/fur/ - Furry★

>>49012

Get an e621 account

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Hey, how're ya spending October?

>>49019

hi

>>49023

Have you see those cool horse/dog/other quadruped skelletons people are putting on their lawns this year? Neat looking. Stands too.

>>49013

I already made one just to make a single comment

But opening a browser and visiting my favourites or whatever everytime I want to jack off is inconvenient too when I already have tons of images organised into specific categories on my hard drive

>>49064

Well, here's a solution then:

Get experience in programming. Dedicate years of your life, and create a super useful program that gives you easy access to your furry porn. Be praised by all furries worldwide.

>>49012

Delete it all and start all over, fag.

>>49019

comfily.

>>49069

And get rich on Patreon

>>49093

Literally nobody gets rich from programming. Have an idea for an app? There's already 500 of them, and most owned by a big company.

>>49115

There's no advanced furry porn manager, that's for sure.

>>49115

Well, depends.

Pretend to be a game programmer and develop a game. You will not be able to make the art assets, but the furries won't care. Youtube tutorials will suffice.

>>49115

If you can meet FSF standards, that'd be a good audience to've. Big companies'll never've that.

>>49155

I'd love this in all honesty. Free software is the best.

>>48750

By any chance would either of them have a purple dragon as a fursona?

>>49185

Every tool I use at work to make proprietary software is free software. Truly the greatest.

>>49238

>contributing to the stain of proprietary software.

Have you ever had a /fur/ related dream? Care to share?

Had one last night where I was walking along a park trail and saw a red fox mom and her boy riding a bicycle together. It was cute.

>>49290

I once had a dream that I was some kind of dragon anthro jerking off my big dolphin-shaped dick that pointed pretty much straight down out of my slit, and it felt so fucking good, like a million times better than masturbating my boring human penis in real life and then I woke up and was sad.

>>49394

What age were you when you had this dream? I had a pretty similar dream when I was young, except it involved using my dream-animal flexibility to suck myself off. This was before I really knew much about masturbation. It finished with me shooting something with snot-like consistency into my mouth and being startled awake. I'm still confused by it to this very day.

>>49411

Oh, I was an adult. This was only five or so years ago. I've had manifold other dreams about sucking myself off though.

>>49290

Something like that happened to me. I remember being in the woods at night and seeing a white werewolf running away. I chased him to a small house on a hillside overlooking a town full of bright nlights. When I went inside I saw the white wolf and another one. The last thing I can clearly remember was looking in the mirror and seeing I had also become a beast. After that there was talking. The dream seemed super vivid at the time, but I can't seem to recall many details beyond these. Kinda cool I guess.

>>49453

>Those paws

HHHHNGH

Its kinda like, a huge source of energy. Even though you weigh 20 more pounds and its hot as shit, you don't notice because its super fun and everybody loves you. Hugs are softer, smiles are wider, I don't know how to describe it, but it just seems like life is more fun.

sex in them is way better too

>>49454

>That spoiler

Fucking HOW? I can barely have normal sex without being in a goddamned walk-in fridge because it's so fucking hot.

Having sex with your boyfriend is the hottest, though.

While we're on the subject of dreams, last night I dreamt that Inkbunny ran on donations, and had a timer up for when their service would shut down that extended based on donations sent; and when the timer reached zero, the entire Website shut down then came back up with an entirely reset database, forcing everyone to start from scratch.

After waking up, I discovered that Inkbunny was down. Spooky, right?

>>49144

isn't hydrus a thing?

Good morning, /fur/. How are you?

>>49616

Comfy. Tomorrow I'll be tired as hell since I have to close my store and then open it the next day because people are shit. But today is good.

dude weed lmao

im so fucking high right now and I just thought to myself, why the fuck am I a furry? Like how fucking stupid is this shit like fucking fursuits and furcons like who the fuck. why?

TROPICAL STORM NATE KILLS MORE THAN 20 IN CENTRAL AMERICA

/OURSTORM/

>>49660

I made my head out of garbage

>>49758

wearing a fursuit in public might get you shot here depending on the color

>>49758

It looks better than a LOT of suits I've seen at cons.

>>49937

Oh rip. heyduder0(at)gmail(dot)com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrhR0AE_iLQ

Just posting this so we can see who gets the GET

>>50000

>roleplay was a canon character but make them anthro

>can't afford art to commission an anthro version of them

makes things very odd to explain.

>>49948

Still a while yet. This board is pretty slow at this time of day on a weekday.

Test

>>50604

>not putting the hook-nosed one out of her misery

Why do I like dykey furry characters so much? I've no interest in actual lesbians.

>>50618

>I don't know why I find so many people obsessed with it

The same reason people drink, smoke crack and shoot heroin.......its fun and life sucks

>>50652

This. Weed makes sitting at home after 9 hours of work a bit more fun

>>50655

Everyone smokes in public here so I can't really avoid it

>>50618

I found his style quite endearing, moreso than fap-worthy. His comic about two children discovering sex for the first time and going apeshit about it was pretty cute.

How big is your artist blacklist? A list of artists you won't do business with or buy art from again?

I'm up to three for sure so far.

Hel lo my name is BEEBLEfoxx. I'm cutting my daughters le g s off... I just became part of a co mmun ity known on...the deep web and the other hacker sites as the furfag! community.' But I call it, I like to call it the Indian Spiritual community...

shhh. I know. It must...must be done.

>>42774 (OP)

>leave shortly after bui shitted up /furry/

>come back years(?) later to find /fur/ with 7 PPH

So is this place basically dead? Kind of a shame, I really enjoyed /furry/ back in 2015. I've missed you faggots.

>>51054

>So is this place basically dead?

there's still people here it's moreso because the board isn't porn focused it's less active.

>>51054

>So is this place basically dead?

There was a bump of activity right after /furry/ died, but it's been gradually slowing, as has traffic on 8chan as a whole. I don't know where everyone has gone.

>>51054

at least we aren't flooded with an extreme amount of shitposting

>>51065

>I don't know where everyone has gone.

I'd wager a fair amount of them went over to /trash/. That being said I think its no proper replacement for furry. Trash doesn't even begin to describe a board that has constant steven universe threads after all.

>>51069

/trash/ isn't even a furry board. It's basically /b/ except SLIGHTLY better organized. I don't understand why anyone ever goes there at all.

>>51074

They can make threads for their shit fetishes

>>51074

I just remember looking at it a few times and seeing what appeared to be former /furry/ posters. Maybe that stupid pink dog or someone, I can't remember.

>>51104

Which they can't do anywhere else...?

>>51124

not enough traffic here. 6-2fag has more traffic

>>51356

Making a thread for your shit fetishes doesn't require traffic.

>>51751

They are the same core word so have the same definition.

I've been away for a few months. Have I missed anything while I was gone?

>>51961

No

I got permanently banned from every 4chan board, now what?

>>51973

turn off your modem for five minutes

As someone who used to erp often with a friend I was comfortable with back when I was in my teens, how do I get back into it now that I'm nearing my mid twenties? That friend is still my friend, best as ever, but I find it really difficult to actually get into the lewdness of an rp now when I used to be so loose with it and easygoing. Now I'm incredibly shy about it and self-restrained even though he's older than me by a couple years and is willing and practically always let down by me not being able to deliver, when I was also the one egging things on and getting frisky yet not actually putting out. He's a really good sport about it at least.

I feel like I've gone backwards, I fap as much as I ever did and yet I can't manage erp anymore, how do I get back into the lewd groove? It can't be my libido. It's something with my inhibitions that just wasnt there before, did I simply mature?

>>51980

Looks like you're simply not into it anymore, move on, find new things that turn you on.

>>51981

Don't get me wrong, imagining the scenarios in my head turns me on immensely, and I want my friend to be satisfied, but I just can't actually push into the actual sex.

>>51980

>It can't be my libido.

It can. Masturbation isn't sex. Fapping is as easy as sleeping or eating, so much so that you can practically do it on automatic. But interacting sexually with someone else is something a lot more complex, that requires a lot more to excite you. When you're a teenager, just thinking "it's sex!" is enough to make you want to fuck anything that moves. So you end up fucking (even just digitally) anything that moves. Once those years are behind you, that insane, uncontrollable urge goes away. You can still have sex, but now you need a GOOD REASON to do so.

Maybe you just aren't attracted to this guy, and so don't want to have sex, even digital sex, with him. You describe him as a friend, not a boyfriend. That's a pretty significant mental block to overcome.

>>51991

As logical as it all sounds, this is depressing to hear. I guess I shouldn't force it, but then again, I can't help but wonder why he's so willing and into it and I just can't seem to get it up, so to speak. The erp stuff used to be some of the most enjoyable and immersive times we'd spend together. Friendship felt so much stronger back then because of it, too.

Maybe it's also just because there was such a long hiatus at one point where we never did anything like that at all, I guess that has more to do with it. Easing back into this isn't as easy when I'm not a teenager anymore, it seems.

Hi friends how was your day today?

>>52061

I'm looking online for a job right now.

>>52061

Uneventful, if a little boring at work.

>>52061

everybody but like 5 people at my job got the day off. the rest of us still had to come in to work on shit. i was able to fuck around while pretending to do something important some of the day to waste time and then got off early. went pretty good

>>52061

I came on my pet snake and it didn't react beyond smelling the musky air.

Fucking nnecgrau is being a difficult little bitch when I have money to spend on commissions from him and I'm about ready to just give the shit to someone else. I've been a fan of the guy for some time now, I finally go ahead and ask nicely about his prices and contact information so we can set something up, and all the fucker does is ignore me. I didn't even say what it was that I wanted in detail since I do that after I've paid already, but the fucking guy is ignoring a customer that's willing to give them 80 dollars.

Like, why? He can't even fucking answer me about when he's going to open up commissions and I know this guy isnt some jasonafex popufur god-furry e-celeb that doesnt have any time for plebian customer filth. So fucking frustrated by this shit.

How do you react to people who say something like "I love x more than anyone else" when they're talking about a character that you also happen to feel passionate about? Do you feel that this phrase challenges your own devotion? Do you ever find yourself waifuing or husbandoing whatever the fuck you call it, a character so much to the point where you take such phrases seriously?

