▶ No.71484
>>71482 (OP)
>At this time, we could not find enough evidence to consider Antifa a hate group and what was provided appeared to be of false-equivalence
Sounds like someone got hit in the head with a bikelock and forgot who they were.
▶ No.71485>>71632
That was a pretty funny read but like...
what else is new?
Cool thread btw, it'd be a shame if it got anchored because NO POLITICAL SPSEEKAK IN /FUR/, IT HAS TO BE A SAFE SPACE
▶ No.71488
>>71482 (OP)
>FA is a corrupt shithole of a website
already knew this but it's nice to get another example now and again.
▶ No.71493>>71495
>now that FA is unusable
>now
That site has been unusable garbage since its creation.
Much better alternatives have popped up time and again yet it remains the most used, and this isn't going to change anything since most furries are apathetic to politics, left leaning, or full on tumblr psychopaths.
I mean it is stupid that people actually get fucking furious over someone drawing autistic nazifur shit while completely overlooking commiefur autism, but what did you honestly expect?
There's no way this is a surprise to anyone.
▶ No.71495
>>71493
>Much better alternatives have popped up time and again yet it remains the most used
Much like how people continue to use Facebook, Reddit, etc..
▶ No.71508
>>71482 (OP)
They're on IMs and inkbunny though, but they'll probably be evicted again. Folks should build their own platforms at this point.
▶ No.71509>>71510 >>71594 >>71610 >>71682 >>72266
Now that drawing swastikas is against the rules, is anyone else planning to go on a spree of reporting all the nazifurs and alt-rightards? I'm already building a list of users I'm gonna report and the evidence against them. This is gonna be so much fun~
▶ No.71510
>>71509
We'll still be here regardless of what you do.
▶ No.71511>>71514
>1) Keep posts civil, constructive and polite
>2) Keep discussion on topic to the post at hand.
<Comment posting has been disabled by the journal owner.
Really makes you think
▶ No.71513>>71514 >>71515 >>72046
Fuck you, /pol/, get out of the furry fandom, video games, music, movies, toys and everything else you insist on shoving your garbage into despite the fact you'd ban it all for being "degenerate" and "anti-Christian"
▶ No.71514>>71515 >>71531 >>71551
>>71511
Civil, constructive and polite people don't join the alt-right, only the dregs of society do that. You and I both know what the comments section would've looked like had it been enabled.
>>71513
Best way to fight against /pol/ is to be a politically active and socially loud leftist/democrat/liberal.
▶ No.71515
>>71513
We'll stay.
>>71514
You're the dregs, not us.
▶ No.71530
The traffic will pop up if you invite people. But you have to also ask yourself if bigger numbers are gonna help the conversation or not. Normies will come here and try to sell commissions or have RP threads or some other stupid cringey shit, I think, once we get to a certain point.
▶ No.71531
>>71514
>Civil, constructive and polite people don't join the alt-right, only the dregs of society do that
What did he mean by this?
▶ No.71540>>71592
>>71533
I wish people would stop drawing lewd and undignified pictures of Tifa, our cute mascot. Tifa embodies what we stand for, and degrading Tifa in this way is an insult to Antifa.
▶ No.71551>>71592
>>71514
>You and I both know what the comments section would've looked like had it been enabled.
Oh no not dissent! our safespace monitors cant handle that
https://twitter.com/furaffinity/status/996420646040203265
▶ No.71552>>71553
need an invite to the antifa (or any other lefty) furry discord tbh
▶ No.71553
>>71552
Go to any discord hosted by trans (NB, 50 genders types) people. Boom.
▶ No.71592>>71595
>>71540
I know what you're up to you sly dog.
>>71551
It's not enough apparently
▶ No.71594>>71684
>>71509
Shit troll
Get out
Also hate groups against nazifurs are still hate groups
▶ No.71595
>>71592
That's why you need to double down against leftists, because if you don't draw a line for them they won't stop.
▶ No.71602
I drew facist sasuke
he likes it when him and tifa settle their differences by yiffing all night
▶ No.71610>>71690 >>71729
>>71509
I die a little more each time the confederate flag gets called a hate symbol.
▶ No.71615
>>71482 (OP)
>Alt-right ban making FA unusable
>implications in another thread that this board is dead because of cubfur, not /pol/
Yeah yeah...
▶ No.71616
>>71482 (OP)
I hope that keeps going, I wanna see Pokehidden choke on his own crappy art.
▶ No.71630>>71659
>>71482 (OP)
good, nazis don't get to freeze peaches
▶ No.71632>>71639 >>71644
>>71485
>>71482 (OP)
go to /furrypolitics/
▶ No.71639>>71641 >>71644
>>71632
>>>/furrypolitics/
Please use that subreddit for your politics guys. If all the politics gets moved over to there, /fur/ will have a fighting chance to rebound in quality.
▶ No.71641>>71651
>>71639
>/fur/ will have a fighting chance to rebound in quality.
fucking lmao, what quality? the three or so posts of porn we get a week?
face it, /fur/ is a dead board on a dead Website, it's nonsensical to attempt to fracture the current remaining userbase.
▶ No.71644
>>71632
>>71639
>/fur/ will have a rebound in (((quality))) by being more of a rulecuck
Go fuck yourself.
▶ No.71651>>71655
>>71641
I don't post because porn dumps aren't allowed. You have to have "discussion" first, which only amounts to political shitflinging, so I don't bother.
