/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

>>140058

>Can I expect any complications doing this for the foreseeable future?

Sure, why not. You're already experiencing one: the mental illness that made you adopt this "diet".

>>140059

The only "mental illness" that made me adopt this diet is food addiction. It's the same for me with smoking pot, porn, what have you. It's all or nothing for me… I can't not eat so I'm doing the next best thing… Probably should not do that cheat day.

>>140060

Yeah man don't do a cheat day, and probably up the calories to 1000 a day and take some multi-vitamins. 1000 calories of veggies should keep you full. You're gonna be considerably weaker though, so keep that in mind. Probably only do this diet for a month at most. Then go on to exercise and a less strict diet.

>>140062

I tried around 1000 Monday I think; and ended up binging on peanut butter and celery. As soon as I eat something that tastes good I just want to feed my fat face compulsively. I've used eating as a coping mechanism for depression probably my whole life. 1000k of fruit/veggies is a fuckton. I'll try to at least hit 500 but that's still really a lot of fruit and vegetables. Some whole grains are okay too I imagine.

I already feel a bit weaker but I think it's psychological. The very first day I tried to only drink tea and water (like fasting) but I got a major headache and caved a few hours before bed. How much weight do you think I can drop in a month doing this? I'm 260 pounds right now, disgusting and morbidly obese.

>>140063

I don't know how much you will drop but I'm sure you'll drop it pretty fast. I would supplement it with exercise too, especially on days where you inevitably binge eat.

>>140065

I'm doing a mile of walking every day and yard work some days. Pulling weeds, sawing branches, chopping wood and so forth.

>>140060

>addiction

I don't agree with the general idea of addiction in how it is often framed. Instead, I see desperation and attempts by desperate organisms to relieve the stress that is causing the desperation. Sometimes, there is desperation for a drug, and the drug could be doing exactly what they need to relieve the stress, but it could also be doing other things they don't need—perhaps things that make the situation worse. The fallacy is in seeing masochism as the answer to avoiding that which is gradually damaging the health instead of trying to understand what is needed so badly while seeking that which will maintain and improve health and happiness.

Alcoholics often know exactly what they need: more alcohol. This is because few understand what they get out of alcohol (probably more GABA in the brain) or why they need it (probably chronic GABA deficiency) and instead choose to berate them like children for an "addiction". If instead the focus was on finding things that supplied the good effects of an addicting substance while few or none of the bad, problems could be fixed or alleviated. The idea is simple: why is there an obsession with the surface or symptoms of a problem when only treating root causes provides any true relief?

Vendruscolo, Leandro F., et al. Glucocorticoid receptor antagonism decreases alcohol seeking in alcohol-dependent individuals. The Journal of clinical investigation 125.8 (2015): 3193-3197.

https://doi.org/10.1172/JCI79828

Besheer, Joyce, et al. Pregnenolone and ganaxolone reduce operant ethanol self‐administration in alcohol‐preferring P rats. Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research 34.12 (2010): 2044-2052.

https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2010.01300.x

The signs are there that stress must be lowered for an addiction to cease, and one of the most primal sources of stress is a lack of energy. This leads the masochists to the conclusion they cannot possibly face—the light of which is to strong for their eyes to bear: that they might find healing and relief through indulgence and love. Coffee addicts might actually benefit from drinking coffee. Fat people might be served by eating more (good things). Some of the principle factors in adequate availability of energy are light and carbohydrates—more practically and realistically: sunshine and fruit. In spite of the ability for sugar to reduce stress—for sweetness to uplift the spirit—a heart or a society that abides in a cave of darkness will always put the light of truth far from them:

Tryon, Matthew S., et al. Excessive sugar consumption may be a difficult habit to break: a view from the brain and body. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 100.6 (2015): 2239-2247.

https://doi.org/10.1210/jc.2014-4353

>>140058

just fast you retard

holyshit theres tons of research about this

>>140068

Well, my stress isn't going to cease. So I have to cut out my bad habits however I can.

>>140069

I'm not going to fast for a week or even a month; maybe a day tops, retard. I actually tried fasting the first day and ended up gorging myself by the end. Giving myself minimal food keeps my brain semi-satisfied and my stomach from eating itself.

Enjoy your skin flaps and anemia OP.

>>140073

People have fasted for over a year, and so can you. Deep caloric deficits are basically anorexia and comes with a myriad of things that can fuck you up. Just stop eating until you're no longer fat.

>>140085

I fail to see how fasting for a year is safe but eating a huge caloric deficit can fuck me. I would be anorexic if I wasn't like 100 pounds overweight. It's much, much easier to eat very lightly than to not eat at all.

>>140084

What did he mean by this?

>>140124

>It's much, much easier to eat very lightly than to not eat at all.

False. It's much easier to fast. Super low calorie diets will jack up your health, but I can't stop you…

>>140127

Fasting is actually better for you? Like, over extended periods of time? I know fasting is very good for one or maybe two days … I'm considering modifying it to have one normal meal a day and be closer to like 1k a day rather than >500k.

>>140133

Fasting is better for you. And if you are going to cut your calories that low, you are better off just fasting outright. Eating tiny amounts of calories will just make you crave more especially if those are carbs. It also keeps your insulin raised and it keeps you out of ketosis. You pretty much just end up feeling like shit constantly. Try fasting and trust me on this. t. ~faster

>>140058

Repeated short term fasting (2-4 days) always works for me.

Also, V8 is tasty, but the sodium content is horrific. I hope you at least have the good taste to douse your salt juice with some habanero sauce.

I'm 110 pounds overweight too and I'm struggling to lose them tbh.

