/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

>>138393

also on a related note,had a dark brown beard for many years

all the sudden in the past years it turned slightly red(ginger)

like seriously whats going on?

I was blonde as I toddler too, now I'm a Mediterranean-nigger.

It has to do with the fact that infants require more vitamin D, therefore light skin and hair is an advantage when exposed to the Sun.

When you grow up you don't require it as much, thus the darkening of hair.

>>138398

interesting,thanks for letting me know.

i have no problem with brown hair tho,its not a big deal for me but i guess this is my perm hair colour now.

aldo my beard started to turn more red/ginger,only realized until people started to tell me i had a reddish beard lel

>>138393

>Moortugal

>blonde hair

>>138393

I thought I saw a quotation from an ancient Roman historian saying this was a regular feature of Celtic peoples some years ago. My searches aren't turning anything up right now though.

>>138400

Was when I was a kid,most of my family are blonde with blue eyes but I got brown eyes,brown hair (except my beard which is lightly part red) plus pale which I am trying to change by sunlight lel,my brother at least Got green eyes tho

Still not 100% snow nigga family since 1/4 of my family was darker

This isn't a race thing i like being a moortuguese and love all my brother meds

>>138401

Oh okay apparently it was Diodorus (Greek) that made some comments.

Holmes, Thomas Rice. Caesar's conquest of Gaul. Oxford University Press, 1931.

https://books.google.com/books?id=0o8RAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317

>>138403

Thanks,I have some red heads in my family also.

Nice post

>>138403

Err… so Wikipedia says Diodorus was born in Sicily? Whatever. He's given the title "Greek historian" but maybe that's just an Italian with a specialization in Greek history.

>>138405

>burger doesn't know that "Great Greece" included all the Italy territory from Naples downwards

For some reason I'm not surprised.

>>138400

It won't be like Switzerland on any thulean region, but you still get sprouts of extremely pale and blonde people.

>>138399

>its not a big deal for me but i guess this is my perm hair colour now

Maybe you could try to use shampoo with chamomile extracts, it's supposed to lighten the hair.

>>138406

Thanks bruv

I really like your country btw

>>138406

Yeah well history education sucks in American public schools. I've had to stumble upon what I know through my own searches.

>>138393

why would you want to be blonde? blonde/ginger is desirable in women but women usually prefer men that have dark hair and light eyes. dark eyes are the true curse

>>138407

sicilians aren't part nigger, they're part north african and arab though, you can just look at the Y-DNA haplogroups. more than half of sicilian men have a paternal lineage that can be traced back to north africa (E) or arabia (J). that percentage gets lower as you head north up the Italian peninsula

>>138409

yeah they deliberately don't teach any European history at all in American schools, it skips from the Roman Empire to 1776

>>138405

you fucking stupid americlap

>>138412

>why would you want to be blonde? blonde/ginger is desirable in women but women usually prefer men that have dark hair and light eyes. dark eyes are the true curse

i actually dont,i always figured i had some health problem with my hair or something,i guess it isnt true after all. I have light brown eyes but i love being a med tbh

>sicilians aren't part nigger, they're part north african and arab though, you can just look at the Y-DNA haplogroups. more than half of sicilian men have a paternal lineage that can be traced back to north africa (E) or arabia (J). that percentage gets lower as you head north up the Italian peninsula

yeah thats what i meant as part african,i know they have lots of north africa dna on them,i still find sicilians pretty interesting people tho.Thats true,the north of italy is extremely white

>>138393

once you go back you never go back

you need to be 18+ to post here

Too bad, not master race. Im full blonde. Went bald, shave my head now.

My beard is still blonde. Feels good man.

>>138453

>bald

>master race

>>138400

>who were the Suebii

>>138457

Baldness can be caused by absurdly high levels of testosterone though.

>>138466

Androgens grow hair. Estrogen promotes hair loss. Testosterone will tend to convert into estrogen when under stress.

>>138465

Were they blonde? I normally assume that blonde hair in the Iberian peninsula is from the Visigoths, i.e. Germanic ancestry. The climate there probably wouldn't favor blonde hair like the areas around the Baltic Sea do.

>>138471

tbh i have seen a surprising ammount of blondes around my area,maybe its just where i live tho

>>138467

>Estrogen promotes hair loss.

Are you retarded? DHT promotes hair loss, that's why finasteride (DHT blocker) is used to stop hair loss in men. If estrogen promotes hair loss, why don't we see tons of bald women?

Estrogen has plenty of bad effects in men, but baldness isn't one.

>>138498

>If estrogen promotes hair loss, why don't we see tons of bald women?

