/fur/ - Furry

>>107311

>regressive

>new

I miss the good ol' days when words didn't mean their exact opposite.

>e621 is shit

Reminder it's owned by Varka and Bad Dragon

There's only 2 genders.

>>107316

yup, I know the site is owned by zoophiles.

There is a rape claim against kamo and he was exposed as a zoophile who posted on beastfourm, the now decesed athus was known to have recived material from the infamous dolphin sex ring, and varka was discovered to be an assosiate of Douglas Spink, who is a coke smuggler who ran a beastiality brothel, and varka's site herpy.net which now redirects to e621.net allowed pro zoo discussions.

>>107316

>>107328

an alternitve was needed long ago.

>>107328

So.... most furries think they're good people?

>>107328

>dolphin sex ring

That sounds like quite the story. Haven't heard it before, but all the dolphin porn supposedly floating around had to come from somewhere I suppose.

>>107328

Yo, this sounds funny as fuck, is there somewhere I can read more about this? And if there isn't could you please share more

>>107328

>>107334

>>107333

Not that anon.

I've seen a video of someone giving a dolphin in an aquarium/pool setting a blowjob/handjob. There's plain comic sans text in white that says FOR ATHUS.

Athus being Athus Nadorian, Narse's dead boyfriend. Narse and Varka and Athus were driving in an AZ city at one point and Narse was being a reckless driver. He got T-boned and Athus died as a result.

Varka is a Scottish faggot who does some fairly jewy things. He owns several sites, including e621, Bad Dragon, ToyPics, Herpy.net (which he kliled) and a few others. Herpy was supposedly shut down for having ties to his zoophilia

>>107344

The furry community is pretty small and connected, when you start looking at the big actors

>>107345

I mean that's inevitable with any little business clique. Let alone a business clique that's also got the opportunity to become a sex ring.

>>107350

Does the system change people or does it inevitably mold people into that? Makes for a gud cyberpunk setting tbh

>>107311

clown world

>>107311

While we're at it we really need to do something about the fact that the term "Hermaphrodite" has clear cut obvious and contradicting gender bias in it through the word 'her' being in it, which favors an inequality balance towards that of the feminine side when intersex beings are meant to be their own equal individual selves.

>>107363

>Censoring the names and avatars

What's in it for you to protect them?

>>107364

My friend took the screenshot, not me. I found it amusing enough to share.

>>107363

The best part of all of this: They're getting their PC terminology the wrong way around. The whole idea is that it's supposed to ~better respect these characters' gender identities as males and females rather than as boys and girls,~ but then they've actually changed it from using "gynomorphic male" to refer to cuntboys and "andromorphic female" to refer to dickgirls to using "andromorphic female" to refer to cuntboys and "gynomorphic male" to refer to dickgirls, so if this goes through then it'll now be required by rule on E621 *not* to respect those characters' male and female gender identities at all.

>>107366

They already said there's tag aliases, so if you type cuntboy, it will internally be converted to andromorph for searching and tagging

>>107311

It's only going to get worse from here. Any good alternatives? I don't see the point in uploading to a site that'll eventually become tumblr 2.0

>>107369

>Becomes Tumblr 2.0

>Removes porn

Good I want it to fucking die

>>107370

That's not what I meant but that'd be hilarious.

>>107371

I know, I just wanted to have hope for once

When you're just grateful that E621's administration hasn't discovered the existence of your gender tag on their site yet.

>>107377

>>107377

But anon, there's only two

>>107311

Roarey is a fucking cancer fuck but I commend you for actually using regressive left. A better label would be Identity Political Liberals however.

>pushing for the cuntboy/dickgirl tags to be removed

Cuntboy is a pretty necessary tag considering what its specifying, dickgirl is just another generic tag covered by a branch 'futa' term.

>>107370

>removes porn

So the site disappears?

>>107334

here is a vivisector thread with archives from before the owners destructive regressive meltdown

https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?topic=820.0 https://archive.fo/X0C9r https://archive.fo/Nz02v

and here's is a thread from a regressive leftist subreddit that mentions it: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/593qb7/only_through_the_extraordinary_mechanics_of_the/

other things I found:

https://archive.is/Qgu8n

nobd.info

I should note nobd.info is pretty regressive but there still is valuble information.

>>107396

off topic, but how is he cancer?

did he do anything stupid?

>>107409

>>107407

Okay also, given the shady nature of Varka's connections, what are the chances that the accident that killed Athus was an "accident"?

>>107412

Was I wrong to bring the contents of this thread to /v/?

>>107413

I was already browsing here.

>>107408

He's a foot-fetishist moron who likes to insert ideological statements in his "work" and whenever someone disagrees with him and provides an actual argument he gets mad and after spouting Ad Hominum, bans you.

>>107421

This is really only half-true. Furry is inherently NSFW, and even was even when people were pretending it was about liking the lion king.

Still, it is true that sexual stuff was less prevalent at one point. And sadly, it's growing less prevalent again as we enter a new dark age, brought upon us by Christian furries and other normalfags.

>>107427

>There are people

How can that be true when they're busy being subhuman?

I still don't like e621, but I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing

on the other hand, I don't get why so many words for intersex people are considered offensive

like I've literally never seen dickgirl used as a slur ever

I mean if people really are offended by these words, that's okay, but if we REALLY need new words for this, can't we pick something that isn't, y'know, literally Greek?

>>107370

cannot believe that people still labor under the idea this will happen. tumblr was a radical exception in a world that is becoming increasingly sexually open. e621 will advertise themselves with the cheese-grater image on the side of BART trains before it gets rid of porn. sex sells, and i don't need to remind you we live in a market economy.

>>107409

you can (knot) redo.

>owner small owner-run businesses that sound fuckin' awesome to work for?

i can think of no period in history i would not prefer to the present after parsing this line.

>>107425

>And sadly, it's growing less prevalent again as we enter a new dark age

this is definitely not the case. Christian furries haven't been a thing in any notable numbers since Bush was president, and even then it's more the small size of everything else that made pictures of lion jesus stand out. Why was he always a lion anyway? Lamb of god... maybe that kind of skimreading is why god has abandoned us.

Christianity isn't the main driving force behind censorship anyway, at this stage it's just misguidedness, not yet clearly seeing where the market is going. Tumblr did it as part of an ill-thought out attempt to broaden their userbase and reduce the amount of child porn posted.

>>107435

Society isnt becoming more sexually open, media and government propaganda is being louder. Ask anyone who isnt in their 20s and has a job (literally 80% of the population or more) and theyll think gays are "cute" and if they have a Twitter, it will be for sports.

Seriously log off the internet for a week and watch no news, if you think people are so open and sexual now. They aren't.

They were always like this, only they didn't have an audience, or a collective, without the internet back in those days.

>>107442

you forgot to exclude california tbh.

even if we accepted everything you requested there, the fact would be that the people with power and the upcoming generation are. the fact many areas still had dial up in 2005 would do nothing to disprove the mid-term inevitability of our current social media landscape where all TV news can do is talk about what people said on Twitter.

>>107454

Ah yes, cities. Cities, for some reason or another, breed left-leaning people and degeneracy. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but contrast it with how pretty much any other area outside of cities tends to have right-leaning people and communities.

>>107449

Nothing about sexuality has changed- only the government's power to mandate certain things and the public discussion of it. Gays were a thing in the 1700s- they had to keep quiet because the penalty if caught was execution. They've always been a thing, even back to the ancient Greek & Roman days before organized religions. Even THAT didn't stop shit, only tried to sweep it under the rug, and Islam was founded by a pedo that had a wife of only 9. Plus the Catholics... because all religion is a cult of control and power that is little more than a pretense.

It's different in places like Russia, India, Islamic countries, where gays are oppressed if not killed, women still oppressed, etc. The gays still exist- they just have to hide. It's 3 centuries behind over in those places. In developed places the prude sin power lost that power, in more fascist backwards areas the prudes kept power by force. The conservative paradise is one of backwards thinking and conservatives don't like being reminded they are backwards, hateful people. God abandoned nothing because god does not exist.

>>107429

Understand 2 things- people WANT to be offended and look for things to be offended by, and that most "trannies" online do nothing more that put on someone else's clothes and roleplay online for attention. They haven't had a single pill, no therapy, will never go near a knife.

Conservatives don't need go go to the trouble- they get offended by everything that they don't agree with, and if that fails, their own side will offend them somehow. It's natural to them to be disgusted by things. Liberals are offended by much less naturally, so if need be they manufacture reasons. I think there is some inherent human nature involved, like a need to be angry at something, because deep down we are a murderous, savage species and take away all social inhibitions, we would go on murder sprees without a second thought.

>goes through FA contest journal comments

>staff have already hidden all the whiny conservative comments

Shit. I would have loved to ID a bunch of them by name and blocked them.

>muh freedoms

"FUCK your feelings" works on you too.

>>107469

Imagine being this upset at people having different opinions

>>107469

Realizing that trans people are annoying doesn't make someone a conservative.

>>107471

that describes the entirety of humanity and basically every conflict to have ever occured in history, what is your point? you think you're above it all and never once in your life got influenced by someone not having your same opinion?

So, how long until those tags don't make them feel special anymore and the amount of labels required to placate them doubles again?

>>107484

They were complaining the day this thread was made.

