No.132667
What does /fit/ think of using steroids as a noob? I'm trying everything to jumpstart something with my life but it's so hard when I have no social life and shit genetics. The only thing I'm worried about is how it might effect my brain negatively, I don't really give a shit about having a heart-attack in my 30's.
Every other forum I read (I've been considering this on-off for two years) thinks it's retarded and you need to lift heavily for 1, 2, even 3 years before trying, but I don't think they truly understand how hopeless this. I'm not going to be encouraged when I have 2 inch wrists and baby hands and a girls body.
No.132668
>>132667
> babby is getting steroids before even starting lifting
just don't, get to the fucking gym faggot
No.132669
>>132667
Starting with steriods will grow your muscles so fast your tendons will not be able to keep up. Its a one-way ticket to snap city famalamadingdong. Start going to the gym, read the fucking sticky and just move. I understand you want to throw your life around, but that is not something you can do 1-2-3. You'll need to identify the problems in your life and tackle them one by one, not all at once in a herculean effort of will that will break anyone. And a big chance that your genetics arent as bad as you think, they are just obfusctaed by a shit diet and lifestyle.
I assume you're a dyel skellington.
Now the things you are going are these:
>Exercise:
3x10 pushups with proper form (elbows pointing backwards) every day
A daily walk in the sun (outside if its cloudy) You'll feel much better if your vit D levels have stabilised
Some for of cardio: swimming ropeskipping idc, whatever you fancy.
>Diet
Cut out all soda and candy. Never eat/drink it again If you're hungry for a snack eat a raw carrot or apple or smth. Drink water/tea/coffee/milk if you're thirsty. Beer has the same calories as soda, and alcohol is bad for your test, so dont get blackout drunk every evening.
When the above things have become habit, you can move on to the next level:
>Exercise:
Go to the gym, do a beginner program that is based around compound lifts. If the main lifts arent compound, its a bad program. If you're unsure about your form/ an exercise, ask in the gym. This will help with social skills too
>Diet:
No more fastfood. Never
>misc:
Nofap works if you fap more than twice a week
Meditation can help too
If you have done all of the above, every phase expecting to take a month, you'll feel much better in two months.
No.132671
>>132667
>girls body
Have you consider trap mode? Prolly work out better for you than roids.
Thing about juice is you still need to lift and eat. The roids help your body recover and grow muscle but you still
Need to do the work. As a noob you’ll see as much gainz just from being new with or without gear.
No.132673
>>132668
no
>>132669
most people with problems like mine have their issues spotted early and are forced into a situation where they absolutely have to deal with it. I'm not in that environment any more, I'm an adult and I can't be forced into anything. At least with steroids I'd know I'd be wasting money and potential improvement if I don't do something.
>No more fastfood. Never
Why this? Lately I've been eating McDonald's hamburgers and it seems like good, clean food.
In your opinion, how much should I be able to lift before roiding is ok? What's wrong with starting out small around 200mg test /week?
>>132671
I unironically have the genetics to be a perfect trap. 5'2, tiny frame, feminine fat distribution (in my teens I had a massive ass and wouldn't be considered fat from the waist up). Unfortunately I'm not gay and trannies make me feel like puking.
>you still Need to do the work
You literally don't need to do anything. They've done studies and proved you put on more muscle on a using steroids and not excersising than not using steroids and doing a weightlifting program. It goes:
not exercising
exercising
no exercising + steroids
exercising + steroids
Anon is right there's likely a much greater risk of injuring yourself and for people who are fat I think there are other issues involved, but the idea that there's no reason to roid as a beginner is silly.
No.132675
>>132673
Personally I'd never roid. But if you truly want to roid, see to it that you lift at least 1/2/3/4 pl8s. (OHP/Bench/Squat/deadlifts respectively) (1pl8 = 1 pl8 of 20kg/45 lbs each side of the bar). And even then, roiding can take you to snap city. Roids also fuck up your internal organs beyond the veins. In the end, its your choice. (also, noob gains will act as roids, the first months of lifting often see massive improvement, or you're doing something wrong.
