No.28489
Art Thread 1.0:
>>691
http://archive.is/j1n0S
Art Thread 2.0:
>>20379
http://archive.is/mKXt1
/fur/ community tag:
https://e621.net/post?tags=%2Ffur%2F
Basic Tips:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Woa9Lv-_ji33ZeZH2wObqnu4S9RhRPDLMASEzTZmOz8
Alright, so this is an art thread. Share your art, shill your commissions, offer art trades, give advice, ask for advice about your art, ask for resources you need to advance, ask for what types of resources you'd need to advance, share exercises, share inspiring music or inspiring artists, or anything else related to the creation of visual art! Don't know what to draw? Take some requests in our Draw Thread.
No.28496
and we're back.
so for >>27685 asking about drawing an well crafted ass. these tips should help out.
No.28503
I'm starting to color one of my sketches. Any thoughts before I go further?
>>28496
These will come in handy
No.28508
>>28503
looks good anon, a femboi fan huh?
Klonoas face might be a little lopsided and melty but other than that I dont see anything standing out at me right now. do you flip your canvas?
No.28518
>>28508
Yup
>do you flip your canvas?
No, but that's probably a good idea. I know I need to tweak the left eye, but what else about it seems lopsided?
No.28530
>>28518
just the muzzle mouth opening, it's not lined up. its really minor but otherwise if you asked someone outside the board they would probably give you the vague answer that something "off" but they cant tell what
No.28540
Blocking out some dragon man anatomy, probably will add more curve to his neck so it's more graceful rather than straight.
Probably have to add more mass to some of the back muscles as the back still feels a bit flat.
No.28546
>>28540
Question for you and the other more advanced modelers I've seen on here: Do you guys also rig your models? How hard is it to learn? Always wanted to take a crack for stuff like EG game model replacers.
also
>that chin
Brow is very T-rex, cool, but the curvature on rear to mid jaw might be excessive.
No.28547
>>28489
Why not put this in the draw thread?
No.28549
>>28547
Because the drawthread has hundreds of requests and a dozen deliveries.
No.28552
>>28547
because /art/ threads are for general improvment. /draw/ threads are for requesting or delivering free shit. they've been separate since the start of /art/ threads.
we could always crosslink the two threads so its easier to bounce between them.
No.28562
>>28546
Other 3D guy here.
Do I rig my models? It depends. If it doesn't need to animate then it's a waste of time, I can do posing without a rig.
If it does need a rig, then yes, it's quite tricky to build a proper rig. Although there's automatic rigging scripts to aid you in the process, they're useless if you don't know how to rig yourself in the first place.
For game model replacers, you're in luck, because you must use the same rig the developers used, unless you want to redo all the animations aswell (even then, it's still probably going to fuck itself at some point if you use a different rig). So the hard part for you is going to be having good topology and skinning the new geometry with the old bones.
No.28564
>>28562
Wait, isn't rigging the same thing for posing?
No.28578
>>28564
No, not necessarily. I'm talking about animation-ready rigs.
zbrush lets you deform the model via a simplified rig, which is more than enough to strike a pose. The raptor fellow here >>27429
was posed that way.
No.28579
>>28564
not the 3d anon but no it isntzbrush has transposing which doesnt take any rigging what so ever, and if you want to actually do a good job in a normal 3d program rigging is a whole mess of things like needing proper weight on the bones and making sure the skin isnt tearing vertices when you try to make a pose with it.
No.28583
Just about done. I'm not sure if I'll bother putting more effort on the anons.
How does it look?
No.28586
I'm looking for artists willing to draw from reference. Absolutely no deviation or "making it your own" through "stylization". Line for line the exact character in a pose I want.
So far, I have three people in mind that are willing to do this.
But adding more to my list of possible buys is always good because you never know, they could be dead tomorrow.
Anyone here fit this criteria or know someone who does?
No.28587
>>28586
>im looking for a tracejob
No.28588
>>28587
Yeah, practically. I don't care to see how you think you're better at designing characters than the original creator.
No.28590
>>28586
Let me guess: it's Sonic, right?
No.28593
>>28590
No, though I wish. That'd make it a lot easier.
Nice, though, that we live in a world with standards so low that I have to go out of my way to find people who will draw a character without fucking it up completely, and my desire for this is so controversial that I'm immediately accused of being autistic.
No.28597
>>28593
stop beating around the bush faggot, just give a character. even banifag has more of a spine than this
No.28601
>>28593
Consider following your word and leaving for good Salos.
No.28603
>>28601
>Salos
ah that explains it
No.28605
lets get this thread off eeriefag and back on track
>>28583 looks decent, simple shading but i dont see anything wrong with it. the only thing left is cleanup since i dont think youl be taking it to much more of a render
No.28632
>>28489
Draw me like one of your french foxes.
No.28641
>>28546
Honestly, it's getting easier, especially with auto rigging scripts that now do a huge chunk of the work for you. But of course if you want the best results you do it by hand.
Like the other anons were saying you can make a very simple rig in zbrush just to pose your character, or make a more complicated one for use in games/animation/etc.
A rig is essentially three things, a skeleton comprised of bones, which create the framework and tell the computer where the model should bend and where it shouldnt - the skin, which tells the computer which parts of the model should stretch and compress, and how closely they follow the bones - and finally fancy rigging tools that use math and other stuff to make legs or arms automatically work as a whole instead of moving the thigh, then the lower leg, then the foot, you can just move the foot and the rest of the leg follows suit.
The fancy rigging stuff is optional, but it makes life easier when doing lots of animations. Setting up the bones is simple enough, skinning gets a little tedious, but following some tutorials you should be able to make a simple rig without too much pain if you have experience with 3d software.
Like the other anon said though, if you're modding or replacing game characters you have the bones all set up, you just have to skin them to your new model, which if your new model is vastly different from the old one, you will likely get some funky problems!
Thanks for the comments, I'll tweak the face a bit
No.28714
literally how do I make inking pens look good?
No.28719
>>28714
with anti-aliasing.
No.28762
>>28714
Use lineweight. As a general rule of thumb, your lines should be the thick(er) where shadows are located at and your lines should be thin(er) where light is located at.
No.28769
>>28762
That last thing "drawing pringles" seems hard as fuck with a mouse or a pen, but I can do it literally effortlessly with the tip of my finger. It's makes me wonder if there's any sort of tablet that has an art stylus that is literally just a teeny nub on a thimble you stick on your fingertip. Seems it would make drawing a whole lot easier.
No.28790
>>28769
do you have a touchscreen? how do you know if its accurate moving your finger in the motion
No.28797
>>28790
I don't. I'm just saying it's a hell of a lot simpler to fine-control the tip of your finger (which you have been doing all your life) than learn how to use a pen as an "extension of your body" at the same level of intuitive simplicity.
No.28805
>>28797
I guess we'd need either a super sensitive resistive touch screen, or some kind of hybrid resistive/capacitive one.
No.28807
>>28797
sure i see your point. you could always try to hold the pen vertical close to your finger instead of holding it the way you were taught to hold a pencil. i know some artists that do that for a more precise result but you gotta unlearn the old way, and it takes more effort to maintain it.
No.28834
>>28769
It's just line weight distribution. If you have pen pressure, you just push your pen down harder in particular areas.
No.28868
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>28834
not really, "pringles skating" isnt lineweight practice thats coordination practice, like drawing elipses over and over and straight lines over and over. the airplane is lineweight practice.
dropping another resource for >>28714 its got a lot of the same info as the pic in >>28762 but in video format for those who want it
No.29100
>>28762
Ooooh nice, this never occurred to be before, it seems like a great drag that I have to shade both before and after making the lines now though
No.29133
>>29100
>I have to shade both before and after making the lines now though
Well, you should already know where the lightsource is going to be in the sketching/construction. By the time you get to inking that should just be reinforcing it, allowing you to place the thicker portions where the shading will already be.
No.29155
>>28583
Do you have FA/IB?
No.29161
No.29170
Study, scraped and shitpost
Repost cause i posted in old thread instead of this one
No.29179
>>29170
nice sketches anon, good range of subjects n shiet.
No.29208
>>29179
Thanks! i'm trying to git gud with values and i don't know what i'm doing
No.29236
>>28540
More anthro dragon - added the rest of his legs in and started working on the face and neck some more. Opened his mouth and gave him some teeth and tongue!
Probably going to work on his hands and feet next time ~
No.29237
>>29236
what a great expression
i wonder if people model an accurate digestive tract for vore animations
No.29255
>>29237
I've never seen it. It's pretty much just an infinitely-stretchable throat and infinitely-stretchable anus both leading directly to a pouch-like stomach that fills the entire torso, like with basically every furry in general.
No.29351
here's a silly phone doodle i did the other day
No.29352
>>29351
That's some really good lighting on the badger.
No.29354
>>29351
lighting is good, everything else looks meh
No.29357
>>29352
thx, i've never dopne highlights like this so im glad it turned out okay
>>29354
yeah i agree the posing and angle looks wonky, and the background is weak. i was trying to push myself with this app because i never use it, but it ended up looking kinda stiff
No.29460
>>29351
It's pretty good for being on a phone! What app did you use? I'm trying to get into.
You might want to add reflections in the water. It doesn't have to be accurate, but it'll look a lot more natural.