>>107484

The thread on E621 is full of trans people talking about how this change actually hurts their cause and encourages people even more to not recognise their gender identities. So, like any virtue signal, it's not about actually helping people - and especially not the people it's being done in the name of.

>>107495

It's about trying to get both groups of you dumb faggots to quit bitching about stupid fucking tags on pictures you're just going to wank to and close tab anyway. If you had to put in fucking pickle_rick as a tag to find what you wanted to fap to you'd bitch but you'd still fucking do it because your dicks rule you. Find better hills to die on, all of you fags.

>>107496

l-lol?

>>107497

Yeah, you're right, they should just nuke dickgirl/cuntboy shit from orbit and tell you to suck their collective cocks.

>>107498

Anon, why are you like this all of a sudden...?

>>107499

Because you're all being dumb faggots about dumb shit. The pictures are there. Stop bitching about how DEMEANING it is or how changing something is GIVING IN to the SJW menace. It's a fucking tag. You can even still search with dickgirl/cuntboy. Did you dumb shits even read the original post in the thread, for fuck's sake? It's being aliased, not fucking purged.

e6 is a porn dump, not a fucking safe space for SJWs or edgelords. Just fucking shut up and fap like everyone else. Christ.

>>107502

Oh no you'll have to find a new porn dump whatever will you do - oh, right, Internet. Come the fuck on.

Porn is basically fucking post-scarcity. You will never run out of drawn dicks going into drawn holes. Ever. Like, god fucking damn, you don't go to e621 for the fucking community. You don't go to any furry site for the fucking community, including this one. Shut up and fap. You will never fucking run out of choices of things to tickle your prick to, and no fucking SJW or /pol/ack or whatever has a prayer of changing that.

>>107504

>You don't go to any furry site for the fucking community, including this one

Why are you posting this then?

>>107505

Because I'm trying to fap and I can hear the bitching in this thread from at least three threads down.

No seriously I don't give a single fuck about any one of you but people going full retard over shit that doesn't even matter annoys me. All that effort spent on bitching that could be spent on nearly anything fucking else. It's like watching someone use a goddamn Lamborghini as a golf cart. The fuck is with you people?

>>107506

>All that effort spent on bitching that could be spent on nearly anything fucking else

Why are you spending so much effort on bitching instead of on nearly anything fucking else?

>>107507

Unlike you dumb assholes I can multitask.

>>107508

I don't think you can.

>>107509

Sure I can. I'm fucking your mother as I type this post.

>>107326

There’s only two sexes. Gender is some made up bullshit that doesn’t exist so there are zero genders, or two genders, or ninety or however many you like.

>>107510

No, I'm fucking yours.

>>107512

Doubt it, she's dead.

Unless you're into that.

>>107513

Oh, you think she's really dead?

>>107514

I handled the whole cremation directive and scattered her ashes, so yeah.

Hey, if you've got a thing for that, I won't judge.

>>107511

I have to wonder if anyone is actually daft enough to genuinely believe this or if it’s all 100% bait to try and “trigger the libs.”

>>107516

He's retarded. Gender is something that generally pertains to thing like objects without sexes, words and language. It's not "made up", it's misapplied.

>>107515

Sorry, I was AFK while I had your mom in a mating press. I'm back now.

>>107518

What did you do, frantically scoop as much gray-looking dirt into a cup and stick your micropenis in? I suppose if that's what works for you.

Oh, your mom says hi and tells you to brush your teeth.

>>107519

Close enough.

Tell my mom not to worry - I've just brushed my teeth and I'm about to floss once I'm done chatting on the internet with my boyfriend.

>>107519

Only the weak need functional genitals to fuck.

>>107517

No, I’m talking about the social construct of gender as it was pulled out of John Money’s ass in 1955. The idea that there are boys and girls and not males and females.

>>107521

She showed me your pic. Is he as ugly as you are?

>>107522

Nice cope.

>>107524

John Money misused a term because he was retarded. The word is fine. Quit being a fucking illiterate.

>>107525

Well, I mean, I think you're pretty attractive. I get that it's possible to have impossibly high standards for yourself and others, though.

>>107525

Pretty sure he wasn't attacking the concept of grammatical gender.

>>107501

>changing something is GIVING IN to the SJW menace

The only reason it was changed was to appease trannies and sjw. It's literally giving in to them.

>>107525

It’s not a misapplied term. It’s a bullshit idea that has no scientific or biological basis that was made up to justify people with vaginas staying in the kitchen and people with penises putting on hats and going to work in factories.

The correct answer to labeling people by their chromosomes or genitals is not to add more labels, it’s to stop fucking labeling people and stop telling them how they should identify themselves.

>>107526

Bitch you know it.

>>107527

He should have fucking clarified.

>>107528

You better watch out, they're coming for your tittymonster pictures next! Get over yourself. There will always be more sites to find wank material on. Did you forget where you are?

>>107529

It is a misapplied term you fucking autist and you're giving words to the stupid fags that think John Money was right. Are you that fucking retarded? "HERE TAKE THIS WORD YOU TOUCHED IT I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE"

>>107530

Wait, let's step back for a second - you mean to say my mother is alive?

>>107531

Not anymore.

>>107530

>You better watch out, they're coming for your tittymonster pictures next! Get over yourself. There will always be more sites to find wank material on. Did you forget where you are?

Big flaw with that plan, it doesn't account for those crazies destroying said alternatives either through shitty laws and the same old infiltration. Eventually you have to draw a line in the sand, tell them to fuck of instead of running away every time.

>He should have fucking clarified.

Seemed obvious enough to me when the guy mentioned John Money.

>>107532

!!!!!

>>107530

I’m not saying the word is wrong. I’m saying the whole entire point is wrong. You only want people to be organized neatly into guys and girls because you’re a homophobe. You can’t handle the thought of flirting with someone in a bar and then finding out they have the same sex organs as you. You can’t imagine laughing it off and wishing them well just as you would if they hate your favorite band or are allergic to your pet or vote democrat. You are just so horrified that it would make you gay that you can’t tolerate people being themselves.

>>107533

If I were going to pick a bunch of people to stand against the SJW menace I know I'd pick a bunch of fags who do nothing but bitch on every site they ever go on.

>Seemed obvious enough to me when the guy mentioned John Money.

He should have specified that Money's use of the term was incorrect, and if he had done that he would have been unambiguously correct. But he didn't and he's a fucktard. Next.

>>107535

Yeah I don't really care about any of this but you're fucking retarded because I'm a registered dem who isn't choosy about what's between the legs and I still think trannies are straight-up batshit.

>>107537

Unless you have a medical reason or wish to procreate, you have no reason to concern yourself with someone else’s chromosomes or what their junk looks like.

And calling trannies crazy and not being choosy about genitalia are two things that do not go together.

>>107538

Trannies. Are. Crazy.

I like genitals, they're fun. What post-ops have between their legs are not genitals. And comorbidity with other serious mental illness is HUGE with trannies.

I have every reason to concern myself with someone's chromosomes or junk if they're hitting on me in a bar or whatever, trying to get in my pants. You tell me one thing and give me another I'm going to be upset. Be honest, I might still leave the option on the table if you don't look hideous and absolutely dangerously insane, we'll see. I owe you nothing, certainly not a roll in the hay. You want my attention, you play by my rules, tranny. Capisce?

>>107539

Wait, are you the cuck thread person?

>>107540

YES I AM THE MIGHTY CUCK THREAD PERSON FEAR ME.

No. Jesus fucking Christ. On an anonymous imageboard with no post IDs even and people still want to know who the fuck I am. I bet you want my number too, don't you?

LESS CULTURE WAR BULLSHIT, MORE STORIES ABOUT MONEY AND NARCISSISM

>>107535

> You only want people to be organized neatly into guys and girls because you’re a homophobe.

It's because when I want to beat my meat I don't want to add "-transqueer -lesbionic -burgersexual -genderliquid -nofatherfigure" to every god-damn search. There's two sexes, and for porn you can reasonably Herms, and dickgirls/cuntboys. Anything beyond that is splitting hairs and burying searches under a veritable blizzard of special snowflakes.

Also you're fucking retarded if you think it's in any way homophobic. Aside from the fact that it'd make searching for beefy guys even more difficult because you'd have to sift out the polyethylene transfats every time, it implies a fear. It's not a fear of trannies, it's disgust.

>>107535

>you're a homophobe

And?

Doesn't affect you in any meaningful way.

>>107555

WRONG, it made him bumflustered on the interent

>>107557

>WRONG, it made him bumflustered on the interent

Looking forward to the next few paragraphs of anger from that anon. Should be fun.

>>107553

>people should not have basic freedom of sexual identity for the sake of your convenience when browsing the internet for porn.

Y'know, maybe the onus should be on you and the websites you frequent for jollies, to modernize database technology; rather than to persecute someone who finds that something as simple as a pronoun adds to their quality of life literally every waking moment.

>>107575

If a pronoun "adds to your quality of life literally every waking moment" your priorities are fucked

If you were born female you will never be male. NEVER. It's not even just the chromosomes and the genitals. It's the fact that you have no frame of reference for being male. Your brain is not male. It is female but fucked up. There is ZERO reason your body would develop as female but your brain would be an exception.