>I cant be forced
You need to force yourself. Otherwise nothing will ever happen. Do no think that freedom, happiness or life are just a gift from the heavens. Everything is rooted in your own will and your own labor. In yourself alone lies your future. Having a gym subscription is also wasting your money if you dont use it.
And fastfood is everything except clean and healthy, it is enormously processed, laden with fat and sugars without any healthy nutrients. And it wont cost much to cook your own meals, just google some student meals with rice and chicken. Add some greens (cooked broccoli is fantastic) and you ahve a healthy meal. Of course, your destroyed palette will not like healthy food for the first months you eat it, but it is certainly worth it.
No.132702
>>132673
>At least with steroids I'd know I'd be wasting money and potential improvement if I don't do something.
Wait, you think you're wasting money by NOT using steroids? Do you have any idea how expensive that shit is?
>In your opinion, how much should I be able to lift before roiding is ok? What's wrong with starting out small around 200mg test /week?
And you're not even starting out with the right shit. Don't bother until you're VERY well versed on the subject. You haven't even stepped foot in a gym for fuck's sake. Get through your noob gains, perfect your form, do your homework, maybe resolve your body image issues (spoiler alert: nothing you can lift or inject will make you 6'2"), and maybe in a year come back and decide if you want to use whoremoans.
No.132707
Some pregnenolone seems safe if you just want to be an impatient, uneducated bundle of desperation and tears.
No.132720
>>132702
whoa this one hit too hard anon pls go easy on me
No.132721
if you're so worried about soy and milk and meat and eggs and hairloss meds and finasteride for all those hormones and awful side effects you should be shitting your pants in fear about steroids, as it's the most cucked way to fuck your health up in a thousand different ways while shrinking your balls and giving you bitch tits. steroids are the biggest loser method. 0/10 would never try. stay away or you are totally retarded.
No.132723
>>132667
I'll post some guides for you.
A "Whole, Unprocessed Plant Based Diet" "(Vegan Diet)" of vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, beans, herbs, and spices etc., with b12 methylcobalamin and D3 cholecalciferol as supplements that has been formulated properly to be nutritionally balanced and nutritionally complete is healthier and superior in every way vs a "Standard American Diet" of processed foods, refined sugar, excessive caffeine, excessive sugar, excessive sodium, excessive oil, high fructose corn syrup, bleached flour, simple carbs (bread, pasta), fried and other greasy foods, steak, fish, eggs, meat, milk, chicken, lard, butter, cheese, fast food, restaurant food, and other animal products.
(((shills))) want you to think eating healthy is bad and want to associate any style of fitness or good health with the negative or any concept they percieve that others may look down upon. "hey you eat plants? Haha look at this guy he's so healthy! wow you're GAY!" ASK YOURSELF WHERE THE MONEY GOES WHEN YOU GET HEALTH PROBLEMS.
>heart disease
>diabetes
>high cholesterol
>heart attack
>stroke
>atherosclerosis
>arthritis
>high blood pressure
>obesity
all these diseases require doctors to prescribe billions of dollars of (((pharmaceutical prescription drugs))) every year.
There is nothing wrong with eating a Plant Based Diet. It is okay to be Vegan. It is a great and wonderful thing to share knowledge and information on how to create a Nutritionally Balanced Vegan Whole Plant Food Diet. There is nothing wrong with sharing vegan recipes. We are Right, We are Superior, We are Healthier, We are Not sorry.
anti-vegan (((globalist corporate establishement shills))) ETERNALLY CUCKED.
The healthiest foods in the world are plant foods.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=SnqVN56EjrM
THERE ARE NO EXCUSES. THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing or stopping anything.
No.132724
>>132667
switch to a natural fluoride free toothpaste from wholefoods or something because fluoride fucks with your thyroid and hormones and endocrine system and it could and probably does cause cancer in a lot of people as a result and they probably never realize why, but besides that the hormone fuckery is enough to make you get fat and stay fat for no good reason. stop using teflon, copper, and aluminum pans and other cookware and use only pyrex and stainless steel cookware. make sure your spoons/forks/knifes are stainless steel too.
stop using storebought deodorant full of aluminum and other shit and make your own.