I've lost over 130 pounds 3years ago but I gained all of them back due to the NEET lifestyle and having no friends. So I ate huge amounts of food to replace my lack of social life, now I'm working on myself to lose all this weight again.

So far I've lost 5kg doing OMAD (one meal a day) mostly water weight but who cares the scale says that it's working and It's the beginning, I usually have my meal around 4pm and it doesn't exceed 700 calories. I'm waiting to weigh myself at the end of this month and see how much I have lost. (I'll keep you updated if you want)) you can follow OMAD too as it allows you to fast for 23 hours, which reduces your insulin levels and therefore help shedding off the fat.

I've tried waterfasting for some days too and I couldn't tolerate hunger bangs, they also say that you have to add pink salt, sodium and potassium to the water to recharge your electrolytes during the fast, and you can't use plan water alone. so it seemed a little bit complicated than OMAD and I gave it up.

>>140136

I tried fasting the first day, felt weak and shitty all day and finally broke and ate a fuck ton of pb with celery sticks and an apple. It didn't work. I have literally no will power tbh.

>>140137

I'm not worried about sodium; mainly fat, somewhat sugar and a little carbs. If I eat little enough I doubt any of that will matter. And the v8 had like no sodium compared to my old double ramen + soy sauce, hot sauce etc…

>>140148

The best I did was about 50 pounds lost in 2012-2013. Then I fucked some girl got all confident forgot it mattered and started eating chicken tenders and shit again. I'm drinking fucktons of spring water and green tea currently. I might try the OMAD thing you mentioned. Sure, keep me updated! I'm glad to know I'm not the only fatty here struggling to not be.

>>140063

>>140153

>260 lbs

>morbidly obese

First thing's first

COUNT!

YOUR!

FUCKING!

CALORIES!

Starving yourself and panic-bingeing is not good for you mentally, and your anxiety seems to stem from a lack of control. at the very least, write down the calorie counts of what you know, if you don't leave home much, whatever you put in your mouth, add it up. keep a notepad, smartphone or whatever you need to keep count of what you're eating.

set yourself a limit, and plan your meals around your limits. It will let you know exactly what you consume and how many calories you are putting in yourself.

>>140085

>>140127

>>140136

>>140137

>>140069

No.

Fasting is feasible if you can psychologically manage it, but if it puts stress on you, then fuck that shit.

Second. How tall are you? Are you being put down because of your weight? 6 feet and 260 lbs, is fatass, but NOT landwhale- even if you're a skeleton with nothing but fat on your body.

Third…

This is a lifestyle change. Not just a 'diet'.

you will make it.

>>140178

>How tall are you

>/fit/

>The one thing more important than anything

Good one. I'm not about to be lambasted, derided and ridiculed because of my height. I'm a manlet. there you go. Fucking mock me.

Why count my calories when I could just eat at an enormous deficit? The more I eat, the more I want to eat- whether or not I wasted an hour every day tallying that shit up. I have "myfitnesspal" but it's garbage and a waste of time. I used it last year when I tried to shed some pounds but it is just so fucking tedious. Eating as little as possible is far more logical.

Also, if I had planning skills and knew how to manage what I ate maybe I wouldn't be a disgusting obese majin buu abomination.

>>140178

>>140179

I'm counting my calories again on the stupid myfitnesspal site. I'm at 700 today (huge salad for lunch) and I should not exceed 1000. …

>>140179

Eating at an enormous deficit sends your body into starvation mode and you end up not losing as much weight as you would if you were eating at a caloric deficit of 200.

>>140058

The complication.

Your body will think you are starving, which you are, and will turn everything you eat into fat and store it.

If you want to count calories, fine.

Drink 6 protein, 150 calorie drinks a day. That's 900 calories, but 35 protein per shake, X 6… that's 210 grams of protein, which will help you burn calories. If you weigh more than 210, then add shakes to that, or eat a sensible meal.

>>140058

Look up PSMF.

>Fat fuck that can't manage what they eat

>I KNOW - I'll just cut down to 500kcal

>Lose Weight

>Not learn a fucking thing about nutrition

>Not learning a fucking thing about self moderation

>Not learning a fucking thing

>Oh, wow, I feel better now - now I can go back to eating whatever the fuck I want!

Enjoy your yo-yo faggot.

Any diet you go on to lose weight, has to be permanently sustainable, or your just asking for a rebound that's going fuck your body up again, after you've already fucked it up by trying to fix it after you fucked it up the first time. Right out of the fucking gate, you should be eating maintenance for your idea/target weight, and only introduce a cut to that once you start to plateau as you get closer to your goal.

>>140909

>Your body will think you are starving, which you are, and will turn everything you eat into fat and store it.

No, when you starve, your body switches to fueling itself on ketones rather than gulcose. It burns fat when it's starving, but you don't actually get into a state of ketosis until you've stopped eating for at least 6~8 hours. As soon as you eat and start digesting food, your blood sugar spikes and your body starts to use that as fuel.

People that claim to "get fat" while supposedly eating below maintenance are just making excuses for not counting calories, or are grossly fucking up their TDEE calculations.

>>141355

>People that claim to "get fat" while supposedly eating below maintenance are just making excuses for not counting calories, or are grossly fucking up their TDEE calculations.

this is what I try to tell my mother but she always says "muh but that goes out the window if you're an old woman" or "muh it worked for awhile but then I gained it back"

feels good not being a fatass, the only time in my life where I was fat was when I was 11 years old and mummy was buying me Wendy's Baconators twice a week-ish. I noticed I had 2 extra rolls on top of the stomach fat blob, which bothered me, so I told her to stop buying Wendy's shit and I was back to twigmode when I was 12. I never exercised, must have been playing playstation 2 and watching naruto