/fur/ - Furry★

Use the catalog >>13191

Oh wait, didn't realize it was at bumplimit

>>33822

>(((Feral Pokemon x Human)))

>((( )))

The fuck is this shit?

>>33822

Not sure if their style is your thing but I know of this person who charges $35 at most for that.

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/goldelope/

>>33898

new (((feature))) from CodeMonkey

>CodeMonkey

<can code

>>33898

A /pol/ meme that CM added to the markup. The implementation is awful, but that's to be expected of Chodemonkey.

The only thing it's good for is

(((super saiyan blue texting)))

>>33899

Thank you!

They're good. They do that trainer-(name) style that's popular on Tumblr. Affordable but the art is kinda... Tumblr-y for my tastes. Still definitely gonna check them out if I can't find anyone else by the end of the month.

Anyone else have suggestions?

>>33965

Same anon as >>33899 here. There's also this person I found. Prices start at $40, $50 for 2 characters.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/lacrimale/

>>33901

(((How about)))

<We use these new features

>To kick this autism party into an autism riot.

>>34077

Check the draw threads, and not just here but on other popular boards. Just say you're looking to commission someone and you'll either get 8ch artists that are obviously willing to draw that, or you'll get people that have commissioned from 8ch artists in the past.

>>34077

You have to be tricky about it. First of all, you have to find an artist that doesn't have a distinctive style and isn't well-known. Nobody's going to draw something that will socially damage them if it can easily be connected back to them.

Secondly, ask them to draw the uniform but without any of the real-life insignia. They might be willing to draw a nazi uniform if it doesn't actually have swastikas or the SS symbols on it.

>>34145

>big mistake, don't do it, ever, choose something else, anything

So why don't you change the uniform now??

>>34077

Just find similar Boss clothes that are commercially available

>>34154

Unfortunately it's already on the ref sheet and many other commissions, I realized late that artists were passive aggressive for that reason.

>>34186

So you're contractually obligated to continue using every trait of this character as-is, even if it causes you difficulty? Just get a new ref sheet and trash those old commissions.

>Want to get a joint commission with some fellow furfags

>Every one I talk to is either a meme-slut, stupid person to even talk to, or broke bitch that jumps on your offer despite being a broke bitch

>They accept offers but fail to even come up with a simple idea because YCH is so prevalent now nobody can think about even simple poses anymore and refuse any idea you throw at them

>You say you'll pay half but they whine and complain about paying their half and just want you to pay for the whole thing

>Decide "Fuck these people, they're retarded" start commissioning solo characters/ref sheets of character concepts

>Find artists who are literal nobodies and far better than anyone whose popular on FA, get cheap prices and become friends because they don't subscribe to the backstabbing that is "Popufur"

>Get over 1k watches without ever actually trying like most attention whores on the site.

>Never have to ass-kiss to anyone

>Never have to commission r34 for attention

>Gain more watchers by making journals calling out the shit going on in the fandom and generally shit on people

Shits fucking cash

Where's that greedy artist prick who shits up all these threads with "artists MUST charge high rates or it devalues their time!" because he hates is competition charging less?

Also

>artist has good prices

>artist is of decent quality

>"I retain ownership of the finished piece"

Oh so you don't really want my money and you cheat your customers by giving them nothing despite paying you for it.

Offering a free sketch commission, chose a number between 1 and 10, first person to guess what I chose or closest to it if nobody guesses right gets his free black and white commission.

Try and be as precises with your request as possible, including reference for pose.

>>34231

Theres actually no way they can enforce the "I retain ownership of the finished piece" because you've paid for a product they had to deliver. It's an even stronger case if they used copyrighted characters. I've had to go against two artists that tried this and they couldn't do shit.

>>34259

Seconding this and guessing 9.

>>34291

It was number 8 guys, the chinese lucky number, will get on it right now.

>>34235

I honestly wonder if a furry porn artist would have a chance in court trying to sue a commission buyer. That drawing of dogfucking or some clearly underage kid taking a dick probably isn't going to win the judge over, and without anything on file via the trademark or copyright offices, well... that whole "copyrighted upon creation" isn't proven by magic and telepathy, it needs something on paper. And if it does have a character owned by a major company? I don't think you can even fully own such a drawing.

It's just a shitbag move by artists who think they should get money and creative rights both.

>>34231

>"I retain ownership of the finished piece"

I don't understand this mentality anyway. I've been considering eventually taking commissions, and if I did, the only thing I'd be interested in controlling about a commissioned piece of artwork is maintaining my right to keep the piece on my gallery as a portfolio item. (And even then I'd be willing to waive that right for an additional fee, for people who really really want their commissioned art to remain private) As long as I can do that, I wouldn't give a shit what the customer chooses to do with it.

>>34235

yeah, it's absurd, because afaik under (US) copyright law a commissioned piece of artwork results in the artist and commissioner jointly holding copyright on it, meaning neither party can stop the other from doing what they want with it. (Not sure what happens if one of them wants to sell the copyright to a third party or whatever, though)

>>34388

>a commissioned piece of artwork results in the artist and commissioner jointly holding copyright on it

there was a massive issue on Sofurry over this, a commission buyer added some text to a drawing so it could be used as a ref for other artists, and the artist flipped their shit about it. It got bad enough that SF staff consulted a US attorney specialized in copyright/trademark and got that exact answer. Several artists ragequit the site because they didn't like the law not coddling their "it's MY property" selfishness.

Though a contractual agreement prior to work beginning can overrule that but it must be agreed on properly, artists can't simply claim it after the fact. This is why you should avoid artists that state up-front they're keeping ownership.

Even though the buyer should get the artwork 100%, this shit needs to be reworded and worked into "work for hire" with no exceptions. The work only exists because the artist was hired to draw it. This shit even cases trouble over physical pieces of art, apparently if you commission a painting or a statue, it might be technically illegal to trade or destroy it because the artist retains part ownership. This has caused issues with artwork done on walls when a business owner wants to paint over it.

>Several artists ragequit the site because they didn't like the law not coddling their "it's MY property" selfishness.

For what purpose? It's not like the law won't follow them anywhere else.

>>34394

most artists are only in it because they were born with their heads lodged deep in their assholes and only care about the praise they get, this is why they cause so much drama

>>34351

Just like, an animals leg. Gryphons are half feline, so that would have worked. But thanks bud!