No.29462
>>29460
Here's some refs to see how it behaves.
No.29514
>>29460
>>29462
play store app called ArtFlow that i actually bought because the free version only allowed you to use 2 layers and limited undos. it's only like 2.99 i think
i actually did have a few references open at the time, but the app is kinda hard to maneuver with larger scale painting like with back grounds. and honestly at that point i kinda wanted to get it done (my hand was cramping up from drawing on a tiny screen) . and yeah you just reminded me that i totally forgot about their reflections
i have done something like that before, it just slipped my mind
No.29696
>TFW thread gets slow
Content bump
Alright guys, I'm still playing with fur, and lighting, and blah blah blah. Hands, shoulders/neck and above , pants, etc are very unfinished at this stage. Right now I'm just combining a bunch of different fur methods and lighting thinking I finally have half a grasp of what to use where. Maybe. One of these fucking days I'll be ready for commission if I don't die of old age first. Update with finished head later.
No.29700
>>29696
Looking good, anon. The chest hair looks a little too big though, you should scale it down.
No.29709
I experimented with a different style of coloring, cause on the first pic related I was a try hard of a realistic kinda shading, which I don't think it fits my style. So I went for a different approach, more cartoonish kinda shading on second pic related, what do you guys think?
No.29717
>>29709
First has that gross "i used gradients!" style that just doesn't work with those colors. Second looks fine if not a little moeblobby.
No.29727
>>29709
>>29717
the "I used gradients!" look is because the anon didnt control them enough.
Simple cleanup with hard edged brushes against the gradients would help or using the lassos to control where a hard edge on a soft edge is.
No.29847
>>29727
If you have to spend extra time putting them down, and still go back over it anyway, I don't see why learning brush control in the first place isn't better.
No.29868
>>29847
going back over things is part of brush control, its very unlikely youl be able to do a hard edge and soft edge all in one stroke. like with lost edges. but the good brush economy comes into how many times you paint over an area being minimalized.
No.29903
Mostly just want a place to put this.
I didn't do the linework, it was a commission Argento had done, but I wanted a color version dammit, so I colored it. I couldn't put it on a booru board, so here it is. Tried to emulate his recent style.
I think this is the first non-work semi-artistic thing I've done in over 3 years?
No.29906
... And a version without the dribble.
No.29960
>>29903
nice color work famalam
No.29977
>>29956
The expression is hard to read. Is she disgusted?
No.29981
This took me all fuckin weekend because dad kept coming into my room while I was drawing ;-(
No.29989
>>29960
I forgot how much I loved drawing. Did that coloring with a mouse, despite that it was fun. My old cheap horrible tablet died years ago, so as a little lap-around-the-sun present to myself I just ordered a Cintiq. I've never drawn directly to a screen, really looking forward to bumping up my art game.
Maybe in a few days I'll post something 100% original. :D
No.29990
>>29981
If I can give advice when it comes to fire; don't use outlines. Instead, anywhere you would use an outline on the inside of the flame, use white or pale yellow billows. If on the outside, drop them entirely.
This is my general rule for light sources, especially things like fire which don't have "edges" in real life.
No.29999
>>29977
She rolls her eyes at your comment.
No.30005
No.30006
>>29977
>is she disgusted?
No but i am. are you even trying?
No.30009
>>29981
are you implying you had to stop and hide the shame of drawing furshit every time he came in?
No.30038
>>29981
Mine caught me download Dr Comet porn to his computer when I was 13, so?!
No.30166
>>29981
Just draw not-embarrassing shit then.
No.30175
>>29977
i think she's smiling
No.30179
>>30166
Excellent movie reference.
No.30285
>>30009
He occasionally just comes in, lays down on my bed and starts talking about how his company is going to shit and how it's ok to have no friends, then he falls asleep, I'll be staring at a black screen the entire time
>>29990
Something like this?
>>30166
I fear that if my family finds out I'm into art and drawing they'll shower me with endless praise and bring it up constantly, I claim to own wacom solely because I play OSU (I don't)
Maybe if that happened I could show them some of my cringy furfag material so they'd just disown me instead
No.30292
>>30285
Just draw landscapes to use as backgrounds and show them those
No.30345
>>30292
Let me tell you a little story
Back in january I was at a family reunion, there I got in touch with like my dad's cousin or something, turns out he went to art school together with my dad and is a pretty accomplished artist.
Having gone to art school though he only ever paints weird abstract shit, we went around and discussed art, he showed me some of his paintings that were hung around on the walls in his home, we discussed things like art mediums, figure drawings and the like, turns out he had no experience with a tablet
Anyway, as the party dragged on he suggested he come over to my city sometime so we can look at each other's work, probably while sitting in a coffee shop or something, in the 6 months since he hasn't called but ever since that night I've had some mild anxiety he'll head on over, I really have never drawn anything I'd like to show anyone who isn't a weirdo on the internet but if he decides to come here I really don't have much of a choice, I'll have to pull out my degenerate anthro internet drawings.
I'm actually in really deep shit, fuck.
No.30374
Got that Cintiq. I am *freakishly* out of practice. For lack of a better style, I just filled it the same as I did with Argentos' work, only with my own linework.
That being said, first time using Krita, first time on a tablet, it could have been worse. :D
No.30375
>>30374
Nice work anon, seems a little shiny though.
No.30384
>>30374
not bad
Needs more gay though
No.30388
>>30285
>He occasionally just comes in, lays down on my bed and starts talking about how his company is going to shit and how it's ok to have no friends, then he falls asleep
This guy drinks. A lot.
No.30508
Round 2! I think I'm starting to get the hang of the tablet.
No.30779
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
nother resource. for anyone whos wrapped up in the beginning struggle of accuracy
No.30807
can i get some painting help
i'm trying to paint this room (there will be characters added later) but i'm not very good with light, let alone with painting it
one version with my shitty Add Glow crutch and one without.
No.30836
>>30807
The corners should be darker than the surrounding areas, because there's fewer directions for light to reach in. So where the wall meets the floor, for example, both should get a little darker.
No.30840
Found some more time to work on dragon mans legs - wish I could find more hours to model this guy
No.30843
>>30836
what about picking proper colors and stuff?
that's where i feel like my lighting and coloring is the worse
No.30983
>try implementing perspective into figures
>suddenly a weird skew to line art
I think this new software is messing with me as well. I feel like a noob again.
No.31025
No.31059
No.31101
>>31025
you need to show some respect
No.31103
>>30983
she is very nice however i have no constructive criticism for you
No.31104
>>29956
she is not very well defined in 3d space
she seems lumpy and misshapen
No.31105
No.31109
>>31105
work on construction
No.31113
>>31103
I appreciate that, it's always nice to know when I do something decent. I think it's the shape around her stomache that may be bothering me. The form is sort of messy there. Perhaps I'll patch that up real quick and call it done. It's more or less just a sketch anyways.
No.31120
No.31251
This is round 3 with the tablet drawing. It's a little more complicated than the other 2 attempts, here's the sketch in progress before I jump into linework / colour.
No.31256
>>31251
Linework. If the eyes are 200% creepy, it's because I don't know how I want to do them, but I'm going to try something new. Well, new-er.
No.31272
>>31256
Shading will probably make it easier, but I'm having a hard time reading what's going on in this. There's a lot of mystery spaces with little information.
No.31302
>>31125
Have you considered doing an animation? It would look good in your style.
No.31306
>>31272
Do the flats make it comprehensible?
No.31312
>>31306
Yeah. Is the pink one some sort of goo creature? They seem to be inside each other.
No.31315
>>31306
>that elbow
its time for you to do some anatomy studies anon.
No.31323
Are there artists in this thread that have a style and skill that matches the baldurs gate series? (pic related) I recently got into the BG series and cant stop. I use an irl pic of me for my char wich is cool but even cooler would be a pic that matches in art style. Also im trough BG1 already and some 40 hours into 2 so when i'm trough that im going to start the icewind dale ones and in those im gonna mod one of the characters into a gnoll wich i'm gonna do a pic of my dog in. Any help would help me that point me into the direction of an artist capable of that. I never bought commisions but that would enhance my game experience so much that im ready to spend coin for that.
The thing is just that i need an artist with similar style that does furrys and humans.
No.31325
>>31323
If it's that low res then I can do a shoop for you.
No.31326
>>31325
i didnt find another picture, i wanted a real high res one, that i maybe can also hang onto my wall, if i spent money on it i may as well get everything out of it thats possible. Like a real cool pic where me and my dog are in armor and stuff. I dont know how much commisions cost on average but i think i can pay for it. I just try to get a relativly unknown, but skilled artist. I just dont get how you could ever spend 1000$+ not even on a commision but on a YCH, i would never YCH no matter how down in life i am.
No.31327
>>30807
>>30843
colors arent what you should be focusing on right now, you should be looking at values. work on getting your colors correct after you understand how to use values. afterwords you can throw it ontop as a layer to effect your colors like multiply for shadows, screen for lights, or overlay for both.
No.31365
>>31312
>>31315
... The... Uuuhhhh. Huh. I don't know what happened.
What it *looks* like I've done is twist our unfortunate pink bunny in a way that breaks the anatomy too much to recover. I mean, her rib cage kinda disappeared.