Thanks, BO
▶ No.71655>>72168
>>71651
Yeah, basically. Honestly, I'm just surprised these three FA threads haven't been anchored yet.
▶ No.71658
Like the cub ban, this is "on paper" and will only be enforced if they don't like the person, as an excuse to ban them. Dragoneer is still more concerned with people stating facts about Zaush than he is in written rules.
▶ No.71659>>71672 >>71675
>>71630
I find it funny how a group that would gladly silence those they disagree with are always spouting the "free speech" meme when they're simply not agreed with.
Little wonder many of them are into cub since cub fans think they're being totally oppressed every time someone simply states they dislike underage porn. Same morons that think being comment blocked is the same as being tortured in Gitmo.
Dumbshits need to
A) READ the first amendment
B) Realize where it does and does not actually apply because "private property" is no tone of them
C) Realize that if they live in a foreign nation without it they're not even entitled to it to start with
D) Understand that someone not paying attention to you or not sharing your views is not a human rights violation, even if you are allowed to SAY whatever you want you are not expected to be listened to or agreed with.
▶ No.71672
>>71659
>I find it funny how a group that would gladly silence those they disagree with are always spouting the "free speech" meme when they're simply not agreed with.
People accuse us of being fascist, we deny it, and then you assume that we would silence people over a political position we don't have? How retarded are you?
>A) READ the first amendment
We did.
>B) Realize where it does and does not actually apply because "private property" is no tone of them
You are entitled to it if you're on a private entity that is is a monopoly according to the Marsh v. Alabama, there just needs to be a precedent set for the web as well.
>C) Realize that if they live in a foreign nation without it they're not even entitled to it to start with
US companies follow US law.
>D) Understand that someone not paying attention to you or not sharing your views is not a human rights violation, even if you are allowed to SAY whatever you want you are not expected to be listened to or agreed with.
No one said that, you strawmanning retard. They're saying that you can't deplatform them for policies that they supposedly violated offsite.
▶ No.71675
>>71659
little shits like you need to learn that the first amendment only protects you from the state. if some random retard kills you because your views offended them, it's in their full right to do so. they'll be the ones to deal with the electric chair later, sure, but because they committed murder, not because they violated the first amendment.
likewise, non-gov websites are private places open to the public, not public places. if the webmaster wants to prevent you accessing their website, they can do that and you can only cry about it. is he a fucking asshole and a whiny bitch for throwing a tantrum over some muh commie feelings bullshit? yes. but if everyone but you agrees with him, tough shit son. you only look like an even bigger bitch for complaining about shit you don't have control over.
▶ No.71677
>>71482 (OP)
So it's kind of like the opposite of this board then?
▶ No.71682
>>71509
You are a petty little creature.
▶ No.71684>>71689
>>71594
I never understood this. They're completely different. People like Nazis hate people for what they ARE, like being black or Jewish or gay or whatever. But people who hate Nazis hate people for what they DO, which is be bigoted assholes against people for something they were born as and cannot change.
You can't compare the two. It's just logically wrong.
▶ No.71689>>71703 >>72134
>>71684
He's not arguing that they might be different kinds of hate, or that one isn't maybe more "justifiable" or less deplorable than the other, just that hate is hate. And hate is a terrible thing, no matter who the target is.
▶ No.71690>>71698 >>71724
>>71610
You shouldn't because the confederates didn't have a single "flag", the whole point was that they wanted to go back to a more EU-style country where each state would operate more independently than the US. The flag being used as some sort of "southern pride" or racist dog-whistle is a recent thing that started with the fucking Dukes of Hazard TV show. Southern pride is a fucking modern meme, just like the recent pan-European shit. It's a way for morons who have no accomplishments of their own to feel as if they're a part of something worthwhile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_the_Confederate_flag
▶ No.71698
>>71690
Southern Culture is used to resemble Dixie Culture, or the culture of rural america. Has preceded the dukes of hazard as it occurred in the 19th century.
▶ No.71703>>71704
>>71689
If hate is a terrible thing then is not the next logical step to instantly ban Nazi larpers? Their entire shtick is hatred.
▶ No.71704>>71705
>>71703
>If hate is a terrible thing then is not the next logical step to instantly ban Nazi larpers?
They've shown that they don't care about hate on their own platform, therefore they shouldn't care about the hate that occurs offsite.
▶ No.71705>>71706
>>71704
>They've shown that they don't care about hate on their own platform
Please explain.
▶ No.71706>>71707 >>72121
>>71705
Can you argue that the several pictures and animations of them punching Foxler is a love of Foxler?
▶ No.71707>>71709
>>71706
Personally, I'd categorize the two separately but if we're going by a "hate is hate" rule then yeah that would be banned. However, I don't really think FA is making this decision on that metric, obviously.
Compare:
A picture advocating Nazism, an ideology based literally on the genocide of Jews, homosexuals, Roma, etc
VS.
A cartoon getting punched
▶ No.71709>>71713
>>71707
The former is dependent on the context and the latter is hateful as it's a personalized attack.
If the former depicts uniforms, weaponry, or a roman salute, then it shouldn't be prohibited. If it's positively depicts genocide of minorities, then it should already fall under the harassment rule as it's a personalized attack.