>>34479

>meme gun

>generic furry femboy 2,400,000

>flat face

It would honestly be more interesting if you commissioned a picture of the cat shoving the AA-12 up his ass.

How much did you pay for that?

>>34479

The gun is terrible.

The boots are terrible.

The character is uninteresting.

I hope you didn't spend a fortune on that.

>>34490

>meme gun

Meh, I wanted an (American)weapon that average US civilians can't get legally, to fit with her theme of being a gun runner. The AA-12 happened to fit that bill.

>generic furry femboy 2,400,000

She's not a femboy, though cats are pretty common, not much I can do about that.

>flat face

Kemono style usually look like that.

The commission was $55.

>>34492

>>34479

boots look like the laces are literal stickers

I've got some commissions I'm still waiting on but I'm worried it's been a few weeks since any update or contact. I just don't want to seem pushy.

>buying commissions when the internet is packed full of porn and other existing art

You can find what you need on Imagefap, Xhamster or even google image search, why waste money to create a new thing when what you want already exists? If furries need money, they can fill out a job application.

>>34494

>$55

Looks like you got pretty jewed there imo, sorry for your loss

>>34494

Absolute shit. I cannot believe you flushed that money down the toilet. And then you show it off like it is something to be proud of. You have no artistic, fashion, or economical sense.

>>34494

>I wanted an (American)weapon that average US civilians can't get legally,

The AA-12 is street-legal as long as it's not fully-automatic.

just looking through some of the recent replies on this thread, it's nothing but elitists who think you should spend your money "their way"- why the fuck would anyone ever post their commissions here? just to be berated by shitty anons?

>>34534

I mean when you're paying less than 10-15~ or so on it its fine, just don't eat shitty junkfood for a day or two. But 50-100's of dollars? Fuck off m8

(I posted my orange birb up there anyway, along with the prices of each pic.)

>>34537

>dragon with a canine penis

ehhhh

>>34534

We're just sharing our opinions on art we think is overpriced, a simple sketch shouldn't be worth 50 or something where the lines or coloring is uneven. Art has become so overpriced in the fandom and that's because of the fags carelessly giving any amount of money to artists and setting a trend for other smaller artists.

Cue the image of the guy with the sparkledog sona paying 1,500 dollars to get a simple blowjob ych

Who drew this anyway? Why do artists insist on symbols or illegible signatures? It's fucking retarded.

>>34560

People are saying that one pic is 'overpaying' when it's only 50 dollars, and the pic was actually (content opinion aside) pretty goddamn good. You do realize that IRL shit like that costs alot more, right? Illustrators don't come cheap.

>>34574

$50 is basically the line between cheap and expensive when it comes to commissions.

In regards to furry commissions, $50 is definitely on the cheap end of things, but a lot of people (especially people who don't order commissions) will think it's a really high amount.

>>34583

I'm not saying it's worth $50, either. It's passable for $50. When you pay less, you expect a lower quality, but you also expect a higher variance in quality. When someone usually does great art for $20 but fucks up in a commission from time to time, it's usually expected and acceptable (assuming it's not a complete FUBAR).

>>34514

Is it? I figured ATF had decided it didn't look "sporting" enough and was therefore in the same legal category as rocket launchers and artillery pieces.

>>34593

>Doesn't know shit about guns

>Tries to appease /k/ommandos with a meme gun that's perfectly legal

You can own a tacticooled out rifle no problem as long as its semi auto. Hell you can even own fully automatic rifles if it was manufactured before a certain date (93 I think).

It's expensive but it's perfectly legal.

>>34594

First, I'm not the guy who commissioned the picture. For my part I agree that he paid too much for it, it's not particularly well detailed, and the AA-12 is a meme gun that he probably saw in an anime or game at some point.

Second, the AA-12 is a shotgun, not a rifle. The NFA calls any gun in a larger caliber than .50 (which includes both 20 and 12 gauge) a "destructive device". The ATF can and usually does grant exemptions to shotguns for "sporting purposes" but technically does so at its own discretion, and anything too militaristic in appearance and/or marketing is often rejected (see: SPAS-12, various Striker variants, though no one really cares because those are vidya gaem meme shotguns anyway). Given that a semi-auto AA-12 would be a conversion of a shotgun that was straight up specifically designed for military use, I'd expect the seller to fight an uphill battle to be deemed "sporting".

And if your argument is on the technicality of "legal", yes, in the US you could hypothetically own just about any weapon with oodles of money and a lot of bureaucratic nonsense. Too few people are willing to do that to sustain a viable market for most NFA items with the possible exception of suppressors.

>>34599

You were arguing that the gun is illegal and now you're backpedaling saying that there are "too few people to sustain a viable market for most NFA items"

If there are too few people to sustain the market why are there so many active listings of NFA weapons on gunbroker that people have bought for upwards of thousands of dollars?

Don't underestimate, taxes don't matter when you have a gun that's wonderful to shoot especially to someone that's well off which most gun owners somewhat are.

We need to create a master list of artists both popufur and non for ease of access. I'm in a commissioning mood atm.

>>34578

>50$ is the baseline

Lel I wonder if furries would pay up if someone charged double that amount as his hourly rate. Assuming no one else was offering the same things for cheaper, that is.

>>34614

some no doubt would- the rich ones, the welfare leeches, the ones stealing from parents/family. No sane person would, not unless they could A) afford it and B) got full copyright of the finished piece to make and sell prints if they wished.

If the artist wants to keep ownership for an hourly rate of $50, they can contract cancer.

>$50

Yeah, you really deserve almost triple of a factory worker for drawing penises. Worse than fags like Poopiepie who think "playing video games" is "content creation" and suck up money from ad revenue for doing literally nothing.

>>34622

>50$ per hour

I said double that amount. 100$ per hour.

And I don't see why not if there's already someone in the fandom who already gets roughly that amount. If someone can do a much better job than him for the same price, well, you'd be getting a big discount, wouldn't you think?

>but it's too much

This is your fault, not the fault of the guy asking for his work to be adequately rewarded.

Artists that charge hourly are scamming cunts.

This shit cost me $30, and that's on a discount because I get art all the time from Supplesee.