>add witches hazel
>add spearmint oil and tea tree oil, maybe also rosemary and eucalyptus and other essential oils
>put it in a spray bottle and shake it up.
>if you still stink, find and add pure food grade magnesium chloride (what they add to firm tofu) at like a teaspoon per batch. (less than 10% of the bottle vs other ingredients)
stop using laundry detergent and fabric softener and buy that natural organic stuff in the giant green bottle.
stop using house/car freshners and plugins and fuhbreeze spray bullshit all over your fucking house. hang little cotton bags of lavender flowers and cloves/cinnamon sticks instead.
stop dying your hair with harsh chemicals
stop using makeup that is full of chemicals.
stop using shampoo and soap full of chemicals.
stop using lotion and moisturizer with chemicals.
there is better natural hair and skin care and makeup products out there.
bathe with castile soap/african black soap and baking soda (aluminum free) and white vinegar. moisturize your skin with coconut oil/un-refined shea butter. brush your hair with small amounts of coconut oil as conditioner and trim your ends often.
No.132725
>>132667
if you eat garbage food and have acne, stop eating that and switch to a plant based diet and drink alot of water and sleep with a clean towel over your pillow every night.
if you have a cell phone, put it on speaker and hold it away from your body when talking. don't use bluetooth or wireless headsets because it's the same thing as having it up in your face. don't sleep with your wifi router next to your bed, keep it in another room.
stop holding your fucking cellphone in between your boobs. fucking stop, it isn't cute.
stop carrying your cell phone near your crotch or in your back pocket. turn the phone off to the best of your ability and find a cheap cell signal blocking fabric velcro pocket case to keep it in and then turned off, put it in your pocket. I don't care if this reduces the entire country to a society of people who "beep" each other with instant text messages that check their phone every few minutes or once per hour, just fucking make the change.
No.132726
>>132667
stop using sunscreen full of cancer causing chemicals. get a very very big hat that casts your whole body in shade and eat alot of antioxidant rich foods every day so that you have internal sunblock (look this up)
buy non-gmo and local organic/non-gmo foods to avoid as much pesticide exposure as possible. don't buy from a local farm that can't prove it's organic or non-gmo or pesticide free, because they are probably full of shit or working for monsanto or conagra or dupont or syngenta etc. and possibly buying their things from them. find the cheapest things at wholefoods, and don't buy the scams. buying food online is also a good option.
when you drive your car or ride as a passenger suggest to leave the windows closed and use the air conditioner inside with "air circulate recycle" on inside so you breath interior air only so that you don't breath the exaust of the passing 400 different cars on the road/highway.
No.132727
>>132667
stay away from people who smoke.
don't stand near the microwave or induction cooktops, better yet don't even eat food or drink water that comes from them, ever. (induction cooktops are like cucked electric stoves with flat microwaves inside them, and where the fuck's the door?)
don't eat at any fucking restaurants ever because you have no damn idea the things they do to your food back there or the bullshit the corporations allow added to the food.
quote from an anon in the thread:
>Don't sleep on a bed, sleep on a semi-hard surface such as a carpet or a hard floor with a blanket even a hammock, don't use pillows, don't lay on the stomach, lay on your back or sides. This is to actually let your body rest. If you are on a soft bed then your body can't relax because you aren't being supported by the skeletal system, rather, its just soft enough that your muscles can't entirely relax.
No.132728
>>132667
>Also bedsprings are coils, which are actually used in most radio technology so your bed (if is boxspring) is picking up radio signals from all over. If you have to use a bed hard foam is the best. I prefer hammock myself.