▶ No.71713>>71714 >>71738
>>71709
"Harassment rules" shouldn't be a thing. Freedom of expression might not be absolute, but it should be; as long as it is not a literal, physical act of violence. We can't know what's right if all voices are not heard. If you're feeling harassed, then your response is to grow the fuck up.
▶ No.71714
>>71713
>We can't know what's right if all voices are not heard
stupid.
▶ No.71724>>71727
>>71690
>racist dog-whistle
This is ridiculous. The vast majority of people waving around the flag aren't doing it because of some deeply inset southern collective mindset that we need to return to the era of Jim Crow. They're doing it because here in Texas we're told in school on several occasions that we totally still have the power to secede (we don't) and here in Texas we don't really like the politics of the rest of America. I don't even want to touch what Lousiana et al feel, having not been raised there, but we are organic states with our own cultures.
In the same breath people will decry us as racist uneducated hicks, they will then turn around and blaspheme any attempts for us to have collective pride (somehow, 'Texas pride' hasn't been targeted but probably because Texas is the next California).
It's like calling someone out as being a """""biotruther"""" or whatever fun term the left invents to shame people because they dare mention that black people commit more crime. Sure, poor people also commit more crime, but that does not singlehandedly explain the higher rates of violent crimes black people commit. You know what does explain it? A culture of actual anti-intelligence and entitlement. I'm sure the people off in their ivory towers where they aren't poor and don't converse with other poor people know exactly what they're saying when the poor, white people are all privileged hicks while the black people are misunderstood.
Come off it. You're probably not even that bad, but the whole liberal rhetoric is super fucked up right now and is actually gaslighting any white person that lives a poor life.
▶ No.71727>>71738 >>71770
>>71724
>here in Texas we don't really like the politics of the rest of America
Speak for yourself, I've been in DFW for 20 years. I was never taught that Texas could succeed and I've seen maybe 1 bumper sticker for it my entire time here. Texas is one of the biggest moved to states in the country, the north Fort Worth suburbs are pretty much a sanctuary for rich California transplants. Every big city and even some of the smaller college towns (like College Station and Denton) are liberal as fuck. You're either locked in some sort of bizarre echo-chamber or you must live out west in Lubbock, because you certainly don't get any of what you're saying in Dallas or Austin or San Antonio or anywhere else I've been that's not in the middle of the desert.
Most of the faggots I see toting confederate flags and MAGA t-shirts are at gun shows pretending they're rough and tough cowboys despite growing up in a middle class suburb and driving a comfy $50k truck with air conditioned seats. They're just ass holes who've found a label they can cling to. They're not salt of the earth poor whites, they're petite-bourg who consistently vote republican and they're the ones who put Trump in the white house.
▶ No.71729
>>71610
and the confederates would have died a little more if they hadn't surrendered
▶ No.71734
>>71482 (OP)
>we could not find enough evidence to consider Antifa a hate group and what was provided appeared to be of false-equivalence.
▶ No.71738
>>71713
That's my ideal position, but what I'm arguing is that any speech shouldn't be prohibited unless if it explicitly calls for the tangible harm of others. FA rules previously prohibited romanticized acts of genocide, which is why you didn't see those types of pieces on FA. So why would they need to broaden their criteria to include offsite bans further?
>>71727
Austin is pretty liberal, but College Station, Houston, San Antonio, and Denton aren't.
>Most of the faggots I see toting confederate flags and MAGA t-shirts are at gun shows pretending they're rough and tough cowboys despite growing up in a middle class suburb and driving a comfy $50k truck with air conditioned seats. They're just ass holes who've found a label they can cling to. They're not salt of the earth poor whites, they're petite-bourg who consistently vote republican and they're the ones who put Trump in the white house.
Nah, that's north texas. Central and South texas are the opposite.
▶ No.71770
>>71727
>I've been in DFW
I mean, I overgeneralized for effect a bit, yes, but please understand that DFW is basically a very small portion of an enormous state. Of course bigger cities will lean more liberally than other, but as a whole the state leans pretty libertarian.
>I was never taught that Texas could [secede]
I've seen it happen in three separate school districts across two separate generations, but it's really a misunderstanding of information. Texas actually gave up its right to secede as part of (losing) the civil war, but originally Texas became a state under the rather unique circumstance that it could fuck right off of the Union if it so chose (along with some stuff about splitting into five separate states or something.)
It was more to highlight the underlying political feeling of a not insignificant majority of Texas residents.
>a sanctuary for rich California transplants
Sadly. Texas is currently the big white flight target, with Austin becoming a huge tech center that will probably rival silicon valley before too long. I like to jokingly say it's because the people in California ruined California and decided to come to Texas where everything's great so they can ruin it too, but simplifying it like that is a little bit disingenuous I will admit.
>Most of the faggots I see toting confederate flags and MAGA t-shirts are at gun shows pretending they're rough and tough cowboys
Well, yeah, that's what happens when you live in DFW.
I mean, I'm not really saying you're wrong, just that you missed the point of my post. People aren't waving around flags as some sort of secret KKK message to the Brotherhood about how they're signaling their true beliefs, or anything like that. To boil it down to something like an overused word like "dogwhistling" is just dishonest rhetoric. It goes hand in hand with the rhetoric suggesting while it's okay to paint Republicans with such a broad brush, don't you dare call a group of people "blacks" because pluralizing that noun objectifies them!!!