I merely want to know, how it is that some people handle the fact that they aren't the only person who's obsessively fond of a character. It seems to quickly become a competition until one individual's autism tops out, and then drama happens if someone's too insistent and assholish, being as stupid as to say something like "well your love doesn't matter because it's not as much as mine you're not worthy/true to the character"

>>52231

I don't take such comments seriously. While I am fond of the fictional characters, I also understand it's nothing to get so worked up about. I like and even love the characters, no more, no less.

>>52188

Ins't that guy account inactive?

>>52231

never been a problem for me since no one's ever demonstrated they actually watched my waifu's entire show before. can't really claim to love something if you can't set aside two hours for them. bunch of retards.

in the event someone did love my waifu enough to think of themselves as an equal to me, i wouldn't be challenged by it, i'd want to discuss the character with them.

will never happen. only guys who've ever shown even a passing interest have been actual literal niggers. i'd rather talk to myself tbh.

>>52239

He's active at twitter.

>>52107

I am the future version of you that is interviewing for jobs I applied to online.

>>52244

I needed something to smile about. Thanks future me!

this place is so fuckin dead

>>52250

Source on that pic?

>>52252

not him but that's osumatsu hair and art style if I ever saw it

>>52246

Not too many people are left. The mods decided to start doing their job by immediately pushing a pro-/pol/ agenda and censoring all viewpoints they disagree with by selectively deleting posts. No wonder so many have become fed up and fled back to halfchan, where (if nothing else) you're free to post whatever the fuck you want. Traffic has stopped pretty much dead in the last week or so.

At its height, /fur/ or /furry/ was the 4th or 5th most active board. We're currently sitting at 23rd. Pretty sure it's the end; this will be as dead as /furry/ by the end of the year.

>>52261

Furries just can't handle power.

>>52265

The bullied often make the worst bullies.

>>52261

>it's all /pol/'s fault

Nah nigga, you leftists just can't not show how upset you are that Trump is president.

So what happens is that some unrelated thing or event which upsets some lefty gets immediately blamed on either Trump or "Trump supporters" (and, by proxy, on /pol/). So when the mods delete their posts because they were off-topic political shitposting, the lefties can complain about the mods "pushing a /pol/ agenda" because they silenced their "intellectual" communist whining.

>>52273

Exactly this. Not only that but the very first time /fur/ ever reached 200 IDs was last month when the fuzzamorous auction was going on. We were never 4th or 5th you fucking liar.

Not only that, but here's another fun fact for the eagle eyed. You'll notice that on the board log, there are two different types of bans. "New bans," and bannings of people who were already axed which is written as just "ban." Searching the bans over the last month, the vast majority (literally besides one or two) are "bans" and not "new bans." This is absolute proof that the shitposter is actually one extremely autistic individual who shitposts all by himself. So don't say we push a pro-/pol/ agenda, the proof is on paper that the mods are choosing correctly. Fuck you, you bold faced lying son of a bitch. Nobody is leaving "in droves." One stupid faggot is just mad he can't puke his leftist bullshit all over everything here. One. Single. Person.

>>52273

>when the mods delete their posts because they were off-topic political shitposting

The mods are only deleting SOME of the political shitposting. That's the issue we're talking about. Censoring isn't bad, per se, but selectively censoring is clearly an agenda.

>>52274

So you haven't noticed a decline in the past couple of weeks which happen to correspond exactly to this sudden burst of mid activity? That's convenient.

>>52275

>ignoring the fact that its literally on record that all of the shitposting is one person and therefore all the bans are for one proxy hopping faggot

hahahaha nigga come on

>>52275

>The mods are only deleting SOME of the political shitposting.

Have you ever thought you might be seeing "political shitposting" where there actually isn't any?

My money is on you being mad as fuck when some trivial shit triggers you to oblivion for whatever reason and you can't have the mods delete it based only on muh feelings. So you vomit some leftist shit all over the place so you can now pretend that person is a political opponent, and try to have him banned for posting politics, but then you get canned yourself because everyone saw through your dirty trick and now you're here trying to sell us the /pol/spiracy and oh man it's fucking hilarious.

>>52277

You're telling me this >>52100 isn't political, or unrelated to the topic?

Also, it was in response to another shitpost, so pretty much EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, except in reverse. Thanks for proving my point for me, you clumsy fuck.

>>52279

on record

one person

you're delusional

>>52281

What does one person getting banned have to do with posts getting deleted or not getting deleted?

>>52279

No, it's not political. He's just stating facts.

I sure would've liked to know how bad was the post he replied to which was deleted.

Also in general, you can't expect to drag people into a political argument and then complain that your posts were deleted and you were banned, but the others weren't.

On the chans, users are expected to self-regulate. One or two off-topic posts aren't disallowed nor frowned upon. But when it's obvious that it was started by a single person with the intent to derail the whole thread, that single person gets canned and the rest go back to the original convo.

>>52283

>Talking shit about (((current administration))) is political and not allowed

>Talking shit about SJWs in response is just "stating facts"

How to know someone is pushing an agenda 101, kids. Pay close attention.

Third party here.

>>52284

is real talk.

If you're going to delete posts for criticizing political entity A, then you might as well delete posts for criticizing political entity B.

>>52281

So is the guy who just got banned for "replying to himself" also the same person?

You can only say "everyone who disagrees with me is the same person" a few times before you start looking like a liar.

>>52284

That post is talking about shitposters.

But yeah every political bullshit should be deleted(I'm not sure about this thread though since it was created to talk random bullshit), but there wouldn't be need for this rule if there wans't some leftypol fag spamming this board from.time to time

>>52261

>>52273

/fur/ dying has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with we went from having zero bans in over a month, seriously you can check the mod log, no one was banned for a month. to suddenly half the userbase is banned in a month.

/fur/ desperately needed some people banned and some posts deleted, but not at this level where you can flip a coin and if heads you're going to get banned. we went from one extreme to the opposite and the statistics make it clear which extreme was more popular and that was when absolutely no rules were enforced. we went from being a top 5 board to a board that's guaranteed dead in a couple weeks all from one single moderator power tripping.

>>52338

/fur/ was never top 5. Top 12 maybe. It's /furry/ that was top 3.

>>52313

>there wouldn't be need for this rule if there wans't some leftypol fag spamming this board from.time to time

Tell that to the guy who uses every single thread to remind everyone, at length, how every problem in the world is caused by pedophiles, who are also child rapists; and every problem in the furry fandom is caused by those into cub, which are of course also pedophiles and child rapists irl.

>>52338

All the banning is because of politics, though. Or at least the powertripping mod is using /pol/itics as his excuse for where he aims his banhammer.

>>52358

>all the banning is because of politics

there is a mod log. go look at it. i only see two bans for politics. the rest is just whatever he feels like. start blaming him and stop blaming politics. /fur/ is dead because no one can post because of him.

/fur/ was never super popular like /furry/ was, but the bans are definitely directed to a lot more than one person. In another thread I was threatened (presumably by the janitor but could have just been a fag) for being "off-topic" even though the thread's discussion organically led to the current subject. It was also the first time I'd posted on that subject, but I also have an IP that changes constantly and I can't really control it, so it's possible I was just getting caught under the crossfire if some other shitposter was changing IPs?

I can definitely tell you most of the threads here are dull and the board moves slowly, and it's really always been like that. Thanks bui for ruining everything

>>52338

> to suddenly half the userbase is banned in a month.

You mean one leftypol fag was banned dozens of times.

>>52374

https://8ch.net/log.php?board=fur

>>51963

That's good. Guess I'll just browse through all the threads I missed.

Is there a simple way to change your IP address?

I kind of got myself perma banned from u18.

>>52387

Requests go on the fucking requests board

>>52388

Wow rude

>>52379

???

>>52511

very little considering zaush has as much whiteknights as he does fans and furries are censorship gods

>>52511

just don't send your benis to anyone or try to meet them IRL

I think I've finalized finer details of my fursona. I'm currently seriously considering purchasing a decent reference sheet even though I basically never spend money on art, but I'm a wageslave and that'd be a poor use of my limited funds. It's a little bit exciting though, as the final touches were part of bridging together some things I'm passionate about and otherwise didn't know how to represent them other than superficially.

In other news, I've been enjoying watching the FFXIV progression for the new Ultimate raid. It's enjoyable seeing the struggle without having to put in the time commitment myself. Maybe the quality of this raid means SE has finally figured out a good balance for their battle design.

>>52511

There is nothing specifically illegal about doing erp with a minor. The written word cannot be considered "pornographic" (there's plenty of minor sexual content in books that minors read in school), and there is no intent to actually meet irl. If a prosecutor tried really hard, I'm sure they could figure out something to charge them with, and then wait for the jury to convict based solely on "b-but he's a PERVERT!", but it's unlikely it would ever get that far. No prosecutor is going to give a shit about some online artist, no matter how popufur.

>>52514

>>52536

On the other hand would they be boned art-career wise?

just venting. this person wanted to commission me, which is cool, and wanted to pay half up front, which was also cool. I had them initiate the payment since I never linked my paypal to a bank and it would take a few days. Anyway exactly 7 days later I see that I'm at a negative balance and this guy did a chargeback because his pic wasn't done yet. Kinda miffed that he didn't try to touch base with me first but I did take a few extra days so whatever. Anyway I apologize, blocked him since i thought the random chargeback was rude, and kept posting art. so he contacts me on a new account asking why I blocked him and that he wants the commission after all, after seeing my new art. So I just apologized again for taking too long for his liking, said he'll get his money back ASAP and stopped replying. I got enough $ to refund him fully but he messaged me like 5 more times (I don't check my FA daily) saying he likes my art so much he wants the comm and the chargeback was a 'misunderstanding'... what the fuck.

>>52565

I don't understand how its hard for someone to send a message asking about it. Sounds like that could've been avoided if they instead just sent a message asking for any update.

>>52566

Yeah idk. If he had just contacted me once I would've showed a progress shot, he didn't even contact me on FA to say he requested a chargeback after the fact. I'm kinda new to this but it feels like talking to people on the website is very hard for some reason

>>52565

Dude has obvious brain problems(coincidentally like most furfags), tell him to fuck off then deny him business without any direct indication of doing so. You did nothing wrong with handling the impatient two-faced bipolar idiot.

>>52567

Maybe it'd be beneficial to set clear guidelines of what to expect just so the next time some autist rolls around, you can just point them at the sign and let them read it themselves.

>>52541

Probably. At least if the 17-year-old was a woman who could cry "he raped me over the internet!!" and everyone will buy it.