I think 90% of it is that I started with the cat, added the bunny on top, and when I fixed some inconsistencies back at the cat, I didn't pay attention to what I had done to pinky there.
Damn.
Now it's of those pictures where, the more you look at it, the worse it gets. XD
Maybe I'll try a few more singles before I jump into the deep end again. :)
No.31366
>>31365
Actually, I'm fairly happy with the cat, maybe if I just ditch the rabbit...
No.31368
>>31366
... Nope. The inconsistencies in her are minor in comparison to the rabbit, but she has a couple. So, yeah, IN THE TRASH WITH IT!
No.31372
>>31365
>>31366
>>31368
Heh, I was wondering what was going on there. The lines themselves were pretty, good job.
No.31377
>>31125
how2get minimal lines.
No.31379
>>31302
yep, I do light animation on the side. it's shameful, but Flash is my preferred drawing software.
The only thing holding me back from doing actual animations is that I need to figure out a more conservative work flow so I don't get burnt out half way through a project.
>>31377
what now?
No.31415
Here's another phone doodle. The one on the left is finished. If anyone has any criticism about the posing for the middle let me know. It looks kinda retarded idk
No.31416
>>31327
is this a step in the right direction?
No.31417
>>31415
how in the fuck do you even draw on a phone?
No.31418
>>31417
a lot of people draw on their phones. i just recently started doing it and like anything it takes a bit getting used to. also i use a capactive wacom pen.
heres one of the first things i drew on it. kinda shitty but i think i've gotten better
No.31422
>>31416
yeah, remember to break things down into planes. so the front of the shelves and books will be lighter than the back side. . i couldnt really tell where your sun light was coming from but if its from above youl need some shadows under each shelf unless the whole bookcase is in shadow.
No.31428
>>31422
is there anyone to like
"cartoon" it up some? i draw in like a really cartoonish sharp and sorta anime-ish i know, i'm sorry style and this sorta clashes a bit with what i'm going for.
No.31430
>>31428
I think your "cartooning it up" is just cell shading. All the rules about planes, what's hit by light and shadow still exist just to a more narrow value range. It's difficult to find a tutorial for environments since all the cell shading stuff is on characters but all the same logic applies
No.31600
>>31430
>cell shading
not a thing that exist.
No.31602
>>31428
It should be fine. A lot of anime background art is like that, probably because characters can stick out.
No.31613
Guess I'll dump some art tuts, maybe it'll help someone out...
No.31668
o shit an art thread. Here are a bunch of wips I've been working on on and off. I have so many wips. I don't think I've finished anything that wasn't a commission in a while
No.31674
>>31668
Looks good anon. The last one has a lot of character, have you tried animating before?
No.31675
>>31674
lmao no, animating sounds way too fuckin hard. But thank you!
No.31703
>>31668
nice horse dick, glad to see you drawing best dick
No.31716
No.31729
back again with a little more help required
the bookshelf behind them is supposed to have ...books on them, but i've gotten no idea what i'm doing with that
any tips?
No.31737
No.31740
>>31737
cute stuff, thanks for sharing.
No.31743
>>31729
Imagine the light coming in as an arrow pointing in 3d space. As you paint in each face, see what angle it is in relation to the arrow. If the arrow is pointing at it dead-on, it should be at full brightness. If it's pointing tangent to or behind the face, it should be in shadow. When it's tangent to it, it might look a bit odd to have it completely dark so it's okay to have the light "bend" around the edges a little.
No.31751
>>31743
well i'm getting that...now, but my issue is trying to do books on a shelf which are going to be an important part of the scene, but also they can't be too detailed, but also need SOME definition
i don't know where that 'inbetween' would sit
No.31752
>>31751
Do a solid color and some fancy trimming.
No.31791
>>31729
It seems like tough work, but you luckily don't have to paint all of them in detail. Just detail the few ones that are close to your focal point or the area that you want your viewers to focus on.
No.31919
>>31600
>Reee dont use terms i dont approve of even though its widely accepted and taught
And what would (You) call a reduced value range style smart guy?
No.31938
>>31919
It's cel shading.
Not cell
No.31975
So I scaled back after the ribcage catastrophe, this time around I decided to do plump subject to see how that would work since I've never done an overweight figure.
Boned in as normal, did her at "fit" proportions, then layered the additional weight over top to ensure the anatomy would fit.
Hair ticked me off though. For the life of me I can't make "shiny hair" work. :/
There will be the full (absurd) resolution on e621. Yes, bigger than 3250x2500.
No.31976
>>31975
There's something wrong with the shading on her pussy. Also, where's the rest of her shoulder?
No.31978
>>31976
For the shoulder, she's leaning/sitting on her right hand so the arm is being pulled down, which is why it's angled like that.
On the shading, maybe softening the light? I could also kill the tuft of hair - it's not shaded at all correctly, it would technically be flat dark with the frontish-above light source. Thoughts?
No.31981
>>31976
So I adjusted the shading and tweaked the lines on the right shoulder...
I also re-enabled the shiny-hair layers, because it's better than flat hair at least. Tweaks here and there.
No.32065
>>31938
you win this round.
No.32075
>>31981
I think the shoulder is more of a coloring problem. The pattern isn't symmetrical.
No.32127
>>32075
At this point, I'm leaning on the face as the bottleneck over the shoulder... I don't really want to get too bogged down on tweaks, more/less I'm aiming to get used to using a tablet/Krita, so I'm not going to dwell too much on one piece for now.
... That, and I started the next thing before I read your reply.
SO!
Tanuki girl! Ish!
Perspective!
More gay! >>30384
Floorwax, and a dessert topping!
I'll colour it later, but for now, here's the sketch and linework.
No.32282
probably my last drawing in flash. It just keeps crashing now of days so I figure I'll switch to an animation software with actual drawing tools.
No.32413
Content bump
>TFW you are so autistic about the head/face not being cartoony you would never get commissioned even if you didn't suck at drawing anyway
Going to finish painting in the rest of this speedsketch
Here's just the bust for now
No.32414
>>32413
>Antlers aren't centered for some reason
>Only notice this two seconds after posting
Whelp
Good thing I'm not even halfway done with the full piece
No.32415
>>32413
Things don't really seek to be placed solidly. How many passes was this before going into shading?
No.32416
>>32415
>How many passes was this before going into shading?
...one? It was just a pencil speedsketch I decided to go back to. The shading was a couple passes and was more fixing than shading.
Just playing with new brush settings. Way fucking better than anything I was using before for shading.
>Things don't really seek to be placed solidly.
... I need to slow the fuck down and not waste time if I'm not going to put 110% into the underlying sketch?
No.32547
>>32127
Tried colouring the lines, and a different method of shading. Also used the sketch brush for the eyes, which I'm happier with.
Does anybody here colour their lines? What techniques are floating around?
No.32581
okay this is my last time posting about this picture- i just wanted to know how i should go about attaching colors to this? what i've done so far (just for a starting point) is to take the old coloring and just Soft Glow it over the values I did earlier.
but I'm not entirely sure how to go about it from this point really, or is this okay?
No.32589
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>32547
only technique for coloring lines is the one for coloring lines. as far as ive seen it never changes, its the same in every program.
No.32597
>>32416
>I need to slow the fuck down and not waste time if I'm not going to put 110% into the underlying sketch?
Thing is you're already wasting time with >>32413 you have so many unnecessary marks and and chickenscratched lines that the whole thing takes much longer than if you put some discipline on yourself and learned how to make clear decisions on the sketching form before you start to paint.
Can it be cleaned up and fixed? sure, and if thats your method youre happy with then fine but even the sculpters like approach can still get more efficient or clean results if you make bolder marks. the beginning sketch phase should have marks to inform you or remind you on your next step making it easier in the long run.
No.32663
>>31312
>goo
Well, I hated having the picture sitting there never to be finished, so I just went back, corrected some anatomy on the cat, and sent the bunny to go 'full goo'.
No.32669
>>32589
Alright, that's exactly what I was doing. You just never know if someone has figured out a 'better way' or not with these apps. :3
No.32735
messing with perspective, hands, and female anatomy
No.32752
so what do mah fellow drawfags do when you get hit by dat skill fatigue and can't draw shit for a week?
No.32759
>>32752
I continue drawing, even if it's not good. I either imagination draw or copy art from other artists, you can even put your on spin on it to remain motivated.
No.33588
What should I focus on to get better at not having so much distortion on my drawings? They always tend to look pretty rough when flipped but they are easy to fix, I just figure that takes time and I wish I could see my art correctly from the get go.
No.33653
>>33588
It's fine since first passes always look rough. I just train by drawing or thinking on contrstruction. You can measure or use simplfied shapes beforehand. I trained my accuracy by drawing plates from the charles bargue manual.
No.33659
>mom walks in while I'm drawing
No.33669
>>33588
Keep flipping your canvas to reset your eyes and help catch the distortion, but the method >>33653 talks about is very good too, excellent method for drawing from reference. its just a little weird to break everything into envelope shapes if youre drawing from imagination.
The bargue method is to strip it down into 2d shapes and get everything totally accurate before you start adding the shadows (which are just more 2d shapes)
No.34050
We should bring back theme threads.
No.34256
>>32631
Wanna post the rest of this? It's such a great tutorial so far. Need more knowledge about drawing! feed meh!