▶ No.72046
>>71513
Fuck outta here nigger
Gee, who would've thought that the most degenerate community on the internet is infested with crying liberals.
▶ No.72121
>>71706
>several pictures and animations of them punching Foxler
Fox-Hitler isn't Foxler.
▶ No.72134>>72136 >>72141
>>71689
Is it wrong to hate murderers and rapists and thieves? Is it wrong to take action against them because they are objectively doing harm to society with no benefit?
The world isn't black and white like that.
▶ No.72136>>72141
>>72134
That's why Christianity teaches to hate the sin, not the sinner. Not that evangelicals follow this particularly well, but the attempt to teach that is still there.
▶ No.72140
>>71482 (OP)
>So will the traffic pop up here now that FA is unusable?
No. Because nothing short of all websites except this one disappearing would give us traffic.
▶ No.72141>>72143 >>72147 >>72203
>>72134
This >>72136
You should first take a step back and ask instead, "is it wrong to hate people who murder, rape, and thieve?" I don't want to make assumptions about you as an individual, but I think culturally we've fallen into this hole recently---or maybe it's always been this bad—of ascribing labels to people based on their negative actions or attributes, and using those labels to divest them of their humanity. Once you stop thinking of someone as human, it's a lot easier to start treating them like a monster, more justifiable to take the retributive actions against them that we're wont to take, and deny them any sympathy or mercy.
So to instead answer that question, it IS wrong to hate people. Love and hate are probably the only things in this world that should be black and white---love is always better than hate, and hate is always negative, both for the target and the holder. Just in our justice system, for example, we’d be so much more productive as a society if we focused on forgiveness and rehabilitation, rather than punishment and retribution. If you rehabilitate someone, then they can sooner contribute to the society; if you punish someone, like with unnecessarily long prison sentences and etc., then that’s time and money that’s not going into actually making them a better person and a greater contributor to society. Even from a purely logical viewpoint, with an example like this, as well as psychological studies on the ill effects of harboring hate and other negative emotions for extended periods of time, it’s clear hate isn’t good in any circumstance, except perhaps when it spurs action—but even then, there could be other ways.
All punishment does is make some misguided individuals feel better in the short term, because they feel that the punished gets what they “deserved,” and that there’s some return to “fairness” in the world. But that’s a misguided desire, and instead of indulging it, we should teach those individuals what’s wrong with that desire, and teach them instead to love, to want to better wrongdoers, not punish them.
tl;dr it's wrong to hate people, including people who do or have done things like murder, rape, and thievery. Just because they are "objectively doing harm to society with no benefit" now doesn't mean we can't work to change that, help them to be a contributor to society in the future.
▶ No.72143
>>72141
Whoa I was not expecting to read something like that on a chan board. But yes, I agree.
▶ No.72147>>72160 >>72203
>>72141
Some who murders/rapes should be hated, no questions asked. That's destruction of another life and there's plenty of times where the perpetrator had a normal life before doing it. So hate them, they deserve it.
Thievery on the other hand is a whole different ball game. Thievery implies some degree of desperation. That can be fixed with love and rehabilitation.
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▶ No.72156
>>72155
Not /furpol/ at all. Just /furryspeech/ :D.
▶ No.72160>>72161
>>72147
>should be hated
Are you saying then that I'm doing something wrong by not hating someone who murders/rapes? Is it immoral to refuse to hate people?
>Thievery on the other hand is a whole different ball game... That can be fixed with love and rehabilitation
>implying murderers rapists can't be fixed with love and rehabilitation
Beliefs like this are the reason why incarceration and recidivism rates in the US are at record highs.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/18/prison-could-be-productive/punishment-fails-rehabilitation-works
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12
▶ No.72161>>72163
>>72160
Murder and rape =/= stealing. They don't deserve the same treatment.
▶ No.72163>>72164
>>72161
That's a very poor way to posit this problem. From another way of viewing it, all crimes are ultimately some form of theft; stealing someone's life, their security or innocence, their material possessions...
The most effective solution would be a society that didn't secretly encourage depravity while simultaneously outcrying as deplorable.
▶ No.72164>>72165
>>72163
So you're saying if we let John Wayne Gacy back into society he wouldn't rape and murder young men?
▶ No.72165>>72167
>>72164
Is that a word I said or implied in any way? Or are you just trying to incite by putting words in my mouth?
It's an irrelevant point. JWG is a failed point - whether we incarcerate or rehabilitate matters not to my suggestion, which is that we as a society should hold ourselves responsible for allowing potential rapists, murderers, and thieves to go down that path. This is part of hating the sin and not the sinner - an animal backed into a corner is at its most vicious, because that when it has nothing to lose. Humans aren't particularly different in that regard. One would think maybe it'd be best not to back people into corners like that.
▶ No.72167>>72171
>>72165
Murderers aren't always people backed into a corner. Serial killers and rapists are predators that seek out victims. Not all of them are products of society, and even the ones that are should be held responsible for their actions. They chose to rape and kill, no one made them. Stealing is still a serious crime but ultimately will remain harmless if thieving is all that their up to. There's robberies gone wrong and someone winds up dead, then there's actively seeking to destroy another human.
