and what should be a community of equals
ah yes I forgot about the amazing property of drawing that creates physical food and shelter when you perform it
seriously though this is by far the most unironically entitled thing I've ever read in my entire life, if you really think your sparkledog deserves to be drawn for free, you maybe should consider suicide or learning how to draw it yourself instead of being a lazy faggot that expects instant gratification for their ideas.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 06:36:56 No. 89367 >>89368 >>89372
>>89364
ah yes, i remember when you had to pay for (you)s on /pol/, that's how it works right?
>>89365
>ah yes I forgot about the amazing property of drawing that creates physical food and shelter when you perform it
if you can tell me how i can get paid for posting on imageboards, i'd be glad to hear it. :^)
>if you really think your sparkledog deserves to be drawn for free
no, you reprobate fucking moron, this is the problem with the furry mindset.
i want everyone to draw their own sparkledogs. that's the point. i expect everyone to be creative themselves. this is an idea so alien to you that you had to jump to the assumption that if i don't want to have people pay for something, i must want it to be done for me for free.
drink bleach and die.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 06:45:47 No. 89368
>>89367
I apologize for the confusion, if that were the case, I wholeheartedly agree. But for different reasons. People convey their ideas better when they can see precisely what they want; I think the overall purity of an idea is completely impacted by the person who is putting it to physical form. Ideally, the best person to put an idea to paper would be the person with said idea.
However, not everyone has the time, skill, or physical capacity to draw for themselves. Therefore I have no problem with people spending money to help someone convey an idea, the compensation is only fair. To say that someone has an "advantage" over someone else because they have more money, and therefore, more ability to buy, sounds more like a fox and the grapes sentiment than anything else.
Before you go off on me, I've drawn nearly all my own OC before getting someone with actual skill to do it, and personally I don't think I did a terrible job I just have issues with proportions and drawing on larger scales
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 07:05:24 No. 89369
>>89328
It hit them hard too. Burgerclaps fucked everything south of themselves hard
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 08:50:14 No. 89372 >>89373
>>89367
Not everyone can draw. Obviously everyone in a creative hobby should create but what do the specialists do? It's hard enough getting people to do comissions when they're getting paid for it, when the money leaves what then? The only issue I have with the fandom in its current state is people getting priced out and popularity being tied to income, I think there's a balance to be found there instead of banning money completely.
▶ Bonanza, The Incredible Flying Pig 11/28/18 (Wed) 08:56:08 No. 89373
>>89372
>when the money leaves what then?
Then we have a fandom for anthropomorphics filled with level headed people who make for pleasant conversation.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 19:26:18 No. 89396 >>89418
>>89338
who the fuck is making half a million dollars in the furry fandom?
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 19:31:02 No. 89397 >>89411 >>93377
>>89329
people looking for money in the furry fandom is no different then deviant art. but its not detrimental to the community you just want your easy money back. the furry fandom is the love of antroporophics and people for long have take advantage of peoples good will and nice demeanor and willingess to pay for something expecting it quickly. when you are a popular artist and you put people on backlocks and shit that goes years and years how talented are you really? when is the line drawn do we continue to allow scamming and corruption or do we work to restore the fandom to its friendly inclusive safe space without all the sexual rape pedophillia BS? what do you want money and more unhappyness as a whole or less money and more happyness and more acceptance from the maintstream media. we were at a point where even disney made zootopia into a movie and people ruined it by making porn so now there will never be another zootopia just like people ruined zabivaka a fucking mascot for a country that count potentially nuke or ass into porn.
YEAH anime has porn guess what anime also has millions and millions of shows whens the last time a furry movie besides zootopia came out in modern times in mainstream appeal none whatsoever.
so the disparity is large and huge compared to other fandoms of having nothing in mainstream and ive seen SFW furry animations its nothing id want to sit down and go hey man pop in a bunch of furrys on SL raving volume 1 again man lets watch that that sounds inherently fun to waste an hour doing,.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 19:45:48 No. 89399
>>89393
price fixing is only acceptable if the price is fixed at '0'
remember that the point of this is to make artists create only things they would create voluntarily, not to give everyone free art from good artists.
if the fandom was more fractured across the english speaking world that would unambiguously be a. good. thing. though
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 21:16:48 No. 89411 >>89413
>>89397
I agreed with the beginning of what you wrote. But not the rest.
