/fur/ - Furry★

How about not having a political thread? We have a Russian thread instead...

>>80782 (OP)

>Karl Popper

god damn why do furries have to be such fucking pseuds, it's embarrassing. I wish I could put my finger on it, it's like childishly trying to import credibility from anywhere they can. Oh, we're in movies, we're in books, we sell lots of stuff we're quoting le tolerance man. They couldn't even dig up someone interesting, some old dead french or english guy who cut heads off or stole tea while talking about the virtue of liberty, no, it's got to be the most reddit-infographic cliche quote they could dig up on the subject. I'd put money on the fact they got the quote from that fucking infographic on tolerance, you know the one. What's next year's cliche going to be: First they came for the furries? They don't have to worry, I'll speak up - if only to tell the police about the rats in the loft.

>Eurofurence is about being who we are and no government, no politician and definitely no internet hate mob is going to take that away from us.

This rubs me the wrong way as well. As though some politician is going to try to stop you being a furry. It's a nonsense fantasy, the kind of dystopia people dream of after being assigned 1984 in English class, completely out of touch with the modern world. It isn't politicians who stop you from "being yourself". In the internet age, it's a much more confusing concoction of other people, cultural norms and market forces that stand in the way of self actualisation, something which raises all sorts of interesting questions. That will of course by why furry will never touch on them, because the fandom has the social consciousness and introspective capabilities of a Tekno puppy.

I'm not even mad, just disappointed. Really what I'm trying to say is that it's 100 euro to go to Eurofurence when I could get 6 litres of vodka for that price so I think I'll pass.

>>80795

>You're an adult now (I hope), so act like it.

That's another mindset that would kill off the entire furry fandom.

>>80783

Who posts these threads? Are there unironic antifa retards on here?

>>80800

Why would an antifa person be posting the pro-Antifa conbook and articles in a thread where the topic is to laugh at the drama of the whole thing? Think this through for a minute.

>>80801

There's retards on twitter who unironically believe in that garbage. Don't blame me for having a little bit of skepticism.

>>80782 (OP)

Ugh. I've said it once before, but I'll say it again. Of course, the only reason you would oppose these badges is because you're a Nazi, right? No.

It fuels that paranoia, fear and hysteria. If you follow Twitter, the Antifa furs love to exaggerate the 'Nazi problem' in the fandom. Most furs aren't even aware of alleged Nazi problem, AltFurry, Furry Raiders and whatnot.

>"What do you mean, 'Nazi furs'?

>"Yeah so the fandom right now suffers a huge Nazi infestation, they catch and indoctrinate children into Nazism, they are armed and dangerous and if you rub them up the wrong way they will find and kill you and your entire family. So here take this badge."

>"...o-okay..."

>>80856

>most of its cells have shown themselves to be ardent marxists

Most of them couldn't tell you the opening lines of the communist manifesto*, let alone "ardent marxists." They're all LARPers, nobody has the time to actually read Marx nowadays. Everyone loves to fall into this belief that their opponents are actually ideologically coherent. Even where modern antifa are vaguely coherent, they're anarchists. But even that doesn't matter because they're a LARP organisation in a foreign country. Manchildren are by nature incapable of serious politics. Everyone wants to imagine that someone out there has a real serious and coherent ideology. They don't. Everyone is bluffing.

*you're thinking "oh, what an odd purity test", but it's not an odd purity test. "A spectre is haunting Europe --- the spectre of communism." is a line anyone should be familiar with. Not being familiar with it is like being a Christian who thinks "Let there be light." was said by Thomas Edison. and if you want to tunnel more into obscurity, it gets even weirder because the communist manifesto is only really culturally interesting to Marxists. 90% of it is made up of an irrelevant electoral-type program for the 1800s - like "The Labour Manifesto" in Britain, just a temporary program rather than the defining "Once you have these you've got communism" - or factional shitflinging with socialist groups that have been dead longer than Marx. Communists only go on about it because it's got the shortest explanation of the whole Proletarian/Bourgeoisie divide and because despite all the irrelevant information it's still about the shortest coherent thing Marx wrote. So it's sort of like how to be a Christian you've gotta have Genesis, but if you've only read Genesis you're probably an Athiest who picked the bible up to see what all the fuss was about and got bored once the begats started hitting you.

What I'm saying is, lol at furry politics.