>there are even some people that make their own home made hammock beds. they get the hammock rope type material and stretch it out in a giant flat bed shape on a wood frame. I have seen guides for this all over https://hooktube.com/ and it's better than a hammock because it lets you lie down more flat than a hammock. beware that these are all home made builds and nobody has any idea how severely dangerous they may be. also remember that anything that's a hammock or like a hammock or involving ropes is extremely dangerous for babies and small children and the elderly (and everyone else too)
quote from another anon:
>Another good option I recommend is a buckwheat hull or millet hull mattress. Basically an organic cotton sack full of them sold pre made or in kits. The feel like sleeping on a sandy beach so your bones will slow your muscles to relax but it still adjusts if you roll over. They feel great I highly recommend them. you can also make pillows out of this by buying the cotton pillowcases and filling them yourself and stitching them shut. some people even like to add lavender, mugwort, cinnamon sticks, and cloves to the pillow for the nice smells (not recommended for people who are allergic or have health problems)
No.132729
>>132667
stop reusing plastic containers and bottles that aren't meant to be reused.
stop using plastic containers and bottles that you aren't sure what kind of plastic they are made of.
stop microwaving or heating any kinds of plastic, and also stop leaving plastic inside your car.
if there is any plastic in your life, make sure that it's BPA and BPS free, or at the very least make sure it IS made out of HDPE (high density polyethylene) which is among some of the less dangerous plastics if you use it properly and don't abuse it.
if you buy something and touch the receipt paper and then eat food your blood levels of bpa sky rocket so wash your hands before eating.
always read the ingredients on everything before you buy it, no excuses.
ALL these things add up. people wonder like fucking retards why they get all these problems but they can't even begin to realize all the horrible things they are getting cucked with as a result of evil people taking advantage of their ignorance.
I'm Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing or stopping anything.
No.132730
>>132667
https://archive.is/lUlV2
https://archive.is/CzYIW
https://archive.is/4xeFQ
the vast majority of pro-vaccine people are shills for big pharma that want your money. they push vaccine propaganda so you get loaded up with mercury and get fucked up.
No.132731
>>132667
vaccines aren't bad, in fact they are a wondeful invention and save lives but it's what they are made out of and how they are made that is very bad. if they could improve their formula, and yes they know how to and intentionally choose not to, then people could get the protection they need by using vaccines while avoiding more of the risks involved like going blind or turning permanently retarded or suddenly dying. can you imagine what that's like for a parent who's kid gets fucked over because of a shot?
>hue hue goyim get your multi-monthly flu vaccine at your local pharmacy!
>hey hue hue goyim it's flu season it's early this year
>hue hue goyim it's another flu season just a few weeks or months after the first flu season we just invented another flu season out of nowhere
>hue hue goyim get injected with more thimerosol mercury its another flu season only $20 at your local pharmacy hue hue cmon get injected bitch
>hue hue goyim why are you not happy just give us money and get poisoned
No.132734
>>132731
>that image
All you have to do is tell people anti-depressants kill your libido and make you unable to orgasm. Even kissless virgins want to be able to jerk off.
No.132735
>>132724
>>132723
>>132725
>>132726
>>132727
>>132728
>>132729
>>132730
>>132731
I see you were too busy playing Jehovha's Witness again to decide if you wanted to have an intelligent discussion about steroid usage.
What the fuck is wrong with you? I swear to god, you must be a vegan—not because of a sound mind and diligently collected evidence—but rather because your brain is rotting or else you wouldn't be spamming this same copypasta over and over—this time in thread about steroids of all things. Did babby get his diapers in a bunch when he witnessed an anonymous poster was contemplating not being a straight edge, anemic bean dumpster too busy farting to get a bigger grasp on life and how to live it?
I like to tell people things repeatedly too but usually because it's relevant. You want to shill veganism in a steroid thread? Tell us how the fuck it relates to steroid usage. Protip: It doesn't, but typical veganism does harm endogenous hormone production. Consider suicide or eating some more beans until you fall over dead.
