/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

I don't eat wheat because of the opiates in gluten and delicious modern additives such as aluminum, bromine, and dangerous forms of iron. I don't eat tomato sauce because unless I made it myself, it likely came in contact with metal surfaces. The acidity of tomatoes makes it easy for wonderful things like aluminum, lead, nickel, and chromium to leech into the sauce. I wouldn't eat pizza anyways if the above problems were addressed, because carcinogenic/diabetogenic vegetable oils were likely used to cook it.

eat meatzza instead

>>137683

I'll eat cheese and meat and occasionally a fresh tomato slice, but there's still no reason for me to eat society's poisons. It's like the fall of Rome where they had lead plumbing. Bread at its best will still elevate prolactin and cause constipation with its opioids.

Look up flour and Greek yogurt dough. I've cooked with organic whole wheat flour and it comes out nice.

> What's a healthy carb and fat sandwich?

Sorry bro, you can have pizza as a treat, but you can't make it healthy. If it's healthy, it's not pizza.

>>137689

Of course, as we all know, fat is why people are fat. Eat as many calories as you can! You won't get fat, as long as there's no fat!

>>137692

This is unironically basically true. It's very hard to hit the threshold on a well controlled extremely low fat diet where you actually gain fat. You're just ignorant is all.

>>137673

mushrooms, olives and Anchovis.

fresh cheese and whole wheat unprocessed dough.

>>137699

>whole wheat unprocessed dough

In other words, garbage. Wheat is the curse civilization.

>>137700

>Wheat is the curse civilization.

Actually it's literally the exact opposite

>>137707

Tell me why I should tolerate the elevated prolactin (cause of gyno) and autism symptoms from gluten exorphins or the elevated brain histamine that may play a role in schizophrenia. The idea of mast cells going to the brain to release histamine has been around since at least 1977, and gluten causes mast cells to release histamine. Histamine not only has a potential role in schizophrenia but also decreases learning. There are real opioids in gluten. I prefer not to be stoned out like I'm on opium-lite and constipated. Wheat is the curse of civilization because it creates stoned, malnourished zombies (good little worker bees). That's just what I need in my serfs, so keep on eating it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0920996494000346>>137707

https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03335312

>>137709

Wheat has been the cornerstone of basically all western food since before the middle ages. It's because of crops like wheat and its high yield that so many people are able to survive

I'm not going to argue the rest of your autism, you're free to your own interpretation.

>>137710

Yes, but what you just said contradicts nothing I said. You're free to label scientific facts "autism" when they say something unpleasant about your favorite foods, but that doesn't change how wheat is a joke for "food" when alternatives are available. I'd also argue the kind of civilization it supports is not worth having. I'd rather have the company of a noble minded independent thinkers than a sea of barely awake drones.

>>137712

No, I think you misunderstood. Wheat is the curse of civilization is saying civilization is a curse and wheat is what fuels civilization.

>>137713

>>137712

I actually meant both meanings from the outset. Also gluten is part of this discussion. It's not some random thing. Wheat entails gluten, and pizza usually entails wheat.

>>137692

>Hur dur, fat is bad!

If you can make pizza fit in your diet, more power to you. I can't while getting enough protein. Therefore, it's a shit food. I also can't hit my macros eating fast food hamburgers.

>>137693

Yeah, I don't eat low fat, but I do count my calories, and I can't make my macros eating pizza.

>>137682

>I don't eat wheat because of the opiates in gluten

you'd best tell those Russians addicted to krokodil that, it would save them a lot of flesh

>modern additives such as aluminum, bromine, and dangerous forms of iron

I'm only concerned about pesticides, so I buy organic to try to minimize the harm from that, not much else to do really

>I don't eat tomato sauce because unless I made it myself, it likely came in contact with metal surfaces

What's wrong with metal surfaces? Plastic is xenoestrogenic cancer, of course, but metal should be fine. Do you refuse to eat anything that has touched anything but flesh, wood and ceramic? What do you even eat?

>>137699

>whole wheat

"Whole wheat" is actually bullshit, "whole grain" is what you're thinking of. "Whole grain" is actually the whole grain, "whole wheat" is basically white flour with some bran mixed it to color it as if it were whole grain. Also, "whole grain" can mean 75% or something, so "100% whole grain" is the ideal.