>without all the sexual rape pedophillia BS
As any fandom grows, the probability of some whack-job or criminal being in said fandom increases. It's nothing special. The furry fandom just happens to be comparatively large, with extremely blurry, vague lines separating members and non-members. You're just over reacting to the latest drama.
>even disney made zootopia into a movie and people ruined it by making porn so now there will never be another zootopia
Last time I checked, this is false. No official sources mentioned cancellation of that project. And Zootopia made lots of money, so you can bet it will get one maybe two sequels and or a TV series. Delaying release dates of movies is not a new concept.
Concerning porn, that's only a matter of opinion and feelings. Disney has no affiliation with the porn of their characters. So just like pokemon, they just have to turn a blind eye to the mountains of smut, and everything becomes alright. I may remind you that rule 34 exists.
>whens the last time a furry movie besides zootopia came out in modern times in mainstream appeal none whatsoever.
Talking animals doing human-esque things in animation is pretty common place. Their degree of human physiology varies wildly. But that doesn't matter, as they are still anthropomorphized either way, and can contort their body to do impossible feats relevant to the story.
-The Lion King (2019)
-Detective Pikachu (2019)
-Peter Rabbit (2018)
-Isle of Dogs (2018)
-Smallfoot (2018)
-Ferdinand (2017)
-Paddington 2 (2017)
-Sing (2016)
-The Secret Life of Pets (2016)
-Finding Dory (2016)
-Storks (2016)
-Kung Fu Panda 3 (2016)
-The Good Dinosaur (2015)
-Shaun the Sheep Movie (2015)
-Regular Show: The Movie (2015)
+some others that were either older, I didn't feel like adding, I didn't think were popular in the US, or had 'meh' reviews
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 21:27:47 No. 89413 >>89414 >>89415
>>89411
no the pedo and zoophile problem has been a problem since as far back as 2010 if i can remember and you named like 10 plus movies i can name like 3000 animes that all exist right now in the same time and era. your also snipped my entire quote to fit your own mantra and thats not what i said at all.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 21:44:31 No. 89414
>>89413
>no the pedo and zoophile problem has been a problem since as far back as 2010
The year 2010 is not far in the past at all.
>and you named like 10 plus movies i can name like 3000 animes that all exist right now in the same time and era.
I don't doubt you could name 30000 anime series that are on-going. They're a dime a dozen. I was aiming for furry movies that had "mainstream appeal" as there are significantly more than "none whatsoever." And more without "mainstream appeal." You're even comparing movies to TV series.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 21:57:15 No. 89415 >>89417
>>89413
Another thing. Have you even seen how much hentai there is?
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 22:02:07 No. 89417 >>89432
>>89415
People distinguish between Anime and Hentai in a way that nobody bothers to do with openly furry works, even when said works are SFW.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 22:22:14 No. 89418 >>89420
>>89396
patreon.com/fenoxo
patreon.com/fek
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 22:36:41 No. 89420 >>89421
>>89418
wow and are they tax evading?
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 22:50:57 No. 89421 >>89429
>>89420
Most likely.
But hey, the IRS can run a check on them just to be sure.
That's what this thread is for, right?
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 22:52:20 No. 89422 >>89425
>>89072 (OP)
>This includes Patreon furries as well, so this is relevant news to this board
...But Patreon already takes the tax when they give you the money, right?
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 22:58:18 No. 89425 >>89426
>>89422
Only their cut, iirc.
Handling 190+ different tax laws for each country Patreon accounts can be registered in the would be too much to handle.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 23:08:49 No. 89426 >>89431
>>89425
Just read their Q&A. They don't take tax money, but they give indications on what forms to fill and whatnot. So basically you have to do everything yourself.
Btw, does anybody knows how this works on countries where the tax is "automatic"? I've seen some latam patreon furries flipping their shit on twitter about this, but I'm not really sure how that works.
▶ Anonymous 11/28/18 (Wed) 23:59:27 No. 89429
>>89421
welp hope they get taxed out the ass hard.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:24:12 No. 89431 >>89433 >>89436
>>89426
So basically nobody has ever paid any tax ever on Patreon checks. Especially not furries.