No.132743
Had to do trt cuz test was low. Figured fuck it, go high, then I threw some tren in. This is me after 2 workouts (worked out a bit before but had no willpower). Did another just now and my tris are coming in in whole new ways. Results will blow you away. Do it if you want results, but don't skyrocket up to new 1 rep max lifts every week. Be careful, time under tension, rest and sleep. Watch the tendons. I'm already near world level pro BB bicep size. Can't wait to see where I get.
No.132744
>>132743
But I will say, no one seems to advise this. I went against common advice and have enjoyed the results. Your milage may very.
No.132759
>>132707
the fuck is pregnenelone
No.132854
>>132735
…
>>132842
besides your spam my posts are related for two reasons:
OP wants to get healthy and big and wants to try steroids
>1. I'm showing OP the dangers of a system designed by globalists that pushes people towards making bad decisions like taking drugs to educate OP so that they know not just how, but why to avoid it
>2. I'm showing OP what they SHOULD do if they want to see success.
No.132856
>>132743
oh boy, just wait until you stop taking it and it all deflates along with your balls. please stop before it's too late anon. get big by actually doing real exercise and learn from people who know how to do it the right way. it's worth doing the right way.
No.132868
>>132854
Tell us what you actually think about steroids. Philosophize a little. Quote a study or too.
No wait. Post that copypasta again. Nobody has seen it yet, and I'm dying to read it again.
No.132882
>>132868
is this fucker actually defending steroid use?
No.132889
>>132882
Eh. I could go either way on the topic. They aren't a bad idea for people that just want results and can't be bothered to learn something more advanced. You could probably save a life with the right steroids, like progesterone or pregnenolone. Either way, there's nothing morally wrong. I don't see the point in limiting myself or others, because I have no religious convictions or mental hangups against whatever chemical means necessary to accomplish a goal and won't get jealous at someone else doing it. Some people might lament over some sort of pride issue if they used steroids to meet some end, but I wouldn't. I don't take them, because I am expanding in other areas of expertise and think good food comes first. At this point caffeine, aspirin, and testosterone are all in the same bag to me though.
No.132906
>>132882
My FSH and probably LH/hcg were all fucked to begin with. Doc said exogenous test wouldn't suppress me further. My balls are basically the same size, maybe a it smaller. The effect is negligible. I Reread op's post, he's almost certainly low test. I change my recommendation to yes. By the way, my wrists grew like 2 inches and I got about an inch taller in my 20s (bone decompression probably) do it OP. You won't gain with shit test. I know it and so do you.
No.132910
>>132889
I can't believe you're even trying to be serious about this. forget pride, it's about the fact that anyone who does it is fucking up their body plain and simple.
No.132911
>>132906
what the fuck, really? just drink onion juice, eat more onions and garlic, eat broccoli, eat oats and do squats, cut out thyroid disruptors like fluoride.
No.132912
>>132911
I'm Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing or stopping anything.
No.132914
>>132910
>anyone who does it is fucking up their body plain and simple.
Nonsense. The only people who believe that dogmatically are subscribing to some sort of naturalistic fallacy.
No.132917
>>132911
Thanks for the well-wishes but I had to struggle with a fairly serious health issues(don't wanna get into It) and I doubt that would really do anything. Also tbh, steroids, ime, are fucking awesome and I wouldn't want to go natty anyway. At this point I'm looking to work out consistently and maybe work up to peptides (maybe lr3-igf1 and peg-MGF) maybe even GH/slin. I've studied endocrinology and I'm nearing 30 so I know the risks, but I've also seen the rewards. A glute shot a week and I can rival Arnold (my forearms might even be bigger). If I'm serious here, how's this a question?
But much respect and best of luck to natty bros nonetheless. It is a big step and not one I'd recommend to all.
No.132918
>>132917
By the way anyone that wants to try steroids without fucking up your HPTA axis/serious sides might want to look into anavar or primobolan(if they can get legit primo) they're both used for underweight babies, burn victims and the elderly. That or SARMS maybe. You can embrace anabolic enhancement without really fucking up test output, but if you want big help you're gonna suppress your HPTA. Cycle, PCT, blast/cruise accordingly. Only blast and cruise if you're in it to win it, your HPTA will get curbstomped.
