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 No.79834>>80119 >>80414 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Can we have a thread dedicated to World-Building? How would a Furry world work? Would different Furry “Species” be able to have healthy offspring? Do Humans live besides Anthros? Are they also capable of having offspring. Would different Species have tense relations with one another or would they all get along?

 No.79907>>80004

>"How would a Furry world work?"

This greatly depends on a lot of factors. Like "are there any carnivores?" If there are and they're friendly, they need to explain how they get their food. Like are there "lesser" animals they eat etc.

One thing a lot of fictional universes tend to mess up is when different races behave differently depending on which character is being portrayed. A famous example is the Goofy and Pluto paradox. Since in this fictional universe both are dogs, but Goofy stands upright, lives in a house and wears clothes. And the other is on all fours and barks. I've also seen something similar with horses where they'll have both anthro and feral horses.

>Would different Furry “Species” be able to have healthy offspring?

It depends on how cartoony you're going for. If it's something like Zootopia you're probably not aiming for realism anyway.

>Do Humans live besides Anthros? Would different Species have tense relations with one another or would they all get along

If they do it needs to be explained why the humans aren't subjugating the anthros like they attempt to do for every race throughout history. A lot of worlds that do something like this tend to portray the anthro race as like black person living in the Jim Crow south

It greatly depends on what you're going for since you can also make something optimistic like Star Trek or something that's just straight up cartoony like Zootopia. The world you create should exist in service to the plot.


 No.79986>>80004

bump


 No.80004

>>79907

>>79986

>>79993

The world revolves around my dick


 No.80013>>80090

Are we talking about in general or our personal worlds? I've always been into world building, especially conlanging. In my conworld:

>Would different Furry “Species” be able to have healthy offspring

No.

>Do Humans live besides Anthros?

Humans don't even exist.

>Would different Species have tense relations with one another or would they all get along?

I've always linked world building with languages, so I usually have each species in a aztec or ancient greece like setting with their own separate languages. Like I'll have a Proto-Canine language with a small vocabulary and simple grammar that I could write simple mythos in, and then as the Canine tribes evolve away from each other into their respective species the languages will evolve to reflect the stereotypes (for example since foxes are small, quick, and make high pitched noises, they'd have a language with few consonants and a complicated tonal system). I focus almost exclusively on predator species and any sentient herbivore are more goblin-like in intelligence. Since each species also lives in a stereotypical environment (wolfs in snowy mountains, lizards in deserts etc.) it gives them a kind of cultural archetype to follow and from that stems conflict over resources when territories overlap.


 No.80030>>80097

Would all of the anthros willingly form groups or governments? What if some species don't value authority, what if some aren't as altruistic as humans are? Let's say the asocial species would have been out competed. Would there be a big carnivore/herbivore race divide?

Even if the carnivores ate things fish or insects these food production differences would lead to something similar to the nomadic vs sedentary conflicts we had up until the 1500s in eurasia (without the potato pushing population density up in europe, who knows how long the nomads would have lived on the steppe).


 No.80090>>80093

>>80013

>I've always linked world building with languages

So the Tolkien method. Nice. I'd love to do something like that, if my crippling autism didn't make thinking of alternate languages basically impossible.

Anyway, in my world I did away with the idea of herbivores being sapient at all. It's just too much trouble with figuring out how things work, and Zootopia thoroughly played out the whole predator/prey thing. No point rehashing that if it would distract from the rest. I also went a step farther and restricted the world to nothing but terrestrial species from the order Carnivora. That way they're all similar enough that it would make sense for them to live and work together, and share common values and needs. A unified, modern world is impossible to have if everyone's in isolated squabbling tribes that cannot understand each other.


 No.80093

>>80090

>A unified, modern world is impossible to have if everyone's in isolated squabbling tribes that cannot understand each other.

I think it can work, just need a dominant group to lead a confederation of backward people, as an example look to the russian federation. Dozens of autonomous republics, a hundred ethnicities, all kept under control not by direct force but by large distances between people, harsh weather, and low cultural influence from things like enlightenment ideas.

For communication there could be some history of language dominance; centuries of trying to assimilate similar languages, decades long campaigns to eliminate accents, going so far as to have standardized surgery performed on the tongues of newborns so they can "speak the language correctly". For maintaining a common goal to strive for there could be some sort of changing higher authority preaching truth and teaching the morals that should concern people.

This is all shit you see in russia, even as a caricature this could be an interesting world.


 No.80097

>>80030

>What if some species don't value authority, what if some aren't as altruistic as humans are?

Well we have that on Earth


 No.80119>>80140 >>80142

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>>79834 (OP)

I have an idea for my 'Great Furmerican Novel' based on a 21st century furry world where carnivores officially don't eat prey anymore and the world is all civilised but in actuality all but a handful of prey live as second class citizens and are still funnelled into the justice system from childhood (with copious use of the death penalty and hey if they're dying anyway...) and/or live in poverty trapped in perpetual debt to the upper classes with many of them just disappearing one day. Also 'consensual' vore is semi-legalised, I wanted to play off all the vore stories out there too in a more realistic environment. Overall the society is corrupt and decadent with the rich preds owning everything until even the lesser predators are largely treated as part of the 'prey' class, the system is presented as freedom but this actually just means freedom for the ones making the rules.

See it's an allegory. Granted the metaphors are a bit mixed but DO YOU GET IT? DO YOU GET IT?


 No.80124>>80179

The general world I prefer uses a lesser species approach, with the most predominant of species (at least within the fandom) being greater. Things like cows and some species of birds are lesser (food, wildlife), while canines, felines, rabbits, etc, are greater (meaning they're industrious, complex social structure). Even though for the purpose of the story beavers are a cognitive species (working, communicating, subservient).

So long as they're within the same family of animal they can reproduce successfully. No cabbits, but folfs are possible.

I use an alternate Earth set-up, where technologically and geographically they're similar. So planes, trains, cars, roads, oceans (we going ocean?) need to exist. Which means other resources (trees, gas, etc) also need to exist. Which means conflict.


 No.80136>>80173

I think BoJack Horseman's solution to pred/prey is horrifically charming. Though it is catroon world building (framed so in the source material and improbable for realist settings.)

All animals, insects, fish, etc are anthro. "Food" is injected with with hormones that prevent the development of sapience. They're kept in farms for slaughter. This is portrayed as normalized behavior and is socially acceptable in the source material.


 No.80140>>80142

>>80119

God I miss those books. I wish I had a scan of the city one I kept reading in the 90s.


 No.80142

>>80119

>DO YOU GET IT?

Something tells me you plan on making pigs the ruling class, they're also omnivores...yeah, I understand the allegory you're making.