I found a micro bat on our floor just a few minutes ago where I work! Put him outside near a shady trashcan. Doesn't look like he could fly anymore. I hope he's OK and heals.

>>52876

>hands vs paw/claw

I see the problem as a case of confusion. typically paws/claws I would see it as a foot substitute, as it is for normal animals. Hands are something you grip with, and have opposable thumbs, if you race has these, then it's a hand, and it's fine to refer it as such.

>species pronouns complaining

sounds like they're bitching about a non-issue.

Is there a need, in the character's culture or language to call them something other than a person or people? some races or languages could refer to them by species instead, but if we're talking a modernized, civil entity that is meant to be similar to humans, then people is fine.

>>52909

nobody here is going to be you dealer

>>52911

No need.

>>52913

I've been smoking less and less lately so I can get my tolerance back

>>52909

Hey i already asked that question in here bro

>>52897

Wait, so does the sil-poxy just not work? What on Earth are you doing to your BD penetrables where you need to repair them regularly??

>>53006

my frustration with sil-poxy is that it works, but it never stays, it hardens if you don't use it, and it's fucking rough on my dick.

these are the penetrables I have the most problems with.

>Natascha

upper lip tears, a common problem area, works for a few weeks but tears continue

>Lily

tore at a weakpoint between the delicious split and the entrance. it comes apart after one or two uses, and is the most frustrating of them all.

>Hazel

tears at the sides and bottom, this bitch is notorious for all of these.

I also have a legacy mary that has developed tears at the beginning of the upper and lower shaft because she's my favorite toy. I think the bottom sil-poxy seam is starting to come apart too.

does anyone have an older sofia and can tell me if you've had any tearing problems with her?

>>53018

>it's fucking rough on my dick

That would seem to make it completely useless for this sort of thing, wouldn't it? Fuck. I've got a JT butt that has a tear at the top edge and wanted to do something about it. Can't say it's a particularly fragile toy like the pussies are, so it's either a defect or my dick is just too girthy for these things. Either way, I was hoping to fix it up with sil-poxy; but if it leaves a rough patch, I might as well use goddamn super-glue.

This is a

>>53112

This is a what? Don't keep us waiting anon.

>>53131

Emulate them. Pretend you have the effects it gave you. If brony faggots can have a tulpa then you can pretend you're high on opiates faggot

>>53131

Your brain doesn't actually work on opiates, much less being "productive". It just sits there drooling on itself, much like your body does. Being high is like being a small child in a dream, euphoric because he can fly around and control the world and shit, and his every thought seems to be composed of the absolute truth of the universe and all the happiness and goodness that can possibly be all wrapped up around him.

In reality, when you're high, you blabber like a fucking retard about fucking retarded shit, because your brain has been chemically stunted into retardation.

>>53131

>How do I live without opiates?

do better street drugs faggo

>>53186

No shit, bro, if you're looking to get off opiates, I recommend going the gym route.

Getting clean, you've going to be hating life for a while, mostly because every goddamn bone in your body is going to ache. If you're going to he hurting anyway, you might as well be doing something that gives you a massive endorphin hit (weight training will, in fact, do this!)

>>53186

What's more, It's a pretty surefire way to combat depression and get your brain chemistry back on track.

It's gonna be slow going at first, but the long term payoff is very real. (If it worked for Reznor, it can't be that bad, right?)

>>53221

>dropping reznor down as an example

hell yeah

>>53221

>>53220

Don't listen to this guy, he is just trying to rationalize his own fitness center membership dues.

>>53131

>>53186

I don't know what kind of opiates you are into but it does not matter. What you need is an ADHD or ADD diagnosis so you can get on dat Adderall. This will solve your problems.

What was the Jasonafex raffle controversy all about?

>think about commissioning nuzzo

>mother fucker wants a thousand dollars now for one pic

I've recently gotten back into skating again. I really think it's helping me find an outlet for all the stress at home and work. I'm also spending on commissions of my furry waifu and thinking up new OCs. Thinking of taking up drawing too, should start with a pencil and paper instead of software like Krita.

>>53405

So when people here called jason a scammer they were talking literally? I thought it was because he was charging tweening comissions for the price of a real animation

>>53407

He is a textbook definition of a scammer and he has a history of tracing artwork; his animation business he runs now is his next snake oil adventure where the only reason people keep him afloat is because he makes sloppy animations of the most popular artists in the fandom and piggybacks off of them in what I can only describe is the very first recorded Furry Ponzi Scheme.

>>53411

>>53407

>>53405

Is there any dirt on Kabier also? I know being in a relationship with that beast is a crime within itself, but im wondering if she has done anything on par with the shit he has done. Or maybe even or personality, she seems chill but so does Jason.

>>53415

>a relationship with that beast is a crime within itself

That's really the only issue with her at all, she draws her own art, fairly decent with her standalone paintings outside of the comics that are shit because Jasonafex can't write a plot to save his life, it's just her boyfriend is batshit insane and she usually defends his antics; I don't know how much of that egotistical side is going to rub off on her, but she seems to be caught up in it as much as anyone else; she has yet to fall into the same tier of shittery as Jasonafex since he runs all the shady patreons and she just sticks to churning out art for his 20+ projects and having a personal patreon for her personal art.

>>53420

Really? Nothing at all but defending him and his actions? I thought she would have done something stupid because of him by now.

But why is she in a relationship with him, she surely must know about all the shit he's done, his true nature and things like that, but she continues to defend and love him. It's mind boggling how naïve she can be, she's too good for him, hell everyone is.

>>42774 (OP)

Hey were'd you get that picture form OP? can't find anything with google reverse image search and i'd like to find the artist and their other works, its a nice image.

I got hit on at work today. I had a late 30s early 40s lady shoot me a corny pick up.

"I can't walk, can you carry me to my car?" My fucking heart!

>>53515

Why didn't you instantly tear off your pants and hers and fuck her to death? Aren't you a furry?

When trying to get over someone you were low-key obsessed with for years and you suddenly learn you were too late for a lot of stupid painful reasons, do you find it better to try and stay friends to cure it by exposure or just cut contact and move on?

I'd rather become an hero but I have too many friends and family to disappoint

How does dating work? I don't know maybe I'm just drunk enough to worry, and socially retarded enough to have not bothered thinking about but I'm drunk now and worried that I don't know jack shit about it.

What sort of wizardry is it? How do you stop thinking nobody would give you the time of day anyways and actually do it?

>>53572

Dating is simple. You go around town until you see a girl you want to fuck. Ask her if she wants to fuck. Most of them will just slap you, but eventually one will agree to go on a date or something. Then you fuck. If it's a good fuck, continue seeing each other for more fucking. If it's not, repeat from step 1.

>>53572

>How does dating work?

step 1: have lots of money and be good looking

>>53601

That's just life on easy-mode. But it's not the only way to do things.

>>53608

yeah but without those 2 good luck

>>53601

You don't need to be super good looking or wealthy to date average looking people, you should lower your standards a bit.

>>53660

No you don't have to make a fursona,there is no standards or organization, just interact with people.

>>53660

just jack off to mickey mouse and you're good to go

>>53660

There really isn't a "community" of furries, any more than there is a "community" of people who like Star Wars. If you like the material, you're pretty much in the club, so to speak. There's nothing else to it.

>>53660

From what I've seen, the whole process of finding the community and digging into things was exciting for a lot of people so I generally see people eager to pull new folks in. You don't need a sona, but I feel like you feel a little bit more a part of things if you have one.

It helps if you're cute

>>53405

Jasonafex is such a piece of shit, like holy fuck.

>>53699

Eventually you just have to blame all the people who were enabling this shit and allowing it to get this bad because critique is apparently a sentence to hell according to modern day revised biblical texts, he was a shit person to begin with but it's everyone else who made it so much fucking worse

>>53708

What's mind boggling is that nobody seems to care, about the scamming, his shit writing, him having 4 fucking Patreons (I think) and him having the largest ego in the fandom. Are people in this fandom that fucking blind? They don't try and do anything, not even a raid on his discord or something else that wouldn't happened in another fandom by now, it sucks.

>>53740

This is the best way I've heard it described and it's fucking genius: "Jasonafex is the Mcdonalds of the Furry Fandom".

The guy pumps out mediocre comics with primary school level spelling errors so it's obvious he's not even looking at what he's typing in the word bubbles so the e621 uploads have to be taken down and corrected, he makes these shitty dating sims and animations like a chinese factory shipping out cheap plastic products, but PEOPLE KEEP COMING BACK TO IT.

That's where the Mcdonald's theory comes into play, you KNOW it's shit, you KNOW it's bad for you, but it's cheap, feels good for 5 minutes, but then you look at what you're consuming and you feel guilty, but it gets the job done and it's easily available and you'll be back in a few days.

>>53745

But here's the thing, McDonald's has improved over the years, you can safely say that it is better than it was a few years ago. But can we say the same for Jason? I haven't seen him change one bit, never seen him give a honest genuine apology.

McDonald's has improved, they realized everyone hated them and changed to improve their image, but Jason hasn't done anything, and people have adjusted to him not changing, reinforcing his mentality that he can do no wrong, and turning his fans in zealots who think of him as s fair and trustworthy individual.

Jason is egotistical, Kabier is naive and they're fans are ignorant, what a shit combo.

>>53805

All fast food has "improved", but that's not where the comparison is. It's like Jason because it's bland, boring, only popular because everyone knows it, obviously prioritizes quantity over quality, and nobody can figure out why the fuck it's so profitable because almost NOBODY you know actually likes it.

>>54324

those are sketches? There will be a completed work?

>>54324

Why webcomic? Do you have a story to tell?

>>54381

Agreed on all accounts but you forgot to mention how badly written evil cat in particular is, off the top of my head: he is genuinely invested in you beyond acting at several points yet kills you anyways (but gives you a pleasant dream as you die? also note the trailer where he cries over your body), possesses senpai for absolutely no reason (seriously what was the point of that? If anything it's more suspicious!) as he knows you can see him at that point and have no particular reason to distrust him (why he targets you in the first place when you have tiger's protection is a mystery too), baits leopard (who is literally retarded despite being an ancient spirit of incredible power) into stealing your soul when he can't get it from him in turn and much more... Oh also he's the driving force behind EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE GAME. Translation issues can't account for such a mountain of bullshit.