No.132932
>>132667
OP and the others pushing steroid use in this thread are all samefag shills
>>132914
you are putting something in your body that is known to cause health problems for a cheap short term reward like bigger muscles or some cheap high and trying to justify it to try to cover up your own guilt or to try to convince others to do the same as you because
>you feel guilt and if more people are doing what you are doing you will feel less bad because misery loves company
or
>you are the person that sells the steroids and want to make money by covertly shilling fake positive experiences from steroid use in order to boost steroid usage in hopes that more people from here will just happen to buy your product by pure chance because you're desperate/greedy/thirsty for money.
No.132933
>>132918
oh yea sell it baby! sell the product like you mean it! breaking (((badddddd)))
No.132962
>>132932
>>132933
Didn't know being natty made you so paranoid fam. Have fun gaining in one year what I gain in a month.
No.132996
>>132962
leaf anon, whats a good place to buy peds online?
No.132997
>>132996
Hmm, I buy domestic, so not sure on Aus - but try checking https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/australian-steroid-source-talk-part-72-a-54044.html
looks like there are a few vetted sources. If you want advice on a first cycle, I'd try maybe 500-750mg testosterone enanthate/cypionate a week(once or twice a week injections) maybe throw in a bit of dbol or anadrol but keep those 8 weeks or under for your liver. Your big gainers are test tren and deca, but I wouldn't throw tren or deca in a first cycle. Make sure you use aromasin to prevent bitch tits and run proper PCT. Eat a lot, sleep a lot, and train high volume for size. If you have any questions ask away. Safety first. Now go make Lee Priest proud.
No.133002
>>132997
Cool, what is the general price range for all that? I know it would be slightly different for you.
No.133009
>>133002
A 10ml vial of test e or c(250mg/ml) is usually just under 100, same vial of tren is maybe 110. I run a test/tren mix and to low 100s. So that's a ballpark. A pack or bottle of orals might be 40-100(depends a lot on what you're getting) these prices are in CDN.
No.133010
>>133009
And it's low 100s*
No.133031
>>132962
have fun when your thyroid gives up and your testicles give up from the harmful effects of the drugs and deflate and leave you looking like a flat tire with smaller muscles then the nerdy geek who sits at a computer all day you drug using degenerate cuck
No.133032
No.133038
Don't fuck with steroids until you've plateaud several times.
No.133051
>>133031
Again, doesn't apply. Had a severe health issue. Do them or don't, it's up to you, but if your test is in the normal range I'd agree you want a strong foundation, dieting and exercise experience before considering steroids. If you're a soyboy, your test is probably dangerously low, and test might not be a crazy option as the risk/reward ratio will skew in your favor more(stronger bones, connective tissue, restored libido, etc) which can actually make you LESS prone to injury. The amount of dogmatic naturalists here is astounding and frankly disappointing. You people aren't serious about shit. Enjoy being proud of 16 inch arms.
No.133052
>>133038
Good general advice.
No.133053
>>133032
no, I dont have a vpn.
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No.133055
No.133060
>>133038
don't fuck with drugs at all or you are a retard and it will be all your fault when your body has been destroyed by them. bad choices, bad results.
No.133061
>>133051
>I'll play the soyboy card, I CHOOSE YOU SOYBOY-EE-AA GOOOOOOO
>I had a health condition so taking some illegal backwater blackmarket fucking drug mass produced by some chink in his jailcell toilet that will destroy my testicles is justifiable
>everyone here is so natty, wow so disappointed I can't sell my shit here
>hue hue everyone please do what I'm doing!
NO. fuck off you loser. LOSERDRUGNIGGERS GET THE FUCK OUT.
No.133062
No.133063
No.133064
>>133054
>lol nope
>links steroid biased website
>please do it it's okay buy our shit
NO. fuck off drugniggers. get the HELL OUT YOU CUCKS.
No.133066
>>133055
>vpn
>using your friends cell phone
>using your own phone
>switching country flags
>using a proxy
it's easy as fuck to lie to people and that's exactly what you're doing. get the hell out.