>>80860

What exactly did he do? Been browsing through Twitter but nobody seems to be sure.

>>80872

isn't this the esports guy

how could you play battlefield 1942 (the only worthwhile fps) without nazis? well most of my favourite levels are against the japanese but still.

>>80868

He's dumb, but the people who think that he'll form a third reich are even more dumber.

>>80872

Pretty disappointing that people get their entire political insight from a gay twitter retard.

>>80868

>The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88--352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark civil rights and US labor law in the United States that outlaws discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

Not even a lawyer, but which one of these protects your "right" not to be discriminated against for being a furfag? Does everyone in this fandom have a persecution complex?

>>80880

He plays fightan games like Street Fighter, not shootan games.

>>80886

The whole thing started because at some furry convention Foxler rented out all the hotel rooms causing attendees to have to go move further to out of the way hotels or to sleep in their cars, and some had no plans so they had to cancel their plans to visit the furcon, etc. while Foxler gave a few of the rented-out rooms to his friends and left the rest of the rooms unoccupied. Sure you can argue that he rented the hotel rooms so it's his right not to occupy them but you gotta admit it's a real dick move.

>>80891

Thanks for clarifying. Foxler is an idiotic edgy dickhead, but people are hating him for all of the wrong reasons. There's no need for them to lie that he's a Nazi, they could just say that he was a troll who intentionally disrupts conventions to get attention.

>>80784

>Who fights Nazis better?

Can I vote for Stalin?

>>80784

>fighting nazis equals whining at them really hard on twitter these days

This is an insult to everyone who fucking fought and died (fighting or not) to the actual nazis, I hope these fuckers get taught a lesson just for that, Jesus fucking Christ. This con allegedly takes place in fucking Germany, you'd think they'd have SOME perspective on the subject.

One thing I've been wondering lately is what are the actual requirements for being a Nazi?

I suppose anyone currently getting called a Nazi is more being referred to as a Neo-Nazi, because it's not like there are very many people left who align to Hitler's political and racial ideals simultaneously.

Is glorifying Nazi aesthetic enough to be called a Nazi, even if you dislike their ideas?

it's always the same thing with these people. oh, we're so inclusive, we don't like nazis or homophobes. la dee da, nobody likes nazis or homophobes. every prison gang that isn't aryan nation hates nazis christ, half the people enforcing segregation in the south hated Nazis in WW2. Hypocrites, maybe, but that's how low the bar is. Hating Nazis is the default, it's not an achievement at all, it's LARPing. how about doing something concrete for the dispossessed of furry, like staging a stalinist purge of all the rich kids and a five year plan for restoring some originality, some creativity, some viewer participation beyond saying what colour the cock in the YCH is going to be and firing up paypal. god, how about at least trying. make some shit liberal effort like pushing the concept of a fair price. Push for tip-jars, not paywalls. Offer 50% off con tickets for poor people on the honour system. Those are all shit individualist-moralist solutions, they won't help in any meaningful systematic way, but jesus it would at least look like there was an effort to be inclusive in a way that involves some self-sacrifice. but then no, why do that? poor people have fucking terrible optics and to help them usually means giving up something yourself rather than just passively tolerating. so naturally nobody wants to help them. what is this, 1963? no. fuck the poor. if you want more money just raid your trust fund like everyone else. No, what we really need to do is rally against nazis, because some bay area rich kids are pretending they're actually bothered by a fat weirdo with a paw armband who looks more like a variation of NAZBOL than Nazi, rather than just admitting they're looking for something to rally against, something to feel a part of something. no amount of money can buy a soul. behind the last fursuit, the last YCH, the last OwO shitpost, you know what lies there? The void. The void we're all trying to escape from. No matter how big your trust fund, you'll never fill the void and eventually it will return. It didn't have to be this way, you know. The internet in general and this fandom in particular really could serve as genuine antidote to the void, or at least embolden us to resist being sucked in, if only it were structured differently. If only we knew what we really wanted. If only we really cared for one another. If only we could put the pieces together.