>>80140

hit up https://www.libgen.io/

check the fiction section; maybe you'll find a digital scanned copy?


 No.80173

>>80136

that could have been an allegory for veganism bro. cartoons and shit is often a fucking caricature hopefully


 No.80174>>80178 >>80213

are there any carnivore mammals who can't survive on fish, birds, bugs or lizards and need to eat other mammals?


 No.80178

>>80174

definitely the most interesting aspect of this whole food and anthros idea


 No.80179>>80202

>>80124

This thread has been giving me ideas for a species roll reversal. Most people here (including myself) tend to give carnivores the obvious roll as the intelligent species, but the novel Ringworld proposes an interesting species: intelligent herbivores. Their psychology on intelligence is reversed, in that meat eating would be seen as brutish and archaic. After all plants are more energy efficient and don't suffer from being mauled and consumed. To an extent humans kind of think like this, we often picture cavemen and neanderthals as being big, strong, yet stupid brutes, while skinny glasses wearing nerds are the smart ones.

>>80118

I think Disney stepped in a toned it down a lot, but there was a bit of species tension in Zootopia, as the predators were supposed to be outnumbered by prey animals 100:1. I'm sure there'd be /pol/-esque groups on either side who proclaim the other as inferior.


 No.80202

>>80179

It wasn't exactly as hard-hitting a message as it would be in an adult movie to be sure but the bit with Nick as a kid was genuinely heartbreaking.


 No.80213

>>80174

I doubt most canids and felids can survive without red meat/poultry in the wild. Though I don't actually know enough food chemistry to be sure. There certainly has to be a reason why they hunt wild game instead of just eating fish. But if I had to guess, it would most likely be more about caloric density. You get more calories from a pound of moose (counting the fat and organs) than from a pound of fish. So wolves will work together to take one down, instead of just camping out at a river, even though the former carries with it a chance of injury.

However, in a civilized setting, this could easily be mitigated. Protein from bugs is actually more nutritious per pound than anything else, but it's simply not efficient to hunt them yourself; you burn too many calories. A giant bug-farm and factory making protein patties changes this. Also, animals living in a city need burn many fewer calories than those hunting in the wild, so need less food overall. Provided there isn't some kind of vital nutrient that you can't get from fish/insect protein, there's no problem aside from cultural.


 No.80414>>81513

>>79834 (OP)

I've been rolling around one in my head where humans are driven to such solitude-driven rarity and deity-like power that among beastkin they're treated as gods. The twist is that the remaining humans have kept a Brotherhood of Steel-esque control of technology that it gives the illusion that it's magic.

The two races would get along fine, though the respect is almost entirely one-sided. Occasionally (like roughly one or two per generation) oddball humans wouldn't give a shit about the customs and hang out with the beastkin, causing all sorts of questions regarding if their faith is misplaced or if it's necessary. That would be the point where whether or not particular groups of beastkin decides to turn hostile or not.


 No.80443

>Predator food supplies

I really don't see there being a reason that during the million years of evolution/decades of science that a carnivore species can't transition to a more omnivorous diet. For example, if real pandas swapped all the way to herbivore then it's reasonable that your anthro foxes can get nutrition from a human diet.

If pred diet and the issues it raises is not a focus in your world then it doesn't have to be.

Also making food animals sapient is a dumb idea. There is maybe room for about 5 species before it devolves into human-world-but-with-animals so why waste a slot on sapient chickens.


 No.80444>>80445

Hoo boy, I missed thread like this.

In my world, there are anthropomorphize version of majority all animal, insect included. Normal version of those species exist as well.

Human exist along side them as subspecies of primates.

These Anthromorphs are referred to by human as beast men. that said, the beast men are considered to be separated species from the animal their kinds resemble to. And yes, there are beast men that completely resemble to human. The only things that marks clear indicator of beast men from their normal counterparts is their ability to mate with other species and bear offspring that take both traits from their parent, even if one of their parents isn't a beast men themselves. Any offspring borns will be a fully beast men, even of one of their parent isn't one. Most of the beast men can talk if their a good amount of human DNA left in it.

Most of the species are stronger,better,faster than human, and have near equal intelligent, but are slave to their instinct. Human, on the other hand, while not as strong, are one of the few species on land not restraint by their their instinct to use their intelligent. Although start out weakest at first, once they learnt to build weapon and exploit the beast men instinct, start to dominate the world, but never fully.

As for how they get's along, and placement of power, depends on era's they are in. Human are thrown into the mixes for sake of comparison.

Era's of strengths:

From stone ages to pre-medival era

In this era, the dominance are determined by physical strengths and quantities. Tools aren't used, and farming technique are widepread

This era is dominated by carnivores, the omivores usually act as a peacemaker, but many of them ended up siding with carnivore for sake of power. Depending on region, human may or may not be oppressed by them. However, the human are considered to be the weakest of the talking species, and are usually enslaved by the carnivore along with other weaker species. Majority of Herbivore are hunting target and enslaved as food source. They are also the most basic example of "farming" in that era. However, this doesn't necessary mean they are guarantee to be in the bottom of the power. Many species that can protect themselves with physical ability maintain mid to mid-high hierarchy of political power, but never at the top due to carnivore's dominance and lack of points to be at the tops.

Racial tension are high, with the carnivore being the most condensing side in majority of the case and see themselves as the superior life forms, and herbivore harboring strong hatred against them. both side look down and dislike majority of the omnivore, seeing them as selves-serving coward who switch side to their convenient

(post too long, to be cont).


 No.80445

>>80444

(cont'd)

Era of wisdom:

from beginning of medieval era to near industrial era

Farming method are widespread and tools are used regularly. Proper weapon are invented and used on regular basis.

It's this era that the carnivore are starting to lose their grip on the power as the herbivore start coming to power along with the omnivore. Part of the reason is that the carnivore are too caught up in their belief of physical superiority, which cause them to forget that they still have weakness, are caught off-guard as the herbivore start using the weapon to counter them. Omnivore, being neutral in belief, are stuck in the middle of the hierarchy, Adopting weapon to step up the game, but avoiding the wrath of the herbivore. Herbivore ultimately came to dominate this Era, taking in the Omnivore as the second class citizen and themselves as a noble. The Carnivore are treated as savage, those with below intelligent. How they are dealt with varied. Some simply keep them out, other tried to enslave them or take them in as third class citizen and finally some seek to commit genocide on them(which didn't succeeded) In rare case, the 3 group manage to co-exist peacefully on their own terms.

This era is also where many religion emerges. Majority of the herbivore worships god of nature, for carnivore, god of bloods and hunter. As for the Omnivore, they worship god of the world in general, but 100 more of unique religion are there too.