▶ No.72168>>72171
>>71655
it's ironic really
politics is (supposed to be, anyway) not allowed, but only "discussion" is allowed and not porn dumps, and "discussion" almost always devolves into politics
it's like this hellhole is going to be shit no matter what because of the contradictory rules
▶ No.72171>>72172 >>72174 >>72203
>>72167
I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying. I'm not making mention on what we should do after the fact, and frankly a world that won't produce at least a few outliers is far too idealistic to even conjure as realistic.
What I'm saying is we would see more immediate and tangible results if we focused on prevention. I think even you don't fully understand the mechanics in play to lead someone down the path of causal disrespect for life, given your choice of words:
>They chose to rape and kill, no one made them.
We are, to a non-negligible if not entirely whole degree, a byproduct of our environment and upbringing. As you say - no one made them, which suggests that they weren't born with the immediate predisposed inclination to take lives or live out a forcible power fantasy. In many cases we've observed signs of autism or other functioning disorders, but as we know not all autists go on rampages, so therefore we can conclude, to a degree, the environment we provide people as they grow up shapes their behavior.
And really, it's not a surprise, when you have a school-age culture that encourages pack mentality and bullying, an egocentric culture that focuses so heavily on physical our outwardly offensive flaws, a culture that's confused on if it wishes to be sex-negative (no abortions, abstinence only) or sex-positive (any model you see is airbrushed sexual perfection), really I could go on endlessly. We have grown our very own personalized outrage culture that is specialized at producing more objects to be outraged at. In some kind of freudian monstrosity, we breed people to be demonized later in their lives.
There's no sense in hating the sinner when we as a culture sensationalize and profit off of their actions more than anything else those people did in their lives... I wonder just how much money has been made thanks to that recent Santa Fe shooter for shock news stations.
>>72168
I don't think that's necessarily the case, it's just we're in a very precarious time where every single form of media has to be politically loaded in some way. Even the most innocuous pieces of furry art can have some sort of political bullshit behind it - some artists have taken a personal crusade against "cuntboys" and instead flood it with FtM trans furries, always accompanied with a wall of text of irrelevant bullshit about the identity of the character...
In years past, we used to have countless threads full of organic discussion about fursonas, relationships, husbandos, art theory, VNs, etc.. This isn't really the case anymore, and I think it's mostly because the primary remaining userbase has overlap with the interest to shitpost about politics all day.
Personally I disagree with enforcing strict rules if only because the board is so slow that anchoring a thread does literally nothing. If someone's a spamming faggot then sure, ban them, of course, but...
▶ No.72172>>72173 >>72203
>>72171
>it's just we're in a very precarious time where every single form of media has to be politically loaded in some way
that too, and frankly, i'm sick of it
for me, politics is like mr. bone's wild ride, where i want off but can't have off (though i didn't willingly get on the ride in the first place)
>Personally I disagree with enforcing strict rules if only because the board is so slow that anchoring a thread does literally nothing
in fairness, i'm generally not for that either; i just felt the intended purpose of those 2 rules that i mentioned were ultimately contradictory to each other
▶ No.72173>>72203
>>72172
>and frankly, i'm sick of it
Me too. I'm mostly desensitized to it, though, and I wouldn't really dare talk about it outside of an anonymous location or with very trusted friends in a private location if only because you can never know who is listening these days.
I do think there are certain things that should be depoliticized due to how important they are, and mental health is one of them. It's not even something that necessarily needs some sort of healthcare system in place, though that would help - as a generalized society everyone's so addicted to their social media and sensationalized news. The day of the Santa Fe shooting, I found out through a reddit thread someone linked me since it's a few miles away from me, and in the same breath these [supposedly enlightened intellectual Internet users, of course] users would decry the media for trying to be the first to broadcast the latest news and getting into the victims' face with it, they were scrambling and posting about how they wanted to know all of the circumstances leading up to it, and were finding various political groups to point their fingers to.
I felt like I was alone for feeling bad for all of the kids involved, including the perpetrators. I've been in a dark depression deep enough that I contemplated some form of violence. I was able to climb back out through sheer dumb luck and strike together some semblance of a life, but it's the farthest from a happy place as you could possibly be. No kid should feel so alone, so desperate that they resort to something like that. It's not a political problem: it's a cultural problem. No one really wants to address this, though.
I only know of one prominent figure that spoke on this, stage performer/comedian Bo Burnham, and it mostly got brushed off as an over-the-top theatrical introspective act.
▶ No.72174>>72176 >>72180
>>72171
If you lead with prevention I would've agreed with you. I thought you were saying killers and rapists should get a free pass because of social guilt. I won't concede that these people shouldn't be hated though, there's already people glorifying them on tumblr.
▶ No.72176>>72178
>>72174
I don't really seek to glorify... It's more of a question of pity. They did the wrong thing, but harboring such negative emotions that might incite vengeful behavior isn't the approach we need to take.
Ideally, I would like to see more of a focus on rehabilitation. I see jail as nothing more than "we don't have anywhere else to put you" and is in a way legal slavery of its own accord. But yes, the first change I want to see is prevention.
▶ No.72178>>72179
>>72176
There are people who are just too dangerous to ever let out once put away.