The reverse applies as well for "mtf". YOU HAVE NO FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR WHAT IT MEANS TO BE FEMALE. You will put on women's clothes and develop breasts and coach your voice into something soft and feminine after swallowing pills which is something any man can do. You can't understand what it means to be the opposite sex any more than I can understand what it means to actually be a dog or cat.

And no, no one owes you a single fucking thing. Learn to cope with stupid random shit twiggewing your dysphowia, snowflake, because it's going to happen a lot until someone's brave enough to figure out a real solution to your issue that probably involves some sort of way to tweak the brain back into some semblance of normality.

>>107576

Letting someone with gender dysphoria be as close to their preferred gender is the correct thing to do. The problem with current situation is how fucking sensitive everyone is about this topic. This is one of the few "both sides" arguments I fully agree with.

>>107575

>Persecute

If all it takes to persecute you is to not use your absurd terminology, you're weak. If you aren't realizing what we're talking about let me spell it out real simple for you: It's a porn site

It doesn't, or at least shouldn't, care about your feelings and whether or not you offended that the slut taking thirteen inches of dick in every hole has the right pronouns. What should be the priority is that content is easy to find, tags make sense, and the user is given enough control over what content he'll see. If a tranny gets offended, then it's a small price to pay for a functioning site.

>>107369

https://8ch.net/fur/res/96331.html

http://vsdfdtkr5mh6y33p.onion/

its the gui and features are rather shit and it needs a some form of clearnet version but its where everyone is going to have to go once e621 finally goes under due to tyrannical admins

>>107593

Interesting. At least someone is trying to make a good alternative.

Since it hasn’t been said yet in that long-ass convo above, I’ll say it here. Two things. Just because gender is a social construct or “made up thing,” doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or isn’t inconsequential. Traffic lights and money are social constructs and you better respect them as real if you don’t want to run into a lot of problems. Second, if you’re saying there’s only two sexes, then you better be able to objectively define what those two sexes are, because sexes, much like everything in biology and even just the real world in general, is full of grey areas and can’t realistically be categorized by what’s neat and convenient for human minds.

>>107593

Do we know if the creator of this will bend the knee to trannys?

>>107596

>then you better be able to objectively define what those two sexes are, because sexes

It's actually pretty easy for the overwhelming majority of animal life on this planet, especially for vertebrates and mammals. There are some cases of some species having only one sex or more than two, but those are the exceptions.

Do let me know if some sentient alien species with 15 biological sexes decides to show up though. I kind of want to know how exactly that would work.

>>107598

Fungi have like 20,000 sexes, but that’s beside my main point that, if you’re going to classify everyone into one sex or another, than you at least need some third “other” category for people that don’t neatly fit into male or female. Either that or tell me at what point an intersex person is male, vs female.

>>107603

There are only two sexes and this is basic biology. There's no mystical third sex, and gender, as it's trying to be used here, is made up by a scientist that tortured two boys in the name of research.

There's males: they have penises and produce sperm.

There's females: they have vaginas and create ovum.

That's all there is. The fact that you have to cite fungus as an example of anything having something beyond that shows how far you're willing to reach to justify yourself. Any potential "Third" sex is a mistake in genetics and far to small a number to classify as its own sex. An "intersex" person is either a man pretending to be a female, or a female pretending to be a male. This is sometimes augmented by the introduction of hormones to more closely emulate the sex they're trying to mimic, but it doesn't change how things are. No amount of hormones or surgery will allow someone to change their reproduction function to anything other than "nonfunctional".

>>107603

>Fungi have like 20,000 sexes

Not part of the animal kingdom.

>intersex

Are deformed males/females. Fucked genetics and rare medical conditions don't constitute a "third sex". A male or female with some extra chromosomes is still just male/female.

Anyone with a gender studies degree should be gassed.

>>107606

>Any potential "Third" sex is a mistake in genetics and far to small a number to classify as its own sex

Ah okay so there it is then? People are either male, female, or “mistakes” to you?

>>107608

>deformed males/females

Okay so at what point is it a deformed male, as opposed to a deformed female, then?

>>107465

<It's almost like being in close contact with other people who have different lifestyles of your own forces you to not be a dickhead over petty differences.

<not be a dickhead over petty differences

>Hey, is she...

>UM SHITLORD, MY PRONOUNS ARE XIE/XIR, AND YOU BETTER RESPECT THAT OR YOU'LL BE ARRESTED FOR WORD RAPING ME

>>107311

If Gender is "a spectrum" then why do feminists bitch and gripe about a 'gender (male/female) wage gap'?

>/thread

>>107615

Sage goes in all fields

OP is a faggot

That poster is a faggot.

Being present year

Being that much of an idiot.

>/thread.

>>107618

That terminology started before people really began thinking about gender vs. sex. That argument is, you're correct, about sex.

>>107617

>UM SHITLORD, MY PRONOUNS ARE XIE/XIR, AND YOU BETTER RESPECT THAT OR YOU'LL BE ARRESTED FOR WORD RAPING ME

It never fails to amaze me. Yes, there are people who talk like that-- really! They're rarely actually trans. They're usually either your garden-variety troll, or SJW types who believe they're aiding the trans community by fighting like that.

Over 18 years working with GLBT advocacy groups, I've yet to meet anyone using pronouns other than he, she and they. And "did you just assume my gender?" isn't something trans people actually say; it's an internet thing, along with crap like "I identify as an attack helicopter." (What? Some people think trans folks are silly and stupid, so they make up parodies!?)

>>107621

It is hyperbolic, but there is a reality to it. For one, trannys should not be encouraged at all in the first place, men are men and women are women. They should conform to society, rather than expecting people to accept their delusions. So you can argue that they don't say specifically that they have some wacky pronouns, but at the end of the day if I called some MTF a guy, he would probably freak out over it.

Second off I know someone in real life who considers herself to be "non binary", and she does not like to be referred to as a women.

The internet memes may be hyperbolic, but they have real roots both from people on the internet and in real life.

>>107623

Refusing to conform to society one hundred percent is one thing even trannies get mostly right. Your society is shit. Just because you've loved to learn rolling around in it and putting it in your mouth doesn't mean it isn't shit.

>>107624

Learned to love. God fucking dammit, gin. Stop that.

>>107615

>There's no one "deformation", you rule it out on a case by case basis. If the individual's otherwise a male, but starts developing breasts, they're a deformed male. If they're otherwise female, but have altered bone structure, muscle mass, and high levels of testosterone, they're a deformed female, and so on.

If you mean things like pic related, then it's a deformed female, as a vagina was already developed/developing before the mutation took place.

Okay first off how do you define “otherwise a male?” And “a vagina already/developed/developing before the mutation took place?” What does that mean? At what point on the scale there has a vagina “already/developed/developing?”

>>107597

even if he did it would be worth it for a booru that finally doesnt give a fuck about dmca or spastic artists demanding takedowns. not that there would be any reason to do so anyway, given that if you can get away with piracy you can probably get away with using the wrong pronouns

>>107636

>Okay first off how do you define “otherwise a male?”

Intact male reproductive system, bone structure, and muscle mass.

>And “a vagina already/developed/developing before the mutation took place?” What does that mean? At what point on the scale there has a vagina “already/developed/developing?”

If, barring the pseudo penis, there's no external sex organs. Testis aren't going to get sucked back into the body and/or become "ovaries" if it were a male that began to develop into a female/female sex organs, or more accurately, regress into having said organs.

>>107639

>Intact male reproductive system, bone structure, and muscle mass.

How do you define those? What makes a reproductive system definitively male and “intact?” What makes a bone structure or muscle mass definitively male?

>If, barring the pseudo penis, there's no external sex organs.

How do you define the difference between a penis and a “pseudo penis?”

>>107643

Not him, but I'm pretty sure this eventually just going to be you asking what the definition of "real" or "life" even though you know perfectly well what they are.

Oh look another /fur/ thread devolves into autism.

I'm no statistician or anything but I'm pretty sure this is part of a pattern.

>>107649

>thicker bones, broad shoulders, smaller pelvis, more muscle mass, a more "bulky" frame, etc.

Okay sure, but where do you draw the line between a “‘male” skeleton and a “female” skeleton, etc. Exactly how thick do the bones have to be for it to be male? How broad the shoulders, how small the pelvis, how much more muscle mass? If male and female are so easily and rigidly defined based on things like muscle mass and bone structure, as you put it, then tell me exactly what numbers, what criteria you use to draw the exact line between male and female in those regards.

>Pic 3, penis, most of pic 4, pseudo penis. One's functional, properly developed, and serves it's biological purpose, the other's a malformed growth/birth defect that doesn't.

Okay so let me make sure I understand you right, then. So anything between a fully-differentiated labia, vagina, etc. and minor hypospadias is female, while only the most typical, fully-formed and functional penis is male?

>Do I need to conduct another lesson in biology 100, or are you done denying science to suit your feelings?

That’s funny, I don’t recall you ever conducting a “biology 100.” You use pictures that clearly illustrate a spectrum between male and female external genitalia, yet you still cling to this idea that everyone can fit neatly into two categories, based on some objective criteria that you’ve still yet to rigidly define.

>>107651

>You use pictures that clearly illustrate a spectrum between male and female external genitalia, yet you still cling to this idea that everyone can fit neatly into two categories, based on some objective criteria that you’ve still yet to rigidly define.