That said, In general, the Herbivore is very racist, believing themselves to be superior for their grace and intelligent, not unlike lord of the ring's elves. The Omnivore are the closer to the muggle and the hobbits(especially human)Finally, the Carnivore are oppressed and looked by both.

Era of revolutions.

Omnivore and especially human start to dominate this era.

It's the era of industrial revolution. The herbivore lost their intelligent's due to their descendant blind faith in their species intelligent, thus didn't brother to consider that they can fall like the carnivore. They also keep following the old custom, which have lost it's meaning(originally to help make life easier) and have already turn into something pointless and impracticable, making them especially vulnerable to losing their power(However, their intelligence potentials is still as good as human, just not trained correctly). The Omnivore and human, in meantime, still remembering their ancestor flaws, keep improving. Both herbivore and omnivore start working on technology, later leading to industrial revolution. However, like our world's industrial revolution, neither expected the side effect and the environmental change from it, leading to resource scarcity that the herbivore was dependent on. Combined with restraint of their tradition, many of the headstrong that refuse to adapt died and herbivore lost their power balance, leading the omnivore, who could take on both herbivore and carnivore diets to became the dominant race. Herbivore aren't exactly oppressed, but are neglected and can no longer dictate the world. However, the Omnivore still relied on them for their past experise, ensuring that they keep some of their old power. Meanwhile, the carnivore finally accept their own weakness and start getting smarter, those that survive start gaining power that edge them closer to the herbivore in that moment. However, with oppressed past and the economic introduced in the wisdom era, they don't have the economic power to rival the omnivore, and brute force as a whole became worthless as all species have access to weapon that can easily put them in their place. On the bright side for them, their right are slowly recognized and are rebuilding their economic power.

The beast men also no longer eating each other in each era, as they simply hunt non-beast men or farm them, however, many of the herbivore find the latter action offensive to them, thus didn't reduce the racial tension between twos.

Omnivore, on the other hand are somewhat feared and disliked by the two side in general, but are reliable enough to not be in constant conflict with them. It's only when the beast men instinctive weakness that human starts to dominate the hierarchy, However that another story, which concluded that for both moral and logical reason(and perhaps romantic and compassionate one) that all side decided to let each other have equal treatment.

In meantime, the already peacefully co-existing society start advancing better than those that didn't get along, barring few exception where their relation get worse due to the effect of industrial revolution.

I will write 2 more era later sometime, but that all I have for now.

That said, there are alternate world where alliance are formed based on territory, rather than species in the alternate version of the era of wisdom, which I realize it's the beginning of the timeline I mostly intended to use, I might write that too later.


 No.81513

>>80414

Perhaps a WW3 situation where most modern day states end up collapsing from Nukes, and in the mist of the chaos retrovriuses designed for genetic engineering on humans leaks out of labs and infects the wildlife. So while most humans die, plenty of Anthros are created in this situation. Perhaps a few nation-states survive, and those states constantly see themselves as superior to the Anthros and refuse to give them technology.


 No.84252>>89342

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Lets get this thread rolling again. Perhaps do case studies into worlds by other writefags to steal ideas from?

eg:

Taking the "Human world but with furries" meme, Fauxlacine does a good job and makes it a (willful suspension of disbelief) plausible fucked up reality.

>Predator food crisis (pic related).

>Herbivores have the political influence by outnumbering preds.

>Breeding program to prevent extinction.

>Main character is a psychopath.


 No.84253>>84257 >>84289 >>85125

The flaw with this whole topic is that people take human society, put anthros into it, remove all non-intelligent animals from earth, and then start questioning how food works for carnivores or whatever bullshit.

Society simply would not be the same in the slightest if you had that kind of a world from the beginning.


 No.84257>>84292 >>84293

>>84253

Hence why it's a suspension of disbelief. It's pretty dang hard to perfectly proof everything to be completely and 100% believable without making it totally vague. Take Infinity Wars, for example - Thanos' (rewritten) motivation is... stupid. Even if you disregard some population scientists suggesting that human pop growth will slow somewhere around 11bn, all he does by killing off half of Earth's population is set it back 64 years. Heck, we could make it 4 years if we industrialized Africa after the snap. This plothole doesn't stop most people from enjoying it and suspending their disbelief.

Most horror movies are outright absurd. Final Destination is dumb as hell, but suspension of disbelief has created a lot of very paranoid people after watching them.

It's okay to enjoy something that you can point holes into by examining too hard - if it's written well and makes good use of what kind of a world it creates (e.g. the pred food crisis ties into politics - so it has the sense of familiarity that we can empathise and connect with the world, but it's also an alien concept to us because we don't experience precisely that.)


 No.84289>>84381 >>84846 >>85125

>>84253

If you change even the slightest thing, they wouldn't speak English, either. So you'd have to create your own language, write the entire story using it, and provide no translation so nobody could understand anything.


 No.84292

>>84257

Man, even real life has plot holes. I could be making money and making people happy by finishing their art commissions, but here I am instead sitting on my ass reading imageboard posts and watching YouTube videos instead.


 No.84293>>84323 >>84328

>>84257

>written well

>has plot holes

No matter how hard you try to downplay something having plot holes, pick fucking one.


 No.84323

>>84293

You don't have some binary opinion of writing based on the presence of a single plot hole do you?


 No.84328

>>84293

Between an interesting story with plot holes and a boring story without any, I know which one I'd be reading.


 No.84381>>84461

>>84289

I can't tell if you're joking or butthurt.


 No.84461>>84846

>>84381

I can't tell if you're a retard or a retard.


 No.84835>>84849 >>84875 >>85114 >>86830

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I've been working on a series of short stories featuring anthropomorphic civilizations all based in the same world. Here's a couple of my thoughts, ideas, solutions, etc.

Most all animals live with their own species / tribe, with the exception of mutually beneficial relations. There is interaction between tribes, however it is sparse due to the harsh geography and terrain that makes up the world they live in, most prefer to remain isolated. Because of this, a lot of species / tribes develop technologies at different rates, each to suit their needs or requirements. This means one species might be more advanced in a particular category, but be a bit behind in other technology groups compared to others.

Feral animals exist in this world too. They are seen are predecessor or ancestor species, similar to how humans see Chimpanzees or other Apes. Depending on the culture, these ancestor animals can either be held in great respect or seen as inferior or lesser, etc. Carnivores largely stick to eating ancestor animals that their own ancestors once hunted or ate. It is typically seen as taboo to eat other anthropomorphic species and is viewed similar to cannibalism or how Humans view eating Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Neanderthals, etc. Although it does happen, though it is fairly uncommon much like cannibalism in our world. This remains taboo because most believe all anthropomorphic species to have been cut from the same cloth or made for some purpose together, but it does not include the ancestor animals as they are seen to be incapable of civilization.