No.34268
>>34256
I'm actually done recording the videos so I'll be posting whole video links soon, but they're too big to upload to 8ch's embed in 1 chunk.
No.34316
Here it is. Full video of >>32597
h ttps://mega.nz/fm/xTxQnRbB
No.34396
anyone know any good coloring/shading tutorials for SAI? or using paint brushes to color? to this day I still use the Pen + water tool.
No.34400
is it bad to use character sheets when modeling like this?
It feels like tracing.
No.34404
>>34400
Not at all. It's standard practice.
No.34407
>>34404
gotcha, that's good to know. Maybe I'll also do some free sculpts in Zbrush on the side so I don't get lazy.
No.34411
>>34400
who cares, furfags and even industry professionals use it all the time. You do what you gotta do to make art.
No.34420
>>34400
>blender
kek
>is it bad to use character sheets when modeling like this?
No, but it's bad to model characters like THAT.
On an unrelated note, I wonder where ClosetAnon went. ClosetAnon, where are you?
No.34422
>>34420
>No, but it's bad to model characters like THAT.
care to expound? I can't find much on sculpting full bodies in blender so I'm trying to figure out a lot of this for myself.
No.34430
>>34422
>I can't find much on sculpting full bodies in blender
It's simple, really. You don't sculpt full bodies in blender. You don't sculpt at all in blender. You don't do very much in blender at all except maybe some hard surface modeling. You mentioned zbrush, use that instead. And as good practice, don't search things like "how to sculpt full bodies in blender". Search instead "how to sculpt in blender" to learn the commands (god forbid you actually do it for blender sculpting, out of all things) or "how to sculpt [thing]" to learn the technique. Applying the same technique to different software is what skill is all about except fucking blender, jesus.
Also, don't have all the reference views on one pic, moving the model around to match. Instead, keep the model centered at the world origin and cut the reference image into multiple images, loading them accordingly into separate views. Even better, load them onto image planes so you can even use a single view if you're short on screen space.
Also, I would model the purple glove separately from the body.
No.34433
>>34430
gotcha, the big thing I have blender for is the animation. I figured out there was a really nice method you could use in the program to emulate traditional animation with half the work (maybe less). Now the goal is just to git gud at modeling.
No.34434
>>34433
>>34430
oh, and I forgot to say thanks for the advice. Switching to Zbrush for my modeling.
No.34656
>>34433
There's no point in doing the whole thing in blender if you're just interested about the rendering process.
Hell, you can do everything else elsewhere up to the animation and just plop the thing in blender to render it out.
Don't underestimate the rigging process either, it's a tough bitch.
Also, don't sculpt the base in perspective. Ortho only. You'll fuck up the volumes otherwise (and the ref images won't line up, either).
No.34670
Just posting two things here. 1st pic was a CSP test and 2nd pic is supposed to be a pun based on Geese Howard.
>>34433
I should try it again, I remember that I gave up on it easily after watching a tutorial.
No.34673
>>34656
Blender only shows the reference in ortho mode + cardinal directions.
No.34674
>>34673
That's nice, though you shouldn't really load image planes onto the background directly. Not anymore at least. Image planes are more flexible and more commonly used.
No.34761
>>34670
What really helped me was taking notes. I write down all the shortcuts and functions I find useful and if I don't remember them specifically when I'm working I just keep the notes up in a document on the side and quickly reference them.
>>34656
I figured as much, though it's funny I've seen several tutorial videos arguing to only sculpt in perspective but it really doesn't give you a great representation of what you're getting.
Also, looks like I'm going to have to hold off on Zbrush. 700 dollars is a bit crazy for it. I did work in the trial quite a bit though and learned the work flow and besides the brush selection and lighting I'm having a hard time seeing the difference between it and Blender. Not trying to descredit Zbrush mind you, just that I haven't been able to find what makes it better.
No.34768
>>34761
>700 dollars is a bit crazy for it
Tsk, you haven't seen how much compositing software costs. 700 bucks is peanuts.
>I haven't been able to find what makes it better.
You haven't tried hard enough.
No.34769
>>34768
sadly peanuts I don't have, Guess for now I'll just be thankful there's a guy who managed to get some quality out of the sculpting with the program sharing his tips.
No.34861
>>31323
I'm a painterly artist that could do this for you. I don't do a lot of furries atm (I used to be more into furry stuff when I was a lot younger. Furcadia yo) but I could try to match BG's style for you if you like. If you want more samples you can email me at blutentaspy@gmail pic related. Portrait I did for a RPer.
No.35259
>>34420
I've been dead basically - sorry
Also, I forgot my log in... if you still have access to that email I sent you, could you just write what the numbers on the end of it were here? Otherwise I will just keep trying random combos I think I used, maybe I'll accidently get it right.
No.35493
What do you guys think?
Starting a new comic series
No.35496
>>35493
You are so fucking bad you should be ashamed of asking for money. But I've seen way worse shit getting fucktons of dosh, so eventually some retarded manchildren are gonna throw their autismbux at you, unfortunately.
Also fuck off, self-shilling nigger.
No.35500
>>35493
The panda character is too cliche
No.35508
>>35493
i like it. i hope the bunny becomes the groups bicycle.
No.35515
>>35493
Your...unique grasp of anatomy aside, that's some seriously shit tier writing, my dude. Hire a writer, preferably after you pay for some art lessons.
No.35721
>>35515
>>35496
>your art is shit!!!
>then tell me what I should improve on
>the anatomy is wrong!!!
>what part of the anatomy?
>IT'S JUST AMBIGUOUSLY BAD BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!! WAAAAH!!! HE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN AUDIENCE FOR THIS, MOMMY! *emo sissy whining*
show some fucking respect, bitch
No.35728
>>35493
I'm just going to drop in because the advice given here seems hostile.
First off, it's awesome that you're trying out closeups, comics, and difficult poses. It'll be a little wonky at first, but you're guaranteed to get better with them. It's way better than doing 3/4ths or frontal shots most of the time because you're training with all of your fundamentals. I went to do oekaki because I wanted to experiment more without having to worry about the end result, but what you're doing is better.
I don't think that anatomy is the issue as you know here your muscle placements are, but it wouldn't hurt to know more of it so that you can get freedom with body types.
You might be actually struggling with proportions, or how a body or head is evenly divided. You do have the head evenly divided into thirds, but the entire head seems to end at the hairline as opposed to the top of the head. What helped me the most with it were drawing the plates from the Gottfired Bammes book.
I don't think that quality matters whenever it comes to a comc anyway, it's speed and content.
No.35740
>>35728
Seconding this, focus on the heads. Some are ok, some are way off, typically the eyes and the foreheads.
No.35869
>>35721
>show some fucking respect, bitch
You don't deserve it. Bitch.
No.35889
>>35493
please tell me you're not charging for this...
No.36111
>>36096
Is that where the tail is supposed to be?
No.36177
>>36111
Yeah, the angle makes it look a bit strange I admit, but I wanted to make the tail more feral and integrated rather than the anthro ponytail above the butt thing.
No.36207
>>35889
You live in a world where a-holes charge for Palcomix and get rich by playing Pokemon.
No.36235
>>35721
<tell me what I should improve on
how about hands because jesus fuck man.
No.36243
>>35496
>>35515
>>35889
What's with all this hostility? Is this guy an asshole or what?
No.36245
>>36243
He's shit and he made a thread just to self-shill his shit comic.
He either deleted it or the mods did, then came here.
Nonetheless, he remains a cunt at heart.
No.36366
>>36177
I like this model a lot, especially the head and legs! Very saucy.
The butt looks nice from behind, but I think the tail should move back some. I understand what you were going for and I approve, but it looks unnatural for the tail to be too far ahead of the legs, especially at 3/4. He needs a defined crotch and a bit more thickness on the tail, imo.
Also it looks like the arms are pushing his torso in when at rest at his sides - but I assume you're still working on the weight paint.
No.36394
I've been trying out that method of shading where you just put multiply over everything and chip away on it with a glowbrush
There's something dead outside and the smell gets into my room every time I open the window, but if I close the window the computer heats the room to pyroclastic levels
No.36395
>>36394
Are you using the line tool in SAI? If you are, don't use it anymore because it doesn't mesh well with your colors. Just redraw them and increase your lineweight around darker colors.
No.36403
>>36395
>>36394
>unironically using SAI
Photoshop, you niggers.
No.36405
>>36403
Photoshop isn't tailored for drawing and it really shows. It doesn't even have native smoothing.
No.36407
>>36405
lazy nezumi, bitch.
No.36409
>>36403
>nothing personal
>not nothing personnel
shit tier meme image, kkid
No.36455
been working on this a bit for a few days after not drawing for like a month and was wondering if there was anything that looked wrong
I really wanna get back intro drawing
No.36517
No.36636
>>28489
>tfw too poor to afford commissions
>learning art so I can just make art myself for free
>friends say I should take commissions or get myself out there
>never finish anything and end up tossing most of my stuff away
>don't think my art is worth a single dime yet
it's an alright hobby
i should get to a point where i could take in some cheap commissions or something without having the feeling that said person paying is getting ripped off for a meh product
anyone got tips for staying motivated?
No.36638
>>36636
Save old works and look back on them to see how far you've come. Seek feedback from others and strive to match one aspect of an artist's works that you admire.