For some reason his sprite is medium sized and buff while his cg is small and slender. Fug I just wanted to date a femboy cat, immersion = ruined

>>54393

>Fug I just wanted to date a femboy cat

You don't get to.

>>54401

>>54402

Wow! Thanks for the lengthy answer but I think most of your rebuttal is baseless conjecture or outright wrong.

>I agree that he was written

Looks like you choked on an adverb there :^)

>I do think their attempt to add such a betrayal to their story adds a lot of impact to the story - and, in theory, if we had any actual emotional investment in any of the characters, that singular act would pivot the story into having a meaningful conflict and resolution

Agreed, the idea itself isn't bad. It's just executed so horribly, if they had cut it out completely and kept the rest of the story the same (turning it into a dating sim with a religious twist) it would be 10x better than it is right now.

>I think a very important thing to note here is that I think the rain signifies the beginning of the act.

It surely does but that is another thing which leaves a gaping plot hole: why does using his powers to kill you cause rain? It seems like a small act (even though it isn't if you think about what it entails) but leopard just levitating some flowers is said to waste enourmous amounts of chi. Additionally, when he uses his powers to make said flowers bloom there are no side effects. And of course after that he tries to kill you immediately after having a heartfelt conversation.

>This is all because to him, he has to eat; to make a comparison, it'd be like getting a bit attached to a pig you intend to turn into a rump roast later down the road.

Leopard cat himself says that he can live for many years without eating. We also learn he can gain power in other ways, just like discussed in the arcade, right before he tried to kill you after having a heartfelt conversation (he even cried a little). Again. A related thing I haven't mentioned above (as I said: there's more...): why does nobody pick up on his innate evil in that case? When meeting the lizard guy, tiger seems to sense he's not evil somehow, which is surprising given how protective he usually is.

>possessing Senpai was just a way to have already earned some trust from Liao

Again, I think the opposite is true. Taking control of (and as we later learn, killing) senpai would only make him more suspicious. Look at it from anyone else's perspective: why would he possess someone? He gains all of the burdens of having a physical body and senpai's daily life and no tangible benefits. He can already interact with liao in the same way as tiger and leopard. Both at the start as well as in the true end he confirms his personality was already close to senpai's (does that make him just as bad?) so that's not it. Trying to gain leverage (somehow, I still don't see any advantage) doesn't seem like good intentions. Obviously if he HAS TO possess somebody FOR SOME REASON THAT IS NEVER EVEN IMPLIED it's the obvious choice. But how does he even know liao is close to senpai if he wasn't stalking him? Luckily nobody picks up on any of that. Maybe he really needed sustenance (confirmed wrong), which makes him obviously evil in the absence of another possibility (particularly to the spirits who should be wise to that kind of act). Remember he says in the true end that he can live without liao's soul, he simply finds it to be real tasty and it just happens to be a good source of power too.

>Same dude. My plan going in was to get their best endings from who I liked least to most

My_Nigga.tga Someone drawing cute replacement sprites when?

>Sorry, I didn't realise it got this long until I got yelled at about the body being too long.

Don't be sorry, I'm glad you took the time. Also feels good seeing someone agree with my general sentiment. Last I checked the game had a 95% positive rating on steam somehow. Seriously? Fucking furries.

>>54417

>Looks like you choked on an adverb there :^)

Nah, he was written. That's all there is to say about it. Just, that unimpressive, literally nothing to say about it. English hard

>why does using his powers to kill you cause rain?

No idea. I only just connected the two things together when I was writing that post and had to check to see if it rains when you pick the others. I didn't catch on the first time because I was more wondering why Hynos appeared during Leopard Cat's talk when I originally thought Hynos was more focused on Likulau (because that is his biggest focus in the story outside of the true ending route).

As an aside, Hynos looked like some sort of fucking YCH insert or some shit.

>Leopard cat himself says that he can live for many years without eating. We also learn he can gain power in other ways, just like discussed in the arcade, right before he tried to kill you after having a heartfelt conversation

I could be misremembering it, but I feel like he thought living such a way would inevitably weaken him and return to his original state as a lesser yaoguai, and I'm guessing it means always suffering from the drive to consume. Other than that, his character IS meant to be deceptive, so a little bit of wishy-washy bullshit is to be expected, especially when we're considering his character in terms of 'alternate realities,' so to say. Leopard Cat could very well have not returned to Liao's room at the end, but he still did - even though he knew it was very likely to lead to his death.

As you say, baseless conjecture, but I'm thinking when he tells Likulau to steal your spirit is meant to signify the turning point - perhaps he made the decision to remove you from his life (by both likely getting you killed and also running away) because the choice between eating Liao's soul and eating Liao's ass became too difficult for him. I think this is supported by his other two endings - if you have a high affection with Leopard Cat, he has a different facial expression, and a couple of different lines, and at least the vibe I got from it was much more of regret. This is definitely just my theory, though, but I like it. Unless they add on to the story at some point, I'll just believe that this was the intention.

>why does nobody pick up on his innate evil in that case?

Huge fucking plot hole! Like, Tiger acts all super knowledgeable about evil yaoguai and shit in the true ending but he was a god damned fucking pussy about it the rest of the game, "hnnng I don't trust anyone I'm a reclusive shit"

fuck

>Again, I think the opposite is true.

I might be missing some information, then, but I think Leopard Cat was watching Liao for a little bit longer than the duration of the story and just could never make a move due to Tiger's presence (even before Liao could actually see them, Tiger was there the whole time). The impression I got when I first started playing the game was that Leopard Cat had been acting as Senpai for an extended period of time - much like the lizard guy was acting as an artist for a long time. While Liao does spend a few lines lamenting on the idea of it, I feel it's not that terrible of a thing under the premise that they maintain the host's will for the most part. It was said that after they leave, the host has memory of everything, even if it's a little fuzzy.

It definitely gets swept under the rug a bit, though. It could have been the source of a great scene where Leopard Cat leaves Senpai's body to give Liao a chance at spending some time with actual Senpai to alleviate his concerns.

What I meant by it is I think Leopard Cat was trying to make Liao think he had always been Senpai as part of the deception. I realise now that this is obviously a huge plothole in that Tiger or Likulau would have noted the sudden change because they CAN see him, so they would see this previous actual human to be a new Yaoguai, which IS suspicious, so I suppose maybe Leopard Cat had been Senpai for a while and it was a coincidence? Man, it's a sign of great writing when the reader doesn't know what actually fucking happened. In the case that he had been Senpai for a while, then I would say leaving Senpai's body when Tiger and Likulau presumably had observed him as possessing Senpai would itself be suspicious, too.

>>54434

>No idea.

Seems like they came up with a scenario that included rain at some point (again check the trailer if you haven't already, that reaction subconsciously kept me from suspecting cat for the longest time) and they just rolled with it as plans changed, consequences be damned.

>Hynos looked like some sort of fucking YCH insert or some shit.

not nearly as mismatched as cat's sprite and his cg. q_q there's already plenty of fan art based on his sprite q_q Some related bullshit (it never ends): When hynos warns you ominously (I also suspected leopard at first) he knew full well about cat (he has been chasing the latter for years) and decides not to tell you anything about cat's true nature. And another one: how did you get separated in the first place? They always stick to you like magnets (especially tiger, who physically can't get too far away without his statue). Surely they would have stayed close enough to not randomly lose you.

>his character IS meant to be deceptive, so a little bit of wishy-washy bullshit is to be expected

Since he's the only source of exposition we have in the true ending we have to assume he's telling the truth (after he starts to confess). It's kind of pointless to have someone sum up the story and go actually it was all lies lol trolled hard xd. Selective "lying" there is blatant damage control.

>I might be missing some information, then, but I think Leopard Cat was watching Liao for a little bit longer than the duration of the story and just could never make a move due to Tiger's presence

Nope you're correct! But...

>Leopard Cat had been acting as Senpai for an extended period of time

Sorry, that would make some amount of sense. It is made clear that senpai hanging out with liao is news since their classmates get excited over it. There's literally no reason for him to possess senpai. Straight from the script: (true ending)

<cat: I wanted to wait for an opportunity to eat you when that guardian tiger was away. But you spent most of your time at home and rarely went to isolated places.

<While I was seeking for my opportunity...

<Kulau showed up and messed up my plan. He helped you open up your third eye so I could no longer attack you even when you were alone.

<I had to change a strategy, so I came to you...

>liao: So... You took Senpai...

(some more "plot")

<Yes, your Senpai Yan Shu-Chi was eaten on the day when you opened your third eye.

If he SOMEHOW needed more power to eat liao he could have consumed anyone (even senpai) without suspicion instead of possessing senpai. There's no polishing this turd.

>Huge fucking plot hole!

But wait, there's more (not even close to done but getting tired): how come nobody notices senpai's soul is gone and cat is puppeteering a corpse? Assuming his possession keeps the body alive and well (fair enough), leopard can clearly sense this lack of a human soul in the true ending, both in senpai's body as well as in cat himself.

>It could have been the source of a great scene where Leopard Cat leaves Senpai's body to give Liao a chance at spending some time with actual Senpai to alleviate his concerns.

Yes! Also a good time to differentiate between senpai and cat in general. Maybe add some jealousy or other conflict. Of course this already implies retconning cat to not eat senpai's soul (and finding a reason for him to take over his body in the first place).

At this rate we'll end up writing a story longer and better than the one they gave us. Sad!

>(That entire last paragraph)

QUALITY WRITING 9.5/10 - STEAM

Too bad the game can't really be fixed. It would take at least 3x the amount of content to fix the pacing (not to mention giving tiger and leopard some development) and a complete rewrite of the plot (since it all hinges on cat and everything about him is fucked up) to fix all the stupid shit. Though devs, backers and fans seem happy the way things are anyways. I don't even know why I care about this shitty story, stumbled upon the game shortly after release. Random autism I guess. fml

>>54388

This is... interesting. I can tell that a lot of effort was put into it, but it just doesn't look good. It looks a lot like CG towards the end. Then again, I'm not full weeb so maybe it just doesn't appeal to me.

>>54480

I could simulate being a therapist for you.

What brings you in today?

>>54508

Out of curiosity, how much did that cost?

Will you be commissioning the actual webcomic too? You don't seem to be much of an artist judging from the storyboard.

>>54381

My biggest issue with it was how pretty much everyone was a dirty smelly human, with the exception of the cats.