▶ No.72179
>>72178
there are some people, with the right treatment, can be helped, but others people are just natually wired like that, and as unfortunate as it seems, they can't be fixed no matter what sort of therapy or similar help they recieve
at which point, you have 3 options
>let them back into society and risk having them commit an atrocity again
>put them out of their unfixable misery
>lock them up until the day they die of natural causes (or otherwise)
society prefers the 3rd option, as you might guess
▶ No.72180>>72200
>>72174
>should get a free pass
No one is saying that. At least not here, afaik. If you're unsure about the meaning of "I forgive you." It's not supposed to mean "it's okay what you did." It's supposed to mean "what you did was bad, but I won't hold it against you."
Hating people helps no one. It hurts them, because you're preoccupied with punishing them rather than helping them to be better people and move on from the crimes they committed, and it hurts you, leading to stress and anxiety if indulged, flooding your body with cortisol and adrenaline. There's no good reason to hate someone, except if you just "can't help it."
▶ No.72199>>72204
Cigarskunk is banned.
Now if only they'd wise up and throw rapist Zaush the fuck out.
▶ No.72200
>>72180
I used to think this but got more and more jaded when I realized the people I was dealing with were having none of it and were just monumental assholes.
Now I want that dumb cunt KaylaNa to hate me, cuz I think she's a stupid bitch in need of a punch to the throat. Fuck diplomacy with that sorry whore and fuck her moronic husband. And fuck all my other enemies, why is it all my online enemies are conservatives with a thing for pedo porn? Hell, they're a group I don't want to be on good terms with, ever, so why care if they hate me? Pedos and conservatives aren't people.
▶ No.72203
>>72141
the problem with all of this is ultimately that people will never learn
so you have two options: be intelligently stupid, and continue acting nice anyway despite knowing it will go nowhere, or be stupidly intelligent and want to punish people for being shits.
whether i personally choose the former or the latter, my vague hope is that humanity dies out with this planet rather than making it to space. that's not a desire for suffering - ideally nobody would suffer - but the story would just end. History ended quite a while ago, yet we've kept going, becoming increasingly insufferable and ruining the once great things we'd done in the process.
>>72147
The thing is, that hate isn't going to bring anyone back. Hate is an indulgence, it's for you. It doesn't bring the dead back. Despite hate being considered a "negative" emotion we fucking love to hate things. Hell, the Tabloid Newspaper / Clickbait website is practically built on the fact we love to hate.
>>72171
Adam Curtis has like a 3 hour long documentary about the crazy state of the present, but there's a quote in it from a web advertiser about why politics is so popular: "Angry people click more"
>>72172
>>72173
if i can get out of politics and despite typing a long political post, this is a relative improvement so i'm on my way you can too.
much easier than the choice to love or to hate is the choice to ignore. it's that easy. don't post that reply to the political post, don't read that article, pretend you didn't notice that word that reveals the person you're talking to is on one side or the other of america's stupidest political divide.
cultural politics is a big spectacle, getting involved is like fighting with or against the tide. you can simply ignore it, and nearly every story has more to it than meets the eye. it's not a worthwhile time investment when you could fap, pirate old games, TV and movies, go for a walk, get a dog. Even if groups you dislike are ruining media produced today, there's a backlog of quality stuff out there that you couldn't complete in a thousand lifetimes, let alone complete while also arguing about some mediocre, rushed game because the developers changed the colour of the user interface to appeal to [THEM.]
economic politics is something you almost certainly don't understand because almost everyone who pretends to understand it doesn't actually, runs into cliche after cliche and can't put aside their cultural and partisan affiliations when considering underlying economic forces. sure, this is a more highbrow and more serious hill to die on than cultural politics but you've still got the same problem - what are you going to do about it? at a push maybe a cult of yelling weirdos might help ban the ukulele if they all get together on the cultural side, but how the hell do you convince people that the route to success is to have the central bank change their modelling methods to take a more broad-based view of monetary policy rather than focusing purely on an inflation target? that's boring as shit, nobody cares, you can't do anything so go to bed.
all the time you should just ask "why do i have an opinion on this?", "why do i care?", and if you don't have a good answer and it doesn't feel good once you stop and think about it, you should stop doing it. you don't need some massive, coherent political system that's never going to be implemented outside your head: you just need to not be a twat.
>but i never wanted to be political, i just wanted to play videogames / jack to furry porn and then [THEY] appeared!
this narrative is always dubious but here's the thing: [they] can be ignored. there are hedge fund managers out there far scarier than any group of middle class american teenagers. if they're gonna censor modern games, get working on the backlog of slightly older games that don't suck. PS2 emulation is good now.
so in conclusion, strategic use of assuming good faith, apathy, restraint, and stock-taking is the route to a less angry existence. by contrast, just trying to be smart and find the right answers to questions is a road to misery because even once you know, other people still don't know, and you're going to get bogged down arguing with them for hours on end. actually that's a really unsatisfying conclusion but i'm not sure how to wrap this up and i partially regret writing it because i have my doubts it will actually help anyone and it will probably annoy one of [THEM] and i'll regret typing a post in good faith again but at the same time typing it was in itself a useful stock taking exercise.
▶ No.72204>>72208
>>72199
>banning one of the best artists in the fandom
Thats an AWESOME idea. More power to half assed trash!
▶ No.72208>>72306
>>72204
>one of the best artists in the fandom
[picture of that wolf girl with the hilariously oversized head goes here]
▶ No.72266>>72304 >>72306 >>72332 >>75949
>>71482 (OP)
>now that FA is unusable?
