/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

I had managed a low, 700 cal diet for a few days earlier this month, but always went to bed with an intense stomach pain. However, on this total fast, I have no stomach pain. Of course I can feel my stomach, but it's not painful. What I'm doing:

>2 general multivitamins

>an additional 1000mg vitamin C

>an additional 4000IU of vitamin D3

>1000mg quercetin

>1000mg table salt before bed (electrolytes, also helps you retain water so you dont piss as often) It also tastes really good.

I'm also drinking quite a lot more water than usual. I probably could have just stuck to my low cal diet if I was drinking this much water, but, it's no use now since I need to lose this weight before I start college this semester. I also lift dumbells every other day. It's enough to retain enough of my antiquated gains to make me shredded (for a natty) when I finish losing weight.

Dont do this anons.

I was overweight few years back and tried fasting to drop the weight. Went 0 cal fast for 2 weeks once. Weight drops rapidly when fasting but its mostly waterweight. Also you bounce back to your previous weight instantly when you stop fasting, and have chance to do real damage to your metabolism.

If you still want to fast make sure its 0 cal fast, since its easier to eat nothing and have stomach "shut down" after like 3 days of fasting (at this point hunger pains disappear and you notice drop in energylevels).

For losing weight right way is to just start counting calories, which is something i wish i knew when i tried this retarded shit.

>>132255

>I'm only one day in and have already gone from 211lbs to 209lbs.

Do you know what water weight is?

It wasn't until I started eating more—especially carbs, sugar, salt, calcium, and magnesium—that I started shedding stubborn fat pockets. There is such a thing as a faster metabolism, and it is enabled by eating more protein, carbs, vitamins/minerals, and some saturated fat. You could probably do everything the same as you've been doing and lose weight with 1 tablespoon of coconut oil a day.

Who here /intermittentfasting/? Other than it being convenient from a time standpoint, it's a massive help when it comes to limiting intake. Lately I've been doing one meal a day and it's worked a treat; so far I've dropped a little over 2kg in a little under two weeks.

>>132263

I'm doubtful of one meal a day. It either means no breakfast for energy, or no protein after exercise.

>>132259

You're wrong. I suggest you check out the work of Dr. Jason Fung. He uses fasting to treat diabetes and obesity. You are right that there is water weight lost initally, but that's true of most weight loss diets, particularly low carb ones. He has a lecture series on youtube called "The Aetiology of Obesity." You should check it out.

>>132263

I've been doing 16:8 with decent results, but I'm considering OMAD or alternate day fasting.

>>132268

Well, then you could try alternate day fasting. Eat on workout days, fast on rest days. If you wanted you could try to get really specific with your food timing. Eat breakfast on workout days, then eat a post workout meal. Then 24 hours later on your rest day eat a meal, than repeat. I've personally have never had a problem with lifting fasted, in fact, I did it even before I started IF. If I workout with food in my stomach I get heartburn. Also even as a kid I usually felt better slipping the 'most important' meal of the day. I could either eat breakfast and feel kinda tired and crappy all morning, or I could skip breakfast and feel actually awake, but deal with a few minutes of intense hunger pangs before lunch. I usually had breakfast because my mom believed the 'most important' meal bullshit, and usually felt like crap.

The thing is, If you aren't having trouble cutting, then don't worry about it. Just keep doing what you're doing. IF and sustained fasting is good for us fat fucks that have real metabolic fuckery to fix. Fasting, whether sustained or intermittent goes a long way to enhancing insulin sensitivity and lowering insulin levels.

>>132269

Wrong on weight loss? I admit you will lose weight from fasting but the point is you will just gain it back when you come back to your normal diet.

If you want the results fasting is not the way to go. Trust me, ive been thesr 40lbs overweight trying to fast it away.

Just google guide on how bodybuilders cut, that what i had to do too and it really works.

OP here, end of day 2. Little hunger, but I have been watching travel/food channels all day haha. I am more tired than usual, which I think is a good thing, in a healthy way. Im drinking lots of water. My stomach doesnt hurt very much. Im looking forward towards getting through this fast at the end of the week and having my nice lamb meal. I may even go for veal instead, since Im feeling extra Machiavellian lately….

>>132259

this is simply false bro. you arent gonna fuck your metabolism on a two week fast. humans did not evolve to get a shit metabolism from a simple 2 week fast. also, if you did fuck your metabolism, its from being fat and ruining your thyroid, not from fasting. fasting would likely IMPROVE your metabolism if you did it responsibly.