Humans being boring and uninteresting and dumb aside, it felt like the story was outright fetishizing the cats, in the tumblr "minorities get special treatment in our stories" sort of way. It really destroyed all the immersion I had after the botched translations.

>>47839

I (surprisingly not regretably) play RCT2 at a fairly-high level. There's not much as far as scenario play on it like there was with the first game, so after a while you end up playing it like a super-realistic sandbox game.

>>54546

Please explain how you can play RCT2 as a high level gameplay. Do you have some sort of high APM shit or something?

>>54512

I will say that it is enough to get a fursuit. I'm lucky I didn't pay extra for post production sounds. It's likely a one-time deal sort of thing.The comic is commissioned as well.

>>54541

I will take the name off when they turn on ID's here.

>tumblr

>posts legocat

3/10 Apply yourself anon.

>>54540

>A bit cubbish but this is the qt we deserved.

Tbh I'd vastly prefer that over triple muscle cats.

Also obligatory request for MOAR like this.

>>54393

Anyone know what's up with leopard's two different faces in each of the death endings? I originally thought in the later one he looks off because he actually developed more feelings for you by then but still gave into his instincts, but then in the true ending (iirc) he tells you never actually felt anything for you.

>>54586

tl;dr the authors suck, don't read too much into it.

>I originally thought in the later one he looks off because he actually developed more feelings for you by then but still gave into his instincts

Garbage writing/inconsistencies aside, this is true. You'll get the second LC bad end if his affection is high enough.

>but then in the true ending (iirc) he tells you never actually felt anything for you.

You got that wrong. Your prior assumption is right.

If you want a more in-depth look at this dumpster fire, try reading the needlessly long yet incomplete discourse spanning multiple posts above. Or, if you value your sanity, just ignore the story and enjoy the (fan) art.

>>54591

So the idea is he actually does have feelings for you, but he's got an internal struggle going on with his yaoguai side? I'll have to rerun the ending again and drink it in more, I was wanting to do it on the sfw version anyways to see the differences.

Somehow I actually fell for this stupid cat and the "he didn't actually give a shit about you lol" idea is what irritated me so much, not only because it made the twist more painful but also because it made the true ending seem even more implausible and insincere.

>>54637

>So the idea is he actually does have feelings for you, but he's got an internal struggle going on with his yaoguai side?

Exactly. Replay the arcade scene, choose to comfort him and he says something akin to "if only I wasn't born a yaoguai" under his breath (might require high affection). Then he kills you if you go with him. Note the lack of evidence for any evil inclinations or uncontrollable urges until the sudden 180, even in hindsight.

>I was wanting to do it on the sfw version anyways to see the differences.

Fyi only the sex scenes were replaced with sfw alternatives, both versions are the same outside of those.

>the "he didn't actually give a shit about you lol" idea is what irritated me so much, not only because it made the twist more painful but also because it made the true ending seem even more implausible and insincere.

Nothing related to him makes sense. Don't feel bad.

Apparently the team is working on "Follow-ups including DLC, official novels and many cool stuff" and "will update a v1.02 soon to fix some unnoticed bugs and revise the English script". Remember the huge "A Romance Torn Between School Life and Mysterious Spirits" tag line at the nekojishi homepage? It's still there. I can't wait to be disappointed harder!

>>54381

I was thinking that it was a story issue, but it's kind of tough to add depth in a shallow subculture where the majority of relationships are open ones that start and last short. You say a few insincere nice words to a stranger at a bar/grindr for a few hours/days, meet them at an inn, and have sex with them only to never to speak again because you're both bored with seeing each other. Adding story to that subculture is like trying to wrap a wheat bread slice to a single chocolate chip. It's viewed as a hinderance because the sweet stuff (sex) is covered by unimportant padding. Relationships are regarded as unimportant hindrance that prevent you from experiencing the sweet stuff.

Those types of relationship don't have a "permanent mark" in their real-world context like hetero ones do (family trees, spreading genetics/traits), so I think the author did really well in trying to pad more to the game.

Hi, Banifag here

I've pretty much grew out of sparklecats except I still do think they're pretty cute (Bani especially), I just don't really obsess over them or fap to them much anymore

Ama

>>55735

wanna yiff, kid?

>>55762

sure :3

>>55735

Are you still learning to draw with MS Paint?

Finally finished a commission. Feel exhausted, especially since I felt obligated to add the story to go along with the picture.

Saw a thread talking about how the Japanese side of the fandom was much better than our side, is it really? I have a hard time imaging the Japanese side is some magical wonderland that is 100x better than the western furry fandom.

Are there any Japanese furs here that can give us a definitive answer? Or at least any westerners that have talked to Japanese furs or gone to a Japanese con?

>>56052

>kemono in general is more inclusive

But the Japanese are not. If you're a filthy gaijin, it's 99% likely they're not going to want a goddamn thing to do with you. Best you can hope for is a professional relationship, where you pay them for artwork and they'll lower themselves to excuse your lack of mastery over the Japanese language and ignorance of their glorious culture.

>>56086

what fucking racists, how dare the Japanese revere their culture and language, I demand they import 20,000,000 Somalians immediately for their crimes.

>>56094

This meaningless bluster and strawmanning won't make the Japs like you.

>>56140

I'm probably talking out my ass, but a part of me thinks that Japanese furs aren't nearly as xenophobic as the Japanese typically are.

Maybe because kemono is more inclusive, but i don't know, just a gut feeling.

>>56145

it's the Internet in general, I think. I've played a lot of jp-heavy mobage and a decent amount of jp players think it's kind of funny that there's a small english portion that will play their games, and they're generally accepting. older people that don't do much with the Internet are obviously xenophobic, as well as the underlying yakuza thing (that afaik is becoming less prevalent than it used to be) but generally the newer generations are pretty open-minded.

the only big thing that clashes is like I said the culture on games. it shows up a lot in bigger games like FFXIV in particular; en datacenters have a tendency to give up after a couple of party wipes whereas jp datacenters have a tendency to stick together through wipes for the entire lock-out. there are cases where jp will disband of course but the attitudes are very different. you can see this show up in other ways, like in mobage jp communities in general trend towards crazier and riskier setups, especially in coop stuff because they trust that if they fall there will be others to pick up for them, but en communities favor consistency. the jp players I've spoken to have commented that was the most surprising difference to them; en players 'undervalue' risky stuff in their opinion.

obviously the language barrier doesn't help though. en to jp second language and jp to en second language are really hard because they're so vastly different.

>>44707

Iktfb. If you can't hold an enjoyable conversation with someone, regardless of whether they start it or not, you're simply incompatible. Don't feel too bad, it's just life.

>>56086

By "inclusive", they mean that they don't draw a line when it comes to western identity politics that twitter users are outraged over.

Welp, wish me luck on my search for an anthro artist. I got a bunch of images I need done and my budget is around 250USD. It's for my story.

>>58747

Good luck anon. Are you going to post the story and images here when it's done?

>>59408

You should have made it possible to select multiple items.

>>46728

*gets run over by a car... again -_-*

come say hi introduce yourself

disc0rd xGTR94j

>>59408

Pokemon was the gateway drug for me. So it was Nintendo then Disney. I had other fetishes before furry though. I was a sick teen.

>>60468

As long as it isn't over-sexed and cyberpunk comes before anthro, I don't see what would be wrong.

sitting on the periphery of the fandom feels bad tbh.

problem is i'm too jaded, i'm your normal imageboard user, but i envy the people who can believe otherwise - the straight faced "it's not a sexual fandom!" crowd, the kind of people who can view something like popufurs as a novelty rather than having an instinctual feeling contempt for arbitrary hierarchy, the kind of people to whom roleplaying comes naturally, comfortably and is cute rather than cringeworthy. Now that probably sounds self aggrandising as fuck, "stop having fun" as fuck, and so on, but here's the thing - right or wrong, I don't like thinking like this anymore. I'd rather be wrong and find myself-and-friends in cringe threads than keep heading down the bizarre and pointless path of being 100% right in the company of none.

i don't know if it can be done. I doubt it. Even if it could, I get the impression that a large number - if not the majority - are repressing some of the realisations I can't hide from myself. That they're not part of the clique, that they're ignored or get low effort replies where others get flowing conversation, that your fandom is a business and unless you've got money you should go loiter somewhere else. Maybe it's even an income thing (why yes, I do own 3 fursuits at $2k each), or a career thing (We have everything, so long as it's STEM), or maybe that's secondary. Sometimes I feel furries are the vanguard of the future of socialisation - want to show you're my friend? :3 then buy me something! / buy something from me. And remember, buy it from one of those artists, the cool ones, the popular ones. It's not just about the art, but the artist!

It's not a future I'm up for. If that comes, maybe I'll accept that god has decided I am to be the first therian hermit crab. It wouldn't be so bad if I could stick to my own cover story - just like animal people, nothing to do with furry, but the thing is I understand furry. I can run off all the sites, some of the drama, some of the history. Clearly I'm close to it - but not in it. Not as a community, anyway. I doubt that's something I'll ever overcome. With everything I've said, and as critical as I've been of the whole thing, I'd rather forget what I know than accept I'm right.

probably a shit, cringeworthy post but I feel an obligation to dump this somewhere furry rather than burden /vg/ with off topic posting.

>>60507

>"it's not a sexual fandom!"

>popufurs as a novelty rather than having an instinctual feeling contempt for arbitrary hierarchy

>it's even an income thing ... or a career thing

>want to show you're my friend? :3 then buy me something!

>It's not just about the art, but the artist!

The thing is, all of these are elements of society writ large. People denying how sexual humans are and how dangerous it is to repress it just because you don't like it. People becoming stupidly rich or popular out of dumb luck instead of talent. People being measured entirely by their bank account or day job. Every social interaction being founded upon mutual (largely monetary) gain. And all worth of a product being what it makes people think of you, not what it does for you.

Furry isn't different from the rest of the world at all; it's a microcosm, a distillation, a concentration of all of the worst elements of humanity with few of it's good ones. It's less satire or parody of reality, and more hanging a lampshade on it. In the grand tradition of Animal Farm, the furry fandom tells people what's going on in the world, how things are, but in a meta sense rather than directly. As imageboards would put it: furry is the ultimate redpill. Dip your toes into the "community" for a little while, especially in places like this, and you'll find out what human beings are really like, once you peel back the bullshit.

Horrible, disgusting, and with essentially no redeeming qualities. Most people outside (and many of them inside) this "furry fandom" would consider things better off if it were wiped off the Earth. Well, same goes for humanity as a whole. QED.