Species cannot create offspring they wouldn't normally be able to. Hybrids exist, but are limited to the ones that are already possible in real life such as Grolar Bears and Mules. A fox and rabbit cannot have offspring, as with other animals that don't share strong enough of a relation. Dog breeds and other animal breeds / races still exist in this world however. And because of the geography mentioned previously and societal structure, most animals will stick to their own species anyway much how they would in real life.

Humans aren't certain to exist in this world, at least to it's inhabitants. There are rumors, legends, and stories about hairless apes greater than most of the civilizations, but it isn't known what happened to them. In the far distant future, Humans (or even Human AI) became advanced enough to the point of godhood. Being bored with themselves, they decided to hold an experiment or contest of sorts. They would give all other animals the same benefits they themselves had, intelligence, speech, etc. Requirements for civilization and further potential. And they would see which ones would be able to develop the furthest and fastest, maybe even reaching where Humans got. The planet itself isn't Earth, but one which was suitable enough to accommodate every species and their progression so it wouldn't be an outright free-for-all with the species killing each other as much as possible.

I'm debating whether or not to include magic, it would be described as an extension of one's otherworldly body. It would be rare and only utilized by those who detach themselves from reality, learning magic is dangerous and can make you crazy.


 No.84846>>84849

>>84289

>>84461

You realize how retarded you sound, right? Even in settings where English/whatever language you speak doesn't exist, the actual book about that setting has it in a language the reader can understand because the author understands writing a book is an activity of little value if no one can read it. just go back to the zoophile drama thread with your logic


 No.84849>>84854 >>84872 >>84875

>>84835

>Because of this, a lot of species / tribes develop technologies at different rates, each to suit their needs or requirements.

Keep in mind that it's extremely difficult in reality for technological advances to happen without trading of resources. Even just going from the stone age to the bronze age required middle-eastern civilizations to trade for tin found in Europe. What's more likely to occur is that larger territories will have access to more resources, and thus be more technologically advanced, while smaller ones will lag far behind. But if everyone is tiny scattered tribes, none of them are getting out of the hunter/gatherer phase without some serious handwaving.

>>84846

Cry harder, I can't hear you yet.


 No.84854>>85098

>>84849

>no u

Fantastic argument.

Perhaps you should actually provide a defense of your assertion instead of making nebulous assertions with little value. Which in case you've forgotten, was the following:

>If you change even the slightest thing, they wouldn't speak English, either. So you'd have to create your own language, write the entire story using it, and provide no translation so nobody could understand anything.

Now tell me how Tolkien and Richard Adams were wrong to make their works readable in a language other than one they had created from scratch. Hint, they weren't- because books are always written in the language of the intended audience. The only exception is small snippets of text from characters that aren't meant to be understood by the reader due to the protagonist not understanding it either.


 No.84872>>84885 >>85098

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>>84849

Trading still does occur, but it's an enormous undertaking in of itself, which is why most civilizations won't remain in contact for long or allow a lot of ideas and culture to be shared. Also read the spoiler, there is some slight handwaving, resources could be more dense than we typically find too.

I've been over a couple drafts and realistically speaking, this isn't something that can happen. Without the geography, nothing stops them from expanding and in turn creating competition and leading to extinction for some species. We'd be looking at a few species max or having to include multiple species into 1 civilization, which would also be difficult due to how resources would be split amongst them, hence only species with mutually beneficially scenarios form civilizations together. But at the same time I don't intend for it to be highly realistic nor does it matter. Having civilizations and species somewhat isolated also allows me to explore vastly different settings and themes. Instead of everything being focused around the same time period, culture, or ideas, I can have those separate to allow for more variety.

Also I may or may not have a story planned about a species tricking other species into living together in a "unified" society while in reality, undermining the rest of them and using it to their benefit. This is all in allegory to similar situations in our history.


 No.84875>>84886

>>84835

I like what I see. Although, the lore is a bit cliche. I'm not really sure of the inclusion of magic either, because that makes it seem like a fantasy setting while the lore is science fiction. Then again, it might not matter if the lore isn't crucial to the stories' narratives.

Have you published any of it? It sounds like a good read.

>>84849

I think what he has is fine. By what he's written, it seems they do trade with each other, but it just doesn't happen very often.


 No.84885>>84896 >>84925

>>84872

>This is all in allegory to similar situations in our history.

I can think of a few for sure. I have a feeling /pol/ would be all over it if it's an allegory to a certain subset of those situations. minus it being a furfag setting of course

Can you tell us anything about specific factions that have arisen in your setting?


 No.84886>>84896

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>>84875

>Although the lore is a bit cliche

How so? Could it be changed in any way? I've been debating it myself. I'm not too fond of it and I'm open to any improvements. That part isn't overall important though and it's never brought up in any of the stories, as far as readers would know, Humans don't exist and every animal just happens to have a feral and intelligent counterpart.

>that makes it seem like a fantasy setting while the lore is science fiction

I've dabbled with the idea of including Sci-Fi stories or elements, like having someone brought to an abandoned space station and trying to figure out which species must have made it. Or including a moon or other planets populated with other species.

But as for the main tone, it is largely supposed to be Fantasy. I've again, debated including a Lich character, a human obsessed with retaining all knowledge and learning possibly everything he ever could, hence he's a Lich. So he can live further to experience more. Keep in mind characters wouldn't know he's human, he would be an "odd looking skeletal figure."

I consider magic because I'm interested in including stories about the occult and the potential it has to create basis' for other stories. I'm very interested in being able to have the flexibility and potential to include a wide variety of themes, topics, and options and also the possibility of such ideas combining.

>Have you published any of it?

No, I haven't. I'm still working on creating a consistency. Most of what I've written already isn't intended to be canon but to serve as a jumping point to see what I can work with. Figuring out where locations are in proximity to each other. Fully fleshing out forms and functions of animal society. I don't want them to just be Humans with an animal aesthetic, I want it to revolve around the fact that they are animals and how their societies would function due to that fact. As of now I don't plan on completely scrapping anything, but I do plan on revisions.


 No.84896>>84934

>>84885

Is it bad that I thought the same thing when I read his spoiler?

>>84886

>How so? Could it be changed in any way?

Well, by definition, I should probably call it a trope instead of a cliche. When I first read your bit of lore, the first thing I was reminded of was a somewhat similar premise in Solatorobo and Angels with Scaly Wings: Humans, through some technological means, engineer creatures to inhabit a world for varied reasons. That's about where the similarities end though. And it's not a bad thing by any means, as it's always interesting to see what an artist can do with an idea like this.