No.36665
>>36636
I think you should make sure you're drawing regularly and maybe, to simply test the waters, ask some close friends to give you some requests and see if you can actually draw whatever shit other people want you to draw, to get you out of your comfort zone.
No.36667
>>36636
Make a routine out of making art. Study IRL stuff. Learn anatomy. Don't get stuck with one style that looks kinda good and don't get Same Face Syndrome. Draw stuff you want to draw, have fun with it.
No.36673
>>36671
>gimp
might as well use paint.net with the more brushes add-on
No.36678
No.36679
>>36678
>proprietary software
No.36736
>>36687
where is mario paint?
No.36745
Just posting some wip digital painting, a sketch, and oekaki stuff.
>>36636
I have this issue myself, but never quit on creating stuff. Even if you think that it will be bad. You have the potential to change it and it's better than having nothing at the end.
Besides, a lot of people who have your mentality turn out to be pretty good in the eyes of others. It's not so much about technical skill, but about passionate you are about executing your ideas.
No.36749
>>36747
maybe
Just wanted to try out a thinner build after someone suggested me to.
No.36782
>>36771
You... really need to try something a bit a lot more lithe. His head is too small as well.
No.36783
>>36782
I'm capable, but I'll exaggerate my gestures more.
No.36784
>>36771
N8 got fuckin swole, wow.
No.36787
>>36638
I dunno why, but looking at my old stuff, regardless of how bad it is compared to how I am now always just makes me feel bad for some reason. As of right now, I don't really have anything in terms of old stuff I made. It's long gone.
>>36665
>>36667
I try to draw as much as I can, but that's kinda the reason why I was asking about motivation. I just can't keep myself drawing.
>>36745
For the time being, this is the only thing I can find that I made, second attempt at shading anything and first attempt "painting" or w/e using nothing but colors/no grayscale
I ended up scrapping it back in march and idk if or where any backups are
No.36794
>>36784
gotta break that glucose into ATP
>>36787
Just post in environments where you would be praised or encouraged to draw the stuff you like. Art is meant to be shown off after all.
I know what you're thinking, that it's bad to be in a "hugbox or safespace". However realistically, human beings always need to get something positive from the activities that they're doing. Be it a positive amount of money or something intangible like praise. Everyone hates losing the all money they won from gambling because they've wasted their time. I stopped doing a lot of requests because of it. What's the point of me doing a piece for >3 days with unlimited revisions if I find the process unenjoyable and if the requester doesn't like it? I would rather do studies and concepts that I legitimately dig.
I still make mistakes, but I don't let it prevent me from drawing anymore. I just vow to do better and push it aside as I know that I would get a few non-ideal days.
No.36796
>>36771
Has N8 been working out recently? He looks a little different...
No.36802
>>36782
His head is slightly smaller than his original design, but it's pretty normal for an anthro character. He was meant to be off-model anyway because I couldn't find ref at the time, so I used an old painting I did of him as a guideline.
Still pretty fun to do though.
No.36836
>>36638
>actually looking at your old art
>not storing it away in a folder inside a folder inside a folder, never to be seen by anyone ever again
No.36842
>>36787
Your rendering is pretty good, you mind want to add ambient occlusion (add black lines in the darkest areas) if you can. I'll post an example when I head back.
No.36870
>>36794
I really have a hard time sharing anything I make, I'm in a few groups, but I mostly discuss and such with them, don't really post my stuff in there. I get too nervous when I post. This probably sounds really stupid, but the last time I did post something in there months ago, I had to step away from the group for a bit because of anxiety.
>>36842
Yea, i never even really got to highlights, hence why the eyes are so dull.
i should scour my computer to see if i can find and backups or something.
No.36873
>>36870
that's how I feel when I try to show people my drawings but I mostly chalk it up to a reluctance to admit that I have a while to go before my drawings look anything close to flawless
I think you're probably placing too much strain on yourself wondering what other people will think when the vast majority of them will probably just say "it's better than anything I could do" (unless you're talking about an art group, in which case I'd assume they'd try to be constructive instead of insulting)
No.36881
>>36870
What personally worked for me was that I stopped fixating on the flaws of others. I noticed that if you judge others negatively, then you have a fear of being judged the same way yourself, causing you become hesitant with displaying potential flaws.
It was just best for me to keep a humble and constructive attitude. I break it at times, but I try to remain that way.
No.36969
>>36881
I hardly fixate on the flaws of others unless they really tell me to. I fixate way too much on my own flaws and such.
I can't figure out what's off on something, I show a close friend a thing and they say it looks fine, and even though they say that and such, I get stuck playing a game of where's waldo with myself.
>>36873
Very rarely I post to a art group, most of the time, it's to a small group of close friends. All the feedback is usually positive or constructive, but I still get embarrassed and anxiety filled showing others what I've made to the point that even when pressured, I usually back away before I even come close to considering posting.
My self-esteem is literally non-existant lol
No.37177
>>36745
hey drawfag, are you gonna finish that first one, he looks like a fun plumper
No.37194
just posting a scribble for the anon doin the dragon request. >>36745
>>35192 is more like just a feral standing upright with opposable thumbs n shiet. What you painted is more like an anthro dragon standing on his toes. Me thinks you're too attached to human bodies and you should do some animal studies too.
No.37201
>>37177
I'll try to anon! :D
>>37194
I see what you mean, it's not the type of thing that you would see on /tg/. I have been studying animals as well (primarily mammals), but not as indepth as I have been with human anatomy.
I probably missed that mark because my overall goals are different. I won't go into detail, but I've been trying to train my memory so that I can do imaginative stuff easily for projects that are completely different from /tg/ material. But still, I agree with you and I'm still going to study them as more knowledge never hurts.
No.37211
Can I get a quick anatomy check on a butt I'm drawing?
No.37213
>>37211
post the full image, cant tell which way this is supposed to go. but it looks like a feral cat but with a big poofy tail.
No.37215
>>37213
Ah. That might be a problem, because this is the full image. It might be easier to see if I remove the tail, though.
The pattern off to the left is a pair of pajamas pulled down, and the black in the upper-right is a tee shirt pulled up. The reason it's pulled in so close is that the picture is a selfie.
No.37231
>>37215
No.
If this happens >>37213 (i.e. people can't figure out what the fuck your picture is), you've done something horribly wrong.
No.37232
>>37215
you should probably just try to draw a full image (or part of one) and then crop it at their ass if you want it to look decent
No.37243
>>30285
>I fear that if my family finds out I'm into art and drawing they'll shower me with endless praise and bring it up constantly
Just draw some still life or acceptable cartoons that's not anime or furshit if they ask. I got a while portfolio (physical) that my girlfriend stole for just that reason. She's seen my other hidden portfolio but not what's inside it yet. I must burn it ASAP. She hasn't seen my digital stuff but she's seen my recent phone history which was futa pony shit on pornhub.
Rambling but the point ia just have some shit on hand to satisfy their curiosity.
>staring at a black screen the whole time
Are you literally autistic? Because holy shit dude. Just lock the compiter and go watch tv or something. Or play a game. God damn.
No.37249
>>37243
>futa pony shit
>on pornhub
No.37251
>>37243
isn't pornhub automatically incognito?
No.37267
>>37211
If it helps, try to define the position of the sacrum and iliac crest. You can attach the tail to the co cynx
Also display line weight if you can.
No.37268
>>37267
Here's a really quick "redline" about what I'm talking about. 2nd pic related is something from JMGN that you might find helpful.
No.37272
>>37268
i dont know what the fuck im looking at here aside from the asscheek but thats not a tail you drew. some sort of cross between a lumpy blob and a bone with an asshole on the outside.
>>37211 just do what >>37232 suggests because trying to draw a megacropped picture from the start is a bad idea unless you're already good at imagining the rest outside the frame.
No.37275
>>37272
Should have provided ref to show what I was talking about. The tail is connected to the cocynx part of the sacrum, which is a part of the pelvis. An animal pelvis connects in the same way.
Visually, it's meant to look at pic related 4 at the top right.
No.37279
>>37272
Thanks to you and the rest for your advice. I'm gonna keep fiddling with this one and see if I can make the image more clear with color and shading. If not, oh well. It was just meant to be a practice drawing anyway.
No.37384
Can I get some critique for this?
No.37411
>>37384
Anatomy is shit, linework is shit, coloring is shit, shading is shit, character is shit. Back to basics with you.
No.37421
>>37411
>>37384
The shading on the legs at least actually looks pretty okay though I think. Rest is questionable.
No.37428
>>37384
Looks like he's got a pillow strapped to his chest.
Both wings look rather funky as well.
No.37430
>>37384
I'm not entirely convinced there's a way to do the full-on arm-wings concept on an upright character without it looking stupid. The closest I've ever seen are characters who effectively just have arms with light webbing on them. I mean, how does he put his shirt on?
No.37448
>>37411
You should dump resources and an elaborate critique for that anon instead of writing a lazy response. It'll help you and that anon in the long run because you're prompted to think about your thought process.
No.37458
>>37411
Why are you throwing such a shitfit, shitfuck? Calling something "shit" isn't constructive criticism. You're probably just mad because you can't do better yourself and that fact hurts your ego.
Show some fucking respect or shut the fuck up.
