d39779 No.137843
Gotta shill for this book, it is excellent and I'd say groundbreaking even if true.
>obesity is hormonal problem, not calorie in-out problem
>insulin causes fat accumulation
>cortisol raises insulin
>avoid insulin, don't get fat
In short: don't skip on sleep, eat properly at proper times 0-3 times a day depending how you feel around dawn/midday/evening, stop snacking, avoid sugar like plague, do water fast from time to time, and don't eat processed foods.
Problem solved.
869942 No.137863
i can't help but feel like fung is just bullshitting people
55272d No.137874
>>137843
>obesity is hormonal problem, not calorie in-out problem
It's always the same shit with you fatties: muh genes, muh thyroid, muh hormones
Goddamn you fucking retards just love to blame every possible thing but your own eating habits
d39779 No.137876
>>137874
Yeah, "body positivity! we can't help it!" blobs should be removed from society, at least from public health care and churches.
But Fung is different. Did you even read rest of the post?
27c8a3 No.137877
>>137874
Good job retard, Fung says people have a hormonal problem because they have shitty eating habbits so in order to fix their hormonal problem they still have to eat healthy.
cb332b No.137879
>>137874
Fuck off retard. Fung says the problems are from the shitty food you put in your body, not "muh genetics"
a057f8 No.137889
>>137877
>>137876
>>137879
is this the new church of fung?
d39779 No.137925
>>137879
Shitty food and meal timing. Even before reading Obesity Code it was obvious if I keep stuffing myself I'd gain weight, so I fasted a bit which worked wonders. And to think how mainstream state sanctioned official advice now is to eat constantly 6-8 meals a day to lose weight! It feels like they are deliberately trying to kill people. They are so consistently wrong all the time.
d7bf97 No.137928
>>137874
Except hormones can affect your calorie in/out ratio. Fitness should be about getting that under control as well though, so when a fattie uses that argument, you can guarantee they are full of shit.
a0e112 No.137931
>>137928
Anyone who is obese these days isn't trying at all. If you are legit obese you can go to a doc and get prescribed phentermine (amphetamine) and have zero hunger. I have seen fat people go on it, and the fat melts away. Pretty sure it's off-patent at this point, so it's relatively cheap too.
13f5d3 No.137932
>>137931
>phentermine
Good luck finding a doc that will write you a prescription for that type of shit.
d39779 No.137939
>>137931
>Anyone who is obese these days isn't trying at all.
I tried and succeeded and failed and succeeded again and failed and so on. Usual story. It's not easy to keep off the weight no matter how much because you end up over exterting yourself. If I lost weight via huge increase in exercise I can't keep that amount of exercise on indefinitely. At some point overtraining hits you like a brick and then it's back to being fat in short order. That's a big problem. That's where Fung steps in to talk about the root issue of obesity.
It was particularly enlightening in that book how three things happened simultaneuosly in the west
>massive increase in hours spent on exercise
>calorie intake not much different from before
>massive increase in obesity
does not compute with those factors alone
50a97c No.137940
Is there a way to judge your insulin tolerance and potential for fatty liver? Are there genetic groups that are more susceptible?
5985a1 No.137943
>>137939
You have to stay at a particular weight for ~18 months for your body to consider it it's standard.
d39779 No.137944
>>137943
I've heard that. But are there any sources? My empirical failures tell otherwise.
4700ae No.137947
>>137932
Weight loss clinics do it all the time. If you are clinically obese it's easy to get it. Much better than getting a stomach stapling. It's not much stronger than ritalin, and any kid that pulls a c-grade in elementary can get it.
If you need to lose 10 lbs and think you can get it, no way.
>>137939
>does not compute with those factors alone
You are right. Other factors are newly sedentary lifestyle, move to desk jobs, prevalence of "fast food" and junk food. Oh, and the "fat is bad" diets.
Hormones are a part, but not the controlling part.
d39779 No.137961
>>137947
Hormones absolutely are the controlling part. They control at what point to stop eating to not feel either lethargic due too little food or stuffed due too much food. It's obvious.
They also control dealing with excess calories. Insulin generates fat, lack of it means no fat generation, insulin resistance means more insulin produced, so more fat generated.
f7ff8b No.138017
I had a phentermine prescription in high school. It worked great the first day, weakly on the second, and I had a full blown tolerance already by the third day. I've tried this with other stimulants like modafinil and ephedrine, and it always happens.
ea5b51 No.138021
>>137874
this
just eat less and do more exercise, lardarse
f7ff8b No.138023
>>138021
Fuckineh. And if planes generated more lift force than the force of gravity they wouldn't crash. It's that simple. I'm tired of the FAA, NTSB, and airline companies always making fucking excuses about muh maintenance and muh training. Pilot error? Just stop make excuses and generate more lift. The plane will fly just fine.
d39779 No.138030
>>138021
Like Fung points out, that advice has been preached for 50 years now. Pic related, results.
c77b05 No.138032
>>138030
>>138030
>Like Fung points out, that advice has been preached for 50 years now
The advice being preached is entirely different than it actually being followed lol. Majority of muricans are sedentary gluttons
d39779 No.138042
>>138032
According to stats you are incorrect. Percentage of people regularly doing exercise is way up. There was a time not too long ago when pumping iron was seen as unncecessary homosexual weirdo stuff.