But dwelling on that would take introspection. that would take self-reflection, indeed to act on it would involve self sacrifice. it would utterly transform if not indeed *create* this hobby. and that's a painful process. indeed, it is a *political* process. unlike punch nazis lol which involves a lot of symbolic conflict, but no real questions of politics, asking questions about income distribution, the validity of allowing markets into a space notionally about free and accepting self expression and who gets paid for what if we do it, the question of whether acceptance includes accepting lower quality in exchange for exclusivity, that's real politics. That deals with fundamental questions: Who can be a member of the fandom? When? How? Why that particular way? Who do you have to exclude to promote the greatest possible inclusion for others? These are difficult questions. So let's not answer them. Once you ask them, there are three routes available: You can answer that we include individual artisan commercial producers, at the cost of excluding the poor. You can answer that we exclude those producers, promoting greater accessibility, or you can ignore the question entirely. This being furry, the latter is the inevitable route. Don't want to ask hard questions, don't want to think, don't want to put in the effort. Just buy me the twerk YCH daddy.

In conclusion

PUNCH NAZIS LOL

>>80956

>Racial purity, authoritarian state, reactionary values, cultural conservatism

Glad to know that Israel is a Nazi state and that no one is a nazi in the US.

>>80958

Mind elaborating?

>>80943

not being a communist antifa fucking dipshit makes you a nazi, either you're a communist, or you're a nazi, there is nothing in between

>>80963

it was you commies who started calling everyone outside your group a nazi, this is your fault so you can sit your fucking red ass down and blame yourself, bitch.

>>80960

It's common knowledge that they're an authoritarian state with a fixation towards racial purity.

"Unlimited tolerance leads to the disappearance of tolerance."

Huh, weird. It's almost as if people are compelled to defend themselves from threats unless they're prevented from doing so by an outside force.

>>80969

No, I prefer splashing commie's teeth across the sidewalk and stomping on their heads until they stop moving as opposed to arguing with them

>>80975

No, you are what's wrong with the world, you are the ones who refused to argue and started calling us nazis and punching us instead, you made your bed, now lie in it.

>>80982

I don't care if you don't self identify as antifa, antifa doesn't give a shit if we identify as nazi or not, you clearly support them more than you support us therefore you are my enemy

also, this is just self defense to me, I know what happens if you let communists gain power because I'm not a fucking idiot, we must destroy them before they destroy us all

>>80983

Antifa is an idiotic group, but the guy that you're talking to just asked a question of definition of a "Nazi". He never said that he was communist nor antifa. The fact that each antifa activist defines "Nazi" differently should prove the fact that it should be taken with a grain of salt.

>>80985

>let's just ignore all the atrocities committed

That's what you call propaganda. Neo-Nazis also love to post images like these, with all the good things National Socialism did.

And everything bad about Communism is actually just Allied/Capitalist/RedScare propaganda. And everything bad about National Socialism is just Allied/Soviet/Jewish propaganda.

Right?

Hi, follow up question: Does anyone sincerely believe that there is an authoritarian regime infiltrating the USA?

>>80988

Do you mean like, there is a foreign force under an authoritarian regime that tries to take over the US from within or

the US, on its own, is slowly being turned into an authoritarian regime?

>>80985

You're right, communism can achieve all these good things

until you run out of other people's money and people start burning shit for warmth

>>80795

Look at this triggered faggot. Right Leaning Libertarian here, I would have no problem rounding up blacks and faggots to ensure the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of whites is not threatened.

>>80997

Libertarianism is not compatible with capitalism or white supremacy.

>>80986

>everything bad about Communism is actually just Allied/Capitalist/RedScare propaganda

that is correct

>>81028

I love graphs like these because of how utterly unreadable they are. Here's a bunch of similar colours with similar shapes to differentiate them all.

>>81032

>What do you expect. Most people on 8chan are literal Nazis.

So going by an earlier poster, most people on 8chan support the following?

<Racial purity, authoritarian state, reactionary values, cultural conservatism

>>80991

>people start burning shit for warmth

painfully moronic post unless you've got a solar heating system installed.

>>81032

Fun fact: the rise of reactionary fundamentalist Islam was funded by the CIA.

>>81043

And mi6. It's funny, they wanna bash Islam for it's violent half when it was actively created by us.

>>81037

whether most do or not, they act as if they do because they oppose

<racial homogeneity, progressive values, cultural liberalism ("marxism")

you'll note i left out authoritarian state. that's because everyone supports a sufficiently authoritarian state, provided it's doing their dirty work. even me.