No.37463
>>37448
Here, he should read OP and click "basic tips". >>28489
Seriously, it's not like any piece of drawing warrants an "elaborate critique", especially those like these, which would mean several lengthy posts of pointing out each major and minor flaw.
You can't expect someone to point out each spot where color goes outside the boundaries, each smear in the linework, each spot where the shading wasn't smoothed properly or that the toes weren't separated and are just yet another bunch of line smears. Those are just laziness on the artist's part.
Just like you can't point out each flaw in the anatomy when a simple "go back studying anatomy" suffices.
Rememeber the countless times the "practice, practice, practice" mantra was mentioned?
That's my critique.
Practice, practice, practice.
>>37458
>You're probably just mad because you can't do better yourself and that fact hurts your ego.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
Oh God, that's funny.
Some projection you got there.
<inb4 show something you made
I'm not obliged to account for anything with you.
No.37466
>>37463
>i can totally do better!
>spend 2 seconds uploading a picture? No fucking way! I dont have to prove anything to you shitlord!
>give useful criticism? Nah, that's too much work, I'll just call it something mean instead, criticizing things that aren't flawless takes too much brainpower
You refuse to give anything but vitriol as critique and you won't post any of your own work, yet you want me to believe you're better than that guy? Burden of proof is on you. By the way, even if you are more skillful (highly unlikely, because if you were you'd be able to at least give a few pointers seeing as you already have time to call it shit), everything you say does nothing but prove you are a giant doodoo head, so you should follow the thread rules and stop flaming or preferably, shut up.
don't even bother with the muh butthurt muh projection bullshit, i got nothing more to say to you.
No.37467
>>37463
I agree that it's good to practice, but it's not a good idea to do it without direction. You're likely to form wrong solutions when you're trying to solve an issue aimlessly.
You don't need several posts to state that he needs to utilize line weight and form while posting infographics that support your claim. With regards to lineart, lines are more thicker in the shadow more than they are in the light. If you can't break it down like I did in my previous sentences, then you don't know much. Maybe you do, which is why it's crucial to be constructive so that you and everyone else can parse that information easily.
No.37468
>>37466
I don't think I've ever claimed to be better than anybody here. That's something you made up. Even then, that's hardly relevant. Yet again, I don't have to prove anything. Not to you, not to anyone else.
And sorry, but when someone comes in with a generic "please give critique" and presents a supposedly finished piece without even bothering to clean up the linework nor not color outside the boundaries, that's just insulting. Don't even try convincing me that's something someone else has to point out for him to notice.
There is nothing more to say other than go back to the basics and keep practicing.
No.37471
>>37468
>but when someone comes in with a generic "please give critique" and presents a supposedly finished piece without even bothering to clean up the linework nor not color outside the boundaries, that's just insulting. Don't even try convincing me that's something someone else has to point out for him to notice.
He's clearly journeyman level, he probably doesn't know how to do those things yet, regardless, just talking shit about it isn't helpful, the whole point of asking for criticism is to get other people to notice flaws that you don't, imagine if everyone was an elitist like you who goes "bah, this shoddy art is too INDECENT to even acknowledge, furthermore a scalding is in order!", instead of being a prick, bestow your knowledge upon others, and if you can't do that, don't just say it's an unspecified type of "bad" you won't elaborate on.
It's kind of sad how you actually have valid criticisms to give it, like that with the unclean lineart, which means you could have pointed that out, but you instead consciously made the decision to react in this manner. Maybe you should've just directed him to the posts about lineweight in this thread and told him to try harder on drawing toes? Sure would be more helpful than concluding it's too shitty for you to pay any attention to, and do you actually feel legit insulted someone could post art you personally consider subpar?
No.37478
>>37471
>He's clearly journeyman level, he probably doesn't know how to do those things yet
Erasing chicken scratches is only a matter of picking the eraser and patience, not advanced knowledge, same as erasing color smeared outside the lines, same as smoothing muddy color strokes. Not doing chicken scratches in the first place is a matter of practice.
It's not insulting because it's subpar, it's insulting because it shows laziness on his part. Tell me why one should spend time critically analyzing the work of someone which shows he doesn't even have the patience to polish his work before presenting it. Why would he have the patience to improve it?
No.37487
>>37478
Have you considered the fact that it was a WIP or sketch? Not every piece you make has to be refined, you just have to draw consistently so that you can eventually create refined material off that bat. There's a reason why we do rough material like gesture drawings to improve our figures and speed paintings to improve our rendering.
Again, you're missing the overall point. Critique isn't meant to only help that anon, it's meant to help you and everyone else who potentially has that issue. You're doing a disservice by being arbitrarily agitated by those issues that you deem minor. In the long run, it's not going to help you because you're not breaking down those issues to avoid them.
No.37489
>>37487
Sketches don't get colored and shaded.
Sketches don't get critiques.
Because they're sketches.
Who's to say that a flaw is due to it being unfinished or an actual flaw the artist overlooked?
Therefore, critiquing sketches is an exercise in futility, unless the artist warns beforehand that they're aware of the imperfections that are due to it being still a work in progress which are gonna be fixed down the line. Even then, you can ask for specific advice, not a general critique. You're just asking to be shot down otherwise.
I don't recall this being the case, right?
Even if it was, sorry, but I don't have the ability to read minds over the internet, I work with what I'm dealt with.
No.37496
>>37478
>things that are obvious to me are obvious to other people, wtf is theory of mind
>there is only one way to draw
Cease posting.
No.37546
>>37489
>I work with what I'm dealt with
You mean:
>I assume the worst so I have an excuse to be the biggest asshole possible, and when I get called out get hugely defensive and blame the guy I was picking on
No.37630
Can I request someone in this thread draw my O.C. ?
I don't have any money to get an actual commission but I want to have a picture I can show an artist as a reference when I do have money.
(Repost because I royally fucked up my images somehow.)
No.37641
>>37630
Before you get a rude reply, request thread is here: >>34971
Report your post so that you can request moderators to delete it.
No.37719
>>35493
i really want to see the rest of those drawings
they might be shitty, but i'm into cuckquean and one of them kinda looks like that
and also i support piracy
No.37852
look at this clusterfuck of a shading
No.37854
>>37852
Holy shit. It's got serious problems (the tree being a 2d cutout compared to the character and a general lack of connecting between the two) but damn is that a cool style. Also the mask is backwards.
No.37855
>>37852
The right leg seems to be bending backwards and I'm not sure how that left foot got there.
No.37925
>>37630
>Humanshit
WHY DID YOU EVEN APPLY?
>>37852
I...don't think legs work like that, Anon...
No.39582
I has dicc.
How do I stop sucking so much holy shit
also bump
No.39655
Draw Thread says this is the designated improvement thread?
How is this mouse chick's posing and anatomy? Also how would the boobs be drawn?
No.39657
>>39655
Dubs confirm its a qt but just looks like youre drawing very flat instead of working out the forms from drawing simple construction blobs.
I can tell what the pose is supposed to be but the biggest problem is that everything is kind of mushy with no real structure. Advice would be working on being able to draw forms that read as 3d first, then you can turn it into anything like a qt mouse. Also find some reference and try to deconstruct how it would look in simple 3d shapes.
No.39659
>>39582
lot better than most in the thread but i think your muddying up your values with too many diffferent shifts in shades, especially noticable on the face the shading is kind of all over the place. but the longer I look at it the more random the shading looks in general where it looks close but you can tell that something is off.
No.39660
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>39582
Long video but good for this sorta thing
jewtube changed its layout again and it's cancer.
No.39678
I'm starting to draw in digital, please be kind to me and my drawings. I also leave you a link to a multicultural discord, ask for red raccoon.
https://discord.gg/Wrt7Q3D
No.39695
>>39678
Why is he(?) shaped like a ping-pong paddle?
No.39716
>>39659
>muddying up your values with too many diffferent shifts in shades
It's the biggest issue I have. I know, but I have no idea how to solve it. I always end up having to maniacally paint gradients or be stuck with sharp value shifts all over the place.
Then I look at other work and see that it looks like they painted shadows/highlights/whatever with single fucking strokes yet they work. Of course they don't end up looking muddy, but fuck me how does that work.
>>39660
Thanks, didn't really learn anything new but it's always good to refresh some basic concepts.
I think my biggest problem is not figuring out what to do, but how to do it.
No.39771
>>39716
>It's the biggest issue I have. I know, but I have no idea how to solve it.
>I always end up having to maniacally paint gradients or be stuck with sharp value shifts all over the place.
soft brushes, mixerbrush or smudge. if youre a photoshop user. texture will come later on. probably wasnt the best video i could find for it but I see your issue being the soft falloff of light.
No.39773
>>39771
I do use the smudge and soft brushes, but if I overdo the smudge, it looks fake as fuck. And it still doesn't really solve the problem of how some paint shit with few strokes and you don't even notice it unless you focus your attention specifically.
Plus, low opacity brushes tend to create those lovely unwanted areas where the strokes overlap and increase/decrease the values where you didn't intend them to. Still better than using 100% opaque brushes but damn if it isn't a pain fixing them. Because paint over and now you have two new areas you have to fix, repeat ad infinitum.
My issue is with technique, really. And I find most infographic/tutorials don't ever mention a shred of technique. Just "Start with this, then work to have this other thing. How? Figure it out yourself, lol."