As for changes, one comparison between the two works I mentioned and yours is that the involvement of humans isn't just lore or backstory, but is critical for their plots. If you're going to have multiple stories all taking place in the same world on different continents, through many characters, and across time, it might be difficult to weave the lore into whatever plots happen in each story. I think your idea of a human-lich character is good for this, but I'm not sure about his current motivations. If humanity reached some level of godhood, there's a good chance they might already be some kind of singularity or omniscient, there'd be no way to learn more at this point. As some kind of AI, maybe that motivation could work, but what could he learn from these anthropomorphic civilizations that prior human civilizations wouldn't be able to give him? I'm not so sure how well I could write a character like that, so I would probably try to find an easier motivation. Maybe the humans / human AI's placed bets on which race wins the contest, and the lich is there to skew the results. Although this premise seems like a really trite thing as the impetus for a new civilization.

Lastly, after thinking about this for awhile, I think you might be better off writing these stories without a concrete backstory in mind, at least at first. It'd probably be easier to start with a smaller scope of a single story and slowly expand the lore than it would be to try and fit the stories into what would essentially be a second narrative. I think that's about all my main thoughts on the matter.

>No, I haven't. I'm still working on creating a consistency. Most of what I've written already isn't intended to be canon but to serve as a jumping point to see what I can work with. Figuring out where locations are in proximity to each other. Fully fleshing out forms and functions of animal society. I don't want them to just be Humans with an animal aesthetic, I want it to revolve around the fact that they are animals and how their societies would function due to that fact. As of now I don't plan on completely scrapping anything, but I do plan on revisions.

Glad to hear how your work's coming along so far. I believe the first step to creating good furry fiction is to make sure to make them animals instead of humans, otherwise I don't really see the point in it. Anyway, if you ever need some advice or want some critique or just want to share what you've wrote so far, you should put it in the lit thread. I'd be glad to read it.


 No.84921>>84929 >>85098

would having hybrid species in an anthro world be an immediate sign it was furry nonsense rather than something well thought out?


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>>84885

>Can you tell us anything about specific factions that have arisen in your setting?

I'll try, I don't have names for many things yet though.

There's the Dog Tribe. They live around a mountainous seaside with small plains and forests scattered around the cliffsides and mountain range base. Because there isn't much access further into the mainland their seafaring is decent, around 1600s - 1700s level as well as most of their tech. Their culture takes large influence from Celts and Romans, being a mix of both with other influences from early exploration / colony culture. Their government is a council comprised of a representative for each breed. For someone to become a representative, they have to be appointed by their respective breed after they've given up their seat. Or they can challenge a member's inclusion if they are the same breed. A challenger will have to prove how they would be a better leader or better suited for the council position than who they're challenging. Because of this, most council members are former ship captains who have proven their role. A challenge can be handled in a variety of ways, duel, debate, competitions, etc, any sort of way which would prove someone to be of better stock. Of course these challenges are mostly overseen by the council themselves or an arm of theirs and they can decide when a competition has proved someone's worth. Winning one event sometimes doesn't cut it. Multiple people can also take place in challenge, especially if a council seat is debated.

The Dog Tribe also has an Arena or Colosseum, which can also be used for challenges.

There's the Panda Tribe. This is actually composed of both Giant Pandas and Red Pandas. The Giant Pandas are able to eat the harder firmer parts of bamboo Red Pandas ignore, and the Red Pandas eat the smaller more hidden bamboo shoots and are able to supplement more foods into their diet than the Giant Pandas can. Both usually prefer different kinds of bamboo, but this has also prevented food shortages when one type goes unavailable. They work together in a sort of protector / servant system and try to avoid quarrels between the 2 species by maintaining the belief that "each has their role to play" and that neither would be able to prosper without the other. Their government features 2 kings for the 2 respective species. Their culture is heavily inspired by regions around the Himalayas such as China, Nepal, Tibet, etc. Their technology is set around the times of China's Tang Dynasty minus gunpowder. (No species in the stories will have gunpowder for the most part)

There's a Reptile Tribe which I haven't yet decided on which species they are yet. Theirs is a desert setting borrowing inspiration from the American Wild West, Navajo, and the surrounding areas. Being in a desert, they are reliant on staying close to sources of water, making them sparse for other resources. Due to this, they often try to trade the most, also being that most of them can survive the desert trek. When trading into colder areas, they carry with them specialized clothes to help with the fact that they are cold blooded. They are wide cloaks with pockets of soapstone sown in-between the layers of clothing. This is because soapstone resonates heat well. They also carry with them a long walking stick that when they decide to sleep, they can use it to prop up their cloak as a tent. Their homes are similar to the Navajo, being dug into the sides of mountains or dug halfway into the ground. Their buildings also follow a similar aesthetic to wooden wild west towns.

Others I have planned or am working more on are a Goat / Alpine Ibex tribe with inspiration from Germany and the Swiss Alps. An Otter tribe that takes inspiration from the Great Lakes region in the American Midwest and subsequently Canada, Pioneers, etc. with hints of Scandinavian. A bird tribe which I again, haven't decided on species. They are a bit hard to describe, I want to say they are similar to Eastern Europe. And despite being birds, they can't fly for obvious reasons. I debate including a less intelligent variation which can fly but has no hands / arms because they instead have wings. Despite this, they would not be considered an ancestor animal and could even have a story based around the debate of this. Others I consider would be Bears, Wolves, Elk, Rabbits, Frogs, etc. I debate including a tiny Bee species being around their normal size. They wouldn't have been intended to be intelligent, but occurred nonetheless. I don't plan on including insects, but Bees would be an exception due to how interesting I find them. They could even have stories based around dealing with the other insects who aren't intelligent.

>>84885

>I have a feeling /pol/ would be all over it if it's an allegory to a certain subset of those situations.

That's why I debate including it, I find the premise interesting but I worry /pol/tards would latch onto it and see what isn't there.


 No.84929

>>84921

Only if those species can't cross-breed IRL.


 No.84934>>85114

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>>84896

>I think your idea of a human-lich character is good for this, but I'm not sure about his current motivations.

The original draft was actually set on Earth and the Lich was someone who was left behind. He rejected all notions of modern humanity and of humans leaving Earth. And he wasn't the only one, but he was one to take it to an extreme and make himself undead in order to preserve his knowledge, memories, and experiences. He became so utterly obsessed with witnessing everything life had to offer, he wanted to know possibly everything there ever could be to know. That's the core of his character. Despite this, he isn't intended as a villain. Rather, he'd be used to assist characters or have them perform some task for him. He is entirely willing to share whatever knowledge he has as he sees it as an extension of himself and further keeping him and the knowledge alive. He's very much in a literal sense, the series' lorekeeper.