>b-but muh hoppe

mate if a trade union beating up scabs constitutes a state - and most ancaps will wind up arguing this - then a lynch mob getting rid of transgender people constitutes a state.

anyway trying to define what it means to be a nazi is pointless. like most things, you know it when you see it depending on what you personally support and drawing dividing lines is just an excuse to have arguments. (Since in the strictest sense, to be a Nazi you'd have to be a member of the NSDAP who supported NSDAP policy unquestioningly, even when it changed, except when it changed against the spirit of true national socialism... And even if you could go through that contortion, you'd still be excluding all modern nazis, even those who agreed with you 1:1.) and the same is true of basically everything else. (See for example Cuckservatives, Blairites, and whatever the Democrats term is for the sell-outs who've run the party since Clinton. All basically people who're inside or outside your chosen ideological group depending on your own perspective)

>>81028

Not considered in that statistic: women and children starving to death in gulags

>>81061

Gulags are CIA and Pentagon lies. Solzhenitsyn was a CIA propagandist.

>>81064

>being this retarded

Yeah and the holodomor never happened and Nikolai Yezhov was a favorite public figure.

every post in this thread that isn't about the furry fandom, including my own, should be purged.

You are all faggots and we'll never have a furry ethnostate if you can't shut the fuck up and just love the knot.

>>81097

Remember when the mods used to ban politishit?

>>81097

furry is politicised not by ideologues, but by idiots with almost no ideology, just aesthetic preferences. "nazi furs fuck off" is the equal and opposite to the early-stage furry raiders ("gas all humans"), and both of these are necessary distractions from any serious non-partisan political awareness. ("why do they get that?")

you really think a furry is going to flip open a tome written in 18th century english, or even a reading guide, or even a wikipedia article when they can just bullshit? red star, communist now. swastika, nazi now. simple as.

>>81103

Faggot you just used a lot of words to say nothing.

>>81112

typical furry moron

I said I was a Nazi fur ironically online and now I'm banned from Twitter and Instagram

>>81118

good

>>81103

The problem is they're talking specific individuals, rather than fictional items.

Or at least, I think that's the problem. Truth be told, your argument is rather broken up, and, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

Point is, it isn't politics to draw communist party furries in some commie setting, strangling fascist doggos. We've had such for a while.

It's pretty damn political, however, when you decide to start banning people from events and assaulting them.

>>80842

no u, i'm fuck you uncle's hot ass you little shit.

Saged for being /leftypol/. People who don't masturbate are THE Nigger, you non-furry Nigger

>>80872

we punch them instead

FA needs the ability to kick watchers off your account.

I could boot the nazi furs, Kayla-Na fans, fans of cubpedo shit... oh that's not free speech? You'd do the same to me if you could! You'd boot anything and anyone even remotely anti-/pol/ from your list, don't cry when your tactics get turned on you!

>>81156

Just turn off the monitor. Look away, you sensitive faggot.

>>81146

Harold Lasswell defined politics as a competition about who gets what, when, and how. Furry doesn't want to deal with those questions because they require you to take a long hard look at the world from someone else's perspective and they invariably cut too close to the bone of how you actually live your life. (What if you getting something deprives someone else? How can you continue to imagine yourself charitable?) So instead, furries crib aesthetics from past conflicts to dress up personal drama with a serious flare, crudely emulating the political battles of the outside world in a culture uniquely ill-suited to Lasswellian politics.

>It's pretty damn political, however, when you decide to start banning people from events and assaulting them.

It isn't really though. We've had arbitrary bans and group bans in furry forever, and we've had arbitrary violence since before we'd even found out you could live in a cave. Banning people who draw nazi dogs isn't really "political" at all, it has nothing to do with real political questions about how we live our lives (who what when how). What getting into such conflicts does do is pander to a need for conflict between basically fictional strawmen of other people, as furry cliques have always done. Having the appearance of being political by picking an extreme and aesthetic ideology and getting into fights is a great advantage, but the whole thing has more in common with Battlefield 1942 than it does with the German elections of 1932.

If you discuss future visions of society with a furry, you will always get some of the most childish, unimaginative, uninformed visions possible even from people with qualifications in subjects like economics that ought to inform their views. Nobody is going to give you a classless, stateless, moneyless society (blah blah blah), the few who quote it parrot-like couldn't imagine it if they tried (everyone gets art but the artists get paid!) or a racially pure society in eternal conflict so as to best promote the strong. It's always a facile, furry-based vision, as though what Marx, Hitler, Jesus and Clinton all really wanted was the choice between Clinton and Trump but both candidates promise a fursuit stipend.