So, someone from the US come the fuck on and report these turbo kikes already. Do eet.
Ffs you don't want someone from the other side of the pond to burn a winning lotto ticket for a burger furry.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:24:23 No. 89432 >>89439
>>89417
Furries haven't bothered to separate lewd and non lewd art from a cultural perspective, it makes sense nobody else would.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:27:39 No. 89433
>>89431
yes I do. i want furries to be tax accordingly nobody should have a free ride when it comes to money. theres people that actually work hard for there cash an then theres furries who sit in IT all day and talk on skype yiffing and uwu making 80k doing jack shit or sitting on disability gaming the system by not reporting there income making my taxes pay for your free ride. while you collect boatloads of free cash at the expense of hard working people.
its fucked.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:31:42 No. 89434 >>89435 >>89437 >>89438 >>89440
A lot of people believe some things shouldn’t be taxed. We just don’t have the sort of government where you get to pick those things.
So it’s really difficult for me for example... to get angry when someone gets a well-deserved leg up on Uncle Sam. I’d be taking advantage of it if I could draw or make something everybody wanted and I’d encourage anyone else to. It hasn’t been costing me anything all this time.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:39:29 No. 89435 >>89464
>>89434
you hurt the economy and funding by avoiding even paying the simplext of tax because it turns into one and then hundres of people and then people wonder why theres a huge debt because of alot of things but its because of mismanagement of money and people like whats going on here.
so if you dont like it regardless its happening.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:42:08 No. 89436
>>89431
>So basically nobody has ever paid any tax ever on Patreon checks.
Pretty much. But there are a LOT of non-american furfags on Patreon, so I don't know if the same laws apply for them. Maybe you can report overseas furfags for the same thing?
At least we know the korean ones would actually get heavily fined/arrested for drawing porn in the first place.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:47:24 No. 89437 >>89466
>>89434
>A lot of people believe some things shouldn’t be taxed. We just don’t have the sort of government where you get to pick those things.
the irony
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:55:44 No. 89438
>>89434
>if I could draw
You can't hold a pencil?
Because that's the extent of the skills of the average furry "artist".
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 00:57:32 No. 89439
>>89432
That's true and it's one of the reasons furry is completely worthless as a fandom for anthropomorphics.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 01:02:16 No. 89440
>>89434
>A lot of people believe some things shouldn’t be taxed.
>We just don’t have the sort of government where you get to pick those things.
Thank fucking god nobody wants to follow Sweden's steps.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 03:51:41 No. 89464
>>89435
Don’t confuse
A: paying taxes is good and avoiding them is antisocial
With
B: All taxes are not by definition fair or justified or necessary
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 03:55:08 No. 89466 >>89467
>>89437
It kinda is. But you know what I mean. We influence government mainly thru representatives. They are in the pockets of lobbies. When the rare opportunity to vote on an important law comes along it’s an all or nothing deal with 300 other shitty laws we don’t want.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 04:18:58 No. 89467
>>89466
the goverment and the people are trying to cut down on money through lobbyists at the state level once that happens there will be less influence and the only place theY can go is the federal level which will be a big win because states can be themselves now.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 06:07:10 No. 89471 >>89477
>this happens right when Trump is demanding billions in US taxpayer dollars to build his wall OR ELSE
No surprise.
>we have to tax the poor more even though they can't afford it! Higher taxes on people who own 5 mansions is just not fair! How will Gene Simmons handle paying a full 3% of his worth? He already loses entire PENNIES to music piracy! How can he buy another Rolls Royce if you increase taxes on the rich ever so slightly?
This is why the rich can go fuck themselves.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 06:13:54 No. 89472
>>89359
>implying voting matters
Voting is like watching movies in theaters. The final results they post don't have to match what people liked because they'll report whatever results they please.
>sure this person got the most votes, no no we're not sticking in a puppet
>absolutely this movie that got bad reviews made a billion dollars! Michael Bay is a real success!
This only happens in the US, the dishonesty from those in charge. Elsewhere it won't fly.
Seriously go look up "Hollywood accounting". It's nasty shit. Big successes are written off as "flops" to avoid paying writers royalties and we have no clue what movies actually make, funny how a lot of big name films tend to magically bomb so the MPAA can scream "we need more anti piracy laws", and piracy is almost always blamed for movies doing poorly.