>>60515

there's a lot of merit to the view of furry as regular society condensed into a single entity that plays up all the different trends in that society.

maybe that's part of what disillusions me as well, i still have the expectation that things should be different on the internet, with internet based communities. naturally they aren't (that) different, nobody's going to turn down cash because "haha it's only internet money", and from there the rest of real life piling in is a formality.

>>60523

it's not that it's just a sex fandom, but that you can't put the sexual element aside the way you can with similar groups. Some people try to gloss over the sexual element, or make the argument that it's not the majority of the community. I just envy anyone who could believe it. Maybe the problem is as simple as being a name problem: You've got anime and you've got hentai, so you can call yourself an anime-fan without raising eyebrows. with furry, it's all under one name. (or you can just name professional works specifically - "Redwall", "Zootopia", etc, and never group them as "furry")

the fandom doesn't help itself though. you've got furaffinity as the big art site everyone uses, so porn and sfw art are side-by-side - same with /r/furry, even if they make you spoiler it. sexuality is far more open in furry than with the general population, so when you want to tell everyone about your wonderful furry fantasy webcomic, there's a "oh hey, anon jacks it to furry" response that doesn't really happen if you tell everyone about your anime fantasy webcomic. as anime can show, there's no real problem with there being a very obvious sexual side to things, but furry hasn't kept the two separate, so even the genuinely non-sexual things take on an immediately sexual overtone. (i'm reminded of the thing where people looked up Majira's porn commissions the minute he said "there is a sexual side but it's not the majority".) Maybe furry's leading the way here too, maybe that's where normal society is going - i've got no moralistic objection to porn, it's purely practical for me that porn and sexuality are kept in different places and under different usernames to more normal discussion. (except on imageboards.)

I also had the animal-person interest going back as far as I can remember. The thing with furry is that while it's the word you use to group all those things together, it's also it's own specific thing - you can distinguish between a purely anthropomorphic work and a furry work when necessary. You can just sort of tell that Sabrina Online is 90s furry and Tiny Toon Adventures is anthro. Furry is in part a fandom for fans of itself, or a community along those lines. Insular isn't the right word, but there's something like that to it - lots of people are more interested in what's going on inside the fandom than what's going on outside it that happens to have animal people.

>What else are they going to do, purchase a well-made SFW painting of their character and hang it up in their room?

I'd like it if there was a bigger or more serious SFW side to the fandom, but yeah the economics of it are terrible. you have other problems as well as people just having less use/appreciation for SFW art - people are more critical of backgrounds, anatomy, etc, than when their brains are thinking "oh fuck, sexy pictures!" and they're paying money.

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>>60523

>>60531

though the whole thing being so economic is a bit disappointing. the fandom has set itself up in a very small-business sort of way, rather than in a creative-community way where everyone tries to do some of their own art. it's understandable that it happened (especially when you look at the large influence of porn, which does push up the required quality of art a little bit out of reach of the DIYers.), the whole internet has sort of moved in that direction - most people obviously prefer quality - but furry is in some kind of sweet-zone where the money has the oddest effects. Maybe - like was mentioned in some posts above - it's because we don't have a doujin scene, so when you're doing artwork you're always an "artist" rather than a "creator" of work that people really take seriously. (Like how webcomics in general aren't taken as seriously as paper comics.)

for boasting about being correct, it's a hollow boast. it's not really about sexuality or non-sexuality in itself, it's how that's symbolic for a willingness to assume the best of people, to take them at face value, to smile in the face of adversity and all the rest of it. it's the dividing line between "they said their interest is SFW, and I believe them" and "they said their interest is SFW, but a quick look in their favourites gallery reveals they're a liar.", it's naturally responding to "*hugs*" with "*hugs*" instead of sitting behind the keyboard for 10 minutes thinking "wtf cringe", and then launching into self-contemplation about why you did that (or for the more content imageboard user, typing "cringe"), it's in many ways just the opposite of what imageboards encourage you to be after all.

we all seem to agree that fundamentally people can be horrible - selfish, greedy, vain and so on - and from that, it's correct to assume the worst of them. But it's a pretty miserable way of going about it, and it makes it much harder to fit into a community where there's a lot of emphasis on the smiley, happy, huggy sort of atmosphere even if there are a large number of depressives. the simpler truth i can take from this is that it's more comfortable to just turn off that higher reasoning, smile, wave and join in the fun rather than being perma-squidward - but that's easier said than done.

(may have wondered a bit off my original thoughts, I'm not in as downer a mood as I was when I typed the first post.)

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>>60531

>i still have the expectation that things should be different on the internet

Except the internet is ALSO a distilled microcosm of the worst of humanity, because anonymity equals ease of cruelty. The vast majority of people, sadly, have been proven to derive great pleasure from making others suffer, if they are allowed to do so. The internet allows that in spades, if you're unfortunate enough to have experienced going a little deeper than your Facebook friend's list and that one news site that has the exact same political bent as you do (and where you never bother to read the comments).

>>60550

>I'm fine being jaded in the same way you are because this place is here for us

I don't know how you manage to be so normalfag when it comes to furry that you don't feel in any way personally attacked. This place, like everywhere else, is overflowing with hatred and bigotry and intolerance. Maybe you've just got rose-colored glasses on, or maybe you've firmly placed yourself in the "us" side of every "us versus them" conflict. I don't know; I just know that I certainly don't feel as if I belong here.

>>60567

>people value sex more

Maybe some do, but moreso in just how much easier it is to enjoy artwork through it appealing to a more carnal lust. When I'm feeling horny, I look at yiff. On the other hand, I don't have describable moods for viewing other stuff. I leave clean artwork in accessible places so I would just naturally see it when going about other places, but if it weren't for having times where I just sit down to specifically look at clean artwork, when exactly would I do so?

Music's a lot easier for me in that regard, because I'm always listening to something.

>You can buy physical copies of this?

Tokyo Teddy Bear is by some other person, but muzzle-lab's stuff is almost all physical CD. In fact, they don't release anything digitally until their physical stock is sold out, which is actually only their oldest two albums last I checked. Sirius is from F-LIVE!! and they just very recently started selling Roaring RoX, which is a solo album by one of the 'singers' from Sirius.

It's actually not super expensive, but if you want the insured shipping option where you can properly track it and aren't just out of your money if it's lost/stolen you pay an extra flat $50 or so fee. I was planning to purchase just about all of their CDs but now I have to save my money until I can get a new job.

I love you guys. No homo.

Except you Tumblrfail poster. Keep that shit in your /vg/ containment thread.

>>60592

>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! WAAAAHHHH~~

That was a good-ass read. Music guy, post your stuff.

>>60592

Despite the cancerous art, Undertale was fucking brilliant. Does your CoD have awesome music and deliver some emotional weight? No.

Maybe you're just a cunt who videogames shouldn't be wasted on when you can't appreciate work put into it.

Or you just wanna overhype Chrono Trigger or OoT again, since those are the only examples you have when it comes to "deep" games.

You probably don't even get why Shadow of the Colossus is considered a masterpiece and only see the butt-ugly graphics, or the cancerous fandom, if it had one.

>>60693

>Overall, Undertale was a great game, and came out during a year where we especially suffered a particular drought

So true.

>>60693

Megalovania was basically the only song fully copied from an earlier work. It's also the only song that doesn't fit AT ALL in the overall style of the rest of the game, sharing no motifs with anything else. It literally does not belong in the game. Of course, there's a reason for that. Of course... 99% of people didn't get it, just going all "ooohhh, that song is so cool! Sans is so cool! that song is so him!!" They're the same kind of people who think Chara is some evil demon who is responsible for everything bad that happened during genocide.

As for Cave Story, I would say it has better gameplay (at least it's objectively more difficult), but the story is largely boring and typical, the characters for the most part flat and cliche, and for but a few tracks, the music is forgettable.

I want this board to be faster but I don't want to contribute

>>60693

Eh, I can understand the pent up frustration. Aside from Monster Hunter, Platinum, and Ninja Gaiden, what hard games even came out? The old timers were restless, and the more experienced kids were blowing through gamss like paper. It's like how Avatar (the non bending one) was such a massive hit despite being gutter trash. There hadn't been a 'spectacle film' in so long they were in withdrawal cramps.

Like there were some games that seemed challenging but then mucked it up with health regeneration of some kind, or layered areas with temporary invincibility just before the hardest part. That appetite hadn't been whetted for a long ass time.

Plus on the other side of the coin, many of the game press ever since Official Playstation Magazine clearly had no idea how to play games at all yet spoke as gatekeepers to 'entitled fans.' Dark Souls for many became that shit test game you love to see people fail at. Like the revival of the space exploration genre, there was a massive empty hole there.... and suddenly, there was not. Now we feel like it never left again (Everspace, Elite, Star Sector, Star Citizen, Rogue System), the vacuum is filled once more. And the people who bided their time waiting? They don't wanna just talk about those, they want you to be able yo engage with them on the classics too. The shit tests don't mean to be mean-spirited but they want to know these newer people could hack it in say, a live co-op on Hamachi of Growl. So the wider community elected Dark Souls the gatekeeper of "git gud." If you can't handle that then you won't appreciate the utterly masochistic games that made up their past. It is, in effect, a form of hazing.

>>61604

I've never understood this absurd idea that videogames SHOULD be extremely difficult, often to the exclusion of all else. That's mere fallout from the arcade days, when a game's difficulty was a direct correlation with more profits, and arcades were all that existed. At the time, it was either keep quarter-feeding (and git gud) or fuck off and don't play video games. Now that people have a choice between a wide variety of games, however, it's become completely obvious that most of them aren't looking for mindlessly-smash-your-face-into-a-wall-for-hours video games.

A game that is difficult to play is like a movie that is difficult to watch; it's like implying every single movie should be a total mindfuck plot and nothing else matters so long as you have to really struggle to understand what is going on. That's idiotic. Saying every game should be as hard as Dark Souls is like saying that every movie should be as mindfucky as Inception; and saying that games that aren't Nintendo-hard are for "casuals" is like saying there are no levels of complexity of movie plots between Inception and Disney movies --- that it's either/or.