No.39774
>>39773
>transparent overlaps
Paint 100% opacity on a new layer, then set the new layer's opacity.
No.39777
>>39774
Uh, isn't that basically the same thing? I don't get it.
No.39778
>>39777
You won't get overlaps this way, because the brush is already 100%.
No.39781
>>39778
Oh so you mean like working with a few gradients at 100% on different layers then mixing them together?
Hmm, sure, it may work, but still, I can't shake the feeling that it might be just a crutch, I've always seen artists paint values directly on a single layer.
No.39782
>>39773
Alright anon, I dug into my personal tut collection for you, so I'll post a completely different technique for you to try out. its somewhat long so i had to break it into pieces its also not free so you cant find it on jewtube so I hope you get something out of it
No.39786
>>39785
after this video the tool tutorial breakdown for idiots who have never photoshops options, and the real technique begins.
No.39790
>>39789
end of long vid. i fucked upa little bit for breaking it up but theres the very first intro to the technique. since you asked for how a technique works you'll only find those sort of answers in PAID videos like this one.
No.39791
>>39790
thanks for your effort anon, I'll definitely try this out!
No.39959
>>39657
Alright I developed it a bit more. How's this?
No.39960
>>39959
Her arms and legs aren't casting any shadows on each other so it's hard to make out the form. Also her muzzle is off-center.
No.39963
>>39960
Please explain more. I don't understand.
No.39969
>>39959
You jumped to coloring too early, tbh you should have tried to fix areas up with redrawing them. It might have been more work but you would be happier with the end result and youd be improving faster, if you work on your mistakes. Clothing and detail goes over the form, so if your form is messed up the clothing will look like it too. You're too worried about the drawing looking clean rather than right, or having an interesting pose. il post some examples of how rough artists start with focusing on the idea first, execution later.
No.39971
>>39969
I don't know what areas to be fixed. Quoted post just said "things looked mushy" and I didn't know what that meant.
No.39972
>>39959
I want to judge it right, but what style are you aiming for?
No.39974
No.39979
>>39963
This is all the same color except for a smudge on the shins. It's meaningless when you zoom in; there's no depth. You need to have shadows under the limbs because they're on top of each other.
No.39980
>>39971
put simply the anatomy is what needs to be fixed. try looking for ref with someone sitting in that pose and draw with it as a guide, then take mental notes on how different the real thing was vs trying to come up with it in your head.
No.39981
>>39979
How would I go about improving on it?
>>39980
Aye aye.
No.39986
>>39981
Add shadows like you did with the hands.
No.39987
No.39988
>>39981
ambient occlusion.
No.39989
>>39971
the biggest problem i see is lack of understanding drawing perspective, the arms for instance would be foreshortened in this pose wrapped around the legs but because the perspective you drew is wrong it just looks crushed in length on the upper arms, and abnormally long on the lower parts of the arms. this has a flattening out effect, and the legs are also doing a similar flattening.
No.39991
>>39988
What's that?
>>39989
Got an example?
No.39999
>>39991
just check the art document in the OP, its what it was made for. lots and lots of advice for all sorts.
No.40022
>>39969
>that pic
Excuse me, what fandom do you think this is? ftfy.
No.40202
POOL'S CLOSED
Architect of the /fur/ artdoc here.
Because the BO here is cancer who reverted back to his controlling tendencies, I can't support this board anymore and so I'm closing access to the megaguide link in the OP.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Woa9Lv-_ji33ZeZH2wObqnu4S9RhRPDLMASEzTZmOz8/edit#
I've created various /fur/ oc for close to a year, but I wont be making any more. I stopped drawing Bill because it's a dishonest representation as a mascot and im an honest guy, Bill Katt is chill and Kemo is playful but this board is anything but that, so it's not appropriate. If I draw them again, it will be disassociated from /fur/ since I basically created them both... before I saw the ugly underbelly of the board. Like the other anon who created f8th and k8 who left for greener pastures, so too do I.
Having spent nearly a year watching the board from the inside, I can say its just pent up pretentious assholes. So the board can have the Bushy and n8 leftovers instead. I would be doing a new full painting for the ArtThreads OPs and celebrations like when I did the Christmas and New Years, but i wont be doing any of that anymore either.
Why?
Because there's nothing here to worth celebrating, not the anniversary and not the merger, theres just a constant repulsive elitist circlejerking attitude about /fur/ while everyone who put the board on the map is bitter and outcasted. I wanted this board to succeed but this board was a huge failure that was handed the front page and about a hundred users it didnt earn, used them and then discarded all of them for its own suffocating pursuit, effectively killing all the board activity and it's only in a comatose state now. It has a clean exterior with a festering interior, and the elitism of /fur/ vs /furry/ of treating /furry/ users as second class citizens with no rights? It never stopped and goes all the way to the top, the active mods hate /furry/ users and would rather hemorrhage user activity and burn everyone than find some common ground because they have an undeserved monopoly on a furry board for the front page. I used to be one of them but I wash my hands of it now.
No one's improved here since the ArtThreads began so I guess that was a failure too, but a good try. This is my last post in any of the art related threads. I did For anons looking for advice in a long while, potentially for good. To the anon from Art2.0 who hoped the threads would never change, and continue to have the best feedback you could find? Sorry that's probably over now, and this thread will just stagnate like the rest of the board. I had many more things to share but it looks like having bootlickers is more important than honesty, supporting reasons to come back to the board, and generating actual interest for new users.
Seeya, and good luck with your art adventures anons,
Except you Bell, you're a lazy halfassed artist who never finishes anything so you'll always suck.
No.40203
>>40022
kek thanks for the last laugh anon
No.40207
>>40202
>Like the other anon who created f8th and k8 who left for greener pastures, so too do I.
I'd sure like to know where these greener pastures supposedly are, because all I know about are barren wastelands.
No.40218
>>40207
IIRC F8th anon is on /kemono/ now.
No.40219
>>40202
boy do we love drama
No.40222
>>40202
I think you're unfairly hard on Bell. The purpose of those generals weren't to be controlling, but to increase board activity as we have a low userbase. I also don't see the elitism aimed at /furry/ users, I've only seen comments aimed about Puppysky by a single user for not protecting the board.
I'm willing to admit that I'm abrasive myself and I need to cool down. If going to different places makes you feel better, then I don't oppose you for it, but we'll still try to continue on.
No.40236
>>40202
It's obvious you're upset with the BO and the direction the board is heading, but that does not excuse you from derailing the art thread with drama. If you're going to vent then do it in the meta thread or go to greener pastures like you said you would.
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No.42393
Here's something I roughed out, was hoping I could get some pointers before I go further with it.
No.42492
Shitty anatomy anon back from the grave. Drew this on my phone. Think I'm getting there slowly. I hope
No.42539
>>42393
Something about her hand makes her tit look like it's sticking way out. Looks good otherwise, once you fix the face.
>>42492
Her right wrist is incredibly thin and she has virtually no torso. Also, what's with her hair going down between her eyes?
No.45682
Can we start up the theme threads again?
No.46979
No.46985
>>45682
i don't know how long it's been since you visited /fur/ but there are a total of zero active artists here right now. once a week, one random guy will appear and draw a single image or a handful of images and then disappear completely forever. any thread with an art focus goes down to page 7 and then get a "bump" reply from a retard that hasn't got the memo yet that there's no artists here and then it'll die or continue getting bumped with no content.
No.46990
>>46985
Artists still hang around here. I've been here and at /furry/ since early 2016. The issue lies in the fact that this place doesn't facilitate art at all. Here are the sources of inspiration:
<Board tans, of which only N8 K8 and F8h are even halfways decent
<Request thread, where you get to pick between Nickelodeon show requests or drawing someone's Animal Jam fursona
<CYOA threads which never end well
<Or anonymous hate or parody art which isn't even allowed here since anything slightly political gets shut down by Bell.
No new banners, this board still doesn't have a fucking spoiler image even for fucks sake. I save my art for Furaffinity and Inkbunny where I can make money and actually draw with purpose. I do request sketches here for warmups or the rare chance I see something interesting, but every day I am here shows me this is a place for shitposting, not art. And I prefer it that way, if people start waving their art dicks around then we just have a big circle jerk like FA where peoples opinions are judged by their body of work instead of their own merits. Salos (you) is a perfect example of, for instance, how Kayla Na or Jigglebones would be treated if they were forced to talk with just their shitty autistic opinions. And I prefer that. Its okay if a place isn't for art. I am more than happy to draw things for this board when I get the urge but I won't force drawings in with a crowbar just to give this place more art.
Rant over. Here is a request someone gave me on telegram so I am contributing. He has joints and shoulder pads because he's made from wood and is a synthetic tanuki golem made to help a rice farmer in ancient Japan. Just one of many requests that are way too cool to be seen anywhere near this board's request thread.
No.47032
>>45682
I'm mildly interested of doing that again.
No.47036
>>46990
So do the giant balls help with tilling the fields or is that just a cosmetic choice of the farmer's?
No.47062
>>46985
I do a lot, but I just don't post them
No.47077
>>46990
>I save my art for Furaffinity and Inkbunny where I can make money
Why didn't you just start with that, and save the "holier than thou" bullshit?