>>81180

damn dude thats fuckin epic

Nazifurs have been around for fucking years now. Every politician who has ever opened their mouth has been compared to Hitler. The only reason Antifaggots are pretending like they're Indiana Jones now is because it's trendy to do so. I'm kind of starting to wish Nazism was as wide spread as they say it is, just so I could watch hyperbolic authoritarians who pretend they aren't get lined up against the wall and ended.

>>81174

I'm not particularly inclined to give a damn what this no name shitter says about politics. You ask me, he's full of shit, so why the fuck should I give a damn what he thinks? It's irrelevant to me. I'm not like to defer to his assumptions

In any case: banning people from an event for their supposed ties to another political group rivaling your own is, by its nature. I don't see how this psuedo intellectual drivel changes this.

>>81292

execrable post

>>81295

which species would they be persecuting?

This blind hatred for nazis is just historical ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0XBzNhkp4

>>81309

this

>>81309

the nazis were weak bitches who didn't stand a chance against the soviets

>>81402

>baby's first WW2 map.gif

>>81454

not a valid argument.

>>81529

>>>/auschwitz/

>>81529

>>81529

always wanted to know deo's thoughts on the massive economic class divide (or at least, high income-based barriers to participation) in the furry fandom but don't like registering for websites and probably wouldn't be sufficiently iconoclastic if i had a username so i won't.

>>81543

educate yourself bitch

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gxwhh-vdeB--47HM-20cEVRC9eAMhrapbNf0Sk8VSOs/edit#heading=h.sj9kmelzd2c3

>>81545

>communism is a dead ideology

>social democracy isn't just liberalism with a new coat of paint

>>81559

communism is dead, naziism is dead, social democracy is dead, all that is left is spectacular conflict between fast-moving identity symbols at the end of history as the oceans boil, the continents become uninhabitable and the bees die off.

Ave Mercatus, morituri te salutant!

>>81585

that's a confusion of the inverse

don't confuse the inverse, bad things happen.

>>81402

what vidya?

>>81562

thats a whole lot of ideology you got going on there

>>81590

http://www.ac-smolf.dk/fite/page1.htm

>>81043

>>81048

No it wasn't. Islam has never, and likely will never, invent anything or make any useful and productive contributions to the world. It was founded by a pedophile merchant turned warlord. It was spread by violence for its entire history. Its only "scientific achievements" were copied from Europe and India (Piri Reis map was a flawed compilation of other maps, telescopes were only used in war or to orient mosques, etc.) and even that was frequently wrong and eventually ignored. They've always hated other religions, especially Jews and the non-religious (punishable by death in Islamic law and Muslim-majority countries) usually out of jealousy. And during WW2 Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini met with and collaborated with the Nazis, and strongly supported the Holocaust.

Islam, at least as it is right now, and has been since its inception, is a blight on the world that has constantly threatened the existence of the Jewish people, personal liberty, scientific progress, and civil society. It it does not radically change then it must end. Or be ended.

>>82230

gamers rise up

>>81068

You have a guillotine in your future, fascist CIA scum. Your and you whole family must be killed.

>>81710

It's subtle enough that you can act like a peacekeeper and safe space, but ancap enough to make people fuck off

>>81290

Sauce?

>>82244

>>85148

Get a load of these nutjobs.

>>81543

I don't suppose shooting for a citizen killcount of 0 would be too much to ask of a government?

GAS GAS GAS IM GONNA STEP ON THE GAS.

>>80891

>Does everyone in this fandom have a persecution complex?

Yes

>>87392

It's so interesting whenever you see /leftypol/ trying to subvert a meme.

>>87395

It's a legitimate point though. Communists might be worse than fascists, but they're both godawful choices to people who value their civil rights.

supporting racism and white power idealism is a never a good stance no matter how cool things look.

do you wanna know why bad guys look cool because it implants a memory in people when there marching at you its indimidating the same reason a lamborghini is a fucking cool when it gaps your shitty 1989 honda civic

>>87392

lelele this made me giggle.

communism is p shit tbh no homo

Nazi furs? Thats kind of an oxymoron right? Cuz the furs would totally be gassed.

>>90212

They know, but think it's a worthy price to pay.