His motivations would remain the same, I just need to figure out a way to write him into the new structure of the world. Could have him be some guy who thinks humanity is outright extinct, further strengthening his motivation and leaving more mystery to the readers as to what happened.

The idea too isn't that Humans have reached singularity, omniscience, or a hivemind. Their technology is just so advanced that they're bored with most of what they've experienced, they've lost purpose so they're attempted to find one by means of helping along other species and seeing what they can do. Even if they were omniscient, there's the idea that you lose everything physical when this happens, including memory and knowledge.

>I think you might be better off writing these stories without a concrete backstory in mind

None of it is meant as concrete, only as a skeleton so I know how to structure things. I'm establishing boundaries and design documents first so I know how to keep things grounded.


 No.85098>>85124 >>85125

>>84854

>Mentioning Tolkien, who explicitly invented fictional languages and had them in his books, much of it untranslated except for when characters straight-up tell you, rarely liner notes if it was critical information, or if you feel like flipping back and forth to the indices to translate it yourself, to try to argue why books should only be in basic English for clarity's sake

>Implying the English sections weren't only a stand-in for Westron (and associated similar regional tongues) and not everything

>Implying that the whole fucking work wasn't explicitly said to be translated from Westron to [insert your language here] as passed down the generations as the Red Book

I don't always have excellent arguments, but when I do, my opponent makes my points for me. Leveraging the best worldbuilder novelist OF ALL TIME to claim it as an excuse for idiots writing fapfics on a furry board is face-palm worthy. My original point still stands that if you don't have a VERY GOOD REASON that your fictional world (that is not Earth) ends up exactly like Earth, it's just a bullshit handwave.

But really, that wasn't even the point of what I was saying (though it makes a fine tangent, and it's still true)! It was actually a reductio ad absurdum attack on the guy who claimed that just having anthros would change all of society. If that was you, well, you're still an idiot; only now an idiot trying to have things both ways.

>>84872

I understand what you're getting at, but it seems that you've created a bit of a Catch-22. The purpose of having multiple species in the same work is so they can interact with each other to produce interesting situations. But things are set up so the only way there can be multiple species in your world is because the rough geography doesn't allow them to interact (most of the time). It would be much easier to have multiple societies separated by social barriers rather than physical ones.

The issue with the "one species dominates and the rest go extinct" is that it's an anthropic bias. One assumes (perhaps wrongly) that just because humans are this way, any theoretical alien planets MUST end up the same way. This belies that fact that in nature multiple species (often intelligent ones) can co-exist in a balance between themselves and the natural world. Especially if your setting is still pre-industrial, it's sensible that NONE of these tribes yet have the power to totally dominate anyone else. So what has developed is a stalemate between many different small powers. Any aggression on anyone else will result in their own destruction. Even if this is, in-universe, just a temporary condition that only exists for as long as your stories take place, it's still a perfectly valid reason. It has the additional benefit of allowing you to explore the conditions that led up to this peace, as well as what happens that cause it to end. Then you have the makings of a truly epic story, rather than just a setting where some things take place and nothing changes because it CAN'T change. As things are, you've kinda painted yourself into a corner.

>>84921

Excluding hybrids would be an immediate sign that it was furry nonsense, because it's a furry-only meme that hybrids are bad. Notice how they're a staple in practically every type of fiction ever made that has more than just humans in it. Half-elves, half-aliens, half-demons, whatever. If you had an entire rich world filled with anthro species, a reader would be extremely surprised if you never took the opportunity to make a hybrid.


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>>84934

>Undead.

>Assist characters or have them perform some task for him.

Skull knight from Berserk?

In >>84835 you were debating whether or not to include magic, and a lich implies magic. In a science only universe he would have to be some kind of cybernetic thing that just so happens to look skeletal.

To circle back to the language debate. Could different species even talk to each other? Not talking about just the language but the ability to vocalize the other parties words at all. Think about a human sized brain dog being able to learn English but being unable to speak it with a dog mouth and vocals.

So the canine race develops a language of growls, whines and the bird race uses incomprehensible bird song end up communicating during trades with sign language.


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>>85114

>and a lich implies magic. In a science only universe he would have to be some kind of cybernetic thing that just so happens to look skeletal.

As I mentioned before, nothing is concrete and I haven't written him deeply into the story yet, but the potential of stories and inclusion of him makes me want to include magic. But it's debatable because I see how horribly executed other authors have it and it some cases it feels like it depreciates the story value and disconnects it from the reader by having very little real world equivalent aspects to relate to. It will have to be a very meticulous balancing act.

>In a science only universe he would have to be some kind of cybernetic thing that just so happens to look skeletal.

I'd say the goal is include snippits of just about everything. Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Western, Gothic, etc. What I take problem with is stories that go "the fantasy is all just sci-fi technology!" or "the sci-fi is all just fantasy magic!" I wouldn't be opposed to what you propose, but I feel it would imply there are others who aided him in becoming undead, weakening a bit of his motivation.

>Skull Knight form Berserk?

Haven't read Berserk, I've been meaning to get around to it. From what I've looked up, they're not exactly the same. The Lich is more of an obsessive type that prefers to be alone, trying to read and learn as much as he can. He doesn't "happen" to know things like Skull Knight and isn't going out of his way to assist others, but will do so if the circumstance is presented.

>To circle back to the language debate. Could different species even talk to each other?

Ideally, yes, they would have some way to communicate between each other. And that's also why I consider the "bio-genetically engineered by so-and-so" schtick so it would be inherit in some value. But yes, they would also have their own languages. I've thought about this before, but I never got very far with it. Animals without lips cannot pronounce B, M, P, W, and in some instances, F, or V sounds. But you could also apply Parrot logic to this and claim they have enhanced throat muscles that allow them to replicate these sounds. It'll have to be developed at some point, but for the most part, I feel like a reverse Tolkien. My inspirations lie much more in Discworld, Redwall, and One Piece.

What seems most likely is that I give them all separate languages seeing as they're all developing alongside each other separately. And it could also lead to stories or notes about how translators in that world work. And if I included magic, I could include an ability of a universal language or understandability Yeah... I would need someone else to help me out with this and how to figure this out...


 No.85124>>85125 >>85203

>>85098

>It would be much easier to have multiple societies separated by social barriers rather than physical ones.

Not all tribes are explicitly separated from each other, there do exist tribes that live in the same area. It's actually rare for a tribe to be all on their own and they exist more so in groups without either infringing on the other. But they're also in pockets that prevent them from getting too large, like valleys, deserts, islands, etc. I do not intend to have them all entirely isolated. And when I say isolated, for the most part I mean by policy, not physically.