>>132260

Weight is weight. I know most of it was water. What wasn't water, however, was fat. Probably half a lb of it was fat. Im actually going to have to lose some muscle to get down around 190lbs since I was lean there a few years ago before I got these juicy thunder thighs from SS.

Also FYI, coconut oil isn't actually the healthy fat its been made out to be, its worse than canola oil (which is quite healthy).

>>132268

Unless you are literally a bodybuilder on 4 grams of gear cutting for a competition, protein after a workout is not as important as people would have you believe. especially if youre natty. its more important to be lean than to be making gains like 2% faster.

>>132269

Good post. Back when I was cutting weight for sports year ago in highschool, I lost 10lbs in a month by running everyday and eating a light breakfast and lunch. Breakfast was protein powder in milk and a bowl of shredded wheat (in water, believe it or not). Lunch was plain spinach and light tuna. Worked really well though and I got lean as fuck. Looking forward towards getting even leaner in the next year.

>>132273

>its worse than canola oil (which is quite healthy).

WAIT! Hold the goddamned phone. Did you ask your doctor first if it was okay for you to blog here? We at B8chan™ Inc. expressly forbid and denounce any threads discussing medical topics. Please consult with a medical professional for any and all free thoughts—especially reoccurring ones. I hear they've made major progress as of late in treating those. Did you even finish your daily reading of the American Heart Association's newsletter? You know what the doctor says after all—to limit discussion with people that aren't him and to limit critical thinking to twice once a day to prevent any heart trouble.

>>132280

>What fasting does do is raise metabolism

Absolutely not. One of the primary indicators of whole body metabolism speed would be levels of thyroid hormones, which are immediately decreased by short-term fasting. The effects of long term fasting appear to be so damaging to the metabolism that the effects are made obvious across multiple generations. The benefits of fasting largely have to do with obtaining a reprieve from toxins such as LPS (endotoxin), heavy metals and other random contaminants in food, and anti-nutrients mistakenly labeled as essential nutrition. When the food is purified of garbage and is formulated to not feed malicious intestinal bacteria, no benefit of fasting is known, neither for metabolic rate nor longevity.

Comparative study of pituitary-thyroid hormone economy in fasting and hypothyroid rats.

>Starvation in laboratory rodents results in significant alterations in thyroid hormone economy characterized by decreased circulating levels of thyroxine (T4) and 3,5,3'-triiodothyronine (T3) and a decline in serum thyrotropin (TSH) concentration.

…

>These findings are in marked contrast to those noted in thyroidectomized animals and suggest that the suppression of TSH secretion accompanying starvation in the rat is mediated, at least in part, by local pituitary mechanisms that serve to maintain and possibly enhance nuclear T3 receptor occupancy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC423556/

Diabetes-like action of intermittent fasting on sarcoplasmic reticulum Ca2+-pump ATPase and myosin isoenzymes can be prevented by sucrose

>Experimental diabetes results in a reduction of the sarcoplasmic reticulum (SR) Ca2+-stimulated ATPase activity and a redirection of myosin isoenzymes from V1 to V3. Similar, but less pronounced, changes were induced by subjecting rats to intermittent fasting for 6 weeks.

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>Thus, the signals in the diabetic heart leading to changes in SR and myosin can be mimicked by intermittent fasting and seem to be linked to a shift in fuel utilization by the myocytes.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0006291X89917208

Prenatal exposure to famine and the development of hyperglycemia and type 2 diabetes in adulthood across consecutive generations: a population-based cohort study of families in Suihua, China

>Prenatal exposure to famine remarkably increases hyperglycemia risk in 2 consecutive generations of Chinese adults independent of known T2D risk factors, which supports the notion that prenatal nutrition plays an important role in the development of T2D across consecutive generations of Chinese adults.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2016/12/07/ajcn.116.138792.abstract

Mitochondrial uncoupling and lifespan

>the ideal balance between nutrient uptake, its transduction into usable energy, and the mitigation of damaging byproducts can be regulated by mitochondrial respiration and output (ATP, reactive oxygen species (ROS), and heat). Mitochondrial inefficiency through proton leak, which uncouples substrate oxidation from ADP phosphorylation, can comprise as much as 30% of the basal metabolic rate. This uncoupling is hypothesized to protect cells from conditions that favor ROS production. Uncoupling can also occur through pharmacological induction of proton leak and activity of the uncoupling proteins. Mitochondrial uncoupling is implicated in lifespan extension through its effects on metabolic rate and ROS production.