Nobody is going to stop using FA except the butthurt faggots like you. What you expect sympathy here? It's Neer's site, he can do what he wants. Why don't you harden the fuck up and stop whining? Now that the alt-white has openly allied itself with the KKK and numerous neonazi groups it's only a matter of time before the normalfags pick up arms against them.
>>71509
I support this only because the trolling will be amazing.
▶ No.72304
>>72266
anti-sage for your 3/10 bait that got me to reply
▶ No.72306>>72308 >>72310
>>72208
You assholes with too high standards ruin the fun for everyone.
>>72266
This. About time. And its hilarious what pussies the "master-race" always turns out to be one you make it slightly hard for you.
If they had the problems the people they hate have, they'd probably all kill themselves.
▶ No.72308
>>72306
Sorry about all the typos, I'm really tired.
▶ No.72310>>72313
>>72306
>he's one of the best, if you chase him out we'll be left with mediocrity!!!
>don't have high standards!
ah yes the furry fandom
so do you want cash or card?
▶ No.72313
>>72310
Hey don't blame me if people pay for shit.
But hey, I don't make them pay..... yet...
▶ No.72332>>72371
>>72266
>the KKK and Neo-Nazis are hateful groups that use derogatory and hateful language against people
>by the way, you're a butthurt faggot
the cognitive dissonance, my sides
▶ No.72348>>72349 >>72371
>>71482 (OP)
Now that they've stopped Nazis, what are they going to do about all the art that depicts violence against women?
They need to realize that they are perpetuating rape culture.
http://www.furaffinity.net/search/female%20rape
▶ No.72349>>72386
▶ No.72369>>72377
I cleared my FA gallery a long time ago without even announcing I'd be doing so, a mix between being burned out on art shit and hating Dragoneer. No one has ever said they missed me if they even noticed I vanished. Unless you're popufur you don't matter.
▶ No.72371>>72378
>>72348
not as long as Neer defends Zaush. That's how you protect rape culture, make an actual proven rapist a site admin and ban anyone who insults him.
>>72332
That's always the case.
Conservative says despicable shit-
>"so what? You're upset because of words? they said mean things, that's all, they didn't even do anything. You hate free speech, no one has to protect you, FUCK your feelings!"
Liberal says despicable shit-
"Typical, so much for the tolerant left, amirite? These people do not deserve to speak, anyone who doesn't believe in God or the superiority of the white man is a traitor who needs to be silenced! Their words speak volumes of how evil they are! No one should be allowed to disagree with me, we are called the right because we ARE right!"
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▶ No.72378
>>72371
wow it's almost like double-think exists on all sides and that there's a major problem with humanity judging by themselves by their intentions but others by their actions???
let's perpetuate that by lambasting entire generalized portions of population by one vague singular opinion of theirs.
▶ No.72383>>72384
watching an artist
uploads rape comic
unwatch and block
faggots will get pissy and butthurt that I don't like it, claim I don't respect free speech, etc, will enjoy their bitch tears immensely because they are not entitled to have their feelings protected. Not like I yelled at the prick, I just quietly unwatched and blocked, so fuck you.
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▶ No.72386>>72389
>>72349
>People are a shit
FTFY
▶ No.72389>>72398
>>72386
Women are more readily brainwashed to believe that they are oppressed despite enjoying many societal benefits that males have zero supportive access to. Males can be shitty too, but all women are literally trained to be bitches by society itself. Renounce women as the inferior species and distance yourself from the cultural war that feminism has waged upon us; it'll only cause you trouble if you don't.
▶ No.72398>>72403
>>72389
I'll pass with that faggot mindset, thank you; I know plenty of females, especially my own mother, who have treated me just fine.
What you fail to realize is that about third of humanity is garbage, regardless of gender, sexuality, ect., and you're just unlucky enough to have most of the abuse from that 33% be women, and you won't realize that until you encounter the wrong faggot and he does something to you that you won't like.
I'll be brutally honest: stay a shut in and you'll be fine. But I assure that if you keep directly interacting with people of society regardless of them being men or women, you WILL regret it one day. Mark my words.
Also, your other problem is that you keep wanting 3D. Switch to 2D already.
▶ No.72402
>>72400
why did you remind me about this and the cultural barxist
why did you remind me about furry nationalism with communist aesthetics. (seriously all of their shit is "furry has it's own economy not dominated by corporations, this is communism!", even though it amounts to a nightmarish form of pygmy capitalism.)
▶ No.72403>>72410
>>72398
I'd love to know where you pulled that arbitrary 33% out of your ass from. As I said, I acknowledge that males can be shitty as well, and it's not like I am incapable of communicating with people - unfortunately, in our service-oriented consumerist world, even jobs that shouldn't be about dealing with customers are about dealing with customers.
What YOU fail to realise is that women, even if they can be nice to you and treat you fine, are groomed in a very hostile sense. It's not like men are raised perfectly fine - they're not, considering that male suicide is a very serious problem in our society, one which no one really wants to talk about. Which is the point. We won't talk about it because we're busy considering the ethics of whether or not it's misogynistic for Mario to be saving Peach. Society grooms women to be especially egotistical - they're all princesses that should be saved. I'm sorry if you're heterosexual and in the bottom 80% of men in terms of looks, money, or personality - the vast majority of women consider only the top minority of men to be within their standards.