No.133069
>>133067
It's not salt. This board attracted some supreme autism somehow. It's really a shame that he can't get entertainment elsewhere.
No.133070
>>133069
Lol I think it's insecure manlets/betas that want to get /fit/ but are just angsty retards. Always fun to deal with.
No.133071
>>133070
Btw, not really against steroid usage, but I want to throw a little something out there to stimulate discussion. Cro-magnons are described as anatomically modern human specimens, but in reality many of their skeleton samples exhibited much greater robustness than living and recent European samples. I think this is an indication something important is missing from modern diets and lifestyles, and it hints at the possibility of getting great results without steroids should one unlock the secrets of the ancients. Steroids are fine, but in this light they could be seen as putting a bandage over a problem forgotten and unknown. I'd rather have them than nothing in the fight against the darkness, but the question as to why the former state of health was lost really takes the imagination captive.
No.133074
>>133071
Many things contributed to the cumulative loss of human physical strength over a long period of evolution, for instance higher neurological metabolic requirements for the evolving brain, development of greater neuromuscular dexterity as opposed to a more powerful neuromuscular junction for lifting, a change in muscular leverage favoring speed and running over brute force, differences in contractile protein in muscle fibers between non human primate muscle and human, etc. The best way to achieve incredible strength that I know of would be AAS(test, tren, etc),
follistatin, LR3-IGF1, PEG-MGF, and maybe HGH.
No.133076
No.133078
>>133074
You're conveniently glossing over the fact that they had larger brains. Devolution is real. They had better diets, and I doubt much genetic difference. If hypothyroidism or diabetes induced by environment can be inherited by several subsequent generations, so can weakness and stupidity. The significance of adaptive (or maladaptive) change possible from generation to generation is often underestimated. All it takes is one woman with consistently high progesterone (from access to plentiful vitamin C, for example) to birth a random genius.
No.133079
>>133078
Hunter-gatherer societies having a better diet is a tenuous argument, but something could certainly be said for environmental variables in xenoestrogens and endocrine disruptors. I would say the most likely explanation for the bulk of difference is simply the introduction of agriculture and society and correspondingly changing evolutionary selection pressures away from brute force towards social development.
No.133080
>>133079
>a tenuous argument
It becomes not so tenuous when the original dietary staples of sedentarism, farming, and civilization are made known—most specifically wheat but also other grains and the promotion of substandard foods that would easily store or age for long periods, such as tree nuts, legumes, and seeds in general. The diet promoted by non-hunter-gatherer societies is often one that feeds the most people at the expense of well rounded nutrition and fresher foods—such as ripe fruits and organ meats. Hunting and gathering is sustainable when a small tribe has a large territory to themselves with plenty of nutritious foods to eat in any direction visited.
Wheat gluten has opioid effects and is being consider as playing a role in autism. If autism-inducing isn't enough to be considered as a dumbing down, then I don't know what is.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5025969/
No.133081
>>133080
I'd agree with that. However we have powerlifters all over the world with every diet imaginable and the same fundamental human physique remains. Grain is shit, meat carbs and whole milk will make you strong, but early humanoids were simply different breeds.
No.133082
>>133080
And thanks for the link, interesting stuff
No.133083
>>133081
You don't suppose steroids are what enables them to grow into that physique, and not that just any diet is optimal, do you?
No.133085
>>133083
Performance enhancing drugs are realistically absolutely essential to attain a physique or physical strength comparable with the greats. They're simply too powerful to be overcome naturally. Here is a picture of a Belgian Blue, a cow with no myostatin(muscle limiting enzyme) and a picture of a mouse with varying degrees of myostatin inhibition. This is an alteration of a single enzyme, and leads to double to triple muscling and correspondingly increased strength. The point is, you simply can't compete with what doping can do without doping. Not to discourage nattybros - they just don't make it to the world stage.