…

>This “rate of living” hypothesis predicts that increased metabolic rate per gram tissue correlates with shorter lifespan and vice versa. However, multiple examples of size-matched and metabolic rate-matched animals with significantly different lifespans, both ectothermic and endothermic, have contradicted rate-of-living as the sole determinant of aging (e.g., rats/pigeons (Barja, 1998), snakes (Robert et al., 2007), bats/mice (Jürgens and Prothero, 1987), deer mice/lab mice (Ungvari et al., 2008), naked mole rats (O'Connor et al., 2002).

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>In a different study, a tightly-coupled muscle group showed greater deterioration with age than a relatively uncoupled one (Amara et al., 2007).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2924931/

>>132284

continuing

Effects of prolonged fasting and sustained lipolysis on insulin secretion and insulin sensitivity in normal subjects.

>Normal beta-cells adjust their function to compensate for any decrease in insulin sensitivity. Our aim was to explore whether a prolonged fast would allow a study of the effects of changes in circulating free fatty acid (FFA) levels on insulin secretion and insulin sensitivity and whether any potential effects could be reversed by the antilipolytic agent acipimox. Fourteen (8 female, 6 male) healthy young adults (aged 22.8-26.9 yr) without a family history of diabetes and a body mass index of 22.6 +/- 3.2 kg/m(2) were studied on three occasions in random order. Growth hormone and FFA levels were regularly measured overnight (2200-0759), and subjects underwent an intravenous glucose tolerance test in the morning (0800-1100) on each visit. Treatment A was an overnight fast, treatment B was a 24-h fast with regular administrations of a placebo, and treatment C was a 24-h fast with regular ingestions of 250 mg of acipimox. The 24-h fast increased overnight FFA levels (as measured by the area under the curve) 2.8-fold [51.3 (45.6-56.9) vs. 18.4 (14.4-22.5) *10(4) micromol/l*min, P < 0.0001], and it led to decreases in insulin sensitivity [5.7 (3.6-8.9) vs. 2.6 (1.3-4.7) *10(-4) min(-1) per mU/l, P < 0.0001] and the acute insulin response [16.3 (10.9-21.6) vs. 12.7 (8.7-16.6) *10(2) pmol/l*min, P = 0.02], and therefore a reduction in the disposition index [93.1 (64.8-121.4) vs. 35.5 (21.6-49.4) *10(2) pmol/mU, P < 0.0001]. Administration of acipimox during the 24-h fast lowered FFA levels by an average of 20% (range: -62 to +49%; P = 0.03), resulting in a mean increase in the disposition index of 31% (P = 0.03). In conclusion, the 24-h fast was accompanied by substantial increases in fasting FFA levels and induced reductions in the acute glucose-simulated insulin response and insulin sensitivity. The use of acipimox during the prolonged fast increased the disposition index, suggesting a partial reversal of the effects of fasting on the acute insulin response and insulin sensitivity.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106250

Fasting also raises levels of HGH, a very lipolytic hormone. Bodybuilders take it to help them cut.

The metabolic role of growth hormone in humans with particular reference to fasting.

I don't have access to any of the text of this right now, but it's a good one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15809014

Augmented growth hormone (GH) secretory burst frequency and amplitude mediate enhanced GH secretion during a two-day fast in normal men.