That shit flies in Hollywood alone, you think the electoral process and politics aren't doing the same? We don't need Russian interference to fuck the system and place puppets in power.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 07:05:15 No. 89477 >>89576
>>89471
I love being called a socialist over wanting fair taxation.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 07:34:00 No. 89480
Furry artist here
I pay my taxes but here's ways to suspect they probably don't
>no commission queue
>no mention of deadlines
>no professional wording
>no terms of service
>posting political shit to twitter
These are all signs that someone has got into commissions because they saw other furries doing it and don't realize that it's a business they're running and should be treated professionally
And the number one way to tell if they're tax evading:
>takes commissions through friends and family section of paypal
This is almost by definition tax evasion, they're accepting PAYMENT for a SERVICE as if it's gift so it's not considered income
Alot of them aren't doing it maliciously, they're amatuers, they don't know anything about taxes let alone that they have to contact their governments and register as self employed, even if you told them they had to pay taxes they would just patiently wait for a tax return to show up in the mail
There are many furry artists that do know what they're doing though and honestly it's very likely that people like Fek, Jasonafex, MilesDF and the top fursuit makers are paying their taxes, they're very well connected and some of them even have mortgages, you don't get there by being legally unemployed
https://www.dropbox.com/s/de3mg0nvjyft1pa/Art%20as%20a%20Business.pdf?dl=0
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 09:37:01 No. 89485 >>89488 >>89503 >>89576
Tell me /fur/, which furry artist would you report to the IRS?
Who do you think deserves it the most and why?
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 11:26:19 No. 89488
>>89485
None of them. They’re not bothering me at all.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 16:22:29 No. 89503
>>89485
The ones that only open for commissions and use a lottery style process to see if you're a: lucky enough to get a slot and b: if they even will take on your character.
Fuck those people
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 20:34:48 No. 89514 >>89529
>>89072 (OP)
>Wanting to pay taxes to the IRS
>Tfw poor as hell and need every penny to stay alive
No way fag i don't own them nothing the government never has done nothing for me but screw me over many times so what do i care.
▶ Anonymous 11/29/18 (Thu) 23:39:32 No. 89529
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 14:42:41 No. 89575
Zaush is going to prison.
I can guarantee you that 95% of furries who get investigated will because they blow the money right away. Why else do so many "rich" furs raking it in always beg for rent money? They can't pay what they owe, they can get used to ass rape.
>implying many of them won't desire it, "happy like a faggot in jail"
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 14:45:50 No. 89576 >>89588 >>89609 >>89648
>>89485
>baaw women won't fuck me for free, I hate them so much
Maybe if you didn't buy every fucking Darth Vader toy they make, you'd have money for hookers
>>89477
"Fair taxation" would see celebrities paying a shitload more than they do. If you own 5 houses and 30 cars, you can pay more taxes, instead of demanding tax breaks and making single parents with 3 jobs pay more.
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 17:08:08 No. 89588 >>89609
>>89576
yeah theres no reason celeberties need to own 5 houses that they dont use with more rooms then they can fill. why dont they start using that property and renting out the rooms to middle class and the less fortunate and shit and give people the taste of there high life and just move there 30 cars to one property.
the rich really should be taxed more? why because they have all this excess wealth they are just literally wasting on things? sure it sucks to have to pay more but by giving an extreme break the rich and business who will do nothing to help there own workers and line there own pockets isnt really helping this economy but had the president worded it like that it woudl have never passed.
theres so many loop holes that only benefit the ultra wealthy and make them richer it makes people like me someone from the middle class who works hard for what 28 a year? and pay no tax have to fucking pay out the ass just so i can get a decent wage when taxes come around? its a control thing I tell you.
this country parades around its wealthy so it can seem like its wealthy when its no better then a collage student living in a shitty single dorm drowning in debt. this country is a joke and needs to get its act together theres so many ways for people to cheat the system tax wise is hurting the economy and the middleclass/ bottom end who hold up this entire country
theres a great quote going around that i like to quote when talking about economics:
" I started a seminar for 900 people, out of that seminar x amount listedn x amount left and at the end of it says 11 of those people made me a millionare"
the whole system of a job itself is a pyramid scene and im not knocking people who start a business do well and get rich you deserve that but for jeff besos and fucking ever billionare to horde money that there not doing anything with is sickening. that money could be going to our economy and paying down the 200 trillion fucking dollar debt we have constantly going on.
and this little bit is a big deal because all the taxes these people owed most likely 90% of them will just file for bankruptcy and force the american people the hard working tax paying abiding people to shoulder that debt once again like the selfish man children they are.
i mean fucking look at MFF right now its an autistic daycare.