>>137711

>wheat is a joke for "food" when alternatives are available

What do you eat, then? IMO, 100% grass-fed beef should be the staple of every white man's diet. Wild-caught Atlantic/freshwater fish and game meat are great too, as are organic pastured/heritage eggs. Organic wheat/white rice (avoid brown rice as rice brain is a DHT inhibitor)/potatoes are sources of carbs for energy and you should eat lots of vegetables too, that's there all the alleged health benefits of veganfaggotry come from. 100% grass-fed non-homogenized whole raw dairy products are good sources of macronutrients for bulking and are very valuable in a culinary context. 100% grass-fed ghee and organic coconut oil are ideal cooking fats, with olive oil being a nice fat to add to things like salads that you're not heating.

>>137730

>What's wrong with metal surfaces? Plastic is xenoestrogenic cancer, of course, but metal should be fine. Do you refuse to eat anything that has touched anything but flesh, wood and ceramic? What do you even eat?

The problem I see is where there is risk of excessive leaching of heavy metals or toxins into the food. This is usually an issue when food is acidic. For example, cooking in stainless steel is fairly safe but an acidic food touching that will probably put a not insignificant amount of nickel (also depends on composition of the stainless steel) into the food. The only acidic foods I eat are citrus fruits/orange juice. My orange juice comes in a cardboard carton. The safe way to process something like tomato sauce is on (lead free) glass surfaces and to perhaps include an alkalizing step such as adding baking soda or calcium carbonate. Obviously it's difficult to avoid all plastics in a food context when shopping at a modern grocery store, but I don't drink from plastic water bottles as they are transported on hot truck trailers and exposed to sunlight at whim to the degree that I expect a decent amount of plastic to have leached into the water from partial melting.

>What do you eat, then?

Many things. Wheat isn't irreplaceable, but as far as carbs go I get a lot from fruit sources and milk, but I do also eat starch sources such as white rice and potatoes. Just about every situation in which a person on a regular Western diet has bread, I am eating dates instead. I am constantly loaded up on minerals via date eating and drinking milk/coffee.

If you like the psychological effects of coffee, it might be because of its ability to antagonize the effects of opioids in the diet:

• Boublik, J. H., et al. Coffee contains potent opiate receptor binding activity. Nature 301.5897 (1983): 246.

☞ https://doi.org/10.1038/301246a0

>We report here that instant coffee powders from a variety of manufacturers compete with tritiated naloxone for binding to opiate receptors in the rat brain membrane preparations, with no significant difference between normal and decaffeinated coffee. The receptor binding activity resembles that seen with opiate antagonists, in that there was no change in the half-maximal effective dose (ED50) in the presence of 100 mM Na+; on bioassay, the activity was similarly shown to be antagonistic and specific for opiate-induced inhibition of twitch.

• De Paulis, Tomas, et al. 4-Caffeoyl-1, 5-quinide in roasted coffee inhibits [3 H] naloxone binding and reverses anti-nociceptive effects of morphine in mice. Psychopharmacology 176.2 (2004): 146-153.

☞ https://doi.org/10.1007/s00213-004-1876-9

>These results suggest that the previously reported anti-opioid activity of instant coffee is caused primarily by the presence of 4-CQL, and to lesser extent by other cinnamoyl-1,5-quinides.

• Guzzo, Luciana S., et al. Cafestol, a coffee‐specific diterpene, induces peripheral antinociception mediated by endogenous opioid peptides. Clinical and Experimental Pharmacology and Physiology 39.5 (2012): 412-416.

☞ https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1440-1681.2012.05689.x

>>137745

>excessive leaching of heavy metals or toxins into the food

Isn't your beloved FDA supposed to exactly check this type of things?

>>137747

Not my beloved. The FDA is a whore to corporate influence, and even when they have good intentions, the FDA isn't god. They can't exactly micromanage every detail of food processing from factory to plate, and it is precisely these kinds of details which are set aside as unimportant to the vast majority of society. This manner of slow but steady tiny doses of heavy metals (which accumulate in tissues) is one of the chief causes of aging in humans and animals (not necessarily just through tomato sauce but rather varied sources). If there existed an agency of the United States government which truly cared about the health and well being of its citizens, then many varieties of cookware would be outright illegal due to the toxins and contaminants they put into food through casual usage. Lead can still be found in cookware in very questionable amounts.

>>137747

Btw, if we really went down this road of ensuring the health of society, we'd soon find aluminum outright banned from all food contexts. Lots of people with lots of money wouldn't like that at all.

>>137673

For my fucking plate not to be dripping with grease. That and a nice light and crispy crust is god-tier.

>>137707

Wheat is useful to feed a large population in a limited space, but that doesn't mean it's healthy for the individual.

>>137747

The FDA is bullshit. Always behind the curve and susceptible to corporate "lobbying."