/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

>>140887

I stack yohimbine with EC stack. Helps with the hunger and sometimes I take it if I just need to wake up earlier. It's like my morning coffee.

>>140895

man…not having the chance to get ephedrine sure sucks balls

i tried higher doses of pseudoephedrine and squeezed as a replacement in the stack,

kinda effective,but it's ain't shit compared to a proper stack

>>140932

When I say EC, I meant pseudophedrine or ephedrine HCL. Pseudophedrine is still about 80% real ephedrine, so it should still work. I doubt you can still get full ephedrine anywhere anymore except on TOR or from a drug dealer.

>>140933

>I doubt you can still get full ephedrine anywhere anymore except on TOR or from a drug dealer.

I buy mine at walmart. What state are you in where you can't get real ephedrine?

And before you say anything yes I mean real ephedrine, not pseudoephedrine.

>>140933

currently on business outside the states & gonna be for a long while

getting ephedrine is most likely impossible here, i keep on failing to find primatene nor Bronkaid anywhere in this shithole of meth labs-infested country

all i can get my hands on is clarinaise which contains some Pseudo-E..still fairly expensive in terms of effects and efficiency comparison with EphHCL medications

sudafed can also be found easily here, but clarinase seems a better fix anyway

thinking about ordering some Chesteze online,but it's gonna be helluva restricted ride to where i am.

isn't there like, some chemically efficient material like ephedrine without fucking up your health further?

>>140887

DNP. Stay safe.

A cup of green tea after breakfast and lunch

>>140986

try yohimbine HCL

>>141482

"Lean" people tend to be anorexic and have multiple other problems. This is what OP is asking for.

>>141484

"lean" usually implies a decent amount of muscle mass, not just looking like a spooky skeltal. A huge distinction there.

>>141487

Fat cells contain fat—not carbs. Besides that enormous elephant in the room, this picture does not describe what these products do in scientific or biological terms. What it means to "block carbs" is extremely vague. Do you know what ingredients they actually contain?

There is such a thing as an improper metabolism of carbohydrates. The healthy metabolic route could sometimes be said to be "blocked". The associations with cancer are well known:

Feron, Olivier. Pyruvate into lactate and back: from the Warburg effect to symbiotic energy fuel exchange in cancer cells. Radiotherapy and oncology 92.3 (2009): 329-333.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.radonc.2009.06.025

>Hypoxia and oncogenic mutations drive glycolysis, with the pyruvate to lactate conversion being promoted by increased expression of lactate dehydrogenase A and inactivation of pyruvate dehydrogenase. […] More than a waste product, lactate was recently identified as a major energy fuel in tumors. Lactate produced by hypoxic tumor cells may indeed diffuse and be taken up by oxygenated tumor cells. Preferential utilization of lactate for oxidative metabolism spares glucose which may in turn reach hypoxic tumor cells.

Schulz, Tim J., et al. Induction of oxidative metabolism by mitochondrial frataxin inhibits cancer growth Otto Warburg revisited. Journal of Biological Chemistry 281.2 (2006): 977-981.

https://doi.org/10.1074/jbc.M511064200

Vaitheesvaran, B., et al. The Warburg effect: a balance of flux analysis. Metabolomics 11.4 (2015): 787-796.

https://doi.org/10.1007/s11306-014-0760-9

>The observation that cancer cells produce lactate in an environment of oxygen sufficiency (aerobic glycolysis) is a central theme of cancer metabolism known as the Warburg effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_fermentation#Tumor_cells

>Cancers cells often have reprogrammed their glucose metabolism to perform lactic acid fermentation, in the presence of oxygen, rather than send the pyruvate made through glycolysis to the mitochondria. This is referred to as the Warburg effect, and is associated with high consumption of glucose and a high rate of glycolysis.[24]

The premise of "blocking carbs" for any endeavors pertaining to health or fitness sounds absurd, because it sounds like fucking with aerobic respiration processes instead of helping them happen more efficiently and correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_respiration#Aerobic_respiration_summed_up

Staub, F., et al. Swelling, acidosis, and irreversible damage of glial cells from exposure to arachidonic acid in vitro. Journal of Cerebral Blood Flow & Metabolism 14.6 (1994): 1030-1039.

https://doi.org/10.1038%2Fjcbfm.1994.135

>In parallel with the early swelling phase, AA led to a dose-dependent decrease of the intracellular pH and an elevated lactate production of the cells.