Not him but what part of "mutation" is so hard to understand? It's not a third sex, it's basically a birth defect.

>>107652

But if it’s not a third sex then that means it fits into either male or female, then you have to define which it fits into.

>>107654

It's a mutation. Is that really so hard to understand or do you really need to cling to the notion that you can somehow become something other than male or female.

You can't, by the way.

>>107651

Okay sure, but where do you draw the line between a “‘male” skeleton and a “female” skeleton, etc.

I... just explained and displayed that. Humans don't come out of a copy machine, every person's proportions aren't the same, but on average, males have said traits, while females don't. Yes, there's overlap/opposites on occasion, but only in one or a few areas, not the entire thing.

>Okay so let me make sure I understand you right, then. So anything between a fully-differentiated labia, vagina, etc. and minor hypospadias is female, while only the most typical, fully-formed and functional penis is male.

I'm guessing you overlooked the part where I said "working testis" AND penis. And while I admit I was vague in my wording, I did say "most of pic 4", not all of it. Hypospadias is a malformed/underdeveloped penis, aka a male (testis are still present) with a birth defect due to hormone issues during development.

>That’s funny, I don’t recall you ever conducting a “biology 100.” You use pictures that clearly illustrate a spectrum between male and female external genitalia, yet you still cling to this idea that everyone can fit neatly into two categories, based on some objective criteria that you’ve still yet to rigidly define.

It's basic fact, just because you're uncomfortable with your body doesn't mean basic science is false.

Humans have two sexes, solely for reproduction, all malformations/deviations are just mutations of the two. So unless you have proof of an "intersex" individual functioning in a way similar to a hermaphrodite, able to freely switch between male or female sexual reproductive roles, your theory is a pipe dream.

>>107656

Requiring that someone have a defined reproductive role is just backwards bigot talk, and besides that, just shows how we're more like animals than you think ...

>>107665

>All those typos

>You don't get to choose what a word means when it OFFENDS people

>By the way I'm offended!

>>107667

But if TWYS is a rule, how would you know the character is trans unless they have a fucking knife beside their axewound?

>>107668

It doesn't matter. They're just chimping out because they want to fuck up tagging in general to cater to themselves

>>107668

The admins made a point multiple times in that thread that you literally can't and that trying to make trans specific tags (aside from "visibly_trans", which if you're gonna have your artwork have scars and mutilated parts to get the point across, fair enough I guess) is retarded for that very reason.

They do encourage putting that stuff in the description however, but that doesn't seem to be good enough for most of them.

>>107665

>More "t-trap is transphobic" nonsense

>>107667

>How dare you not want to see "chicks" with dicks when you look for females

It's more annoying than anything because these loud faggots are the ones getting their way. We need another good furry booru so this one can burn.

>>107667

>weirdoslam

I literally follow this dude on Instagram. He's a self-appointed tucute.

>>107694

They can believe whatever they want. Its when they start trying to drag others into the delusion that it becomes a problem. Keep your crazy to yourself and stop making my porn sites more of a hassle to navigate.

>>107694

Because the very notion of gender (as it applies today) was bullshit to begin with. See >>107524 and generally the history of how the term came to it's modern usage.

>>107648

your butthurt is literally half of these so you're providing the bulk of the autism at this point really

>>107708

no u fgt

>>107655

Okay but is it a mutated male or a mutated female? You can’t just say “it’s a mutation” to ignore the fact that it doesn’t fit cleanly into either of your two categories.

>>107656

>I... just explained and displayed that. Humans don't come out of a copy machine, every person's proportions aren't the same, but on average, males have said traits, while females don't. Yes, there's overlap/opposites on occasion, but only in one or a few areas, not the entire thing.

So then there is no clear definition of a male or female skeleton or muscle mass or whatever else? Just “usually male” skeleton? Or “usually male” muscle mass?

>I'm guessing you overlooked the part where I said "working testis" AND penis

So if someone doesn’t have working testes and a penis, then they’re female? Even if they don’t have working ovaries and a fully formed vagina either? What about someone who has testes and a penis, but is infertile? Then their testes aren’t “working,” right? So that would be female instead of male?

>>107701

Money’s bullshit, too. Doesn’t mean you get to just ignore it before we actually properly dismantle the concept.

>>107710

Depends on the subject in question. Sometimes it looks like a guy with some shitty tits and a non-functioning vagina. Sometimes a girl with a dick that doesn't work. Again true hermaphrodites are a lot rarer than porn would have you believe and even then having both sets of genitals do what they're supposed to is rare among that rare section. Either way it's not a third sex, in the same way having an extra toe doesn't make you a different species.

>>107713

But you’re claiming that there are objectively two sexes, and that every single human being can fit into one of those two, right? So that means you should be able to objectively categorize those with “mutations” into those two sexes as well. So where do you draw the line between male and female? Considering external genitals, muscle mass, bone structure, hormones, chromosomes, etc. can all be “mutated” or whatever to be somewhere in the middle, rather than clearly masculine or clearly feminine, how do you draw the line? At what point is it a “mutated male,” as opposed to a “mutated female?”

>>107725

Yes that's what I'm saying because there's no third sex. There's mutations, but what it's mutated from depends on what we're looking at. It's all still mutations of one of two sexes and if you're going to demand anything more specific then it requires looking at actual subjects because until then "mutated male/female" is the category.

But not a sex.

>>107711

The difference here is no one's claiming money is a naturally occurring phenomena, people do claim 'gender' has some basis in physical biological reality, even if at best it's neurological. Which it isn't, because 'gender' as a concept barely has a consensus as to what the bloody hell it is. MAYBE it's something like "Being physically male makes you predispositioned to liking G.I. Joe and manly things / being physically female means you like Barbie and other girly things", which is A grade bullshit as peoples personalities and interests AREN'T inherently dictated by what sex they are, which is pretty ironic given the push for non-conformity to such things the whole alphabet lot seem to strive for.

>>107710

We have evolved to be a sexually dimorphic species. Differentiation between the two sexes is affected primarily by the presence or lack of a Y chromosome, resulting in builds characteristic of a standard XX or XY model of sex development (males are more physically adept, females have stronger immune systems, etc). Anyone with a Y chromosome is male, 100% of the time. Anyone without a Y chromosome is female, 100% of the time. Various mutations can occur that cause sexual development disorders, resulting in intersex conditions which cause abnormalities of standard sex characteristics. These individuals are still either intersex males or intersex females based on the Y chromosome, no matter how they may appear or identify. They have medical disorders due to developmental anomalies. Biologically speaking it's rather black and white despite its social complexity.

>>107694

>>107711

Money is a tangible tool for trading goods and services. Gender is not a thing; there is nothing concrete suggesting that someone is "male-minded" or "female-minded" or anything else. At best "gender" it is just a method of describing personality, and a shitty method at that. At worst "gender" has disturbing connotations of mandated conformity within society... what makes someone any one "gender"? Do only girls love dollies and pretty dresses and only boys like trucks and guns? Of course not. Who is the arbiter of deciding the qualia of what a "gender" is? In the context of reality nonbinary and genderfluid descriptors don't even begin to make sense- what do they actually mean? Feeling physically dysphoric doesn't make sense either for the same reasons but at least it is understandable for someone to want a different body. I want to actually become an anthropomorphic wolf so I can't fault trans people for "actually" transitioning but it's all just fantasy. I'll call a MtF a woman and a FtM a man for the same reason... it's harmlessly indulgent and won't actually result in a breakdown of society any moreso than me wandering around in a fursuit would. It's when regressives start calling people transphobic for not sleeping with someone of a sex they're not attracted to- that's when the problems and confusion arise.

>>107737

>At worst "gender" has disturbing connotations of mandated conformity within society... what makes someone any one "gender"? Do only girls love dollies and pretty dresses and only boys like trucks and guns? Of course not. Who is the arbiter of deciding the qualia of what a "gender" is?

Society is the arbiter. That’s why it’s called a “social construct.” Money is a social construct as well. These piece stuff of paper have no real, objective value, only the value that society as a whole agrees upon. Gender to me is the way society categorize someone people based on certain traits, especially their sex, and expects them to act a certain way/do certain things based on that. Like you said, girls with dolls, boys with guns, etc. And I think that’s BS, but I also acknowledge that pretending it doesn’t exist isn’t going to fix anything, like pretending money doesn’t exist won’t change the fact that it has real effects on us and society. I think we should get rid of gender as a concept altogether, but I don’t think ignoring what society does with gender today will help.

>>107728

You’re still ignoring my main question. Where do you draw the line between mutated male and mutated female?

>>107737

So you say we base it on the presence of the Y chromosome alone? That works, I suppose, but then I don’t see how it’s in any way a useful categorization of people—it’s not like everyone knows what their DNA is like, so you end up just making assumptions based on other, more detectable factors.

>>107740

I gave you the answer, you just refuse to accept it because it doesn't prove you right: the line depends on a case-by-case basis. I'm going to cut to the point of what I've been trying to hammer into that pozzed skull: there are only two sexes.

>>107738

>Gender to me is the way society categorize someone people based on certain traits, especially their sex, and expects them to act a certain way/do certain things based on that.