The big issue is simply the fact that all difficulty in video games is "artificial difficulty"; AI that can actually challenge the human intellect has not been invented yet. Oh sure, there are some supercomputers that can beat humans in painfully-simple, and completely solved games like Chess and Go, but there still isn't one that can play even a basic RTS like Starcraft at a human level; it just has to cheat. The only way a video game can have challenge is either by cheating, or by exploiting the fact that human beings are not robots and don't have perfect input precision without a lot of practice. Any game that can be totally mastered with a TAS isn't really a worthy challenge. It's like saying killing a fly is hard; it's only difficult because it's hard to hit accurately.

And these hipster fucks want to pretend to be a gatekeeper of video games because they can do frame-perfect inputs? Come on. A pocket-calculator can do frame-perfect inputs; but you're going to tell me that such simplicity is a worthy challenge for a being that can walk on the Moon and build a rocket to get there? Ridiculous!

The only POSSIBLE challenge a video game can have, with current technology, beyond swatting-at-a-fly level, is a self-imposed one. The funny thing about that is you can do self-imposed challenges in any video game. For a reductio ad absurdum example: if you set a challenge to beat the first level of Angry Birds with your eyes closed, both hands tied behind your back, on the summit of Mt. Fucking Everest, it'll be harder than Dark Souls.

>There hadn't been a 'spectacle film' in so long

The last epic movie was Titanic, mostly because they actually built half the goddamn ship and had real period costumes and custom designed props. The advent of CGI to replace 90% of blockbuster movies with actors in front of green screens forever killed any chance an epic movie will ever happen again. It's just too cheap compared to the alternative. Avatar was a mere harbinger.

>>61610

Hard games are good because they require you to think more and search for useful strategies that you can exploit. Dark Souls and Rainbow Six aren't hard, they just require you to have the bare minimum of situational awareness and notice patterns. Doesn't matter if it can be done by a computer since a computer can complete easy games as well.

There's no point in playing easy games that frequently reward you with lootboxes like Overwatch. If you want an easy game, then watch an action movie instead of pushing buttons.

>>61605

Unrelated question since you know more about the oblivious noble savage nips than I do, I've been noticing a lot of artists haven't been doing the regular censorship over penises lately on Pixiv, are some laws getting changed or are they just flying in the face of it?

>>61604

I mean, of course I understand the pent up frustration too. The problem is, I don't think the problems we were suffering had much to do with difficulty at the time, it just sort of became a side effect. Overall I blame Twilight Princess as being the big turning point where people were really unsatisfied with the state of gaming. TP took a lot of power away from the player and led them down a pretty narrow corridor for the large majority of the game in a series of games that was otherwise about exploring and especially the split exploration of the overworld and the underworld.

The backlash from TP at launch was enormous. Even though now a lot of people will talk about how they like TP, at the time it came out many people hated how the game treats you. For me, it's not even the linearity that really gets me, but what really pissed me off about the game is that every single turn the game tries to slow you down. Seriously, every single dungeon has some sort of design that either intentionally or as a side effect slows you down except for like two of them.

We also saw a lot of this stuff come up with GamerGate. Ignoring the whole debate over whether it was sexist or not, it was centered around a lot of dislike for game creators who were making "games" that didn't really have a win or lose condition. Like, the kind of developers that saw Stanley Parable's success and thought they could capitalize on it to send their politicized message without realising that part of Stanley Parable's winning popularity was that it was funny and also gave you some semblance of control. Ironically, Stanley Parable in part makes fun of this, too.

It's like, we have this gap of several years where I swear to god nothing came out except for 50 different Telltale "Games."

>>61621

tl;dr: No one should play or design hard games because computers master them.

He wrote a lot, but he didn't say much. It's a skill that I got from writing papers in uni.

His point is kind of silly as those "hard" games require to you notice patterns and be aware of your surroundings. However, it seems that modern developers want to design everything for players who want instant gratification and think last-minute.

>>61619

>He thinks there's only "hard games", and shitty games with lootboxes

You didn't understand a thing I said.

>>61622

>"hard" games require to you notice patterns and be aware of your surroundings

Literal babies can do that. You do that every time you get up and walk to the fridge. Those "patterns" reveal themselves on the first fucking screen. The challenge isn't recognizing them, it's threading through the pixels with pinpoint precision. If merely identifying the pattern and coming up with a strategy were the only thing you had to do in one of those games, you'd be done with it in five minutes. What takes up your time is grinding at the same thing until you get it just right before your character loses an arbitrary number of hit points. The only challenge is how well you can press the buttons.

>>61645

>The challenge isn't recognizing them, it's threading through the pixels with pinpoint precision.

That's not hard to do at all because it's a matter of knowing how everything works through pattern recognition and knowing your surroundings.

wish there was some kind of anonymous chat service

sitting in multiple furry discords but since i have a username (albeit an arbitrary one created while severely drunk and not linked to anything else i do) there's no real impetus to speak.

though in fairness i probably wouldn't speak even in an anonymous setting, since it feels nasty to interrupt conversations and go "can you explain why you did that?" when really i'm just warped after years of reclusiveness.

>>61648

Who would want an antler dog? Is that even a thing, like jackelopes?

>>61654

antlers can be taken off if needed, because the antlers are clothing items

written for a non furry audience and generalising an underlying thought to a universal trend, but interested in thoughts in this depressive take:

>the more i look the more i realise just how depressing furry is.

>it's not the animal people sex thing, that's by-the-by. it's the economics of the fandom.

>nobody cares about you, so you pay someone to draw pictures of your animal person having sex, and then people searching "animal people sex" find the picture and if you've tagged it better than the other person they'll probably find your copy, and then they comment and say "murr :3" and that's your attention, and if you do that often enough, buy enough pictures, with the right balance of fetishes, then people care about you, especially if you pay the premium to buy from popular artists, which also means you get like 15 seconds of attention when they ask "yo senpai what kind of animal dick you want?"

>and that's it, that's the economics, it's like twitter if all you did was buy followers. nobody cares about you, just the drawings you've bought, or the money you can give them. sitting and mapping that out is fucking soul destroying.

>>61820

What's really depressing is knowing that, even if you were the best writer in the entire fucking fandom, you'd never be able to make a single dime unless you:

1) Write a lot of really disgusting, fetishy, meaningless porn-without-plot, and beg for patreon donations.

2) Write thousands of $10 commissions for people of their disgusting, fetishy, meaningless fursonas.

3) Get some great artists to draw your cover art and sell the stories as physical media.

4) Collab with a decent-to-good artist to do a comic, and accept that nobody will give a shit about your contribution.

>>61650

I don't remember posting this, are you me?

>>61879

You've individualised my point too much. My own social failures are a very different topic to what that tries to explain. I could have the widest circle of the best possible, most popular friends, and I'd still go over such an underlying pessimistic view trying to figure things out. Just because I win doesn't mean others aren't losing.

i'm in several furry discords and it's what spurred me to think about the nature of the fandom itself. people talk (in a vaguely awkward small-talk sort of way.) about themselves, their day, or they talk about games and so on, usually in short bursts, or they shitpost, in the normal discord shitposting manner. now that's that's great*, but how's that furry? they've all got furry avatars, but other than that you'd find the same thing anywhere else. you don't join the Star Wars fandom to talk about C++. How does furry as furry function? Well, now you get closer to my model. It doesn't have to be art, but you're going to buy something right? As market logic, it makes sense - anything I can say about Overwatch someone on Twitter, Reddit or Discord has already said better. Supply > Demand. But I can take a mean photo with a furry t-shirt I paid to have printed. I can buy a shoutout from a streamer. I can general terms make up for my deficit in creativity with my surplus in cash. And you'll laugh, because it is a funny photograph.

There's also a question of what is generally promoted as behaviour. You've got a Fursona, right? Any art? No? Ref sheet? No? Commission one! Commission more! Buy my badges! Buy a fursuit! I don't know what else I expect people to actually do but it's still bizarre from the perspective of someone who's been in other non-furry communities without opportunities for monetisation. (Or in one case, which ran someone out of town for bringing the topic up... Ha.) Probably the weirdest thing is people aspiring to have lots of commissions rather than learning to draw - now yeah, learning to draw sucks. It's hard and boring and unrewarding for far too long, but aspiring to just flat out say fuck it and throw money at the problem? That's a new one for me, and it's a fascinating nebulous of the very business-y and pro-business nature of the fandom as a whole. It's the creative fandom for the 21st century. One where you outsource to people more skilled than you, being the idea guy at best and more often just the discerning consumer. I mean as a market, it's truly a thing of beauty. Economists would surely have a field day if they could only get over the rainbow foxes...

there was also something about hierarchy (simple version being that the best discord furry who's spend $0 on art will be less recognized/famous/popular in the wider fandom than their discord server is of lower status than even a moderate commission... glutton?) but real talk i've been awake more than 24 hours and it's not good so i'm going to post this as is without consulting my editor.

*completely unfulfilling nature of such conversations, and superficial nature (i.e. user talks about their day once then leaves server) of a good number if not a plurality of them aside.

>>42774 (OP)

tried to join furry discords. What I experienced was.

-Tight knit community that is passive aggressive towards new users. I was nitpicked every time I tried to talk when I wasn't just straight up ignored. People seemed generally distrusting of me. I noticed most new people who join and talk ended up banned most of the time.

Bonus: One of the Admin's had something against shut ins and only wanted "normies" on the server.

-server with a bunch of weird channels for every small thing over 1000 users and only 2 people talking.

-Server that just instantly banned me as soon as I joined. I have no clue why. I'm going to assume its because I didn't have a furry avatar and my username wasn't "xxx_darkfox420_xxx".

-Server with no staff someone just spammed nigger in every channel.

Rest of the servers were sfw so I didn't bother joining them because they were probably even worse.

(expectation) poor autistic weirdos who create novel fantasies that they take too seriously

(reality) well paid neurotypicals who pay other people to draw porn while overdosing on irony

>>61650

There are several bots on telegram just for that.

why is this thread so slow

>>63366

> passive aggressive towards new users

That means lurk more.

>>63366

Discord, like most other communal frameworks, become more self-absorbed and elitist the more popular it is. The few among the majority that are "in charge" start to drive the culture a certain way, and any differing opinions are often slammed down simply for being different. This is even moreso compounded when you get recent mods that take power too far and could actually kick/ban for something the original founders wouldn't have.

In a sense, >>63811 is absolutely correct. If you join a large community of anything, you best learn the ins and outs or you'll be shat on for daring to speak out of turn, regardless of how "open and friendly" they always try to say they are.