Estrogen is not the quintessential "female hormone". There is no such quintessential hormone—only a particular balance of hormones which is described as feminine. This myth was started as a marketing strategy by the estrogen industry so they could peddle estrogens as hormone replacement "therapies" even though they are well known to cause cancer and accelerate aging in these contexts. There is a class of hormones which sexualize both men and women, and those are estrogens. It is the way in which estrogen is antagonized by other processes which both feminizes and masculinizes.

Because there is no sexuality or fertility without the presence of estrogens in both men and women, estrogen is not only essential to feminization, but also masculinization. This is because masculinity and femininity are inherently sexual. Without estrogen, a person will behave and appear strangely nonsexual. Femininity and masculinity are largely produced by the interplay of progestins and androgens with estrogens. But both men and women make progesterone (and progestins in general) so it is not enough to say progesterone is the single defining factor which creates a woman. Rather it is more the overwhelming absence of androgens and the following redirection of hormone production to more progesterone which more accurately describes the state of women. That is to say women are defined more by the absence of things, and men are more like women + additional factors.

But in practice we see men are frequently feminized by supplemental estrogens. This is because while in a natural, healthier hormonal balance, the antagonism of endogenous estrogens by androgens would usually increase masculinity, but by overwhelming the body's system of hormonal regulation with either absurd amounts of estrogens or varieties of estrogens which are much too stubborn to properly antagonize, masculinizing processes are weakened or lost. That is to say feminization is the loss of masculinity or the loss of the ability to oppose estrogens in a masculine way—not the acquiring of a feminine trait. (The feminine aspects were already there.) My best guess at the moment is that it requires more energy to create enough androgens to oppose a given amount of estrogen than to create enough progestins, and estrogens interfere with the production and flow of energy, so a system overwhelmed by them defaults to the more basic feminine state which is only able to produce mostly progesterone as its best effort.

Estrogens do in fact cause hair loss, but while women have a higher ratio of estrogen, they also have a higher ratio of progesterone which more strongly maintains the state of hair than androgens. However, in controlled experiments DHT also grows hair in vitro, but this wouldn't be obvious to those who only look at observational studies. It's true that higher levels of DHT are found on the scalps of bald men, but this is perhaps a red herring. The DHT is just an innocent fireman, trying to stop the damage, and he's always there at the scene of the crime ready to take the blame. The good news is that men don't have to rely on DHT alone to fix their hair. They can also apply progesterone to the scalp, and with sane amounts supplementing progesterone is actually androgenic. (Probably because it both supplies more substrate for the creation of other hormones and introducing it conserves energy and materials which would have been devoted to its creation.) Though I don't know as of yet if progesterone would do more to maintain or to regrow.

The mode of action for finasteride isn't its opposition of DHT.

>>138499

fascinating, are you studying this or something?

how does one max test, other than the obvious getting a good night's sleep and high intensity compound lifts?

>>138502

Studying is antagonistic to the acceptance of truth. Instead I observe from afar without focus.

The singular focus on maximization of testosterone is frequently an estrogenic process, because testosterone potentially converts into estrogen through aromatization. Instead, a healthier premise is maintaining increases in DHT to match increases in testosterone. The 5-ar enzyme necessary for this is upregulated by glycine for example. Plentiful intake of fat soluble vitamins will also be beneficial. Vitamin K2 (MK-4) reliably increases androgens.

>>138499

>The mode of action for finasteride isn't its opposition of DHT.

Oh, what is it then?

>>138504

>The singular focus on maximization of testosterone is frequently an estrogenic process, because testosterone potentially converts into estrogen through aromatization. Instead, a healthier premise is maintaining increases in DHT to match increases in testosterone. The 5-ar enzyme necessary for this is upregulated by glycine for example. Plentiful intake of fat soluble vitamins will also be beneficial. Vitamin K2 (MK-4) reliably increases androgens.

English, please. What supplements do you recommend other than Vitamin K2? What behaviors other than W I D E S T A N C E, intense compound lifting, plenty of sleep at appropriate hours, and sunlight exposure?

>>138505

1. It has some progesterone-like qualities, probably because the starting material for its synthesis is progesterone.

2. Probably by lowering interferon-γ, which causes hair loss by increasing phospholipase A₂, which causes hair loss by eventually increasing prostaglandin D₂.

I've seen it mentioned that androgens can upregulate interferon-γ, but it's not so simple. Apparently testosterone increases production of interleukin-10, and interleukin-10 decreases interferon-γ.

Furthermore, interferon-γ decreases testosterone production, so if there is an increase of interferon-γ attributable to androgens, it seems like it would be a negative feedback loop. An additional tidbit I ran across is that obese children have increased interferon-γ-secreting cells, and obesity is not normally indicative of a high androgen profile.