The thing that triggered the whole 69 genders clusterfuck is the fact that the vocal minority doesn't realize that nobody gives anyone shit for not conforming to their gender stereotype. Yes, most "expect" it, but those who don't fully conform actually have a higher chance of being seen in a better light than those who do, since it indicates self-awareness, self-determination and developed critical thinking. Nobody will try to crucify anyone for not confoming to a gender stereotype. Those who do unironically try are met with indifference. Nobody will waste their time trying to talk some sense into some bitter old fart complaining about gender roles.

But the genderfluid sjw crowd misinterprets the indifference as silent approval. And, they erroneously feel pressured into conforming to the stereotypes because they are, at heart, a bunch of pathetic autistic losers who are incapable of self-determination and let their own lives be controlled by what they think people think of them. This cognitive dissonance needs an outlet to be vented to, hence the dyed-hair vocal minority. The weirder and louder they are, the more they "feel empowered against the system" (ironically having the opposite effect of being seen in a positive light), while in reality nobody ever gave a single fuck.

>>107741

>case-by-case basis

According to who? By what metric? You haven’t answered the question at all; all you’re saying here is that you can’t give me an objective metric by which I can definitively categorize every “mutated” person as either male or female.

>>107743

Maybe that is the case now, but I kind of doubt it. I’ve seen in recent studies and heard from people my age that parents police what their children do based on gender. Granted, it’s more of an issue in more “traditional” parts of the US, but it’s still an issue. Mainstream media as well, hasn’t exactly portrayed more feminine men, for instance, in a positive light, and often men are outright discouraged from/made fun of for their femininity in shows like the Big Bang Theory (shit show, but it is popular), for example.

Maybe gender policing isn’t such a big issue today, but current studies and media seem inconclusive at best, and at worst, show that gender is still very much a real thing in our society, with real effects.

>>107748

Because each mutation is a bit different. Just like you can't treat every disease the same way, you can't judge every mutation the same way. It's really simple and you're being bullheaded to force the answer you want to hear. You want a definitive answer then I need more detail than a "what if" on a purposely vague scenario. The answer, regardless, won't change that there are only two sexes.

>>107749

>It's really simple and you're being bullheaded to force the answer you want to hear

You being unable to provide an answer doesn’t mean I’m trying to “force the answer you want to hear.” You cant give me a rigid criteria by which to categorize each of those borderline cases because it doesn’t exist. Sex exists along a spectrum, and there’s no objective way to define someone as definitively male or definitively female, at least not when they fall into those “mutation” cases.

>>107752

It's not that I can't provide an answer it's that you refuse to accept the one given because it doesn't suit your narrative. There's two sexes, determined by genetics. How is that not the most obvious thing? The supposed "intersex" is a mutation since it's not a sex in and of itself but a birth defect affecting one of the other two.

Look if I have to simplify it any more than that I can't help you because I'm not an elementary school teacher.

>>107759

How is it a "condition"? It's identity! WHO doesn't consider it a mental illness

>>107761

People who are scared of/angry at the "stigma", "mental illness" carries, so they changed it to make themselves feel better.

>>107757

So people with the mutation are just “neither” male or female I guess? They’re just sex-less, since they don’t fit into either male or female, and there is no third sex?

>>107763

No, they're male or female, but one with a mutation. You're going out of your way to deny the obvious now. Just because their junk doesn't work, doesn't mean the "blueprint" wasn't always there. It's why all these poor bastards that got talked into lopping off their genitals will never be women

>>107766

If they got help, rather than try to get acceptance and enforced tolerance things might be different. Sometimes the solution isn't to pretend a problem doesn't exist or that it's "fine", but rather to go seek help. From professionals, not some blog on tumblr.

>>107766

Only 41%?!

The suicide rates for trannies should be 75-90%.

>>107764

Then you need to explain how someone with a “mutation” is classified as either male or female. What good is categories like that if you can’t even define the categories?

>>107775

It always was an archive site. They just got soft and cucky.

>>107776

>>107776

Read the thread, moron. Or take a biology lesson in school. It's been explained enough times already and now everyone's tired of explaining it. If it hasn't sunk in already I recommend you become a statistic, as referenced >>107766 so that the world is a slightly better place.

>>107784

I did read the thread idiot. I heard shit like “muscle mass” and “bone structure” but didn’t get any clear numbers of what level it’s male vs female. The best I saw was whether or not someone has a Y chromosome, and I already gave my criticism for that metric. Either face it that nature isn’t always so easily boxed in by your manmade categories, or give me a clear criteria for differentiating between male and female.

>>107787

Quite the successful troll. Only furfags would be so dumb as to take the idea that anyone believes in "gender spectrum" nonsense so seriously.

>>107790

>only furfags

You haven't been on a college campus lately have you?

>>107805

>Can't refute argument

>Resorts to calling people gay

>>107805

>Can't even prove there's a third sex

>Needs to throw a twelve-hour tantrum over a basic biological fact.

>>107807

>Resorting to hateful biofacts

Oof yikes

>>107813

Of course it's not a PORN SITE anon, it's a community art site :^)

>The old terms will also not be invalidated

Whatever, my blacklist will work fine, I won't even have to add the new tags.

>>107790

Mainstream science takes it seriously and believes in it. Psychologists distinguish between gender dysphoria and gender nonconformity.

Maybe it’s real and you’re just having trouble coming to grips with the world’s acceptance of it.

>>107857

Nah, the medical community is getting its arm twisted into accepting it or face having 'bigot' and 'transphobic' thrown at them, or outright having individuals removed who question the narrative, even when it's because of genuine medical concern. Assuming we're only talking about the neutral parties and not the lot who are just as bad as the people causing the arm twisting in the field despite supposedly actually having medical degrees.

This is a long read, but there's a part in here that covers the bullshit in the medical field due to the whole trans movement: https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Every time I see one of my "fans" going off on some right-wing tangent about how they're being actively oppressed by things that they don't like merely existing, I wish the furry art sites would stop being lazy and give us a kick watcher feature.

If someone wants to cry, I think we should be allowed to give them a valid reason instead of forcing them to make up reasons.

>>107858

>muh questionable biased "news" source is what you should rely on as fact

Why not link Breitbart so we know to ignore you?

Every time some "I hear the voice of god" asshole calls trangendered people" mentally ill", I can only reply back with "you hear voices in your head telling you what to do and who to hate. That is also a mental illness". There is 0 proof that the Christian god, nor any gods, spirits, deities, ghosts, whatever exist and there never will be. Grainy poor-quality VHS security camera footage is not proof. Why do they never show themselves on a 4K camera recording? Stop pretending you are mentally stable because you hear random voices telling you to oppress people.

>>107862

>Bringing god and religion into it

Welp, you're retarded

>>107861

It wasn't a ""news"" source though, it was a lengthy investigation someone did of where money was flowing with all the alphabet movement groups and how pharmaceutical corporations were/are manipulating the very cultural understanding of male / female over the past 20+ years through funding those groups to sell menopause drugs (when it came to light how fucking dangerous they are, they were virtually blacklisted) to a new audience off-label to make enormous sums of money when the people 'transitioning' have to take them for the rest of their lives.

Like I said, it's a long read, but it's worth it if for nothing else it's the only explanation of "transgender culture" that makes any god damn sense.

Also,

>Breitbart

Literally who?

>>107862

What the hell does religion have to do with any of this? Pretty sure most of the anons you're responding to are some flavor of atheist.

>>107412

>always shoving their interests everywhere

>posting pictures and porn

>using avatars to display their interests loudly

so you mean exactly what weebs did but when hentai masturbators had a mirror held up to them they couldn't help but flip shit is what you mean?

Cloaca still gets stagged ambiguous.

>>107874

Humans don't have those, so it's irrelevant. But i'll humor you, even with cloacas (with the exception of hermaphrodites), there's still a distinct male and female in how their reproductive system operates, as well as physical appearance.

>>107875

Not him, but we're talking about e621, a humanoid animal porn art archival site, so with all the non humans in question, it's pretty relevant. And yes the reproductive systems are obviously different (if they weren't we'd be talking about only asexually reproducing species) we're worried about what's visible on the outside, because "Tag what you see". Which for pretty much all artists drawing a cloaca, there is zero difference. Even in real life, differences are gonna be borderline non existent, certainly for the casual observer.

>>107876

"Porn" was supposed to have a line through it, don't know why it doesn't have one.

>>107876

In hindsight I see OP meant to type "tagged" and not "stagged", my bad.

>>107891

Because most con going weebs are actually less entrenched in their respective interest than furries. Your average /a/ poster thinks cons are awful (unless it's in japan, like comiket) and full of normalfags, whereas people here tend to enjoy cons and only people extremely dedicated to being a furry, typically in an expensive fursuit, will show up.

>>107864

Anon, something you have to realize about the very basis of today's' progressive movements is that they are all started as a form of rebellion. NOW, keep in mind, this isn't rebellion against potentially harmful traditions or seeking equality in society.

They are ALL based on a form of teenage rebellion with a vastly inflated version of "Fuck you, dad, I'm doing whatever I want."