>>141490

>Fat cells contain fat—not carbs.

Or rather I should say fat is the thing they store which in excess results in obesity.

>>140887

Opinions on albuterol / salbutamol?

Is ephedrine an actual fat burner or does it just suppress appetite?

Is it even remotely sane to buy illegal substances like these on the internet? And if yes, where?

>>141487

Don't bother all the stuff marketed as weight loss supplements is either pure garbage with zero effectiveness or at best very marginally effective (like 1% or less difference). The exception being anything that has caffeine but in that case you are just better off taking caffeine pills which are much cheaper and widely available.

Most things that really work are either illegal or in a grey area.

So what can I use? Well:

Caffeine

>Like I said its cheap and widely available at every pharmacy, grocery store and even most gas stations. And yes it does work, Its not just a stimulate either but also help suppress appetite and increases focus which can help you get more intense workouts.

<The only bad sides is it can make you jittery if you're not used to it but just ease in and you'll be fine. Limit it to ~600mg a day max. Oh and it dehydrates you so drink tons of water, like a minimum of a gallon a day.

Ephedrine

>Its a bronchodilator and nervous system stimulant that elevates your blood pressure and helps you breath more gooder. Usually taken in a stack with caffeine, this is what is called an EC or ECA(sprin) stack. The take away is it gives you about a 5% boost. Now you may be thinking 5%!? That doesn't sound like a lot. Well you're right it isn't. EC stacks definitely work but in my opinion the caffeine is doing about 80% of the work.

<If you have a bad ticker or have never taken stimulants before you should be careful when starting out, consult your doctor, be smart, yada yada yada just don't be an idiot and stay within the recommended limits. Oh and this shit will make you sweat but don't worry thats just how you know its working.

Clenbuterol

<literally ephedrine for horses.

>considerably more effective than ephedrine

<somewhat more risky than ephedrine

>probably wont kill you unless you're retarded

<might kill you or at least land you in the ER

DNP

<Some crazy shit cooked up in the 1930's

>It will literally melt the fat off your body.

<No not figuratively, literally. Okay not really but it will feel like that because you will get WARM

<If you fuck up the dosage not only will this kill you, but even if you go to a hospital all they can do for you is give you drugs so you can die more comfortably.

<Even if you don't die theres tons of other side effects like for example it has a 36 hour half life so you sleep will be completely fucked.

"Steroids" aka SARMs aka PEDs

>Way too many for me to go into but most are effective and some are quite safe if used responsibly and intelligently

<Some can have really bad sides and you might not even notice them until the damage is done and now you need say a liver transplant

<many of them are illegal and/or hard to get which usually means shady Russian/Chinese websites or trips down to Tijuana or having "a guy"

>>141490

gas yourself

>>141621

>gas yourself

u seem butthurt

i bet u r fat & bitter

>>141622

Just leave already. If you'd ever picked up a bottle of 'carb blocker' or even two two seconds to google it, you'd know they're just bean lectins that act as amylase inhibitors. They block the digestion of complex carbohydrates. You'd rather go on pubmed and find studies to convince people you're smart, but really you're a fucking joke.

The Dunning-Kruger effect, everyone.

>>141637

What are you talking about dude

Are you having a schizophrenic episode

>recommend a fat burner

hordenine

>thermogenic

>energetic

>high pH can cause stomach irritation

>MAOI-B can cause dangerous interactions if taken before dopaminergics

Otherwise it's fucking fantastic, cheap, and unknown (except in the PEA + hordenine stack)

(don't do the PEA + hordenine stack, btw)

Cynomel.

>>141637

>Are you having a schizophrenic episode

Yeah kinda. Forgot /fit/ has ID's and thought you were >>141490

Sorry bro, that guy just pisses me off with his shit 'science' and inability to read a study with understanding. Pretty sure he's a college freshman that just learned about pubmed last semester and thinks he has found the ultimate repository of biological knowledge.