Seriously, people should stop being stupid fucking twats with their money and actually get artists that are worth the money and time rather than get art because "le popufur xD"

>>34680

Some of those popufurs have pretty distinct styles, though.

I wonder:

Are there any artists that specialize in being able to copy other artists' styles?

I know some artists will usually say something along the lines of "I can try to match any style you tell me to", but I've never seen any of them that are actually of a high quality.

>>34686

>Are there any artists that specialize in being able to copy other artists' styles?

A lot of popufurs copy off of each other.

Tojo with Narse, Jasonafuckhimself with Wolfynaileveryfemboyasswithahorsecock...

>>34687

I know that much. I wonder if there are any unpopufurs that I could go up to and say "Hey, could you draw this in a Candyfoxy style?"

>>34646

shut the fuck up, Lulz.net faggot. Go back to your shithole. Not even /pol/ ruined your board, it was always shit.

>>34702

>those joints

This might be a long short but are there any artists that draw good western-styled dragons that dabble in violence and gore. I'm looking to get an erotic dragon-slaying pic done.

>>34696

What the fuck are you rambling about you autist.

>>34857

>tastes

>>34479

>>34494

>$55

May have been an alright price, but a tad bit high.

>>34606

Bumping this idea.

We need to create a list of artists with the prices of their fullbody commissions with all types of shading.

Asking for second opinions on the following:

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8187734/

sarisweet.tumblr.com/image/143157193690

http://nixotine.deviantart.com/gallery/: "Chibis are $20-$25 depending on character complexity and are shaded

Full bodies are $30-$35 depending on character complexity

And are shaded

Sketches are anywhere from $5-$15"

>>34963

Immediately remove any of them that have a Tumblr. Then you'll be left with the good ones.

>>35082

What about sarisweet.tumblr.com/image/143157193690

>>35424

>vore

Not my thing, but at least the art is nice.

>>35424

I like it. Looks like he got hit with a frying pan though.

>order commission

>wait a week

>artist uploads a bunch of stuff, but not mine

>wait a week

>artist uploads the rest of the stuff on his queue, but not mine

>wait a week

>artist barely uploads anything, eventually uploads something that wasn't ordered from anyone on the queue

>see I have a note from the artist

>"hey i need a reference for this"

what the hell

>>33772 (OP)

What's the source thread on these comments?

>>35487

https://8ch.net/fur/res/13191.html#28905

I just recently started doing commissions.

If I send someone an invoice and they include a shipping address (because Paypal took away the option to say No Address Required), is it true they can demand a refund and there's nothing I can do about it, because there's no way for me to prove the product was 'shipped'?

>>35498

http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/837882.html?thread=30824442#t30824442

give this a shot and see if it stops giving them the option to give you a shipping so it removes that potential. because yes, if you let them provide shipping and they dispute it they automatically win

>>35509

>up to $500

kek you honestly believe you can get a CUSTOM MADE plushie that's 30+ INCHES for anything less than $500?

you're delusional mate

that being said, either etsy or FA will be your best bet

>>35595

There are several things that you must weigh in order to make art slave streams worth it.

1. In exchange for paying triple digit funds, the artist demonstrates good time management and the final pieces actually cost less than the normal rates.

2. To justify if the rates are premium compared to normal prices. If it's an exclusive event and taking it puts you ahead of 4 months worth of other clients in queue.

3. Even if you value quantity over quality, even the artist's non colored inks and sketches are top notch to your expectations.

Are there any artists that will provide a sketch or something before asking for payment?

Three times in a row I've been burned by artists who will take my money, show me a sketch that looks nothing like what I asked for (even if I provided visual references), and then they'll give me some bullshit "You only get three revisions in this phase so I'm going to charge you another $10 if you keep complaining".

I just want to work with an artist who will treat me like a human being who works hard to pay for these commissions and will give me the same amount of effort in return instead of what amounts t stealing my money then kicking me onto the floor, saying "Well you already paid me so I don't need to do shit". I just want to make sure the fucking pose is right before I have my money stolen. That's all I want. It's all I need.

>>35474

Did you get cheap prices though?

>>35620

Look on Furaffinity Forums and state those conditions, but without the guilt tripping "I work hard for my money" stuff.

Just say "Are there any artists who will do x thing but show me a sample sketch before requiring payment?"

>>35620

if that's how you talk to artists you deserve to get burned tbh

grow up

Is it a good idea to do a bunch of requests to get followers and then start doing commissions? For the record I'm not desperate for money

>>35595

Being paid for TIME rather than for RESULTS is the biggest mistake of all of capitalism. It punishes those who are better and rewards those who are worse.

>>35724

What? That literally makes no sense.

If you're a better artist you can charge more/hr. If you're a shitty artist, less and less people will start putting up with your bad quality over time

>>35748

>If you're a shitty artist, less and less people will start putting up with your bad quality over time

You think that's how it actually works?

>>35761

Firstly, who?

Secondly, have you previously observed how much progress the artist can do in an hour so that you can measure if he has the time to commit to X amount of commissions in the quality that you desire?

Thirdly, the more anal retentive you are about the pose/angle/background, the more the artist will spend time on it, and before you know it you only got one picture out of it. Thus, it's generally best to let the artist 'let loose' so long as the details of your characters are correct.

Fourth, be brief and direct about what you want in the commish. You can leave the backstory and what-have-you in the stream chats.

>>35815

It's highly unlikely that the artist will get popular just from you singlehandedly posting a few of their works on a few websites.

>>35815

Who is it? I'm sure a few anons on a chinise image board aren't going to change how an artists does things over night.

>>35815

Just post it, m8. It's like the other anons have said, a single picture won't skyrocket their popularity (unless it's amazingly drawn fan-art)

>>35705

>defending assholes who can't respect their customers

Fuck off, Kayla-Na, go die of your multiple STDs or something

>>35498

>because Paypal took away the option to say No Address Required

It's still there when you send money, I have no idea what you're talking about. Click the arrow by the address and select the option. Been that way for most of the year now. It was there this morning.

Oh as for Paypal... if an artist has a business account and demands gift payment, they're breaking the business account terms. They are not supposed to receive gift payments. If they demand you pay the fees too, that's also against Paypal's terms, report them.

If Paypal ever does require a tracking number in a claim, well you should have thought of this, print a copy, put it in a stiff envelope or mailing tube, send it to them.