Keep in mind that homosexuality, and everything that comes with it, has NEVER been considered in acceptable in ANY culture on this planet (With the only "exceptions" probably being the later years of the Roman empire, the modern Western world, and the harem girls finding various ways to entertain themselves while their husband was out because all the other men around them were eunuchs). And, the only continents that savagely adopted Christianity was Europe. Prior to the Europeans coming West to American, you had the American Indians and their homosexuals who were referred to as "bardache" (Now called "twospirit" to be more politically correct), and they were seen as failed men, the lowest members of the tribe, and passed around as prostitutes. In Central and South America, a similar occurrence happened, except they outlawed those individuals and their actions. Talking about the other religions of the Middle East, you also have the Hebrew religion and the Muslim religion, which also have laws in place against faggotry (With the punishment being death). Over in Asia, in the original Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, and Confucian teachings, homosexuality is seen as a "sin". And, over in Africa, even to this day, the entire continent is almost universally intolerant or even outlaws homosexuality. Now, before some smartass pulls up that Wikipedia article going, "Look, homosexuality did happen in ancient times," I want you to take a step and look at this objectively. Drugs are almost universally outlawed and portrayed in the most negative light possible in all of the Western and developed world. Now, with that being said, is illegal drug use still taking place and being documented? Or, let's take another example, slavery. That is also illegal and socially unacceptable, but has that stopped companies from having their products produced in China via slave labor, and there being documentation that it is taking place? Just because people do something and "get away with it", that doesn't mean it is seen as an acceptable action in society's eyes or the law's. Hell, even in the "faggot infested" Roman empire, Nero did everything he could to disguise Sporus as a woman, and was willing to give up the empire to anyone that could turn the guy into a literal woman. Actually thinking about that, it seems like a contradiction to say that "homosexuality was accepted in Rome" if the Roman emperor, himself, still wanted a woman over a man. The only people who try to bring "religion" into the argument are the braindead baizuo who go on and on about the "evils of Christianity", and nothing else. For some reason, something happened in their lives, I don't know what, and they decide to change their entire attitude and go on about this big tirade about how "God fucking sucks", and then spend the rest of their lives screaming up to the high heavens about how much they hate "religion" and they're going to prove that "science" is supreme. But, the thing is, they don't hate religion. If they did, they'd also attack Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, paganism, etc. Except, they don't. They just attack Christianity.

Now, if you don't believe in Christianity, as in genuinely don't believe it (You don't see the world the same way I do), I have zero problems with you people. WHY? Because your life led you down a path that gave you a reason to take different approach in looking at the way the universe is. As another person appropriately put it, you can't choose your religion because religions are not like buying a car. You can't pick and choose the aspects of the belief that you like and don't like. You have to take it all or none at all. And, if you try to alter the religion in a way that "suits your feelings", then you're a heretic and deserve to rightly be despised by all. The religious beliefs that you practice in your life come as a result of living your life and analyzing how this aligns up with "what is believed to be true". And, coming back to the original point, whether for cultural or evolutionary or religious reasons, homosexual has never been seen as acceptable anywhere in the globe (Despite whether or not it did happen). It isn't "just" Christianity that takes this stance.

It's an almost universally agreed upon conclusion.

>>107901

>Keep in mind that homosexuality, and everything that comes with it, has NEVER been considered in acceptable in ANY culture on this planet

Ancient Greeks, you retard. If you weren't bisexual in Ancient Greece, you were mocked.

>>107900

I don't fully agree. A lot of furries I know consider cons to be for normalfags, too, and consider the most dedicated furries to be those who use MUCKs and IRC.

>>107902

http://archive.fo/2UGPM

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece - One Big Lie?

>Were the Ancient Greeks Gay-Friendly After All?

<In order to understand how the ancient Greeks viewed sexuality, one has to investigate history with a fair mind. A historian has to control his personal beliefs and sexual preference when he’s conducting historical research. More importantly, the available historical sources that clearly demonstrate the beliefs of a certain culture should never be underestimated or ignored simply because they are not in agreement with our modern-day beliefs and practices.

<Dover, for example, wrote a book 40 years ago basing his theories on a few vase painting artifacts from the thousands that have been found throughout the years. Imagine if our descendants judged our culture and society from a Gangsta Rapper’s album cover or a pornographic DVD in a thousand years from now. Would that represent the billions of people today? On the other hand, there are available sources – which Dover and Wilde of course ignored – that give us a clear idea of how the majority of the ancient Greeks felt about romance and sex.

<The plot of the famous play Lysistrata by Aristophanes is one of the many examples. In this play, Athenian women choose to withold sex from their husbands in order to compel them to cease war with Sparta. If homosexuality was so widely practised in Athens, such a strategy would be ineffective as they could turn to each other to satisify their desires. But what occurred was that the men gave in quickly and stopped their war because they could not withstand this compulsory abstinence.

<Also it is reported by Persian and Indian historians that the vast majority of Alexander the Great’s men wanted to return back home because they missed their women. Alexander married Roxane in an attempt to encourage them to mix with local women, but most of them not only weren’t gay but had a strong preference for Greek women. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of similar examples one can use to counter the misrepresentation of homosexuality in ancient Greece.

<The Greek attitude to same-sex attraction was not nearly as permissive or free as many have assumed. Investigating the available historical sources that refer to same-sex “romance” amongst the ancient Greeks will help anyone to conclude that there is a huge difference between the actual facts and nostalgia of a desired utopia that never existed. Most of all, it is really dangerous and unethical to fail to differentiate the two.

>>107929

So, you want future generations thinking that we idealized nigger speak over Blondie? Or thinking that we idealized NTR over wholesome vanilla porn?

>>107999

Pretty much. There's some amount of people genuinely pushing for things because they drank the koolaid, and some amount of convenient parallelism with otherwise unrelated entities feeding into each other, but on the whole a large amount of the momentum came from pharmaceutical companies wanting more money to fill their bottom line, playing the long game to do so yes. It's a shame that even with two independent entities looking into it and coming to virtually the same conclusion (to the point people were claiming plagiarism in the comments), this will do nothing for the masses eating this shit up, prematurely killing people along the way with fucked up hormone imbalances in the process.

everyone in this thread takes themselves so seriously arguing about degeneracy and medicine, projecting this image of being some kind of serious mature individual. then you realise they're STEM students or NEETs under the age of 25 who jack it to badly drawn dogs.

>>108047

Nah, I jack it to pokemon and anime furries.

>>108049

most pokemon are dogs when drawn by furries because furries can only draw dogs

voltorb is an exception

shut up you fucking retard the tags in e621 are already overlycomplex and too specific for this to matter in the single fucking slightest. nice try trying to politicize something as retarded as yiff image tagging. OP is a faggot in the purest form

>>107999

Your side believes an invisible man who live in the sky created and runs everything, you have no right to point and scream "mental illness" at anyone else.

Religion is not a fact, it is a cult to keep the masses in line with forced narratives and forced thought, under the threat of eternal punishment form an unseen force if you ever disobey. Religious people are either insane or fascist control freaks. It's why most of them turn on the "religious" people who don't play along, see Fred Rogers getting his funeral picketed. WBC is more of a widespread mentality among all religious nuts than people care to admit. I have no sympathy for religious nuts nor do I care to entertain their psychotic delusional bullshit, nor do I need their "love". I need religious people trying to win me over as much as I need a Kayla-Na fan watching my FA account. Fuck these sorry clowns.

George Carlin handed them their asses, but if he were still alive some right-wing asshole would be suing him for it. Why not? They sued Mark Waid for not being a conservative butt-kisser.

>>108272

PS conservatives, pedo supporters and entitled fuckheads can EAT MY SHIT. I'm not your "best friend", you delusional, dangerous always-wrong twat.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kzf6fuo27y3hfah/fablocklist.txt?dl=0

I bet many of you are on that. Fuck you. Where is your made-up god now? He's not getting your name off that list.

>>107864

>believes in god

>calls me "retarded"

yeah, this is where you can get a milkshake tossed at your skull, Trumpet.

>>107901

>it's okay to be fascist and push feelings-based oppression if a majority is cool with it

Typical idiot conservative, does things they accuse their opposition of doing.

Know what, telling you to "eat shit" isn't an insult, you consume it daily.

And I thought rinjipantera was an uneducated fuckhead, it seems this right-wing nonsense is too common in the fandom. Face it- you can't prove your god exists, your oppressive hatred of others will never be "good" and you shooting abortion doctors(a thing your side has condoned and enacted for some time and still does) is worse than antifa punching you. Die in a fire.

Seriously man, what the hell is your deal? Literally no one was bringing up religion aside from you, and given the seemingly unique responses I can't tell if this is some advanced level of shitposting or just raw autism.

>>108272

>>108275

>>108277

>>108279

If you haven't noticed, the author of that article was far from right-wing or religious- and is far closer to being on your side than "my side". I don't make a habit of rejecting information based solely on who is presenting it.

>>107311

When have the words “dickgirl” and “cuntboy” been used as slurs? Never, because no transphobe would use a word that outs them as viewing gender-bender porn. e621 will ban cub next, mark my words.

>>108314

around the same time trap was aka never ever, just worthless, miserable busybodies (always the same too, weird that) that have to make everyone else's existences as miserable as they are by constantly policing shit like the worthless garbage that they are.

>>108325

Don’t trannys consider traps to be “invalidating’ to them.