BUT men are more prone to stress and have increased cortisol secretion. Prepubertal castration has been shown to lower plasma corticosteroid levels at rest, and acute stress can raise interferon-γ. I think this is partly because androgens are metabolically expensive, and in having to meet more energetic demands because of the androgens, males become more sensitive to stress.

So if you want to say finasteride works by downregulating the adrenal hyperactivity associated with stress + androgens by opposing androgens, I think it explains things much better, because the direct, positve effect of androgens on hair growth shouldn't be ignored as seen in this in vitro experiment:

Thornton, M. J., Messenger, A. G., Elliott, K., & Randall, V. A. (1991). Effect of androgens on the growth of cultured human dermal papilla cells derived from beard and scalp hair follicles. Journal of investigative dermatology, 97(2), 345-348.

https://doi.org/10.1111/1523-1747.ep12480688

full text: http://sci-hub.hk/10.1111/1523-1747.ep12480688

(In figure 2, testosterone stimulates scalp hair growth more than beard hair!)

But the real devil in the details here are the ω-6 fatty acids. Without significant levels of ω-6 fatty acids in the diet, influential amounts prostaglandin D₂ that would cause this baldness cannot be made. This is why it is male pattern baldness, and not inevitable male baldness. Prostaglandin and stress levels are the major factors here. Androgens only influence the way in which one responds to stress and the way in which one handles prostaglandins. They don't make you eat vegetable oils high in linoleic acid, and they don't force you into stress—just predispose you to it.

So the preventive remedies are:

1. Avoid ω-6 fatty acids.

2. Avoid excessive stress.

3. Take supplements such as vitamin E and C to reduce prostaglandin D₂ formation.

If stopping the damage done to the scalp by prostaglandin D₂ is enough to allow bald spots to grow hair again, those remedies may be more than preventative.

>>138514

Carroll, J. M., Crornpton, T., Seery, J. P., & Watt, F. M. (1997). Transgenic mice expressing IFN-γ in the epidermis have eczema, hair hypopigmentation, and hair loss. Journal of investigative dermatology, 108(4), 412-422.

https://doi.org/10.1111/1523-1747.ep12289702

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Ponzoni, M., & Cornaglia-Ferraris, P. (1993). Interferon-γ-stimulated and GTP-binding-proteins-mediated phospholipase A2 activation in human neuroblasts. Biochemical Journal, 294(3), 893-898.

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Liva, S. M., & Voskuhl, R. R. (2001). Testosterone acts directly on CD4+ T lymphocytes to increase IL-10 production. The Journal of Immunology, 167(4), 2060-2067.

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>>138508

I also recommended a diet higher in glycine with adequate vitamins A, D, & E (the other three fat soluble vitamins).

The basic foundation of high androgen levels is a high carbohydrate diet with generally low total fat intake and a high ratio of saturated to unsaturated fat.

>>138395

>>138399

Your beard might be turning ginger due to being bleached by the sun. If you beard is long enough, the hairs will be exposed to sunlight for a long enough time for them to lighten.

I have brown hair but when I wore it long the top of my hair, the part that was most exposed to sunlight also became lighter and more blonde/ginger

Why is it that so many men always think girls like on guys what guys like on girls. While everyone loves blue eyes, chicks prefer don't like platinum blonde on guys, they actually prefer dark brown. Unless you're a shitskin chaser, in that case, fucking neck yourself.

>>138407

They don't. They're basically 100% what southern Europeans were like from the EEF/ENF invasions 12 kya and before the PIE invasions of 7 kya

>>138466

Balding is triggered by testosterone, but your susceptibility is genetic. If you are not predisposed to balding, test won't make you bald

>>138393

>my "natural" hair color

The hair you have now is your natural color you insecure little faglet. Stop fetishizing muh blonde hair and be happy with what God gave you.

The amount of low-key to blatant self-hate some of you fags show over inane shit is mind-boggling sometimes.

>oh no I'm a couple cm below the national average

>muh hair/eye color

>does my nose make me look like a jew?

>do my nipples look like milk-duds?

It's like you fags are a bunch of women.

>>138393

https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Camomile-Natural-Lightening-Spray/dp/B006U111TC

There you go. You'll still never be white portugal

>>140695

shut up you fat ugly paki nigger

>>140699

>>140700

shut up you mutt 56% fucking ugly yankee doodle doo fuckers

>>140703

Enjoy your country getting raided by the smelly Pakis and negros you yell about.

OI AV U GOT A SHITPHOSTENG LOICENCE MATE?

>>138393

I know this feel. When I was like 5-6 my hair was almost white it was so blonde. Now it's this shit bland brown that makes me look like the pan-European amerimutt that I am

>>140730

For the second time in history lol

>>138466

lmao,dht and estradiol causes hair loss,not test