Like, seriously, you seem to have taken offense that I dared to suggest that women can be bitches? What's the point of telling me that some men will be assholes to me when I said within my own post that males can be shitty too? I'm sorry that you take it personally that I suggested your mother's a bitch, but hey, sounds like you're a mutt yourself so lmao
▶ No.72410>>72412
>>72403
>arbitrary 33% out of your ass
It was a rough estimate, jackass.
>I'm sorry if you're heterosexual and in the bottom 80% of men in terms of looks, money, or personality - the vast majority of women consider only the top minority of men to be within their standards.
Again, 2D. Is that such a foreign concept to you? Fictional people will always be better than real people, that's just a fucking fact. There could be a perfect real life partner for someone and they still wouldn't come close to 2D waifus/husbandos.
>What's the point of telling me that some men will be assholes to me when I said within my own post that males can be shitty too?
Because you strongly implied that nearly all women, save for a tiny, tiny handful, are the spawn of satan himself, while only some men are terrible people.
>sounds like you're a mutt yourself
>cuckchan /int/ memes
I see that I should not have taken you seriously to begin with.
▶ No.72412>>72415
>>72410
>It was a rough estimate
From what, your anecdotal experience, still pulling out of your ass? It's a pretty arbitrary number to throw around that, as far as I know, has no statistical merit behind it. I'd love to be able to use that number, personally, but it's not exactly the kind of thing people do studies on.
>Again, 2D. Is that such a foreign concept to you?
Brother, I'm talking to you personally, since you seem so quick to be defensive for women. Like, I'm actually sorry for you. Women statistically reach for only the highest percentile of males, whereas men are much more likely to settle for lower percentiles of women as well as reaching for lower relative percentiles in the first place.
I don't have any problems with my own personal relationships, BTW - I'm gay. I have the fortune to not deal with women being women, which is a far worse fate than dealing with men being men.
>Because you strongly implied that nearly all women, save for a tiny, tiny handful, are the spawn of satan himself, while only some men are terrible people.
I'm convinced you can't even read, honestly. I didn't "strongly imply" that "nearly all" women are the spawn of satan. Maybe you should reread my words again and find that I stated under no uncertain terms that absolute all women are groomed to be terrible:
>but all women are literally trained to be bitches by society
>cuckchan /int/ memes
I don't visit shitty Websites. I was making a pun on calling your mother a bitch, e.g. a dog, which being /fur/ that means you're also a dog, and the easiest word to imply that without outright calling you a dog seemed to be mutt. Personally I thought it was a pretty good pun, but if it's already a tainted term then that sucks.
▶ No.72415>>72417
>>72412
>since you seem so quick to be defensive for women
Both genders are equally shit. Just because most of the women you dealt with were a bunch of retarded feminists and that society does treat women better doesn't mean that you should assume that a women is a bitch by default.
Humanity is shit. Society is shit. Stop buying into both already. It'll make your life better.
>Women statistically reach for only the highest percentile of males, whereas men are much more likely to settle for lower percentiles of women as well as reaching for lower relative percentiles in the first place
Maybe that's a problem if you're actually looking for a lifelong partner. But, again, I have no interest in such, and honestly, nobody should, regardless of how lucky they were in life in terms of looks and money and whatnot. Fictional characters are better than people.
>I'm gay
No shit. I figured that out from both your hardcore gynophobia and your obnoxious personality that's straight out of the book of stereotypes (Not that all gays are like that mind you, not even half, just that you fit the stereotype too damn well)
>I didn't "strongly imply" that "nearly all" women are the spawn of satan
>>but all women are literally trained to be bitches by society
To most people, that's a pretty damn strong implicative statement. but whatever.
Bottom line, minimize your interaction with real people. You'll be better off that way, trust me.
▶ No.72417
>>72415
>Just because most of the women you dealt with were a bunch of retarded feminists
You keep making really weird assumptions about my actual experiences. I've had very few actual bad experiences with women. In fact, if I were to take an anecdotal gander, I would at face value agree with your statement that both genders are equally shit.
What I'm saying here is I think your desire to project whatever you want onto me is getting in the way of what I'm actually saying:
>implicative statement
I'm implying nothing. I'm saying, full-stop, women are shit. This is because of the way society raises them and the pressures exerted upon them as their personalities are formed within the world. In a generalized sense, women are the spawn of satan because they are trained that way, and it's taken a toxic grasp upon the world in the form of "feminism."
You're adding or subtracting words in what I'm saying and it's really weird. Women are trained to be professional victims in modern Western society. Despite enjoying countless boons, they continue to play to the victim. It's also not like I'm even personally attacking individual women here - it's a sweeping generalization as for how society is producing women on a large scale. It'd be like me saying that black people have terrible upbringings that destines them for a life of crime, such as the lack of father figure in their life, and then you going apeshit as if I personally insulted your black boyfriend or whatever. Yikes!
To spin it the other way around, for the sake of Devil's advocacy, it's like when people talk about white male privilege. It's not a personal insult to any individual white male. The difference here is that I'm not entirely misguided. White male privilege is laughable because it's more of an upper class privilege, but you know the hundreds of thousands of white Americans in poverty are ignored by neolibs as always. Such is life...
>your obnoxious personality that's straight out of the book of stereotypes
lol please elab
▶ No.75949
>>72266
>not Anti-Furcist Action
Antifas are irredeemable.