>>82226

>It was founded by a pedophile merchant

so you should love it, since both the alt-right and furries are into that sick shit.

>>81180

>meme

Slapping stupid text on an image you downloaded from Google is the best you got? You can't create anything original or good, memes are all you have and they're the laziest shit imaginable.

You're not "redpilling" anyone, only looking like an incompetent boob who can't do real work.

>>81161

>waah you have to accept the fact I exist, no I'm not sensitive YOU are waah pay attention to me and like me or look away, don't you dare use your free speech to disagree with me

Eat shit. Oh wait, you have a fetish for that!

>>81172

>implying 95% of the internet knows what browser bookmarks are anymore

You can't comment or fave if blocked and most of you use the faves list instead of bookmarks.

Also, cub fans are pedophiles, all of them, just admit it.

>>90235

You're not winning over the audience, by shamelessly copying propaganda.

>>90238

Quit projecting your heeb fecal fixation on others, and grow some skin, faggot.

>>92288

its why actual pedophiles and child pornographers argue the same thing its about sex and getting there rocks off, nothing more, nothing less.

>>92288

>The Left

really? the whole left? Labor Premier of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern wants to do that? Are you sure?

>>92311

Fahists Get Scratches :3

How many leftists switched their anti-war stance after Drumpf withdrew troops? I noticed that there were several furs on twitter did it. I bet if he disapproved of drinking bleach, they would drink it entirely for not being inclusive.

>>92559

Liberals aen't leftists you amerilard.

>>92577

I'm being serious, the self-proclaimed twitter furry leftist cliques (like #adventurecru) condemned Trump for leaving an endless war since we're no longer supporting our stronk female independent lesbian kurds to fite nahtzee Assad.

>>92580

The YPG is based tho, and they show that democratic confederalism actually can work in practice; and Assad, while not a nazi, certainly is a complete faggot.

>>81069

>"stormnigger."

please do not use the "N" word, its offensive to the based african american community, thanks.

>>92601

"No."

>>92611

"Nazi furs" fall into the "magapede" part of the altright. They're in it to "own the libtards" and don't care about the larger state of things.

The rest of what remains of the altright is a bunch of idiots that want to gas anyone who doesn't fit within their tiny view of what is correct; Larger goals be damned. Who cares about actually accomplishing something realistic, like stifling non-white immigration? Lol, lets just argue over who's more white.

This really just makes the left look that much fucking dumber, since this is what so many of them are afraid of.

>>92584

Strongmen are the only people that can keep some semblance of a government going in apefrican/mideastern shitholes.

>>92702

the furry "left", like the furry "right", has no interest in achieving real political change. it's all LARPing.

several furry communists articulate a vision of "communism" that amounts to nothing more than furry capitalism writ large, a vision much more nightmarish than corporatism in practice.

>>92718

>most furry self-proclaimed "communists/socialists" are just gay neoliberals

I think you don't know what neoliberalism is.

That, or you're being purposefully retarded.

>>92756

woke capital is pretty neoliberal tbf

the left-liberal stance on culture war social issues aren't a core part of neoliberalism, but they definitely serve to defend the currently-endangered neoliberal order against onslaughts from both the populist right, the nationalist right, the revolutionary left and the social-democratic-nostalgist left.

>>92702

>Strongmen

>cosmopolitan democratic confederalism

Did you eat a bowl of stupid for breakfast?

>>92759

>woke capital is pretty neoliberal tbf

I browsed their twatter for a bit, and I have to disagree. They mostly seem to be contrarian shit-pot stirrers, anti-"PC", and prolific re-tweeters of russian agitprop buzzwords.

That said, none of your post addressed the issue I raised in my initial post: that neoliberalism is the antithesis of communism/socialism.

>>92756

Neoliberal = Capitalist Liberal

>>92767

>anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian robot. We totally haven't used it bef-

https://www.msn.com/pl-pl/wiadomosci/other/democratic-operatives-created-fake-russian-bots-to-link-russia-to-roy-moore/vp-BBRhNLZ

>>92770

>Neoliberal = Capitalist Liberal

Conservatives Reagan and Thatcher were neoliberals. So you may need to recalibrate your definitions.

>http://msn.foxnews.poland/

>anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian robot

I'm sure you thought that was an all too clever and original strawman, but considering how that one phrase was your takeaway from my post just demonstrates the insincerity with which you and these "woke capitalists" approach some of life's important issues.