>>107901

post a photograph of your anus on this website please

>>108337

some trannies do, but they tend to be the worthless dyed hair trash, the ones clinging to trans identity for victimhood status and pink pilling scum that deserve a bullet through their head types. Most of the times it's """allies""" that whine about it though.

How silly. Oh well, e621 was never known for having good tags

>just realized that they changed the tags because they're """"""""""""""""""""""""""""vulgar""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>"pussy" is still the main tag for vagina

lol, trannies

>>108438

>just realized that they changed the tags because they're """"""""""""""""""""""""""""vulgar""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>being anti-vulgaar

>on a Furry Porn site

???

>>108461

>But we're not a porn website

>We just host mostly porn because furries draw mostly porn

Their actual response. Someone was arguing with them about how asinine that was, and was eventually banned for it. Whether because the guy was an asshat or because the mods didn't like the truth being presented I can't tell.

>>107901

Seeing nothing but red text, bold text, and a giant spoiler, I'm going to assume this is a block of /pol/ garbage. How'd I do?

>>108314

Quite a few apparently https://e621.net/takedown?reason=trans

Still, now you say that... https://e621.net/takedown/show/9223

I do find it funny though, the moment the group who is apparently marginalized by visual tagging system is tried to be improved upon, they come in, tear things down, say it's not enough and also give hints to maybe ban content they dislike.

Well, fuck you too and your sex which can only be seen by mind reader who have spend lifetime on tumblr.

>>108474

>Claims to be an archive

>Lets people stop stuff from being archived

Then what's the fucking point? If any random artist with half a decent amount of artistic skill, and a equal amount of brain, can just ram a big fat one up the asses of the people running the 'archive' at any time for any retarded reason, then why bother being an 'archive' at all?

>>108474

>also give hints to maybe ban content they dislike

Wait their going to ban cuntboy porn?

>>107311

Hey OP, did Roarey ever quit using furry art sites as his soapbox? For a while he was on InkBunny, posting pictures like that and then telling everyone who even politely disagreed that they were stupid fucking triggered snowflake libtards who could go to hell. Seemed like that was the entire purpose: trying to draw out people he could sling hate at.

>Leftist Demands

and here I thought 99.99% of all furries and 100% of all FurAffinities staff were extreame lefties where FA literally harbors recruiters for the domestic terror organization AntiFa.

The irony in all this shit is the Lefties as you call them, bitch about Dickgirl and Cuntboy being "offensive" but with the Lefites being communist progressivists that wish to destory all WESTERN (has to be bold for emphasis) culture, they don't bitch when EVERY tag, especially for species, is switched over to LATIN.

Oh the irony.

>it's okay to hate gays because people did it in the past everywhere

And yet I haven't seen a reason to hate them that didn't either invoke religious dogma or bigotry- or both. Fucking someone of the same sex isn't harming society as long as both are consenting to it. Religious bullshit objects because it doens't make babies- they also hate abortion, masturbation, birth control, etc for the same reason, because babies = followers and workers.

By this logic you'd push to bring back the inquisitions because "lots of people did it once". You may as well get rid of technology because that wans't a thing back in your holy glory days that you wish would come back. Just stay super mad that the bad shit of religion has been called out and exposed over the centuries and that atheism is growing for a reason.

>but AIDS

That can transmit through hetero sex just like any STD, it's not gay exclusive.

>but pedo

The only prominent gay pedo proponent I know of is Milo, and he does it on purpose to flaunt because he thinks he's like every other fag out there when he's a delusional attention whore that believes himself to be above the rules. 98% of the men on TCAP were looking for girls and it seems the conservatives have had their fair share of pedos going after young girls the past several years. Hmm. Wanna try again on this angle?

>>108547

Maybe he choked to death on his own shit.

>>108549

Is that true or did you read it on a lie-filled conservative blog? Now go try to ban Ghost concerts because you don't like anti-Christian messages, while pretending it's somehow "not the same thing" as if your side hasn't been out to ban such things for a long time.

Dave Mustaine got called a "hero of free speech" for saying he wouldn't perform with satanic metal bands(he went all fundie nutcase when his glory days of Megadeath died off) yet if Tobias Forge ever said he'd refuse to work with Christian bands, conservatives would call it a "war against Christianity" and call to have him shot. These are people who claim to care about life, yet shoot abortion doctors and then object to giving mothers welfare to feed those babies. Antifa's got nothing on them and their violent nature.

>>108659

>it's not gay exclusive

Homosexuals are the biggest demographic, though.

>The only prominent gay pedo proponent I know of

<The "Not all Muslims are bad because my one Muslim friend doesn't stop a bomb to himself" argument

Also, 75% of the homosexual community are self-admitted pedos.

>>108661

*strap

>>108663

>the homesexual community is this monolithic entity that all follow this one platform that no one’s ever even heard of

There's an alt-rightist fur named rinjipantera that's using an alternate account kevinphoenix to bypass being blocked by users on FA so he can either spy on or harass users. Too bad for him FA made it against the rules to use second accounts to get around blocks. If he's watching you or doing anything else on that account, report him and they'll likely ban both his accounts for doing it.

>>108741

Can you just take your nonsense politics back to /leftypol/? This, isn't exactly the place for organizing purges of suspected right-wingers.

Man, the one good thing about e621 was how easy it is to use the tags to find specific shit to put a tingle in my pringle tube, I feel like going down this road is going to fuck it up completely and make the tag system an utter nightmare to use like with every other porn site that has tags.

>>108772

I feel the first step of this nightmare wasn't this, but changing all the species names to scientific ones and adding every conceivable sub species. Searching is still fine, but if you are on a post, and want to find more of whatever is in it, it makes it way more difficult than it really needs to be.

>>108661

>Also, 75% of the homosexual community are self-admitted pedos

Can you prove that claim, or did you just pull that number out of thin air?

>>108663

There are no references I can find to the National Coalition of Gay Organizations aside from this specific image claiming to be their agenda from a 1972 meeting. They don't seem to have gone very far, and the troubling aspects of their claimed agenda have absolutely not been supported by any major gay rights groups. Not then, and not now, are any such groups lobbying to have age-of-consent done away with.

>>108741

Hey, I'm a left-winger too. 8chan won't be your personal army. Gotta hit up Lulz for that crap.

>e621 gives in to regressive leftist demands

The entire furry fandom is (regressive) leftist, some less/more so than others.

Like, what about this fandom screams "conversative" in any way at all? Really?

Fetishizing humanoid (sometimes not even humanoid) depictions of animals engaged in coitus and injecting yourself into the roles?

Or, maybe it is the attachment of horse dongs to every other (dick)girl not of equine descent in any way?

Oh, maybe it is just the fursuiting?

>>108834

I meant to compare to all of the "right-wing," not just "conservative."

My bad.

>>108834

>The entire furry fandom is (regressive) leftist, some less/more so than others.

This only applies if you take a face value view of the matter. The surface level leftism of the fandom is entirely social, not economic, because under no viable economic system could the current structure of artists and commissioners being split be maintained and the mass of this fandom is made up of people who benefit from the current arrangement. It doesn't matter whether it's because Stalin didn't put furry porn in the 5 year plan, because emancipatory anarchism means everyone gets to be an artist, or because social democracy is letting artists sit on welfare while making it too hard to sell commissions without being taxed. It just doesn't work.

Furry is one big socially liberal sign game. You say you support every group under the sun to show your middle class liberal friends that you will tolerate their kinks if they tolerate yours, while also knowing you can mutually defend one another from those who don't. This "acceptance" is a semi-costly signal of in-group membership, since normal society disapproves (though increasingly it's coming over to not caring.) of such displays. Furry isn't conservative, but very little in the world is today. The market is one of the least conservative things there is. The key method by which businesses evolve is by creative destruction, and there's no reason to assume the market won't do the same with social institutions.

In economics there's a distinction between expressed preference (saying you want something) and revealed preference (what you actually do). Furries may be big on expressing preference for left wing ideas like socialism or communism and adopting the signs of those things, but they take no effective action towards actually delivering it. It is a universal rule that furries would rather read Morbi than Marx. If furries were to step into the room that grants one's innermost desires in Stalker (how ironic, a Soviet film) then to a man and no matter how much art of furries in Soviet military uniforms they had commissioned, the room would grant them more social status in the furry community. Some art, some animations, some music, some physical trinkets, probably not stories because nobody in the fandom reads - but certainly not communism.

I'm not saying this to defend the left, mind you. I'm just fond of the approach of looking through what people say to see what way they would actually jump given the choice. Or more accurately, what the room would give them without accounting for their expressed preference, nor even their conscious preference (one can always send status signals to oneself...), but their actual guiding subconscious desire. It's important to emphasise that none of them are lying, most of them don't know and don't have to confront that they don't actually want what they say they want, even if they could have it to their stated specifications.

>>108834

Some people just think furry girls are cute and don’t buy into the rest of the bullshit. Is that too hard to understand?

>>108818

>Can you prove that claim

https://archive.fo/KQT1B

>There are no references I can find to the National Coalition of Gay Organizations aside from this specific image claiming to be their agenda from a 1972 meeting.

See: >>108685

>>108855

And you believe that the push for removal of age of consent is still intended, even though no GLBT rights group today is lobbying for it or standing behind it?