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 17:47:20 No. 89591 >>89592
>>89590
more "stop trying to monetarise the internet if you aren't going to do even the basic due diligence of legal compliance"
▶ Your mom 11/30/18 (Fri) 17:54:47 No. 89592 >>89595
▶ Your mom 11/30/18 (Fri) 17:55:09 No. 89593
>>89590
wow, people make mistakes but not paying the money you owe is not right at all.
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 18:01:16 No. 89595 >>89599
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 18:22:09 No. 89599 >>89601
>>89595
*looks in dictionary* yeah lets use the alternative of a word we could just convey easier by using the regular version.
but im a banker so lets use money terms.
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 18:33:54 No. 89601
>>89599
*looks in dictionary* yeah lets use the alternative of a word we could just convey easier by using the regular version.
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 19:49:06 No. 89603
▶ Anonymous 11/30/18 (Fri) 22:53:27 No. 89609 >>89660 >>89661
>>89588
>>89576
Fuck off commie
▶ sage sage 12/01/18 (Sat) 05:08:13 No. 89632 >>89663
tbhimo
The Great Depression 2: Electric Boogaloo is probably just around the corner. More and more parallels between the present and The Roaring Twenties keep arising.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 08:27:21 No. 89648 >>89659 >>91243
>>89576
>"Wahh! Taxation on sex work is misogyny! You just want free sex!"
Protip: Defending random whores you have never seen irl ain't gonna give you free sex either, milord.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 17:22:13 No. 89659
>>89648
murrsuit pornstars are better.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 17:29:19 No. 89660 >>89662
>>89609
>everyone I don't like is a communist
You are an emotional child.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 17:31:13 No. 89661
>>89609
no way dude too much poverty you included.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 17:31:36 No. 89662
>>89660
i was going to respond to this.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 18:01:05 No. 89663 >>89668
>>89632
The next depression will be the opposite of the first one. Instead of companies demanding college degrees for menial jobs, industry will stagnate because the labor market is filled with idiots who can’t function without google and YouTube and who think they deserve ten times the minimum wage.
▶ sage sage 12/01/18 (Sat) 19:02:08 No. 89667
>89663
If you know absolutely nothing about history or economics, you only had to say so.
▶ Anonymous 12/01/18 (Sat) 19:06:37 No. 89668
>>89663
well if everything wasnt so fucking expensive because even the people who own rental properties are greedy and want 3 grand a month in a decent area with access to things for a one bedroom apartment is highway robbery. there should be a min a a max that each bedroom apartment should be able to be rented for not charging the price of a fucking house mortage payment forcing me to live in some ghetto shit sticks or the middle of nowhere with no jobs.
▶ Anonymous 12/06/18 (Thu) 15:32:56 No. 90226 >>91242
>>89090
>Trump
>is a conservative
Fucking kek'd
>Conservatives evade taxes
Projection: A common trait typically found in liberals, left-wing types, and narcissists.
▶ Anonymous 12/13/18 (Thu) 21:18:09 No. 90996
so did anything come about of this
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 04:27:52 No. 91194 >>91196
>be amerimutt
>get money stolen by your government at gunpoint so that government officials can purchase more tax-exempt solid gold houses in a nice californian county that costs millions of dollars and send 3billion a year in military aid to israel
>see people who are evading the thieving government
<aw hell no, if im gonna get my money stolen, then so is everyone else
<schadenfreude motherfucker
>defending income tax
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 04:35:17 No. 91196
>>91194
The IRS is underfunded severely, apparently. There was a TRR Stream about it; the reason there's such a high reward is because the IRS would collapse if everybody in the US (though it would require employers not to automatically withhold) decided "Fuck taxes". The tax paying population is so large and spread out that the government wouldn't have the resources to collect and would run out of tax funding to expand the IRS to collect.