No.47298
>>36403
>not using corel painter
No Anon, you are the niggers.
No.47338
>>47062
guess you missed the part where i said active
No.47341
>>47338
You never said where :^)
No.47346
finished drawing this yesterday
I've never done posing characters so interwoven like this before, I'm happy with how it came out
No.47405
>>47346
Why the long face?
No.47430
>>47346
If you are who I think you are, then you've improved the last time I've seen you. I should head back the discord you administrate. RIP kemonolover though.
No.47533
did this one for some /v/ peeps.
No.47614
really enjoying this new brush.
No.47685
>>47405
the dog is based off a borzoi, who have long faces
>>47430
yeah, that's me. Komaru was insane though
No.47686
>>47614
The cat's nipples remind me of a peacoat with that coloring; if that was intentional, it's funny to me.
No.47698
>>47686
Not intentional but I can definitely see it.
No.47701
>>47698
Roll with it, it'd make for a cool character
No.47702
>>47701
I would if she were mine
she's a background character from Mighty Magisword.
No.47729
how in the fuck do you shade hair?
No.47787
>>47729
Treat hair as a 3D clumps, then use highlights on the location where the light source hits.
No.47794
>>47787
it looks like an autistic lump of clay
No.47814
>>47794
Then you probably need to add highlights to it. Not hair-type of highlights, just lighter patches of color in the direction of light.
I could probably do a quicky redline of it if you want.
No.47878
>>47814
>I could probably do a quicky redline of it if you want.
yes please senpai
No.47888
No.48467
>>48461
I find it hilarious that this is a thing
No.48541
>>47878
sorry for being late, here's a few quick examples:
For third ic related:
1. Paint the midtone over the shape
2. Paint the shadow
3. Paint the higher value
4. Paint the Highlight, don't for entirely white, just go for a lighter color than the higher value.
>>47888
nice trips, thanks
No.48549
>>48541
but how do I make it look aesthetic and not like wikihow?
No.48664
thinking about going full nezumi on the genitals.
No.48667
>>48664
Do it you absolute madman
No.48670
>>48664
well since we're both doing stuff for the SCub thread here's what I'm working on
No.48674
>>48670
Is that Winnie? Not enough of her out there! She looks good.
No.48676
>>48664
good stuff. keep an uncolored lineart version too for us, would ya?
No.48682
>>48676
yeh, I'm doing two drawings back and forth at the moment. I imagine both will be done tomorrow. I'll post the line art first once that's finished.
>>48670
noice
No.48686
>>48670
Most Winnie stuff tries too hard to keep her toony giant head, tiny body look. I like when artists even her out a bit.
No.48707
>>48682
F8th looks drunk.
>that's hot
No.48720
I'm not sure why I did this or where I'm going with it
No.48724
>>48682
Here's the lineart. Only thing I might add are some subtle bumps to the belly.
No.48726
>>48707
she's just dreamily staring at you anon. I may have to redo the linart on this one. I didn't make it nearly big enough for the POV thing I was going for. Still I may have to do that later tonight or tomorrow depending on when I get back today.
No.48728
could somebody draw something vanilla with this fluffy waifu?
No.48729
>>48728
Whoops, requested in the wrong thread
No.48951
>>48724
minor fix while I have the chance.
No.48964
another sketch I'm working on
No.48972
>>48964
You should give her bigger boobies worth suckling on, Anon.
No.48975
>>48964
Oh, and Anon.
Maybe these are also up your alley.
>>37800
>>47474
This thread needs more fat milfs.
No.49003
>>48972
yep, I plan on it. Just trying to play around with anatomy, form, and proportions at the moment.
No.49009
>>48964
What is that she's squatting over?
No.49010
No.49011
>>49010
Okay. It looked like one of those weird jap latrines.
No.49017
>>49011
nope, but I'll probably have to scrap the squatting pose altogether. Just isn't working for some reason.
No.49033
>>49017
If it's poses you need, I know just the type.
No.49038
>>49033
I appreciate it but I'm just having a "FUCKING LIPS" moment with these legs. I think I may have figured it out though.
wish I was faster at this.
No.49054
Something I was messing around with
No.49055
No.49056
No.49058
>>49056
Yeh it's wormwound :>
No.49059
>>49058
You're not Stigmata in disguise, right?
No.49062
>>49059
I wish, man. But I'm flattered that you think so
No.49065
>>49062
It was that Hare piece you did
No.49066
>>49065
Oh yeah? I saw he's got a sick hare too but it's all black. Maybe I'm actually stigs alter-ego...
No.49072
this vag is giving me a hard time.
No.49073
>>49038
Looking good so far Anon, but what are those other pictures you got there in that Paint Tool Sai layer?
You drawing more of the cheetah milf?
No.49074
>>49072
Dayum son, looking good. Got a question though:
>>49073
No.49075
>>49072
You know what?, give her some purple pubic hair.
No.49076
>>49074
nah, just those for now. I work with a ton of layers so it's easy to try a lot of things without fucking everything up. Probably going to do some painterly stuff for a bit so I can come back to this later with a set of fresh eyes and fix some mistakes I can't see now.
also, I can't paint to save my life so I'd like to work on that.
No.49085
>>49075
till I figure out what's going on with that one here's this version.
No.49086
>>49085
Puffy pussy lips are good too, Anon.
You gonna give her bigger boobies now?
No.49102
No.49106
>>49102
>has Bushy
>is good
smh fam tbh niBBa
No.49108
>>49096
Cute!
Did Bushy do the same for N8's birthday?
No.49116
>>49108
Does he have an official birth date?
No.49134
>>31323
You can ask me for examples if you like..
Pendroid.one@gmail.com
No.49135
>>49134
Pendroid.one @ gmail.com
No.49250
>>49085
I like the picture on the right, fat milfy women need more love too.
No.49300
>>49250
everyone needs love, anon.
No.49354
C'mon Anon.
We need more fat cheetah milf.
No.49364
>>49354
think of something lewd or cute and I'll sketch it up.
No.49373
>>49364
She giving soup to a sick anon.
No.49374
No.49375
>>49374
I was gonna go for her sitting on a dildo like this:
>>25458
But that works too.
No.49387
>>49373
>>49374
here's the rough line art before the proportional and anatomical fixes. I'm about to go to sleep but I should finish it sometime tomorrow.
>>49375
and I can probably do this real quick time granted.
No.49389
>>49387
Fucking ace, anon. You're an amazing asset to this board. Thank you.
No.49391
>>49387
Damn good work son.
No.49406
Just wrapped this piece up.
No.49408
>>49406
Cool style anon, keep doing what you do. You're pretty okay
No.49412
I'm using a decent Thinkpad with Krita to take to drawing with, but using the mouse is so unintuitive. I'm looking to get a Wacom medium sized tablet, but I wonder if I should just stick to the mouse and just get a hold of the basics first instead.
No.49413
>>49412
nah, you'll need a wacom tablet or something with a screen and pressure sensitivity. If not you're better off getting the basics down on pencil and paper. Make sure to read your loomis.
>>49389
>>49391
funny thing is I think we're making her way more vanilla than she was intended to be. She comes across as a bit of a slutty bitch in her official art, but I like stern woman with a heart of gold better.
No.49414
No.49417
>>49408
"pretty ok" is criticismian for "fucking trash"
No.49418
>>49417
This place is not a furaffinity, when people think something is fucking trash we call it fucking trash not "pretty ok".
No.49419
>>49406
You need to learn how to draw vaginas
No.49421
alright, I'm going to take a break from this one and work on the other. Might touch it up later and fix issues I see as I go.
No.49432
>>49429
wanted to fix something real quick
No.49433
>>49419
Roger, will put more time into vaginas.
No.49434
>>49419
It's fine as to the lines; it just lacks any sort of depth. Some shading to indicate the bulges of the outer labia would largely fix this.
No.49438
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>49433
>will put more time into vaginas
Go get 'em tiger.
No.49440
>>49421
>>49432
I need to see more pics of her.
No.49445
No.49556
Anon, if you get this, please draw this chubby unicorn milf too.
>>49552
No.49557
>>49556
This isn't a request thread boss. We have one of those.
No.49563
>>49557
Why is the request thread so dead?
No.49570
>>49563
evidently no one wants to draw anything anyone has requested
No.49578
>>49563
The couple of artists we have just don't seem to be drawn to it. You can get a perspective here from one of the artists: >>46990 who honestly is the only artist ITT I've ever seen do requests. Other than the milfy cheetah guy I guess.
No.49579
Why is autosage on this board 450 instead of 500?
No.49597
>>29351
>you're posting here
Well, that makes things interesting.
No.49598
>>49406
Cunnilingus is best sex. Peenus to vagina is only second best.
No.49600
>>49578
>Other than the milfy cheetah guy I guess
speaking of there seems to be radio silence when I finish my pics
I worry that the quality is disappointing people. If somebody sees an issue be vocal. I like to improve.
No.49605
>>49600
If you're the one drawing the cheetah milf, don't worry, you're doing fine. You ask me, just make her bigger.
Also, you think you could visit the request thread?
>>49559
No.49719
Is this thread stuck or something?
No.49997
No.50004
>>49997
Its got too many posts to bump now, yes. You can make another one if you want.
No.50007
>>50004
Someone needs to create a newer image for it first.