>only hire artists that give me copyright of final pic

>keep it private, never upload it

Oh you want a free copy of something personal I had to pay for? Get fucked. Buy your own art. You don't buy a DVD only to show the whole neighborhood the film for free.

>>35885

I just like to share art I paid for with others. What's so wrong with that? I will not support an artist that refuses to give me the right to copy, modify, or distribute the piece I paid for.

>>36064

Read the post he's quoting.

>>34270

Damn your OC is really cute

>>35815

You are a terrible human being

>>36163

Hey, that's cool. You're the one who paid for the art. It's not like half the demographic of commissioners keep the art for themselves anyway :^)

>>36196

artist?

>>36201

potoobrigham

>>36236

>>36196

your oc a disgusting shit

>>36237

Whitekitten is that you?

>>36306

Can't be, she's not pregnant.

>>36354

Enjoy losing your fifty bucks.

>>36306

No I am not. I just wanted my explorer cat Dr. Deadzo

>>36354

wow you're a dick

>>36376

There's literally nothing wrong with scamming dumb people.

>>36374

It's an investment. If I can get several returns on that $50 then it will have been worth it.

>>36376

Sometimes I just need a rough sketch or something I can keep to myself, or a reference I can give to an artist I actually like. I can't draw the kinds of poses or scenarios that I want, and it's bullshit that artists would ask for $20 for a sketch that doesn't take longer than half an hour to produce. I'm just trying to work with the tools I've been given.

>>36378

Nothing wrong with killing off bad people either right :^)

>>36380

No? If you kill a criminal he can't commit crimes again.

>>36382

So you support your own death for committing theft?

>>36383

You cannot steal a drawing, when the artist sends it to you, you both have it, and it can be copied endlessly.

>>36384

Theft extends to services too. Theft isn't just "hur hur has to be a physical object". I guess they don't teach that in backwater America.

You're paying for the service of them bringing your imaginary shit in to fruition. After the service is complete/half complete you fuck off. This is very similar to going to a restaurant, ordering something, eating half, and leaving - something which is also theft.

You even ADMIT it's theft above when you say "There's literally nothing wrong with scamming dumb people." Scamming implied theft.

So yeah. You support your own death. So go put a bullet in your brain.

>>36388

There is no resource being lost other than time here, if I scammed a restaurant then I stole food out of them, in this way, the resource was born in an instant and thus is only valuable if I assign a value to it.

I don't value it at all, so I won't pay for it. You can't steal 0$ can you? So it is not theft. If the artist was good and his service was valuable I'd pay for it.

>>36391

>So, one of the most valuable resources, and the one that is the most traded worldwide?

If it's so valuable why are you wasting it here discussing with me? Am I thief for stealing your time too?

>And in large society thinks you're a thief.

You're a single autist in a furry board, you don't represent society.

>If the artist was bad and nonvaluable you subconsciously wouldn't have contact them in the first place.

I'd eat bad food if it was free. I get stuff from bad artists if it's free.

>>36242

more like "other artists hated cheaper competition and sock puppeted to get them to jack up prices"

Trust me, their raised prices ain't selling.

>>36393

>You're a single autist in a furry board, you don't represent society.

it's probably Kayla-Na, she things her idiotic opinions are fact because she says so. Ignore her.

>>36393

>>36408

>You're a single autist in a furry board, you don't represent society.

>Society as a whole must support theft despite essentially every government, social group, etc. saying "no stealerino"

IDK who you think you're trying to fool. Like, do you go outside and talk to normies? Do you understand the world you exist in? Or are you so far up your ass with ancap/ego philosophy that you think that if you got tried for theft, people would support you?

Autistic faggots like this (who also shit up these threads) are the reason why I charge upfront. Don't get burned m8s..

Yeah, yeah. Anon jews someone into getting something for free and brags only to have their whiteknights defend the,. We've been over this so can we move along now.

>>36464

It's understandable anon. Most artists I buy are like that, but some are neat and toss me sketches before it's all finished once they see I've bought like... 30 pieces of art already lol.

>>36498

Arcanine is cute, shame about the ugly ass human

>>36237

nice. there's so few people on that skill level that are willing to do gore.

Can I use sketches from failed commissions as references for commissions from other artists down the line?

Worth mentioning is that some sketches I haven't paid for.

Also worth mentioning is that some of these sketches are so old I've forgotten who actually drew them in the first place, so there would be no way for me to credit them.

>>36548

>failed commissions

??

Care to explain what that means? Was it not a comm you were satisfied with? If so, I feel your pain.

>>36560

>*were not

>>36564

And those paypal cases are near the absolute time limit for when you can get a refund from paypal.

>>36560

Commissions I wasn't satisfied with, or commissions that the artist had to cancel for whatever reason.

A lot of these sketches were done with nothing but a text description of poses, so being able to reuse the sketches they provided would be very helpful.

>>36564

>worst commission experience?

I ordered a bandanna from some fat chick and i went through 7 fucking months of 0 communication

i got it 2 fucking years after i ordered it...

>>36564

link for the chinaman? I'd pay good money for that sort of service. So fucking tired of being told "2 week turnaround" and beating down their inbox for updates 4 months later

>>36587

link2004, technically taiwan, but y'know.

>>36586

I'm going through a similar situation with Radiocomix. Have had zero communication through the contact us form and I've been waiting for several months now.

>>34963

I've commisisoned Kizrae and Sarichow in the past, both were awesome. No I'm not posting the art, I paid extra for it to be private. But I recommend them both whole heartedly.

>>36548

I hope your doubts don't stem from expecting the "new" artist to draw over whatever you give them.

Nobody who is worth of the title of artist would do that. Not even because of muh tracing. It's basically impossible for another artist's vision of your commission to match their own. They're simply going to come up with a new one and redo it from scratch.

>>36661

Naw, it's something a bit more complicated.

I'm worried that I'll give an artist a sketch that I got from a different artist, possible with a big watermark or SAMPLE thing drawn over it, and then the artist will pull some drama shit like "Hey, who drew this? Do you have the rights for this? Did you properly pay for this?" etc.

I know artists get their panties in a bunch over stuff like that and it's a pain in my ass because I've heard stories of people being blocked and publicly shamed for trying to get an artist to draw based on a reference that another artist drew.