Of course, there's a prisoner's dilemma and also anyone who actively attempted to unite any sizeable amount of the US to not pay taxes would get that other thing they say you can't escape, so people don't bother, nor is it recommended to try.
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 08:03:13 No. 91206 >>91225
>>89072 (OP)
No one is more backstabbing or feels more entitled than gay furries. this should be interdasting
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 15:38:12 No. 91225 >>91226 >>91244
>>91206
>gay
>furries
So just furries then?
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 15:57:53 No. 91226 >>91244
>>91225
i love how people have to use anti gay movement words like gay furries like its just gay furries.
why not all furries? all furries gay straight or otherwise have been gaming the system for a decade on tax loopholes and other shitty bs
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 16:53:10 No. 91238
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 17:16:54 No. 91242
>>90226
Stop telling obvious lies.
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 17:20:45 No. 91243 >>93350
>>89648
Protip- fuckers like AlphaOmegaSin, The Quartering and ComicArtistPro Secrets on Youtube are not doing actual work by raking right-wing rant videos, nor do they deserve ad revenue or Patreon for it. They are getting paid to be lazy angry fuckers who do ot contribute, and you know they are not paying taxes, so I reported them and others like them. Sex workers do more actual work than people you agree with. Fuck you.
I hope they go to prison, or get antsy and end up shot by the cops, would serve society well.
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 17:22:39 No. 91244 >>91256
>>91225
>>91226
The myth that gays would enjoy prison isn't true at all- ass rape is used as a form of violence and control, not sex. You go in asking people to buttfuck you and they'll beat you to death.
▶ Anonymous 12/15/18 (Sat) 19:01:01 No. 91256
>>91244
yeah gays dont operate like that, its only the fetish community of the gay community that acts like that and thats like 2% of all homosexuals.
also great face. everyone has a fetish not just gays homosexuals have a fetish bisexual has a fetish and every heterosexual guy is a little bisexual because when you jerk off to porn your watching a guys cock go in and out of a pussy your not looking at the girl oh no your watching that thick meaty juicy cock go an in out of that girl making comments like
:Man look how big his dick is" and what not.
all heterosexual men are a little closeted, pegging inherently thought to be as straight is just exploration because straight men are too afraid and prideful to take a dick up the ass.
lets not get me started on hetero zoos who take animal cocks but fuck only human females.. lol..
▶ Anonymous 12/17/18 (Mon) 22:53:35 No. 91613 >>93353
▶ Anonymous 01/10/19 (Thu) 11:23:29 No. 93335
>>89190
>Based.
Furry community is Bernie resistism at it's finest.
▶ Anonymous 01/10/19 (Thu) 18:51:38 No. 93341
Some would argue that there is no such thing as “homosexual” or “bisexual.”
If you grow up and fall in love with a girl and get married and have kids and die at the end of a long happy life, are you straight? Or did you just happen to fall in love with someone of the typical gender? Or does it not matter at all what kind of person you prefer to have sex with? Hmmmm...
▶ Anonymous 01/10/19 (Thu) 21:52:33 No. 93350
>>91243
Doesn't Quarterpounder have a "real" job? I heard it mentioned before.
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 00:16:16 No. 93351
>/pol/
>red text
So nothing important happened or will happen, and I can disregard. Thanks. Now go home and stay there.
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 00:55:16 No. 93353 >>93385
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 16:04:11 No. 93377
>>89397
>without all the sexual rape pedophillia BS
There's always been a small subset of fucking creeps in the fandom. It's never been as large as people think, and it isn't growing.
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 18:44:50 No. 93385
>>93353
#FurryFinancialFarce
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 21:09:08 No. 93388 >>93389 >>93394
Has anyone actually done anything? Do we even have enough info to turn anyone in?
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 21:41:57 No. 93389
>>93388
nope because furries all protect themselves and make sure even the most illegal activities of people get away scavthed freely uwu cuz the internte is bullie
▶ Anonymous 01/11/19 (Fri) 23:08:11 No. 93394
>>93388
>Has anyone actually done anything?
Probably.
>Do we even have enough info to turn anyone in?
Probably not. If anyone has hard evidence, go for it. Otherwise, it's really just trying to complicate lives because people think it's funny. It's a milder, but legally loosely-equivalent version of "swatting."