No.133091
>>133085
Then the discussion is more of a "do you want to get on the world stage" than a "are steriods okay to take". It is true that without steriods you will never make it to the ultimate physique, but some dont want to reach that physique. Personally I'll stay natty becaues I dont ahve it to compete, and just want my looks to be in the top 10%, and it doesnt need to be in the top 1%, so natty is okay. Different targets, different methods.
>>133080
>>133074
>>133071
Also, I think you are partially right that different evolutionary pressure leads to a different kind of people. A big thing to consider is the combatting of child mortality, which, while enlarging the population, has had an enormous dysgenic effect. even the weakest survive with ease today Other things, such as the lower dependence on physical power to survive and other major lifestyle changes, has, imho, lead to the withering of human physical prowess. Diet only exaggerates or dampens these effects.
Would it be possible to reverse these changes in only a few generations I know that a decent eugenics program can reverse it, especially over a longer period Would a child with both parents lifting be noticably better than one that doesnt? What excercise regimes and diets are optimal for procreation? Eggs are already created at birth, but sperms are recently made, can these be influenced or is that impossible? Has diet/ exercise during pregnancy any impact on the child? I know they did tests with music and it worked, how does perfectly balanced diet and such compare?
No.133092
>>133091
I completely agree; most people just want to get fit and don't get into it enough to use PEDs, and that makes sense. As for pregnant women, you're going to want to increase blood levels of factors that positively modulate myogenesis and specifically muscular hyperplasia and satellite cell activation. For a huge monster child, you'd want 2 huge powerlifting parents have a child, and during the pregnancy administer follistatin PEG-MGF and LR3-IGF1(all preferentially viral-bound) potentially hgh and maybe primo/anavar. The number of muscle cells will result in permagains out the ass as well as a much more robust, tall and sturdy frame. Huge potential. Even still, gene doping is a whole other world.
No.133112
>>133085
I'll have some of whatever that mouse on the right got.
>tfw science controlled by leftists is the only thing keeping us from being Saiyans
No.133125
>>133112
You'll want follistatin FST 344 and MPP (myostatin pro peptide) to reproduce that. If you're actually going to run it with a steroid (because it unregulates skeletomuscular androgen receptor density 100+ fold) and LR3-IGF1/peg-MGF for enhanced hyperplasia and tendon protection. Gains from follistatin are largely permanent, strength shot up within DAYS, and one group found that in those who ran follistatin and blasted and cruised after(steroid high dose for months, cruise for months lower dose, repeat) NEVER lost the strength they gained from it. And I'd train for hyperplasia.
No.133127
>>133125
>>133112
And here was a human born without myostatin. There were two that I know of, one did the iron cross at a few months old and was born with ripped abs, another could do one arm pushups as a toddler, IIRC.
No.133142
>>133127
>you will never be the most ripped kid in preschool
Why even bother?
No.133145
No.133154
>>132667
So OP, have you made a decision?
No.133184
>>133063
I'll take a photo of the kookaburras and magpies outside my house if you'd like. Although I'm getting mostly Currawongs atm.
No.133187
>>133184
Stop using my VPN man
No.133219
>>133187
Wait a minute, I thought you were Spanish.
No.133253
>>133234
You wanna know something? I didn't really enjoy that movie. From a very serious, critical standpoint relating actual American values and examples to that story both from the child's perspective to the young man's perspective, and with elements of racial tension from the other characters.
That movie was just too god damn much for me. Good fucking movie nonetheless, gotta say. Just, fuckin' hell. The ending? Fuckin' intense, then scary, then depressing as fuck. I guess I just wasn't ready for it and should watch it again.
No.133315
>>133253
Yea, plus it was bullshit. Aryan brotherhood wouldn't rape you for associating with blacks, but you might get a beating or in extreme cases killed if you really fuck up. Plus the black guy wouldn't be nice to the nazi. Also the scene where the dad's explaining how affirmative action can get him KILLED at his job, to which his son responds "that's bullshit" in agreement. His father corrects him, "no son, it's nigger bullshit" argument strawmanned, fully fucking kiked. Good screenshot though, lol.