It's why I always found it funny how much MMOs try to incentivize new players joining extremely large guilds. I understand the developer's thought process in trying to get newbies to set up friendships and bonds in-game, but unless you're the yesman type of person, it generally doesn't work.

It's best to find the smaller or less officially organized groups to either keep it that way, or grow with the founders. That will ensure that your philosophies fit in with the groupthink and you are essentially immune from the shit listed above.

can't shake the feeling furry is dominated by rich americans and it's making me feel insecure

>>63834

Buddy the entire world is ran by rich people, there is no place or fandom where a microcosm of this reality does not hold true. Stop comparing yourself to them, there's no point. The sooner you realize that your and everybody else's life and circumstances are vastly different from each other the better. Who cares what they're doing? You don't know them, only a small window, a concept of them. You NEED to focus on yourself only. It's the only way you'll improve

>>63834

Germany has a pretty fucking high concentration of furfags as well my friend, I'm willing to bet the rich ones over there have quite a bit of influence on what kind of dicks are being shoved into what kind of holes in your pornagraphic fur person pictographs.

>>63861

yeah that sounds nice

>>63861

Go away

Waiting patiently for tomorrow to find out if I got chosen for a fursuit slot by one of my favourite makers. Wish me luck fam.

>>63861

>>63948

Or you know, you could try being a normal person for once and gain respect instead of this cringy ass "war" for it.

>>63941

Update, got the slot

Fuckin hype fam

So my long distance bf just dumped me. We'd had some issues for quite a while that he wouldn't really talk about so I sorta figured it might happen and I was emotionally prepared for it to happen, but fug. G-guess I'm back on the market for husband shopping.

>>64592

"Back on the husband market," or something like that. Bleh.

>>64148

who is the maker??

I'm trying to register for furaffinity so I can get past the login gatekeeper, but every single username I can think up is already taken. Should I just bang on the keyboard?

>>64667

Pretty good looking suits for the style. Hope you enjoy it lad.

>>64666

Probably the gates hell keeping you out, satan.

i dislike how prevalent commerce is in this fandom.

it's not about the cost of things, which i could afford if i wanted to pay. it's just how commercial everything is. it's somehow sucked the soul out just as badly as if it was being done by corporations.

it wouldn't even be so bad if it was recognised as a business move, but paying artists is still seen as a social thing as well. the peak of the farce is when you've got communists who want to abolish money arguing that artists have a right to charge $1200 for a YCH if people will pay it. So if you complain, you're seen as going after people personally, or disparaging the community, rather than simply wondering if there's more to a fandom than buying stuff and talking about stuff you bought. Maybe there isn't - despite constantly believing the fandom could be better or more interesting or something, the only real idea I ever had was that people should try to do more things for themselves.

in part i want to just accept i'm wrong and enjoy things for what they are, but i've got the constant barrier that i refuse to spend money on several grounds, so i mean what the hell is there for me to do? lurk in discords on a throwaway account, apparently.

maybe i should start a kickstarter for a trip to dignitas. stretch goal: livestream it.

>>66287

It's just the natural result of consumerism. Your value to society and as a person is typically measured by how much you're willing to spend. People (especially leftists, but it's not like the right isn't ignorant on this as well) like to pretend we're civilized when really we're not even divorced from the idea of seeing offspring as property and status. Even if subconsciously, people regard offspring as a tax break.

Personally I'm for artists getting paid, because it's not like it's a short trip to get there. Learning anatomy and practicing good drawing habits can take years and years of practice, even if a lot of artists sort of stumble into it by accident without even learning proper habits. That said, there are certainly a lot of elements of greed... We currently exist in a sub-culture of fanworks, with original content being sidelined by whatever the particularly popular mainstream content is. MLP, Undertale, Zootopia, etc.. It'll fall apart eventually.

>>66287

It was always commercial since you paid for indie comics and conventions in the past. Same goes for geek stuff in general, you pay for movies, trading cards, dlc, tv/movie subscriptions, videogames, etc.

>>66289

i'm not against artists getting paid, but they way they do it in furry had odd social consequences.

>People (especially leftists, but it's not like the right isn't ignorant on this as well) like to pretend we're civilized when really we're not even divorced from the idea of seeing offspring as property and status. Even if subconsciously, people regard offspring as a tax break.

tbh i'm still dealing with the mental fallout of realising that quality entertainment as a concept is dead. the market can't support it, the government won't support it, the whole thing is laughably out of date, and even if it wasn't culturally it doesn't seem like we've got an environment to support it anyway. it's too difficult in a postmodern, ironic world.

or maybe it isn't, maybe we're just realising that creators aren't living gods who hide in the shadows, but normal horrible people like the rest of us. maybe furry just lead the way on that, and we can never again return to speculating what did he mean by this? for real.

either way, i'm the one who's wrong.

>>66295

There's a qualitative distinction between paying for an indie comic, and commissioning artwork.

Actually that's probably an interesting point of divergence I didn't think about enough - the move from people creating what they want to create (say, a comic), to people creating what other people want to buy on request (art commissions) without regard for their personal interest, with it all eventually coming full circle with YCHs.

though now i still have to wonder how furry rapidly became so porn dominated, to the point most people don't even bother pretending to worldbuild or write stories, they just want (a) a cute picture of their dogsona doing cute things, or (b) a picture of their dogsona having sex with a dragonfolf in a fart cave.

my original thought about the distinction was more along the lines of scarcity (i.e. there are only so many print copies of a comic, versus digital art which is produced once and then copypasted forever.) but that seems less influential than the different reasons behind creating something in the first place.

>>66299

>There's a qualitative distinction between paying for an indie comic, and commissioning artwork.

My guess is that there's less risk because there's less factors that you have to focus on. With indie comics, you have to focus on the writing, pacing, panels, and artwork. With art commissions, you have have to focus on making the artwork appealing to consumers. If you fuck up on one field for an indie comic, then the artwork you've made for it was a waste. It's kind of how a pretty game can be entirely ruined by shitty level design.

>>66303

Chill here all you want homie.

https://e621.net/post/index/1/68

>>66304

>It's kind of how a pretty game can be entirely ruined by shitty level design.

Sadly, this is wrong.

We live in an age of companies that are far, far too big to fall. As far as video games, maybe a good first example to start with is Dark Souls 2 SotFS. The entire campaign was modified ever so slightly be moving around enemy spawns, and for first-time players it quickly accelerates from just bullshit dickishness for the sake of "lol made you die because who needs proper enemy pacing???"

In the real world, a good example is Subway. Aside from a large host of other things that makes them such a terrible unprofitable business, they recently had one of the biggest scandals since like, KFC's Colonel stopped using slaves. It didn't make a dent at all on their business.

Or just look at all the things happening with banks. Or what's going on with Facebook right now. Facebook's whole thing might be enough to knock it down, but honestly I doubt it.

In general I don't think it's necessarily about the businesses being too large, but that the consumer base is far too complacent. Sure, the consumer could partake in more ethical businesses, but that's out of the way. In this way, it can be true of furry artists, when people like Jason or Zaush who have a massive storm of drama over their heads and yet most of the 'consumers' of their works don't really care.

caught in a cycle of knowing all the reasons i'll never fit into any furry community, and desperately wishing that i did, purely because i don't.

the worst realisation has got to be that on top of everything else working against me, a good chunk of furs are in an economic position i will never attain - and even if i did attain it, i'll have all the pathologies you get from growing up poor, and they'll know. they always know. that's exacerbated by the fact that the career choices often skew heavily towards STEM (even with equal wages, that's another factor that's not mutual), or to interesting careers like the military, piloting, mechanic, etc, or simply having rich bay area/seattle/north eastern parents.

hell even mentally this image is of an american, i'm not american, i'm just mentally colonised by Americans like the rest of britain.

the weird part is that increasingly i wonder if i even want friends anymore. i get lonely, sure, but i'm reasonably used to that. having conversations, genuinely meaning what i say, and trusting people enough to open up? i'm not sure i can do that anymore, and if i can't do that i can't have friends. increasingly i can't even find places to blogpost.

did the internet get lonelier or did i just go crazy?

Where do people go to get doujin translated? I wouldn't mind doing typesetting and things like that myself, I just need someone who can read nip and magic it into american.

>>66332

Most people probably just learn the language themselves.

>>66299

>now i still have to wonder how furry rapidly became so porn dominated

I'm not sure, but it looks like porn just because the currency of the "community". People don't make friends on furry websites; they collect vague RP fuckbuddies.

The typical popufur has a "family" that they've built around themselves, composed of other members. The in-universe setting of their character will have other people acting as their fursona's parents, or siblings, or children, or a "mate", or a master/slave relationship, or whatever else. Sometimes they'll go through the effort of creating a hybrid "child" with another member, and sometimes these "children" will get taken over by yet another member (character is adopted or bought or whatever) and then they'll go perpetuating the cycle with others in the "family". Often the character will "mate" with several different other characters/users, complicated through the use of science/magic to create same-sex-parent biological children, or clones, or transforming a male into a cuntboy or female and then impregnating him/her. Characters will splinter off, create their own "family", often combining back with the first one. Eventually the family tree will tangle into a goddamned spiderweb, because of course ALL of them are fucking. All of them are having incestual relationships with everyone else.

The reason why everyone in the "fandom" is a bisexual slut, is because not doing so isolates them, preventing them from having this kind of "family". You CAN'T BE the friend of a popufur unless your fursona is shown having sex with his fursona. It's like a mafia "family", except one where everyone has sex with everyone else, all the time, regardless of gender or age. It's a LITERAL clusterfuck.

>>66814

twin fantasy is a good album

>>66871

Maybe you had bad male role models giving you a bad impression of overt masculinity owo

>>66331

I don't really understand your reasoning, there's no barrier of entry into any interest group besides the interest itself. It's no different than anime or video games or sports, etcetera. As for having friends that like furry things, it's not too hard to find sociable people online, whether it's here or FA, there's plenty of potential friends out there. If you're wanting more local friends, I'd say that's more difficult depending on where you live, but still doable (as an aside, I've had no luck myself, but I haven't tried very hard to find people either).

>>66871

You'll like bara men. I like them because I had no father figure since I'm APRIL FOOLS.

>>67001

>Is ERP with a stranger cheating?

It's a gray area, but let me just tell you I've only had problems with relationships where my partner would ERP with others.