>>92767

No, my point is that capital acting woke is neoliberal. The woke capital twitter just highlights instances of it and isn't that important.

>neoliberalism is the antithesis of communism/socialism.

That would just be capitalism, feudalism, or for maximum dialectics: primitive communism. For a presumable communist you're inadvertently opening up a case for social democracy.

>>92774

Clinton's economics have more in common with Reagan and Thatcher than they do with FDR or even Nixon.

>>92774

Both are liberals tho. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals and restricted gun rights.

>>92791

He also raised the drinking age and raised taxes for the working class 11 times during his presidency, for some reason die hard conservatives tend to become very forgetful about these facts.

>>92795

he probably saw that people were abusing it so he raised it.

>>92718

>Hence why a lot of them switched from anti-war to pro-war

I haven't seen that. What I have seen is people saying it's hypocritical of Trump to do the pullout he did, when several years ago he was claiming that Obama doing the same thing caused the rise of ISIS. Probably also riding on Trump saying Obama shouldn't airstrike Syria, then Trump gets in office and airstrikes Syria.

>>92764

Did you snort laced cocaine for breakfast? The fuck are you on about?

Strongmen is a catch-all term for dictators who use force and fear to hold power. Assad sure fits that bill.

>>92818

Oh I thought you were talking about the YPG. My apologies.

>>92809

>claiming

It's technically true though. The US pulling out of Iran contributed towards the destabilization of the country and the rise of ISIS.

Of course, none of that would have happened if we never invaded in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact it is technically true.

>>92818

What leader and group doesn't use force and fear to accomplish their goals? What very unusual is that the left likes taking the moral high ground on it, yet they frequently fearmongering about how MSpaint frogs can create a holocaust.

That's besides the point though. We're not obligated to be the world's policemen at all. If anything, countries worsen whenever we intervene. Take Iraq and LIbya for instance.

>we must protect our based feminist lesbian kurds that I saw on Vice once tho

>>92840

US wasn't allied with the Kurds because America government loves/protects people, American government only allied with them to fight ISIS because the war and destabilization keeps them rich. American government funds both sides of the war to get rich off arms/defense industry. "Protection" has nothing to do with it. That's nonsense, it should be pretty fucking obvious by now that the only interest that the American government has in the area is the money and oil. If "protection" is so important, why do they use air strikes that kill millions of innocent civilians each year? Come the fuck on.

>>92840

>the left likes taking the moral high ground on it

"the left" is a major source of assad apologia though.

it was britain's centre-left opposition who prevented the march towards a ground war in Syria in 2013.

>>92842

I know, right? However, it hilarious that some people are willing to put a blind eye to all of that if it has a "woke" slant to it. INCLUSIVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY WAR CRIMES

>>92909

remember when spain and greece had military juntas supported by NATO

haha

>>92288

Sure, totally ignore Milo defending pedophilia and Roy Moore molesting teens, because it doesn't fit your narrative. Plus Kavanaugh, he likes underage girls too. Trump's been a life-long defender of pedos and all 3 are in his good graces, plus he still won't stop defending that fuck Michael Jackson.

>>90535

>"grow some skin, faggot."

Says the thin-skinned white "supremacist" who doesn't like differing views, other skin colors and is probably only about 40% genetically 'white" if he were ever tested.

>You're not winning over the audience

I don't fucking want Trump supporters, pedophiles or Zaush defenders as an 'audience", fuck you very much. They can inhale chlorine gas at a future furry con.

>>92910

If the countries in Africa are of any Indians, it's that inhabitants willingly sell their people out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45916060

If I ever get deported from the inevitable ethnostate, I'll learn mandarin and kung fu

>>92915

Milo is alt-light retard, he's literally the "based" minority meme. I've seen no pedo allegations toward Kavanaugh, and the only allegations thrown at him from women who were of age at the time were shown to be false.

And newsflash, Grumpf isn't even right wing. He's fucking center right at best, barely better than the neocon trash largely making up the Republican party.

>>92910

Imperialism is imposing force on other countries, pretty different. If modern Africa is any indication, they were better off under white rule than they are now that they are "liberated". I hope all whites leave Africa and the blacks all starve and die.

>>92781

>That would just be capitalism...communism

I fear your levels of stupidity.