Obesity is up due drastic changes in diet and eating habits. And we can curse you "eat less calories" idiots for low-fat craze. It's not calorie in-out problem. Sugar is uniquely bad as it stimulates liver insulin production, creating fatty liver, then pre-diabetes follows shortly and ultimately diabetes. Again hormonal problem.
Latest fad is to eat all the time which keeps insulin up all the time and insulin is what causes fat formation, not excess calories. Skinnyfats are result of that: they eat so little they manage to be even underweight, yet their body composure is more like a menopausal woman, unnaturally high bodyfat percentage in all the wrong places.
Fung makes perfect sense. Read the book.
c21610 No.138087
>>138042
>t. fung
I'm not gonna read your book, you can stop shilling it anytime now
d7bf97 No.138107
>>138042
>Percentage of people regularly doing exercise is way up.
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d39779 No.138112
>>138087
You can just pirate it you fucking dolt.
People are incredibly defensive over this. Atkins diet proved years ago calorie-in-out-move-more mantra isn't necessary. But heaven forbid if someone dares to point out calorie-in-out-move-more hasn't ever worked, not only momscience types get upset, but even /fit/izens who should know better.
What's your emotional reason to just cry bullshit and shill over and over again like? Or are you just retarded?
6c02fa No.138116
>>138042
>>138107
>Percentage of people regularly doing exercise is way up.
I believe that, however, I'd say that people have far more sedentary lifestyles now than they did, and the few more people exercising doesn't make up for that.
>"eat less calories"
Maybe I'm an "eat fewer calories" faggot, but never "less calories".
d39779 No.138119
>>138116
Point Fung makes about muh sedentary lifestyle is another obvious one: if you move more, you eat more automatically (if you allow yourself). Whenever I return from swimming, my appetite is enormous. Or if I stroll around city I get hungry sooner than sitting on my ass at home shitposting.
Thing about calories was fun read, yet hard pill to swallow, I admit. I never bought the "starvation mode" meme where reducing calories shrinks metabolism, but it is true (only full fasting is exempt from that rule).
d39779 No.138120
Here are most important things about insulin.
tldr pump someone full of insulin, doesn't matter how much calories victim will reduce, weight gain ensues. Same applies to fatsos with persistently high insulin secretion, they can't lose weight in lasting manner without getting insulin levels down first (= fast and stop snacking all the time).
Now reflect a bit on current year prescription of "eat 666 small meals a day" when it's insulin that causes fat accumulation and eating raises insulin. Basically they are now prescribing dietary equivalent of type 2 diabetes.
c38116 No.138121
>>138030
Well if you're an asshat that goes by BMI, yeah. The best way to calculate obesity is by calculating bodyfat %.
d39779 No.138122
>>138121
>BMI tells nothing 50% of americans are now more swole than Schwarzenegger in his prime you asshat
c38116 No.138123
>>138122
>I prefer not to keep up with the times because this chart says I'm in perfect health as a six-foot skeleton. Check how /fit/ I am, bruh.
2a2afa No.138125
>>138112
Athletes and bodybuilders do caloric in/out because it works. No need to be so butthurt
d39779 No.138137
>>138125
Nah. They are being TOLD it works, just like everyone else is told it works, and they trust whoever is telling them and obediently proceed to follow "advice". Entirely different story does it actually work and by extending sample size to entire population and many decades no it doesn't.
Which should be obvious because nobody's body looks or works like pic related (calorimeter which measures calorie content in material it burns via rise in water temperature).
You don't eat calories, your body doesn't burn anything like calorimeter does, and it doesn't boil water like calorimeter.
d39779 No.138138
>>137940
Get bloodwork done. Fung writes there are actually three different insulin resistance areas: brain, muscles and liver. Fastest way to fatty liver is to eat a lot eat sugar. I have no idea how to measure liver insulin, ask doc, report back.
7763a4 No.138141
>>138112
Just give it up, Fung. No one is going to buy your book (or torrent it for that matter).
78a3ab No.138144
Calories in vs calories out is not the whole truth, but it's enough to explain most cases. There's more to it, of course, though. The human body is a complex machine.
