/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

>>138135

>I want to lose weight and fat as fast as possible, yet also want to get strong.

As fast as possible and get strong at the same time? No, it doesn't work like that. The fastest possible weight loss methods burn muscle, so you tend to get weaker during such a process. Fat loss methods that operate at a normal pace will allow you to gain strength at the same time. Building muscle is a fat loss strategy, because muscle tissue eats fat. So if you're new to this, you should just get your noob gains or keep developing from there for a little while before complicating matters. The quintessential fat loss method via diet is to decrease dietary fat intake, because fat cells contain… fat. (Amazing, right?) You can also increase the ratio of saturated to unsaturated fat in the fat that you do eat.

>>138136

Logic doesn't follow. Eating brown paint doesn't make you brown, eating fat doesn't make you fat. Fat keeps you full and you're psychologically forced not to eat too much of it. With fat you'll feel like you're at death's door, with carbs you can eat until you realize you don't have any more food. I'd say eat more fat and protein and decrease the carbs. Or more importantly, stop eating junk food and sweets. Eating more fat is also good for the fat encased in your skull.

>>138139

>Logic doesn't follow.

Nothing could be simpler. Fat cells contain triglycerides (fat). Dietary lipids are primarily triglycerides. Upon digestion they generally become free fatty acids. Then upon reaching fat cells they are esterified back into triglycerides for storage. Other than the minor transition from triglycerides to free fatty acids and back there is pretty much a direct translation of dietary fat to fat cells besides what is burned for energy or used as building materials. This straightforward contribution of dietary fat to body fat is impossible to argue against. Carbohydrates must undergoe de novo lipogenesis, a much more indirect process that tends to make primarily saturated fat which is healthier, used for repairing cells, and more easily burned for energy.

There is no scientific basis for carbohydrates being a primary contribution to body fat in a normal context, period. All arguments to the contrary require mental gymnastics, ignorance, and frequently hysteria. Some experiments on lab animals overstate the frequency of de novo lipogenesis, because the animals are fed poor diets where they constantly incur damage and premature aging from high polyunsaturated fat intake. De novo lipogenesis sometimes is up regulated to create saturated fat as a defense mechanism against the polyunsaturated fats and as handy building blocks to repair cell membranes. So getting a little fat from excess carbs means the body is taking an opportunity to reverse aging and protect itself.

Regardless of the science at hand, it's easiest to lose weight/cut fat before putting on muscle. After you've learned the science of that, you can attempt higher level activities beyond calories in vs calories out.

Until then though, you're a fag. Pursue fitness and eventually you will learn the truth.

>>138148

There are many processes associated with aging and the significance of telomeres alone is debated. Some of the major factors involved are: accumulation of heavy metals, accumulation of environmental toxins in general such as glyphosate, accumulation of polyunsaturated fats and their byproducts, prostaglandins, leukotrienes, incorporation of the wrong fats into the wrong structure, lipofuscin, rise of stress hormones, decline of antistress hormones, glycation caused by polyunsaturated fats, accumulation of undigested starch, and nutritional deficiency.

There is a general trend to accumulate random junk in aging. By consciously avoiding junk, metabolic processes are prevented from unnecessary interruption and healing of everyday damage continues.

>>138143

>Regardless of the science at hand, it's easiest to lose weight/cut fat before putting on muscle.

Not only is your statement unfounded, and the opposite is constantly acknowledged: muscle tissue eats fat, so having more muscle burns more fat.

>>138142

Yes, but the triglycerides have a lot of trouble getting into the adipocytes without insulin, the body's main anabolic hormone. Dietary fat causes an extremely tiny bump in insulin levels if any. Some proteins can cause a decent insulin spike, especially when eaten by someone who has elevated baseline insulin due to eating a carbohydrate rich diet. Protein ingestion also causes a rise in glucagon(the main insulin at the same time as the insulin rise, largely canceling it out. Carbohyrates raise insulin the most, and drive down glucagon.

The issue is not de novo lipogenesis. The issue is catabolism vs anabolism. Carbohydrates put you in an anabolic state. Weight loss is catabolic. The more carbs you consume, the more you fight an uphill battle. It's not a fluke that low carb diets have been used since the 1860's for easier weight loss. Shit, earlier than that really. Hippocrates himself said, "People who wish to become thin should let the foods be rich."

>>138158

>glucagon(the main insulin

*glucagon (the main insulin antagonist)

>>138158

>Carbohydrates put you in an anabolic state.

There is no basis for this statement. The major stress hormones cortisol and adrenaline are highly catabolic and one of their main purposes is gluconeogenesis (the creation of glucose) and this is often done by changing proteins into glucose. So cortisol and adrenaline burn muscle tissue to make glucose, and these hormones stay low as long as glucose is available. Glucose is the chief anticatabolic substance. Stress is catabolic and glucose being available prevents stress.

Regarding insulin, the problem is often potassium deficiency from the eating of refined foods that have lost their minerals. Potassium keeps insulin low by performing some of its functions.

>>138160

Also insulin can stay overly high from eating too much starch instead of sugar. Fructose does not raise insulin like glucose.

>>138160

>There is no basis for this statement.

>Glucose is the chief anticatabolic substance.

Pick one. Why do bodybuilders take whey protein with quick carbs after a workout? To raise insulin. Sugar raises insulin. Whey is the most insulingenic protein. It's a powerfully anabolic combination.

>The major stress hormones cortisol and adrenaline are highly catabolic and one of their main purposes is gluconeogenesis (the creation of glucose) and this is often done by changing proteins into glucose.

Cortisol and catecholamines are nowhere near as strong as insulin when it comes to anabolism/anticatabolism.

>>138162

Fructose is even more strongly linked to obesity and diabetes than glucose! Only the liver can metabolize fructose. You know what it does? It metabolizes it into glucose. It tries to use it to restore liver glycogen, then sends the rest to your old friend de novo lipogenesis. Fructose feeding increases de novo lipogenesis five fold. This fat is stored right there in the liver, causing fatty liver if fructose intake it too high. Alcohol is very similar. It metabolized by the liver into acetaldehyde, which ramps up de novo lipogenesis, which can lead to fatty liver. It's actually easier to get fatty liver from fructose than from alcohol.

>>138163

Good god I made a goof. I read anabolic as catabolic. Disregard my response.

>>138164

>>138162

>actually recommending sugar

How about you just shut the fuck up forever?

Jump on ketogenic diet and combine with 16/8 protocol intermittent fasting. Fasting 16 hours a day (8 of which when you sleep) and then you have an 8 hour window in which to eat. If you like, you can just eat one meal in this window OMAD (one meal a day) or have maybe 2 smaller meals over the 8 hours.

Try and do your training fasted too. Eating suppresses the HGH (human growth hormone) so when you train fasted you are maxing out the amount of muscle/strength you can build. Just re fasted training, make sure you stay well hydrated and if you're doing keto, keep your salt intake way up. Ideal pre workout on keto when intermittent fasting is a cup of chicken/beef bone broth with added salt about 1 hour before you train. 5g creatine monohydrate, maybe a black coffee too and you will be well on your way.

>>138142

Do you know what carbs become when you don't use them? Fat.

>>138167

Good advice. 8 hour window for eating is plenty. Don't snack during that time, just eat proper lunch and dinner. That gives 6 hour fast between meals, too. Some people take that 8 hour window to mean they can stuff whatever all the time with nasty results.