/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

>>135130

>calisthenics

"Calisthenics" can mean a lot of things. For some, it's as mundane as push-ups and jumping jacks, but for others it goes into the realm of gymnastics—though perhaps just minus the flips and style while keeping simple movements. Is it any surprise to you that gymnasts have excellent physiques? Would it surprise you if they still managed excellent physiques without putting on an entertaining show? The pictured man has claimed nothing out of the ordinary, and his kyphotic posture could be seen as supporting evidence of a lack of traditional barbell weight training. If he had deadlifts and front squats in his program with less emphasis on creating an abnormally tight rectus abdominis, it is less likely that his back would appear hunched over.

>>135140

Hes the guy from Old School Calithestics literally what he calls his website. I don't see any gymnastics just basic bodyweight compounds done at high volume with or without weights.

>>135144

Wow an American being rude and ignorant to someone based on their country haven't see that before. No wonder everyone loves the U S of A! Anyways I question how big you can get naturally with bodyweight routines. You ever see most of those guys? Scrawny and skinnyfat. Didn't Kali Muscle for awhile claim he built his physique in prison naturally with bodyweight exercises? I'll give you E for effort.

>>135141

If you are natty and a genetic freak maybe its possible.

http://nattyornot.com/building-massive-muscles-with-calisthenics-can-it-happen-or-are-they-lying-to-you-again/

http://nattyornot.com/the-calisthenics-illusion-bodyweight-exercises-wont-make-you-super-big/

>>135144

>grey hair

>sculpted physique

I'm calling it TRT.

>>135167

Calisthenics doesn't imply the non-use of weights.

Weighted belts and vests are often used in training sessions.

>when you compare Calisthenics to serious weightliftingsports, it just simply doesn't hold it's ground

Have you seen Gymnasts? They may not be roid-swole, but they sure are big and defined. Besides, they also spend a lot more time on their bodies.

>>135168

as soon as you add weights to an exercise, it's not bodyweight anymore. According to the wiki, calisthenics is bodyweight only. Hence weighted Dips, Curls, etc. are not deemed calisthenicmovements. If we use your definition of calisthenics, then a bicepcurl or deadlift should be deemed a calisthenicmovement aswell. Those weighted vests etc are used because to progress your bodyweight isn't simply enough anymore to provide hypertrophy at a certain point, hence they have to resort to weights, which was my main point all along.

<swole Gymnasts

tell me their raw total instead of an subjective appearance. The guy in the pic isn't impressive after 15 years of training compared to weightlifters. Compare a peak athlete of calisthenics with an peak athlete of another liftingsport, Pete Rubish for example.

>>135167

You're statement is thrown out the window as soon as you brought in gymnastics/disadvantageous leverages.

The issue is that most of these movements are done slower, at a "jogging" pace. If they did these movements as quickly as possible and treated it like a 'sprint', they would get jacked. I don't see anyone doing 3 squats a second for 30 seconds, resting 45 seconds, then doing it again for 4 more rounds. Everything you said was bullshit based on that fact that people don't know how to physically train in general.

>>135169

>>135167

I agree. Also it's damn near impossible to replace barbell squats and deadlifts with bodyweight equivalents. You can argue you can work upper body with weighted calisthenics (ie weighted dips, weighted pull ups, etc) but when it comes to lower body you need weights.

>>135130

This video breaks down the pros and cons of each style pretty well.

>b-but my maymay bullshit

If you faggots spent more time working on your nutrition and working out and less time consuming dank memes you’d already have made it.

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>>135179

Video gives a pretty decent rundown but I have two major issues

>weight training is just the same few lifts over and over with no variation or creativity

Clearly bullshit there are hundreds of different lifts and dozens of variations for each major lift.

In fact any well designed intermediate/advanced program should have a good bit of variety built in not to mention you don't usually do the same program over and over forever.

Also most of the interesting calisthenic stuff requires you to already be at least reasonably strong, lean and flexible.

>no mention of speed of progress or natural limits

Lifting is by far the fastest way to see results, you can completely transform your body in 6 to 12 months of dedicated work. Calisthenics progression is MUCH slower and more difficult in general since its less granular.

You will also plateau much sooner you can basically achieve ottermode but you can't get really massive.

So basically the only reason to do calisthenics is if you don't have access to a real gym for whatever reason.

>>135168

>Have you seen Gymnasts?

If you think professional gymnasts got those arms and shoulders doing calisthenics and not lifting heavy ass weights then I have bridge to sell you.