>>141671

>Sorry bro, that guy just pisses me off

all me:

>>141490

>>141491

>>141622

>>141638

lol

>>141677

I use citations sometimes. Sometimes the reference immediately follows the claim. Rarely is it not obvious which reference is relevant to a section of claims. Most of the time you can get the point of the reference by reading the article title. I have made neatly organized PDFs on a couple occasions but that's less impulsive and takes more of my time. I make the posts for my own learning and enjoyment, so I don't care much if I'm believed. It might be fun if someone can actually engage with what I'm saying, but people that don't have time to parse titles and abstracts simply aren't interested in discussion but rather asserting their own worldview.

>>141677

Bro just ignore him he does this in every thread and by engaging him you are encouraging his autism. If you must respond just tell him to fuck off.

>>141685

gas yourself

Just do keto brah.

>>141677

I think we should be glad that he's posting sources at all. We shouldn't settle for low-effort broscience claims about diet and fitness – I haven't checked out this guy's sources, so I won't try to defend their validity, but it's nice to see some effort, even if it's not formatted in the way you think is proper.

I mean are you making the argument that "if you're not going to conform to my idea of what proper citation formatting is, then you shouldn't cite anything at all"?

>>141767

But what about gallstones?

>>141947

I'll have you know I also skim full papers and even quote from them when necessary thanks to sci-hub providing 99% availability of paywalled papers. Sometimes I even read long sections. One time I started digging deep into an enlightening review on taurine, but then I fell asleep halfway through. Wow, that taurine is neat stuff. I might even read a book on it if I receive one. Who am I kidding? I don't read whole books either. An autist would have more focus than me—I think.

DNP

is dinitro still dealing?

lol, adderall is the only "fat burner" you need

Sprinting.

Don't be a nigger and move your lazy butt.

>>141655

Is this the same as "Levothyroxine"? Got a package of those at home. To treat my dog. Can you explain what happens when I take a pill of those?

Maca root powder. Gibs libido. You can channel that boost of sexual energies into lifts. Or just fap moar.

Intermittent fasting, shitloads of garlic and green tea. Works wonders for me when I'm cutting, I can see a visible difference in 2-4 days easy.

>>141800

I agree, I'd rather have sources for outlandish claims, even if you can easily find sources stating quite the opposite like >>141947 says.

>>141947

>You will find accomplished doctors and nutritionists that recommend completely different diets or workouts, even though both recommendations are backed with a lot of research

I think at least part of that is that nutrition science soundly refuses to acknowledge race, because that's racist. Even though it's not that crazy to think that the different races evolved different diet preferences to suit their own environments. Plus the introduction of agriculture, very recent in evolutionary terms, seems not to have set very well with our digestive systems that developed for many thousands of years of years prior eating meat and forage.

Is yohimbine actually legit or just a meme?

>>142799

I tried it for a month. Stopped because it made me feel kinda jittery but didn't seem to yield any significant results. Its pretty cheap though and its fairly safe so might as well give it a go if you need a little bump. Peoples bodies work differently and the fact that I felt jitters means it was doing "something".

Primatene (Pfizer) = Ephedrine HCL…now contains toxic aluminum dyes, the same stuff in chemtrails

Bronkaid (Bayer/Monsanto) = Ephedrine Sulfate…now contains toxic Titanium Dioxide which never used to be in Bronkaid until the last few years ago and was never needed either (no wonder it fux people up)

pharma made war on supplements to monopolize ephedrine in the U.S. and then poison it just like tobacco, so get your bulk from Canada

p.s. boycott CVS at all costs b/c they play the SJW game to kill off effective quality-of-life products

>>140986

ephedrine isn't bad and you gotta stop believing the meme

fyi

>Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.

>Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.

>25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine

>25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine

>>142799

I prefer ECA stack to yohimbe. Less sides more results.

>>142285

ScorpionDNP got busted for "mail fraud" last year. Don't know if there is anyone else still dealing. I know they also cracked down on importation last december.