>Serum GH concentrations are increased in fasted or malnourished human subjects. We investigated the dynamic mechanisms underlying this phenomenon in nine normal men by analyzing serum GH concentrations measured in blood obtained at 5-min intervals over 24 h on a control (fed) day and on the second day of a fast with a multiple-parameter deconvolution method to simultaneously resolve endogenous GH secretory and clearance rates. Two days of fasting induced a 5-fold increase in the 24-h endogenous GH production rate [78 +/- 12 vs. 371 +/- 57 micrograms/Lv (Lv, liter of distribution volume) or 0.24 +/- 0.038 vs. 1.1 +/- 0.16 mg/m2 (assuming a distribution volume of 7.9% body weight), P = 0.0001]. This enhanced GH production rate was accounted for by 2-fold increases in the number of GH secretory bursts per 24 h (14 +/- 2.3 vs. 32 +/- 2.4, P = 0.0006) and the mass of GH secreted per burst (6.3 +/- 1.2 vs. 11 +/- 1.6 micrograms/Lv, P = 0.002). The latter was a result of increased secretory-event amplitudes (maximal rates of GH release attained within a burst) with unchanged secretory burst durations. GH was secreted in complex volleys composed of multiple discrete secretory bursts. These secretory volleys were separated by shorter intervals of secretory quiescence in the fasted than fed state (respectively, 88 +/- 4.2 vs. 143 +/- 14 min, P = 0.0001). Similarly, within volleys of GH release, constituent individual secretory bursts occurred more frequently during the fast [every 33 +/- 0.64 (fasted) vs. every 44 +/- 2.0 min (fed), P = 0.0001]. The t1/2 of endogenous GH was not significantly altered by fasting [18 +/- 2.2 (fasted) vs. 20 +/- 1.5 min (fed), P = 0.47]. Serum insulin-like growth factor I concentrations were unchanged after 56 h of fasting. In conclusion, the present data suggest that starvation-induced enhancement of GH secretion is mediated by an increased frequency of GHRH release, and longer and more pronounced periods of somatostatin withdrawal.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1548337

post still too long

>>132255

A 2 pound difference is meaningless. Food in your stomach, water weight, etc will make you fluctuate as much as 5 pounds after a big meal. Maybe more.

If you find yourself hungry for carbs… Then eat some fucking carbs. Your body is trying to tell you something. Get a good balance of macros, and don't ever cut out all carbs. 10% bare minimum, or you'll feel like shit and be constantly hungry.

I'm a shill for the warrior diet. It's just one meal at the end of the day with all of your day's calories in it. It's usually easier to count and will let you sleep without your stomach tying itself in a knot. Also helps massively with insulin resistance and general satiety. Also, melatonin might be useful for getting to sleep before your hunger kicks in again.

Eating at the same time every day helps your body learn when to expect food, and helps avoid the constant hunger.

Also, be realistic for the love of God. If I printed a dollar for every time a person set ridiculous dietary expectations for themself and then failed to meet them, then my name would be Ben Bernanke.

Fast until like 2pm. Eat meat/fish/vegetables.

No fruit. No bread at all.

You'll drop pounds like crazy.

>>132272

>>132259

Just stumbled upon this thread and nearly raged hard. This guy is total fucking retard soccer mom scientologist. I wish you only bad in life you give people advices such as this and truly belive the bullshit you are spouting.

>BRUH you gain your weight back ur metabolism fucked up

Care to back this up?

Since you are retarded i present you with video which will explain you everything. Please watch this and after it end your retarded life you loser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0&feature=youtu.be

>>132304

I can confirm this works a treat.

>>132334

>>132304

That's what I do, but I work nights so I don't eat until 2AM instead of PM.I have until 10 to eat, but I usually have one small meal at 2, and a proper filling meal around 6:30 after I get off work and I'm done for the day. I try eat clean, but if I'm really craving something in particular I'll have some.

Not enough love for /fasting/ here.

This dude (Jason Fung) knows what he's talking about. Some advice for new fasters: https://idmprogram.com/1-rule-fasting/

OP here.

The actual fast itself wasn't bad at all and I had very little hunger, though I did have intense cravings, but I never acted on them the whole week (until I broke my fast, like the stupid fuck I am).

I absolutely failed myself. I broke my fast and immediately devoured everything in my kitchen. 2 boxes of thin mints (my mom had them around for some reason), a can of tuna, some tilapia, veal, peanut butter toast, caramels, plain ol bread, etc…. Probably about 5500kcals. However. I just got a hold of myself, brushed my teeth, washed my face, and shaved. Im ready for another fast. However, since I binged so hard, I'm gonna extend this next fast from 7 days to 14 days. Ill update in a week again.

Everybody call me a faggot for breaking my fast in an immature way. Dont go light on me. I need to realize how big of a pig I was today.

>>132566

You are mentally deranged. Health is not a function of masochism. Your grotesque personality clearly overshadows your mediocre physique. There's nothing wrong with breaking a fast, but there is something wrong with your head. Fasting damages health and makes you weaker, which is perfect for where you should be headed next—reddit—where all the rest of the weak, mentally ill, self-sabotaging fatasses reside.