Asking the artists that drew the original sketch isn't an option for me because it's been so long I've honestly forgotten who drew it.

>>36669

>I've heard stories of people being blocked and publicly shamed for trying to get an artist to draw based on a reference that another artist drew.

Those aren't artists, those are cunts waving a pencil around.

>>36660

Any cheaper artists though?

The quality doesn't have to be as good, I just want cheaper commissions, even if they're not the absolute best.

>>35718

Yeah.

>>36354

That's super illegal. You're more safe visiting Masterchan.

>>36714

Jesus, I can do better in under 5 minutes for free.

Oh wait, you're banifag. Nevermind. I approve of you getting ripped off for your hideous autistic shit.

>>36721

*Never mind.

Nevermind is a Nirvana album, not a real word, nerd.

>>36737

>givingthismuchashit

>>36750

He's banifag, I expected nothing less. Ignore him.

>>36660

>I paid extra for it to be private

A privacy fee? Most retarded thing I've heard since YCHs.

>>36669

You might be able to edit out the watermark or request someone here to do it.

>>36721

Post your work faggot, back up your claim.

How easy is it to get away with bid shielding?

I know someone who just started opening up auctions and I'm wondering if I can get myself some cheap stuff from them before they start to catch on.

Only problem is that I don't really have an established scam account. I should probably make one sooner rather than later...

>>36975

Oh, how cute!

Heh, I would've guessed they'd be a big cuddly bunny if you hadn't mentioned their species.

>>37089

fancy seeing you still around vlad c:

Holy shit. Finding slots are like playing musical chairs! This is aggravating.

Do you think I'd be able to ask artists if they could give me a little doodle in the corner of a commission (about 1/8th the total size of the page) showing a "Moments earlier" kind of scene?

Like a picture of a girl getting pounded by two guys has a "Moments earlier" scene in the corner where they're both flirting with her.

Something playful and sketchy like that would probably cost the same as any sort of extra panel that these people charge for but I wonder if there's anyone out there that would do it for free (and not get triggered at the suggestion).

>>37420

Just ask. it can never hurt to communicate. Just be polite, and if the artist isn't an asshole they should be alright with it.

>>37420

I'd do it if you were trusted and not a rando who could potentially scam me, yeah.

>>37560

Can you stop commissioning this shitty OC of yours?

>>37560

What do people find attractive in dog dicks? Just curious

>>37566

Doesn't look shitty to me tbh

>>37568

This whole post reeks of shit taste

>>37560

It's just canines.

>>37568

I don't get it either but something about them encourages people to put them on everything.

>>37587

:(

>>37566

Clearly what you need to do is suggest a better OC for him to use.

>>37566

>ywn be this jelly over someone else's OC

Rolled 3, 4 + 22 = 29 (2d6)

>>37560

can you use a trip or something so i can filter you easily

it's not like you're acting anonymous either way

I asked the artist if I could take the character he drew f or me and turn her into her own character. He said anything was cool as long as he got some credit. Looks like I'll have to give her a name and backstory, but I've never been too good with thinking up ideas like that.

>>37841

Her name is Ariel Aiyana.

Ariel was originally an alchemist named Salma Janae (Saruma Janae) from the Sea of Estray, a cluster of smaller sorcerer organizations on northern Europe. She developed a method at the apex of her magical research allowing her to absorb and merge her existence with the lives of other creatures in order to obtain immortality and ascend to the level of a Dead Apostle. She has existed for over a millennium, and developed into the accumulation of lives she absorbed with a collective consciousness, aligned with her will yet not entirely under her control and of nature beyond her own understanding. The understanding and control over the disordered dendrogram that is her body became her eternal thesis. Even though she is conscious that her mind is slowly fading by being united to the beasts, her ultimate desire is to come to understand the chaos that formed her even if she should be completely swallowed by that very same chaos.

Like many other vampires, she has taken her name from those given by the Church. "Ariel", phonetically spelled "Aery", was given to her as a play on words in Gematria by which the letters that compose it add up to 666, the so-called Number of the Beast. Her second name,"Aiyana", was given to her due to hre nature as literal, squelching chaos similar to a primordial earth.

>>37843

Geezus, man!

All I did was ask the artist to draw a mouse girl, and make her cute. I didn't tell him anything else beyond that.

>>37843

This is a shitty Type-Moon OC.

>>37935

If they removed the tri-color hair, think it'd be salvageable?

Pink with blonde streaks sounds like it has kawaii potential for the anime girl look.

And just out of curiosity, what's your favorite Pokemon? It'd be a shame if they were to order art of their horrible OC fucking it.

>>37943

>If they removed the tri-color hair, think it'd be salvageable?

Remove the tri-color hair, in fact remove the hair entirely. Remove the unicorn horn. Remove the stupid Mary-Sue wings. Remove the fact that she's a human and not furry.

It wouldn't even be the same character anymore; once you get rid of the shit there's nothing left. It's a character literally composed of a pile of shit molded into the shape of a human.

>>37560

Why are you even here if your "fursona" is humanshit? This sort of thing belongs on >>>/a/

>>37960

I feel like you should owe me money after making me look at this garbage.

>>37961

You sound jelly of that anon's work. You've never drawn in your life, have you?

>>37960

The gryphon is pretty cool looking. Good design and detail, and I'm always a sucker for greyscale stuff

>>37957

Not a whole lot of places to take feral Pokeporn. /fur/ is probably the closest to a place that'll accept it.

Picked up a comm from Daigaijin who is probably still accepting stuff atm.

>>37943

They already ruined my favorite >>36236

>>37844

I was up last night, and I decided that the mouse girl could be involved with a female friend. A very close friendship between the two, and while I was working I saw a little bat toy and I thought that would be perfect.

The mouse is a strong, athletic, and outgoing type; the bat girl (who I have dubbed Maxine for now,) is a fruit bat, shy, and wears glasses to compensate for her poor vision during the day. Maxine works as a barista at the local coffee shop, has a sweet tooth, and loves to fly. The mouse-girl meanwhile has a fear of heights. The two strike up a friendship and become lovers after a time (how I haven't thought out concrete) That's all I've come up with so far in the time between work today. I'm thinking if I should have a commission of some refs for them, or to work with a writer to flesh them out.