Calories in vs out is a useful and generally accurate metric, but there's much more at play here.
f7ff8b No.138155
>>138144
Bikman does a good job of explaining how calories-in-calories-out theory doesn't really conflict with the hormonal theory of obesity.
While I've never read Fung's books, I've watched a shitload of his youtube videos. One of the things he discusses is proximate cause vs ultimate cause. The proximate cause is calories-in-calories-out. The ultimate cause is that obesity is driven by hormone imbalance. This is then largely caused by improper meal timing and macronutrient ratios.
e9ac4c No.138170
The obesity code is a great read and probably one of the best books on fasting/health.
Also highly recommend you check out Brad Pilon's book, Eat, stop, Eat. Probably the best book I have read on the subject of fasting.
d7bf97 No.138188
>>138121
"normal" BMI generally ranges from 8-18% bf (male) unless you have tons of muscle mass. So unless you are a powerlifter, BMI is actually pretty accurate.
1b84ef No.138215
>>138125
Athletes and natty bodybuilders don't have fucked up hormones.
d39779 No.138224
>>138155
>One of the things he discusses is proximate cause vs ultimate cause. The proximate cause is calories-in-calories-out. The ultimate cause is that obesity is driven by hormone imbalance. This is then largely caused by improper meal timing and macronutrient ratios.
This. He slams snacking hard. Current "health expert" fad of 6-8 small meals a day on calorie deficit is basically prescribing type 2 diabetes. It's a wicked recipe for skinny fat phenomena if you think of it.
>eat constantly at deficit
>keep insulin constantly high
Leads to loss of muscle mass while generating body fat.
Which leads to good doctors deducing it's possible to be "healthy in every size", because there are seemingly skinny people with massive health problems that are usually seen in obese people only! It's a tragedy. I'd wager current talk of chronic fatigue syndrome is directly caused by this current year standard practice.
I'm not sure why doctors as a rule of thumb always give the worst possible advice, they have been doing it at least since low-fat fad, and as time progresses their standard advice just gets worse. Now we have combination of "low-fat + many snack meals + calorie deficit" as standard advice. I can't even imagine next step, can it even get any worse than this.
d7bf97 No.138276
>>138155
neither one is really "wrong". too many calories leads to insulin spikes one way or another and vice versa.
>>138224
Some people have got /fit/ eating many meals a day, but it doesn't work for everybody. If your doctor prescribes that to everybody, then your doctor is probably shit.
d39779 No.138443
>>138276
Eating fat doesn't spike insulin. That's why Atkins works. Still yeah, meals generally spike insulin because nobody wants to eat only butter. Which is why you shouldn't eat all the time. Three meals max with no snacking should suffice.
Some people also lost a lot of weight on eat-less-move-more program to the extreme, but Biggest Loser had 96% failure rate long term if I remember correctly with most returning near starting weight. Which is why no reunion shows. Any fad works for a while.
f86fae No.138451
>>138224
>Current "health expert" fad of 6-8 small meals a day on calorie deficit is basically prescribing type 2 diabetes.
Complete nonsense divorced from reality. Countless animal species show that frequent eaters are skinny, fast moving, have a fast metabolic rate, and are the opposite of diabetic. Humans are no exception until we increase fat intake in ways that no animals are capable of doing.
d39779 No.138452
>>138451
We are not those animals.
f86fae No.138454
>>138452
We are not fundamentally different from those animals. There is a reason some people get fast and skinny.
d39779 No.138455
>>138454
We are still not those animals so your point is not point by default, but what animals you are referring to out of curiosity? Whales? Ants? Cows? Wolfs? Rabbits? Orangutans? Bears? Rats? Small birds?
f86fae No.138458
>>138455
Fruit and nectar eaters. A somewhat reductionist view is: Sugar modulates basal metabolic rate. Protein modulates size.
Steady eating of carbs gives steady speed. Steady eating of protein gives steady growth. Look at hummingbirds and bees. Their diets are overwhelmingly in favor of sugar and little protein. Monkeys are fast, but they get a more balanced diet so they get bigger. Cheetahs are fast, but only in short bursts. Bees are fast 24/7. Whales are the largest animals and they spend their time eating whole animals.
d39779 No.138459
>>138458
Right. Well then, go be healthy drinking sugar water all day long like hummingbird you are. I recommend pic related. Good luck!
51e988 No.138470
>>138459
Fruit is the way of fast primates and that's exactly what I eat throughout the day.
5985a1 No.138474
>>138451
Only herbivores constantly eat.
d39779 No.138488
>>138470
Colibris and bees don't eat fruit, they drink nectar and look how fast they are 24/7. Drink sugar water all the time like them, your biology isn't that different to them according to you. A lot of sugary sodas amd juices to choose from, try to drink at least 4 litres a day to get really quick and lean, that's how it works according to you.