>>92791

>Reagan and Thatcher

>Both are liberals

You are this retard >>92781 right?

>>92797

>he probably saw that people were abusing it so he raised it.

He saw that conservatives were abusing taxes so he raised them?

Interesting take.

>>92910

Imperialism is mostly enacted via economic tools instead of force, at least in recent times, because it's much more effective that way and you don't piss off others as much.

>>92911

Compared to every other african country having one?

I'm not saying civilization eliminates violence instantly and completely, it's a gradual reduction.

>>92963

way to out yourself as being less well read than the average cocker spaniel

>>92963

>I fear your levels of stupidity.

You believe that the companies listed in woke capital are communist/socialist? LOL

>Reagan isn't liberal after enacting liberal policy of gun control, lax immigration, and raising taxes.

Lmao, you're delusional.

>>92958

>If modern Africa is any indication, they were better off under white rule than they are now that they are "liberated".

Before they were colonized Africans had a pretty advanced culture, I suggest you read some history.

>>92976

>Imperialism is mostly enacted via economic tools instead of force

Those economic tools are enforced BY force. If you don't think this is the case, next time try taking something out of a shop without paying and see if the owner doesn't call the police.

>>93002

>Africa

>Advanced

Sorry, but I don't get my history from movies; which is clearly where you get yours from, not books.

In terms of general advancement, the best example in black Africa you can find would be Ethiopia, and that's only because they had a leader who was intelligent enough to succesfully copy Western society (and the end result was them fending off Europeans, while their supposed "advanced" brethren got fucked).

>>93032

>The only form of advancement is technological advancement

small brain skimreader

>>93002

>Those economic tools are enforced BY force.

"I'm not selling you stuff" and the more common "I'm not gifting you stuff" often require any enforcement whatsoever, the threat of force is so theoretical it may as well not exist.

>next time try taking something out of a shop without paying and see if the owner doesn't call the police.

My point is that in a civilized country most people pay for the stuff they take, even if they could get away wihtout doing so.

If everyone looted the store, calling the police wouldn't be of much help: if shoplifters are few and far between, then it makes sense.

>>93040

>parroting /pol/ almost word for word

>literally repeating the same points but dressed up as tolerance

I don't get the point of the posts in those screencaps. Using the same false information while pretending to be progressive is a pretty convoluted way and counter-intuitive way of owning those gosh darn Nazis.

>>93036

I don't suppose you have the names of "advanced" African civilizations handy? I'd be very interested to see which of those reached a level of progress higher than late medieval/renaissance Europe and East Asia before supposedly having it destroyed by colonialism. Most sources seem to place the continent as advanced as pre-Columbian Americas.

>>93069

>blatantly avoiding the question this hard

Real life might not be a video game, but there are many very real milestones in both technological and societal progress that are both real and measursble. From things as small as figuring out better ways to smelt metal, crop rotation, to stesm engines and computers- even the move from hunter-gatherer society to more organized nomadic and sedentary settlements provides benefits technology alone doesn't. You're doing a poor job of defending your position.

>>80944

>. how about doing something concrete for the dispossessed of furry, like staging a stalinist purge of all the rich kids

Nice dubs, but you know that'll never happen for obvious reasons. They're not suicidal enough to follow their own advice.

As a matter of principle I do not discuss politics with fetishistic manchildren (e.g. furries).

>>93069

Those guys are kinda cute, but as usual the fandom is 99% about popularity so very few artists make pics of less known characters.

CobaltSynapse made a good pic with them in it, it's 1164256

>>93040

africa is pretty technologically advanced, north africa is basically new mombasa from halo reach and has the worlds fastest internet.

>>80795

>rational wiki

You're fucking gay.

there's nothing worse than filthy fucking niggers, hollering at 3am like mentally handicapped monkeys

This thread is a fucking mess.

>>93254

>Most of west Africa was relatively advanced before colonism fucked it over

Colonism didn't do shit, greed would have collapsed Mali even without any europeans around.

Same shit happened all the time throughout history to whites too, just look at the romans.

>>94177

>Colonism didn't do shit

>invading your country and enslaving the populace don't do shit to the populace lmao

>just look at the romans

>greed was responsible for the fall of Rome, not the barbarian invasions

We were sending books to the wrong side, America will need education more than than the Africans do at this rate.