And I'd want others to be able to use the characters, as long as credit was given to me. Maybe put the characters under a creative commons license or something?

>>38028

Some light reading on bat biology informed me that fruit bats belong to the suborder megachiropteran (megabat), and don't echolocate, only microbats such as the vampire bat do. Fruit bats have excellent vision, better than humans. Neat!

>>38028

I have a better backstory for you.

Maxine is the White Princess of the True Ancestors. The title of Maxine was given to those True Ancestors capable of manifesting the Millennium Castle Maxine, and has been likened to be the vampire royal family, although this is not strictly true. The True Ancestors were a race of beings copied from Type-Moon, the ultimate being of the moon, also known as the Crimson Moon. Long ago the will of the planet had no defense mechanism against humanity, nothing to keep them in check. Thus the Crimson Moon came down and offered to help the planet make a race of ultimate beings to rule over humanity, thus resulting in them being the "consciousness of the planet". True Ancestors are alike to occurrences such as earthquakes and typhoons rather than individuals as their actions, while evil and without justification, would come as naturally to her (Maxine and other True Ancestors) as breathing. However the race was fundamentally flawed, they had a desire to drink blood that their original, the Crimson Moon, had. The True Ancestors needed to use a large portion of their power to suppress this impulse, but as there was no cure, and with passage of time the impulse grew, more and more True Ancestors fell and began drinking blood indiscriminately, while others most likely went into eternal sleep.

The True Ancestors didn't have a specific reason in creating Maxine. They normally only mold new True Ancestors to fit specific needs. There was no need for a being as strong as her, but in the end, she originated from nothingness, simply as a product to realize the pointless goal of "the strongest True Ancestor." They used her great strength to make her into a weapon, the executioner of the fallen True Ancestors and of the most powerful Dead Apostles. According to Mouse-girl, this happened in the 12th century AD, when the number of fallen True Ancestors was very high. She was able to perform this duty splendidly, but she was nothing more than a tool. She was taught nothing beyond what she needed to know to hunt her targets, to the extent that she even ignored the fact that she was the same kind of creature as those she was supposed to destroy, and went to sleep after every kill, with her accumulated memories erased.

As the executioner, she did not have any vampiric impulses, and the rest of the True Ancestors also believed she had none. A priest from the church seeking perfect immortality, Mouse-girl, needed to become a Dead Apostle to continue her research as she had already reached the potential of her mouse-girl body. Maxine, ignorant of her nature as a vampire and the consequences of drinking blood, was easily tricked by Mouse-girl into drinking her and turned berserk, wiping out most of the True Ancestors, turning Mouse-girl into one of the strongest Dead Apostles and having a considerable portion of her power stolen by her, before she managed to regain her sanity long enough to chain herself to the throne and go to sleep. From then on she had to suppress her urge to drink blood like any other True Ancestors. The rest of the True Ancestors were wiped out either by Mouse-girl or the rest of the Dead Apostles, who made a game of trying to assassinate their creators.

Maxine finally managed to destroy Mouse-girl's original body, although it took an alliance with the Burial Agency to do it. Mouse-girl was not killed however, as she had managed to master reincarnation, and constantly reincarnated into host bodies she chose before her deaths. These host bodies were chosen for a mix of social standing (rich families with influence) and the physical/magical potential of the body. After destroying Mouse-girl's original body, Maxine went to sleep and awoke only to kill Mouse-girl's re-incarnations constantly, but was never able to destroy him and get her power back as she would simply re-incarnate each time. At the time of this post, Mouse-girl had re-incarnated 17 times, with her last re-incarnation being Mouse-girl.

So far I've got a two char linework sketch for $70 in progress from the artist. I think it looks good. Will post it later, have to leave.

>>38088

Man that was fast. Just received the final sketch this morning. I think it's wonderful.

>>38172

Are you going to post it like you said or what?

>>37560

>Dewgong

>Dog dick

???????????

>>36669

As REFERENCES, yes, you're A-OK to use them. If you're asking the artist to colour or trace or use anything from that image, no. If you explain to them it's a commission sketch you rejected [but for some stupid fuckin reason you're using it anyway], they may understand, but they'll also be very wary of you because what dumb commissioner uses a commission sketch they rejected [unless the artist cancelled].

>>38179

It's more like artists are able to get part of an image but not another.

I say "I want X on top of Y while Y wraps her arms around X's waist."

And the artist will be able to get the pose just right but everything will look kind of loose. I'll say "X looks like he's floating an inch or something. He should be pressed tightly against Y and Y should look like she's hugging him tightly instead of just having her arms hanging limply on X."

And then the artist kind of farts around for another three or four sketches until I have to cancel the commission entirely.

What I come out of the exchange with is a sketch that shows the basic pose that I want but without any sort of weight (or whatever problems led me to cancel in the first place). I just want to show that sketch to another artist and say "Draw this but actually have X looking like he's on top of her and sinking a little bit into her fur and flesh. Draw it with some weight so it's not looking all floaty."

Something like that.

>>38180

(_)_)=8===-

Dog benis

>>38194

He's underselling, that's some good work.

>>38200

For an artist with his background, he absolutely is underselling. He's an Italian artist, and he used to work for Warner Bros, as one of their comic artists.

His name is Andrea Boscolo - I hate shilling for people, but people don't know about him and no one commissions him because of it.

Deviantart account.

http://boscoloandrea.deviantart.com

>>38194

No shit. This looks like a sketch layer from a production cel straight out of an 80's Disney movie. Wow.

>>38201

I don't have a DA atm, only an FA. If he's that good I may just have to make the account and commission something.

How come so many artists refuse to draw copyrighted characters for commissions?

>>38174

As a fellow dollfucker, I appreciate this qt.

>>38209

Your request is probably too autistic for them to draw so they use that as an excuse

>>38221

>>38221

Thanks. I've been wanting a reason to try drawing lewds, and I'm trying to whip up an armor character as well. Like living armor. Big strong amazon type.

>>38194

Not bad for that price. I'm out of touch with appreciating the 80s/90s style.

>>38248

>40 bucks each

>A muddy, weightless sketch that looks bland as fuck and a flat-color that has unfilled spots here and there and dirty contours

Jesus fuck.

>>38248

Not bad, honestly.

Who's the artist for the last two?

>>38201

All these toons look really weird with smooth shading.