>The issue with the "one species dominates and the rest go extinct" is that it's an anthropic bias. One assumes (perhaps wrongly) that just because humans are this way, any theoretical alien planets MUST end up the same way.

You seem to misunderstand me. This isn't an argument of conquest or dominance, it's an argument of competition. They don't have to be consciously trying to oust the other, I'm not saying they would be and I wouldn't intentionally write them to be. Resources are always scarce, it's a law of nature and how economics work. Having similar species competing for the same resources they both need to survive will always result in an unbalance. Species 1 happens to get more resource than Species 2. This allows Species 1 to have more offspring which in turn allows them to collect more resource, leaving less and less each time for Species 2. This is why you never see a lot of similar animals per ecosystem, if so, they fill their own niche and perform different actions. They need to be spaced out evenly and given enough room and resources in accordance to their needs. Too many animals in one area means they will expand outwards into other areas and start competing with the population there. The geography and entire nature of this was intended for balance and to keep things in place. You need to keep in mind things like diet, habitat, breeding, etc, and feral animals still exist in this world too.

Also even in an animal world, you can't expect everyone to be buddy-buddy and accept everyother.

>Then you have the makings of a truly epic story

I don't intend to create a large scale long spanning grand epic. That was the original plan, actually, but I dropped it due to problems that further developed and is what lead to how I shaped the world currently. I don't care much for the visions of an epic, what I care about is exploring the culture and implications an anthropomorphic world has. How they live and all that.

From what I've seen, everyone who has attempted an epic either ends up generic or cut short by their ambition. I want to attempt something much more humble.


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>>85098

Assuming you're >>84253 and not >>84289, you should realize I was arguing for your side- not the retard claiming having anthros in what's literally just real world setting with no other changes is somehow creative, and saying "HUR DUR YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP YOUR OWN LANGUAGE TOO" as a strawman of your argument. Creating your own language for your fiction setting adds to it, but isn't strictly necessary. Combined with trying to figure out how something non-human would think- it's pretty godlike.

>>85124

>Also even in an animal world, you can't expect everyone to be buddy-buddy and accept everyother.

If anything, they might just be more brutal than humans already are and we pretty much perfected the art of killing things down to a science. Though that depends on how grimdark you want your setting to be.

>what I care about is exploring the culture and implications an anthropomorphic world has. How they live and all that.

So what's your plan on how to do that? Have it in the form of outsider describing them in his journals, or something about how they react to their culture/tribe being threatened?


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>>85125

>If anything, they might just be more brutal than humans already are

Which is why the world is designed the way it is. Even if none of the stories happen that way, I have to act as if it's something out of my control and could happen nonetheless. Similar ideas are behind the very basis of my design philosophy.

>Though that depends on how grimdark you want your setting to be.

I don't plan on being very dark, aside from obvious horror based stories or arcs which will probably end up more as a tribute to classic horror / occult stories rather than being overly oppressive with it's dark setting and themes.

>So what's your plan on how to do that? Have it in the form of outsider describing them in his journals, or something about how they react to their culture/tribe being threatened?

General stories, you can include tidbits here and there about how certain things work throughout various stories. They don't have to be slice of life either. Read any story and you'll see hints of life scattered here and there. How they talk to people, how they think, how they dress themselves, how they go about public places, their demeanor, etc. What kind of professions exist, society's overall attitude, what kind of places and things they value, etc. You'll see this as characters interact with each other and as events happen. If it's presented as foreign, i.e. a journal, people will see it as foreign. It won't stick and they won't be drawn in, you need to present something that will pull their interest. It needs to come off as a basic part of life. If it comes off as natural, it won't ruin people's suspension of disbelief. No one actively thinks about this while reading Lord of the Rings, Discworld, Redwall, etc, because it pulls them in so well. They accept it and it doesn't feel like fiction.


 No.85203>>85254

>>85124

Resources on Earth were effectively inexhaustible before industrialization and skyrocketing birth rates, and cities with millions of people in them. If you have a small tribe and a giant forest, even fifty more small tribes in the same area still won't be able to use all that wood faster than it can grow, not even if they have bonfires every night. There's just so much: thousands of trees per person. It takes serious industrial power for a country to even get close to using, say, all their coal or iron, when there are literally entire mountains of the stuff.

Resources are only scarce for US because we have the technological power to dig up an entire mountain in a few years and convert all those millions of tons of resources into cars and beams for skyscrapers. A medieval society couldn't do such a thing if they had a thousand years, supposing technology never advanced beyond digging with iron picks and shovels.

So it depends entirely on how advanced and how numerous your populations are.


 No.85254>>85318

>>85203

By resources, I meant more along the lines of food, living space, etc, stuff all animals use and need in order to survive, reproduce, and overall live comfortably. No matter what, there will always be a limiting factor.


 No.85318

>>85254

Yes, but the carrying capacity of land, especially if they're farming/ranching, is still a few people per acre. A small country can easily feed millions, far more than the population they would have. The only way this changes is if they're hunter/gatherers, because then it becomes more like wild animals (who need hundreds of square miles for only a single large predator, to have enough prey to feed on).

You can't just say "there will be a limiting factor" when reality and history does not bear that out for the time period you're speaking of.


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>>84835

>They are seen are predecessor or ancestor species, similar to how humans see Chimpanzees or other Apes

>spoiler

If you're autistic, you could even add that the planet is actually a shellworld with some access points disguised as mountains, with some unlucky furries going down, seeing magic mechanisms and endless red sea deep beneath, with the whole world resting on metal rings. That must make for some interesting underworld myths.


 No.87017

>>86830

I don't want to take away from the world and it make it feel unreal or entirely meaningless. The idea was to create a world with a wide variety of flexibility so other authors and artists could use it as a stage. Sort of how Tolkien's Middle Earth has become the de-facto blueprint for almost every fantasy setting. I wanted to create a consistent unifying theme and environment in which multiple stories could be created. Much how world mythologies are all linked inside of themselves. I saw how Furries would create characters but nothing more, their stories are all set in a distinctly human world, either the modern times or a Tolkien-esque fantasy rip. So the idea is to create something vaguely realistic enough and familiar to not come across it in the wrong way. I'm trying to do the opposite of what I see most Furries doing without being autistic in it's own right.

I like the concept and idea, but I don't know how I feel about implementing it or trying to write around it. I try to exercise a lot of creative restraint with myself to avoid topics I feel could be interpreted as cringy or autistic. I don't know how I would have people go about dealing with the idea of their world being a shell and how it would change basic concepts and whatnot. I might write a story that happens to be a myth within that world about it or something similar. I don't want to hastily rush into new topics and concepts without finishing what I've already started first. I feel like magic in itself is going to be a bitch to balance out.