>>132570

>hunger management

Fatties should eat more to lose fat. Eating more protein and carbs upregulates the metabolism and builds muscle which feasts on fat stores, while eating fat slows it down.

>>132579

Meanwhile, ask any athlete or bodybuilder how to build muscle and they will say eat more (among other things). As an added bonus, more muscle burns more fat, and that's probably the safest, healthiest, practical way to get rid of excess fat stores—by having more muscle. There is no room for negotiation here. You don't get that fat burning muscle by eating less and less and less until the point of starvation, but you can get those muscle gains while moderating dietary fat intake and eating large amounts of protein and carbs. The reason being carbs don't go to body fat creation very easily, while dietary fat does. You should look in the mirror for a change, because those hands represent you, a typical pessimistic gains goblin.

>>132579

Tested it doesnt work. Only way how to lose weight is intermittent fast keto and/or fasting while working out. You can try it either listen to non lifters giving advice or to someone who actually experimented.

>>132570

Ephedrine is only for prescription in Europe. I have found out that vitamine C + caffeine + tablesalt with iodine under tongue will kill any hunger in 10 minutes.

>>132590

>>132579

meant to this >>132571

>>132590

I'm shedding 10 lbs a month with a fucking barbell and a deficit, high carb/high protein diet.

I'm not even IF, but I am going to start adding IF on saturdays. It's 6 days a week split evenly, SS variant three days a week and rowing machine 3 days a week.

>only way to lose weight is meme diet

lmao

>>132643

Also I honestly could be losing more but I only row for like 30 minutes and I'm a lazy shit. Rower really kicks your ass.

>>132902

>Any advice on not going nutrient defficient?

Don't fast. Macro-nutrients are nutrients. A plain, fat-free potato/fat-free milk diet applies for the hard-headed and desperate that want to compromise between fasting and regular dietary restrictions.

>>133185

meant to say:

I'm proud of u anon

>>132643

Meme diet works. For me. Not for you becasue you are American.

OP here. Gained a lot of it back tbh. I got down to around 190 like I thought I would but I ballooned up to 202lbs after taking in more sodium and food and retaining water.

Im probably going to do another fast, 3 weeks this time (previous was 9 days), after I spend the next week doing a low calorie diet.

For my low cal diet:

2 apples a day

1 bag of peas a day

For workout days:

microwave turkey meal (turkey, sweet potato, green beans)

>>133973

Don't worry about ballooning up 10 pounds on your refeed day. Just /fast again and all that extra weight falls off again.

>>133973

Yeah, the first ten to fifteen pounds on any low carb diet is water weight from glycogen depletion. If you're fasting you'll lose some from emptying your bowels, too. Even on a total fast you'll only lose about half a pound a day of real weight.

That 'low cal diet' looks like shit though. Just do keto. It'll make transitioning to your fast that much easier.

>>134004

It's more like 1-2 pounds a day depending on your weight/height and physical activity if you are on a fast.

>>132255

>7 day fast

<Can it be done?

Absolutely.

<Will you lose weight?

Without a doubt.

<Is it a good idea

Not in the slightest.

You can get 90% of the same results by doing intermittent fasting but you won't feel like shit, your energy levels won't crater and you wont cannibalize tons of muscle. Its also much more sustainable long term and you're 99% less likely to quit half way through.

>>132581

Wow you are misinformed on human biology. Increasing muscle mass only has a tiny tiny tiny effect on increasing fat burning. You can't out exercise a shit diet.

>>134031

Any calorie restricted diet will cause loss of lean body mass, some more than others. Studies have shown you lose less lbm on an all out fast than on most calorie restricted diets. Also, not all lbm is muscle. It also includes things like skin and connective tissue. While it's just anecdotal, Dr. Fung has stated that none of his patients, even the ones that have lost massive amounts of weight, have had loose skin after weight loss. He has said he believes this is due to the body not being dumb enough to burn muscle, and using things like the excess skin for protein.

That being said I prefer IF instead, because it's just so much easier. I eat one meal a day, and I eat more or less whatever I want. I started with 16/8 fasting for a few weeks, then dropped to 20/4, and now I do OMAD. The crazy thing is how my appetite has actually decreased. I used to crave food all day long and stuff my face like crazy at every meal. Then I started IF. Now I wait until I get home from work, cook a dinner, and often find myself getting full much sooner than when I didn't do IF and packed in food all day long. Ive been losing weight steadily. It's seems most of what I've lost has been intra-abdominal fat, which while very healthy, doesn't do a whole lot for aesthetics.