>>38274

>Not sure which ones you're responding to with each criticism there, Anon

The first one doesn't even follow the show's style, the shading is muddy, it has not been inked and the lines are still on the "rough sketch phase" and are not weighted, the background is a simple limbo, it is bland overall and the pony's horsecock is barely visible. Shouldn't it be one of the focal points?

The second one is in-style, but the artist still managed to fuck up using the paint bucket to fill in simple shapes and the lineart is inconsistent. It also has fuzzy contours and visible speckles of color that they didn't bother to clean up.

You've been ripped off.

But I don't give a shit about you wasting your money, I'm more upset at the fact that some lowly fucks who call themselves "artists" have made money off of this shit.

>>38194

...Can you put us in touch with this guy? I'd definitely pay some solid money for a cleaned-up pencil sketch from whoever this is.

>>38303

nvm I read >>38231

>>38303

I'd get in touch with the guy just to tell him to raise his prices.

It's fucking retarded that that guy gets 13$ for this >>38231

and these rent-an-artists get 40$ for these >>38248

>>38231

I sent him an email. I'd love to get a piece from him if he's that good. I'm thinking of getting an Animaniacs related thing or maybe something else.

>>38228

Actually I'm an artist so I was wondering if there was a risk to doing so

>>38319

Oh

Well in that case

Most artists don't know that it's perfectly okay to draw copyrighted characters as fanart

But when you make money off copyrighted characters via commissions or selling merchandise like t-shirt prints and whatnot without the owner's permission, then you have a problem

So they don't draw copyrighted chars cause they don't wanna get sued out the ass for drawing Sonic porn as a commission

>>38332

But that's stupid! Artists should be able to create derivatives of a work at least and make money off of it, as long as it's not using actual assets from the copyrighted work, just using them as a reference point. At least that's what I think.

>>38365

No, because they're piggybacking off the IP's popularity to earn a profit.

That's the IP holder's exclusive privilege, barring written consent.

And nobody will consent to profiting off of porn of their IP.

There's also the risk of people believing the IP holder condones and/or supports said practice and, in the case of porn, being a risk to the image and reputation of the IP holder itself.

Plus, there's the added benefit of shitty artists not being able to make bank thanks solely to the fact they're piggybacking off of popular stuff and not because they're skilled. If not outright preventing them, at least gravely hindering and putting them at risk.

>>38373

You mean the copyright holder holds copyright on a work. Intellectual Property is confusing as an umbrella term. Who cares if they're using a copyrighted work as inspiration for a derivative? It's not sucking money directly from them, is it? That's total bullshit and you know it.

>>38374

What's wrong with her shoulder? It looks weird.

>>38383

Can you point out what you mean? I'm not seeing it.

I'm getting the pose mostly redone so I'd appreciate any problems people can point out now, so I have an idea of what to look for in the next one.

>>38377

>>38377

Intellectual Property encompasses everything. There's nothing confusing about it.

>Who cares if they're using a copyrighted work as inspiration for a derivative?

It depends. The issue is fuzzy, but if the derivative work can be reasonably mistaken as being part of the original thing, it's a copyright violation.

It doesn't fall under fair use if you make a profit off of it.

>It's not sucking money directly from them, is it?

If it's porn, not likely. But nobody stops anyone from selling porn of their own IP. It would be company suicide, that's why they don't do it, not because they can't.

Just because someone doesn't sell figurines of their IP, it doesn't give you the right to make and sell them yourself without explicit consent.

Believe it or not, copyright doesn't actually hinder the creation of original content per se. It actually encourages it, or better, it only allows the creation of original content.

It's when it's claimed improperly that it becomes a problem.

There's still, again, the part where lowly artists would be able to profit only by piggybacking off the popularity of someone else's creation, not because they're skilled.

>>38365

>as long as it's not using actual assets from the copyrighted work

So I could create and sell my own Klonoa game as long as I make all the assets myself? Sure you could say that's an obviously shitty thing and that porn is obviously ok, but how do you adequately mark out all the gray area?

Ideally, keeping the law simple and letting you create whatever the hell you want from an IP as long as it isn't for profit and letting the IP holder designate things they're cool with you selling is better for everyone (although something as simple as fan art could be defined as eligible for sale). Unfortunately the law currently gives copyright holders too much power, if they have the money for the legal action.

But let's not derail the thread talking too much about this.

>>38365

>>38373

>>38394

>>38432

You guys could continue this discussion in the Art thread, perhaps. You'd be able to get more opinions from actual artists there.

Not being rude, just trying to help.

>>38387

I sent him the info for two pieces. I don't have PP so I guess we'll work through that. He's sending me his card number apparently, whatever that means.

>>38383

It's like her right clavical bone is too long, at least to me.

>>38474

>clavical

I meant whatever below her right shoulder going toward her breast. Don't know what it's actually called.

>>38478

I don't see why not. It's a very charming painting.

Do I need to remind you of the kind of garbage furries pay more than $800 for?

>>38478

Do we need to be reminded of Wolfy Nail and how stupid some people are?

>>38522

>>38525

It's a nice image, and indeed i have seen someone pay 1000 just to be added in a gay porn scene, however that image do not evenly remotely worth 800, no matter how nice it is, that's the point

>>38374

I'm glad that Candyfox has enough dignity to deny you.

>>38478

This looks amazing to be honest.

Totally worth the price for people that actually love art.

>>38539

As you said, if people pay a grand to be included in gay porn, this pic was undersold for $800.

It could've been sold for $8000, I still wouldn't have cared nor felt it was overpriced.

Good artists deserve to be rewarded. Gay furry "artists" aren't good artists.

So fuck them, I'd rather have a thousand good artists selling their pieces for a high price rather than even one single furry "artist" selling YCH for a grand.

Complain about these kind of people, not genuinely good art.

>>38478

Is there a higher resolution of this?

>>38478

If this were actually painted and the size of a 36"x24" canvas so you could hang it on your wall, it would be worth that price. But as a digital image that is, at best a poster print for a kid's bedroom, it's worth maybe $50.

>>38542

Rude.

>>38549

Maybe, but it's true.

And maybe you should take a hint and take your HUMAN commissions out of the FURRY board.

>>38551

Human/Feral where the human is the focus, isn't.