>>108926

>>108925

>>108901

But also: Pedophiles are trying to rebrand themselves as MAP or NOMAPs: Non-offending minor-attracted persons, to be "politically correct". Eg, being a kidfucker is a protected sexual orientation somehow.

Hint: There's a very good reason they said that gender is separate from sexuality; it's so they can do nude shows and crossdressing and say its not pornographic

>>108929

Why do children even NEED to be taught about sexual activities? Especially since they don't start to hit puberty until Middle School.

>>107311

> Me, a /pol/ack who coincidentally likes /fur/

And Nothing Of Value Is Lost (ANOVIL), Who Gives A Shit (WhoGAS)?

Remember to archive everything using >>>/hydrus/ and other tools

See also >>96331

>>108981

>boys can be boys

>by pretending to be girls

😂

>>108985

>boys can be boys

That's not what he said, he said

<boys can like boys

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>108981

>just that boys can like boys

Why do you need schools to teach that? Just about EVERY part of society that teaches men to act like men (Actually, WHERE in society is this taught anymore?) has that ingrained in their very basis, and it isn't a recent concept either. Using the source provided here: >>107905

>Indeed, Plato wrote that “the only type of real love is the love between two men”, and he dedicated two of his dialogues to that subject: the Symposium and the Phaedrus. However, the kind of love he meant didn’t include homosexuality or any kind of sexual activity. James Davidson, a professor of ancient history at the University of Warwick, wonders in an article published by The Guardian , how someone like Plato who “worshiped” love between men could at the same time describe sex between men as an “utterly unholy act”. The answer is very simple.

>The kind of love between two men that Plato described in Symposium focuses on the beauty of the soul above that of the body. As Plato clearly states in his works, the love (or friendship if you prefer) between two men is above the love a man has for a woman, as in most cases this kind of love includes sex. According to Plato, spiritually loving another male highlights the absolute beauty of the soul and is the epitome of selfless love that can be compared only with the love between a parent and his/her child. In other words, Plato worshiped what youngsters would nowadays describe as “bromance,” but he was strictly against what we define today as homosexuality.

>You sound like one of those rednecks who don't want they're kid to know where babies come from.

Because telling kids that disobeying the natural order of reproduction is okay certainly somehow teaches them about that?

Saying "gay people exist" to kids not old enough to even know or care about "sexuality" is 300 IQ. But, kids at least do know what men and women are.

Let us be honest, though: furries have been screeching about correct pronouns for a long, long time and some of them escaped the Internet and got into the politics of the offline realm. I was seeing "xir" and "Shi" even a decade ago floating around e621 when I was a teenager unironically interested in the fandom. The authoritarian enforcement of their use out if "respect" was lulzy then and it is, now. You dopes are fooling no one. You are about as liberal and left as it gets.

>>108370

But where's the Monster Energy® in that pic?

>>109023

Same anon from >>109014

Just wanted to say, "Nice meme."

>>109066

>I already explained why in the post you quoted.

Except your post is fucking wrong. There's nothing you can do to stop kids from being bullied, and, to a point, nothing should be done about it in the first place. If one kid is being antagonized by another, the kid being antagonized should find a way to get away from the other kid, ignore it, or tell him, directly, to stop. In the second case, the antagonizer usual quits because there's no fun in kicking a dead dog. In the other two cases, if the antagonizer doesn't stop, then you hit him (If it's a girl, then you slap her), and move on. Often times gaining respect and a new friend (Out of a former "enemy"). Society, today, is so overly sensative because they never learned to tough it up. And, all this talk of "being tolerant of each other" doesn't help anyone except the antagonizers because they're see the loophole that "because they can't fight back without getting in trouble, I can antagonize them as much as I want as long as it is within the rules". As infamously said, the laws only effect those who follow the law in the first place. Why not go back to the days where two kids, who hate the shit out of each other, eventually reach a boiling point where they beat the snot out of each other, shake hands, and then be friends for life because everything that needed to be "said" was?

>>109109

>why not let kids beat the shit out of each other

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicides_that_have_been_attributed_to_bullying

>>109114

Let me see if I understand you're line of thinking correctly:

Schools should continue down the path they already are, where the teachers and adminiatration beat into the heads of their students, that people need to be tolerant and submissive and forgiving and apologetic of the faggots and minorities in the student population, yet the same lectures do not extend to the faggots and minorites in the student population, which leads to the normal students, who just want to be left alone, to be antagonized by the faggots and the minorities in the schools because they're given a pass on all their behavior due to their "condition".

Have you ever considered looking up why bullying in middle and high schools are on the rise in this age of "tolerance": http://archive.fo/svXUf

As well as teen suicide stats: http://archive.fo/2zUqx

>>109121

Cool meme.

Not an argument, though.

Being triggered by that phrase alone tells me all I need to know about gays.

>>107460

>homosex good, people who no like homosex bad

If a tactic helps preserve the nation, then darwin commands it.

>>109236

> unironic social darwinism in 2019

>>109154

post feet pics good sir

>>109121

A world, country, state, city, hell, an apartment building run by Stirner's beliefs would be fucking chaos. I wonder if his proponents realize that. Actually, I wonder if they'd say that's how things should be.

>>108855

>The Gay Report, published by homosexual researchers Jay and Young in 1979, revealed that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 to 19 years of age or younger.

19 isn't underage, 18 isn't underage, in most of the US 16 isn't underage, you're just being disingenuous trash.

>>109248

>16 isn't underage

>>109256

Not in Japan and the Middle East it's not

>>109258

>Register my citizenship in another country

>I'm suddenly more biologically mature

???

>>109245

tfw my roommates are all egoists and we all get along just fine

>>109117

> beat into the heads of their students

You already made a loaded situation, anon.

> faggots

Already loading it further.

> do not extend to the faggots

Apparently you haven't realized that being an asshole gets you in trouble, and that misgendering or calling people faggots are two ways to be an asshole, but calling someone on their being an asshole isn't itself assholery.

> "condition"

You could just say "I've never opened the DSM-V once in my entire life" and it would have had the exact same effect.

>>109256

>what is a bracket

those who had sex with 18 and 19 years old are in those 73 (not 75, weird how you made it higher for ZERO reason!) percent you absolute disingenuous garbage.

>>108929

Nice try but no. They're teaching them they'll get super special attention if they act gay, and will then be immune to criticism. Kids aren't stupid, they can read between the lines, and this shit feeds into their egos. And in turn, uber progressive moms get to strut out their gay son for social ass-pats.

>>109278

18

and

19

included

in

the

percentage

retard

>>109283

http://archive.fo/heQMN

broke: getting mad at leftists because muh e621 tags

woke: getting mad at so-called leftists who argue for a free market in art where artists set prices that rival those of cars because muh artists are workers who need money, ignoring that setting the prices so high precludes normal workers from buying

>>109289

not a counterpoint, retard

>>109295

fuck all markets tbh

>>109299

quality is subjective and depends on one's own personal tastes, but a degen pic shouldn't be $5,000

>>108927

Is crossdressing always pornographic?

>>109154

>not an argument

it literally is, you believe in something that doesn't exist

<everyone who disagrees with me is triggered

ebin

>>109245

Not really no, people would actually get along better if they stopped their moralfaggotry. Read The Ego and Its Own, its a great book.

>>109257

The Right is never right.

>>107363

>All I did was politely mention (hold a donation over your head) I'd appreciate a change

>I don't need 20 people jumping down my throat bc I offended you over something that literally doesn't harm you or have any effect on your life in any way.

>implying that's not what happens to people using terms like cuntboy and dickgirl that've been around for ages and suddenly started making people upset because someone else told them to be

>>107694

>what business do you have telling somebody what gender they are?

Just trying to help them out since being born with a certain set of genitals didn't get the point across to them initially.

>>109380

> gender

> genitals

oh no, it's retarded

>>109387

>It's retarded

>It's

DID YOU JUST ASSUME THAT ANON'S GENDER

>>109345

How do women crossdress? Like say I wanted to humiliate a woman by crossdressing her. How?

t. Question Frogs

>>109387

I mean...

What is the difference?

Genitalia still determines gender. Lol.

>>109365

>it literally is, you believe in something that doesn't exist

Biology and reproduction do not exist, guys!! You heard it here, on 8chan!

Yeah, show me two guys or two women breeding a new human -- as in, two dicks and two vaginas, you semantic-manipulating, disingenuous loons -- and I will personally rope myself on live-action camera.

>>109365

If people were the kind of people Stirner imagined them to be this would be true.

The problem is that Egoism, like most ideas, is too complicated for most people who have better things to do with their lives than read philosophy. So people bastardize it down to simpler ideas. You want to know why half this thread is arguing about gender politics rather than going deeper? Because going deeper is hard. Everyone instinctively understands culture war stuff and can instinctively pick a side. Nobody has time for a dark reading of Marshall McLuhan colliding with the declaration of independence of Cyberspace as it intersects with the digital porno market and imageboard culture. Fuck that noise, just tell me how many genders there are.

And so egoism also degenerates, from a high minded ideal of self interest and love for others from that interest down to a simple ex-post-facto reading that all my actions are good and all your actions that i don't like are spooks you spooky spook.

Shoot commies

>>109408

Well I'm gonna have to make a girl really sad tomorrow night. I guess I can buy her ice cream gift cards with bitcoin or something.