 No.89342

>>84252

I think a sic-fi situation when humans unplift various animals is much more realistic than multiple species evolving at one time.


 No.89552

As a transformation-fan, I like the idea of a world like our own where people start turning into anthros. But not in a... zombie-apocalypse, soon-every-one-on-earth-will-be-a-furry-insert-evil-laugh kind of way. More just "Oh, so this is how things are now, sometimes your neighbor just grows fur, a tail, and a cute muzzle, and now they're a doggo."

One story I liked involved something happening on Earth that caused puberty to change. Some girls still underwent normal puberty, but a significant portion of them transformed into anthros or monster-girls. It was considered a normal part of growing up. The story revolved around a girl attending high school where all of her friends are transforming, often bemoaning how it will affect their futures. "Alice wanted to become a lawyer, but she became a bunny girl. No one will take her seriously now!" Things like that, little slice-of-life material with sexy transformations sprinkled all over the setting. The protagonist ends up transforming into a living-doll, worried that she'll lose her smarts because that particular TF tends to make the girls horny all the time.

I can't remember where the story's hosted though, which is a shame because I'd love to re-read it.


 No.92499>>92796

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I've been doing some world building on my own and was hoping to get some opinions on it, maybe even suggestions for improvements.

This is mostly just my ideas for where magic comes from and how it's used.

Each race has a god that created and cares for it.

They're also their created race's method of accessing magic.

The power originates from the dimension or plane of existence or whatever the gods originally came from, and the gods themselves funnel it through themselves and out to their creations.

Magic itself originates from some super creator god that still resides in that dimension, and it can basically be used to bend the laws of the universe that it established in certain ways.

The lower gods channel it to their people in an effort to help them thrive, kind of like they're requesting abstract permission to break natural law and passing on that permission to their creations.

I've only got four races cooked up so far, and of them two have manifested physically, one is still in an "ascended" state, and one is dead.

The manifested ones can use the magic they're channeling with much more of a direct influence on the world, but they have a harder time distributing it to their people, restricting the capabilities of their creations.

As a side note, the manifested gods are also vulnerable to death, but killing a god is a herculean task so it's not normally something that concerns the populace too deeply.

The ascended one has to take more subtle influences on worldly events, but its abstract state of existence allows it to bathe its people in power much more efficiently.

The dead god's people have been cut off from magic use entirely, obviously.

An idea I've been toying with is that each god, for some reason, can only "request permission" to break natural law is certain ways.

It'd effectively give each race their own spin on performing magic by requiring them to do what they want through their race's restriction.

For example, say one race has an affinity to light and one has an affinity to nature.

If the both wanted to say, cast a fireball, the light race would have to bend numerous beams of light (by breaking the laws of physics) intense enough to burn into a sphere while the nature race would have to pull a small amount of magma directly out of the planet (defying gravity or by forcing it up through minor movements of the planet's crust).

I like the idea that it might make some feats impossible or at least a massive chore for one people while another can do it without issue.

Helps give it some flavor, but I'm still trying to flesh it out some more before I decide for sure.

Still trying to come up with more details on occasion like exactly how "magic" is manipulated and functions, but unless I'm forgetting something this is what I've got so far as far as magic goes.


 No.92796>>92986

>>92499

Great ideas, you seem to have a good start. Will this world be entirely focused around magic? Like will their societies and basic lives function drastically with or without the use of magic? And what sorts of utilities will it play into? Like transportation, food, storage, culture, conflict, etc.

And do the Gods converse with each other or exist in their own sphere of influence? Are they trying to be better than each other and progress their dedicated race to be better than the others? Or do some of them see it as friendly and take care of their races like parents would? I would love to hear how exactly this sort of society would get fleshed out, there's some good potential here.

My only tip of advice is try not to get overly edgy, convoluted, or cliche, because that can easily happen with these kinds of God conflict and magic stories. If I could leave a suggestion, it'd be to try and come up with unique ways of how different magics work. Are they channeled with knowledge, spirit, physical health, emotion, etc? And set boundaries for exactly how the magic works too so it has explicitly defined parameters so it'll be easier to avoid plotholes and help you better understand which instances it can and can't work in. Avoid using magic as deus ex machina or get out of jail free card. Fullmetal Alchemist is a good example of defined magic, and Avatar: The Last Airbender is good in a simple sense. These are just examples too, make your story yours.


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>>92796

>Like will their societies and basic lives function drastically with or without the use of magic?

Just the ones whose god hasn't manifested physically yet, it'd be the only one able to spread magic's use sufficiently enough to handle usage on that level.

That does make me think that the ones whose gods are manifested must've lived much differently before that happened.

I'll need to figure out when and why they manifested, as well as how they might've lived beforehand and how big of an impact it has had on them since.

>And do the Gods converse with each other or exist in their own sphere of influence?

The manifested ones can interact with each other and their creations the same as any mortal.

The ascended one has to take a more indirect approach due to their limited ability to directly affect the world, so it often resorts to dreams and abstract or subliminal messages.

While they all have that intangible connection to their origin realm they primarily use to siphon mana/magic/whatever, none of them can actually communicate directly with their creator.

>Are they trying to be better than each other and progress their dedicated race to be better than the others? Or do some of them see it as friendly and take care of their races like parents would?

Depends on the god.

Not sure if it'll be innate or due to manifestation, but they're prone to the same personality flaws regular mortals are.

The one that killed the scaled god is overbearingly proud of it and feels like they and their people are greater than the other races because of it.

They even moved their "capital city" equivalent to the mountain the dead god's bones are draped over in the years following and it's not something they let others forget for lack of mention.

Needless to say, they're generally not the most popular as a whole.

The ascended one has convinced itself and its people that being such makes it better than the other gods.

Their superiority complex is muted though as everyone's aware all the gods were once ascended, so their pride is mostly focused on their god rather than their entire race since the mortals could all be on equal footing again someday.

The other manifested one is a group or two or three that I'm not entirely sure about yet, personality wise.

Could make them act as one, give them some kinda schizophrenia depending on which one is in control, make them separate entities that act entirely independently, or just have them confer with each other to make decisions.

Need to settle on that before I decide what personality(ies) they have.

The dead one was madly consumed with a need to speak with their creator, feeling it unfair that the mortals they created could seek the god's council for knowledge and answers while unable to themselves, and felt that the only way they could do so was by joining into one entity with the other gods and reascending to become what they felt would be an equal being capable of it.

However the other gods refused, valuing their independence too much to go through with it, so a futile attempt at force was made and now its massive body is laid out over a mountain.




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