>>38557

People will buy $3000 stuff if they have an obsession over the art or just really love the artist to bits. Never mind if the art is actually good from subjective POV.

>>38557

>people accepting to pay for overpriced commission like nothing

>making every idiot capable of holding down a pen believing their skills worth millions just because they can draw straight

That literally only happens in the furry fandom.

Seriously, I'm not disagreeing with this, believe me, I even tried convincing people (mainly furries) of this.

They just wouldn't listen.

So I decided that if they're gonna set the bar that high for your distasteful, badly executed gay furry porn, then I'm gonna set the bar even higher for well-executed art.

That means: fine, buy your furry porn for 500$ from the faggot that just finished reading "how to draw 101" yesterday, you're gonna get a sore asshole when the actual artists come in and start charging thirty times that amount. And guess what? You'll have to pay up or get the fuck out.

By the way, that second one is a fucking masterpiece.

If it was an actual canvas painting, I would not bat an eye if it fetched 100 grand. Even in digital form, it would still be worth several thousands. The fine details are simply fantastic.

The first one not quite. It's very sketchy and looks more like concept art than a finished painting. The one that sold for $800 didn't have this problem.

Also, the concept plays a big role in estimating the value of a piece of art.

Imho, the 800 bucks piece shines in this. The Pole Star depicted as a celestial being above the clouds navigating the ship is quite enchanting. A simple yet original, secular reinterpretation.

Of course, if the same artist drew your gay ass sparkledog fagsona getting its 20-inch horsecock succ'd, it wouldn't have the same charm. And I'd probably agree with it being overpriced if it sold for $800.

>>38562

>love the artist to bits

love the artist because they're good, or love the artist because many others obsess with him/her? The two don't necessarily relate. They never do in this fandom. Never.

It's always about muh popufur here and muh popufur there.>6

>>38564

Well I suppose it would be obsession over the artist. I don't really get what makes an artist a popufur.

>>38565

Pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Appease all with the minimum effort.

Shit out a bunch of shallow stuff of the latest flavor of the month.

Cause drama.

Top it all with the fact that you're getting people to jerk off to your "art" and praise you for how many buckets you made them cum, not how skilled you are.

The rest will come by itself. People will fill the gigantic holes in your skills with their shallow imagination while beating their meat off and will hail you as the greatest artist that ever walked the path of furrydom and nobody will be able to challenge you.

Start a Patreon and voilà, free money.

>>38566

You can do all that and still not become popufur. It's a combination of roughly 1% doing that, and 99% the same as every other kind of success in the world: dumb luck that you were randomly selected to achieve that. At any one time, there will be hundreds if not thousands of artists drawing the same low-effort porn with the same quality (or lack thereof) yet only a few of them will suddenly start making fucktons of money, and the rest will languish in obscurity.

There is never a pattern or a logic or a recipe for success; it's just something that happens at random. Oh sure, there are steps you can take that will guarantee failure (like never doing anything) but there are no steps you can take to guarantee success. Anyone who tells you there are is a liar or a fraud, or is merely a living example of survivorship bias. Hard work doesn't matter. Talent or quality doesn't matter. The subject of your art doesn't matter. Knowing people matters a teeny tiny bit. It's like cancer. Oh sure, there are some things you can do that will raise your chances of getting cancer (smoking, eating shitty food, hanging around radioactive materials), but nothing you can do to guarantee you don't get cancer. If you're going to be the one person among thousands to get cancer, it's going to be at fucking random. That's the way cancer works; that's the way success works; that's the way the entire Universe works. You're only ALIVE because of random fucking chance. The sooner you recognize and accept this, the sooner you can move on with your life.

>commission artist for years

>have generally liked their work

>but have had to have them do constant anatomy corrections over the years

>have more corrections pending

>notice hands

>thumb curve and line of fingers at knuckle tend to be even, when thumb curve at webbing should be behind/lower

>look at numerous older drawings

>they have constantly drawn hands incorrectly with bend/curve in thumb webbing too far forward/lined up with knuckles

shit... I may not give them my business anymore. I could request they go and correct everything but it seems 80% of their hands are like this. It would take 2 months for them to do corrections. It's bad enough I never noticed, but this person apparently went to art college and studied anatomy, they should not be fucking up hand/thumb placement constantly. They shouldn't even be doing the constant anatomy goofs they do. It's like their only art reference is shitty anime.

I may not even speak to them anymore, if they can't even get basic anatomy right and fuck up hands & thumbs so bad then why should they get my continued business? It'd be easier just to disavow everything they've drawn than insist they fix all this art.

>>38554

I wouldn't say the human is the focus in that shot.

>>38688

Is it my fault that you have issues with your sight though?

>>38697

Who's the artist?

>>38698

Maybe you'd know if you actually bothered to read instead of trying way too hard to sound cool.

>>38708

I read it just fine. I just don't see how "This unrelated picture with one character focuses on one character haha Xd" is a valid explanation for how a picture with three characters given equal presence on a page is focusing on the one character he doesn't like.

>>38711

It's not equally focused and the fact that this autist keeps commissioning that human instead of the animals themselves pretty much proves that on it's own. Again, not my fault that you have sight problems.

>>38713

I say let the guy order what he wants. If feralXhuman isn't your shit then just ignore it. I don't see any problems with people sharing feral stuff with humans in it, regardless of whether humans are the focus or not.

If you look at the composition of the image, you'll see that all three characters are sharing space equally. There is a flow from one character to the next moving from the top to the bottom and that flow isn't cut off when it gets to the human character. What this means is that, since all three characters share the area of focus equally, all three characters share the focus of the picture. It's a group picture that focuses on the dynamic and the action of all three, not a picture involving an object being acted upon by subjects, or a subject acting upon objects (which is what a group picture with a singular focus would look like).

You can say "You're dumb and I'm smart, you're blind and I'm not" in response if you want but I'm more interested in trying to understand your conclusion and getting upset over nothing doesn't help either of us.

>>38711

It's because >>38713 is a whiny twat that gets his feelings hurt over human art.

>>38717

Throwing insults around without any argument sure does make you look mature.

>>38716

I don't have any problem with human/feral art being posted (even though personally I dislike it), it just gets tiring when this guy keeps spamming his commissions in every goddamn thread.

>>38708

artist is http://www.furaffinity.net/user/higgington