>>134031

>>134033

I just did a 4 1/2 day fast last week. Would've been 5, but I couldn't get minerals and water in so I felt like shit. It's definately doable though and the results can't be beat.

I've done intermittent fasting before and it worked I guess (with calorie restriction and low-carb macros) and shit did work, but it wasn't as effective as long-term fasting.

>>134033

>Studies have shown you lose less lbm on an all out fast than on most calorie restricted diets.

I'm not gonna call you a liar because I haven't seen these studies but it seems very unlikely. Maybe if most/all of the people in the study were obese dyels with no extra muscle to lose then it makes sense the body wouldn't literally eat your arm or whatever but if you have even noob gains say goodbye to that shit.

In any case we seem to agree that IF is the more reasonable long term solution not just for losing weight but for maintaining a healthy weight. IF is actually so easy and convenient that I would prefer to do it all the time but you really need to eat more and more regularly for good gainz so I usually only do it 2-3 days a week.

>>134057

I know it seems counterintuitive. Basically when you all out fast you send a bigger signal that protein needs to be spared, so your body spares it more intensely. This is also part of the reason you only get autophagy benefits when you cut calories to absolute zero. Your body is cleaning up so you'll be in tip top shape to get your ass out to the hunt. Hgh goes up, thyroid hormones go up, and catecholamines go up.

When you just cut calories, your body assumes it's the new normal and lowers metabolism and metabolically active tissue to compensate.

I'm a couple of weeks into this and it's boring af, I don't feel like doing anything

>>132255

just wanted to drop this here , ray sounds crazy but he's really smart , so is rhonda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNzZod_d18A

Fat fuck here, I'm really interested in this.

Any guides to do it?

>>134387

>Any guides

I know your a hue but really?

You literately just don't eat. That it. Thats all you have to do. Drink water though. Black coffee and tea too if you want.

>>134387

See Snekman's channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_yUeH8TsG5pxqvkOxBtsFA/feed

Basically just drink snake juice: potassium salt + pink salt + water

Drink tons of water and green tea

Take EC stack or clen if you can get it.

You can fast with or without the things above, but they should make it easier.

>>134381

Can fasting actually cause vitamin deficiency, malnutrition, since you aren't actually consuming anything aside from your bodyfat?

>>132263

i have spent the last year on an intermittent fast with the keto diet ala dr. berg on yt.

i have lost, easily 80 lbs. i have gone from a size 14 to 4/6. after a few days of low carb NO GLUTEN or sugar, your body thanks you for it by removing most appetite triggers.

i eat, meat protien fats as butter and meat fat on the meat. i treat myself with peanut butter and whipped cream. berries and nuts, stay away from other fruit. eat salads and stuff myself. i don't weigh i just did it. don't think about weight you lost or may lose. just change habits and diet.

it is like atkins but 4.0.

good luck to all. i have about 5 more lbs to skim off. i don't crave food and eat 2 meals a day sometimes 1 sometimes 3.

it is the easiest thing to do and there are enough food products out there to help, but i found the best thing is to cook large portions/pots of food, then i only cook a couple times a week and then just reheat. i hate cooking but this is easy. i am loving moving and life again. m

my auto immune responses are almost nil now. i can run, which i haven't done in 30 yrs, due to inflammation in my joints. no more gerd(gluten is the culprit)

YOU CAN EASE INTO THIS SLOWLY. I WOULD RECOMMEND DROPPING ANYTHING WITH GLUTEN FIRST AND SUGAR. (STEVIA IS YOUR BEST FRIEND) sorry bout caps.

i have had a weight my entire life. now it is a non issue.

best of luck!

about to complete day 23, I think I'll break the fast on Apr 1

>>134447

Have you been fasting for 23 days? You should worry about refeeding and nutrient deficiency and all that shit if you have

>>134494

I'm planning to break the fast with bone broth in about 4 weeks.

>>134528

Pussy, go eat the biggest breakfast you can with a couple of big ass cups of juice and a the meanest protein shake you've ever made, smoke a couple of spliffs (tobacco and marijuana), and don't forget your vitamins and supplements. Then go for a run.

>>134528

>greece

>fasting

don't lie you're not fasting you just don't have any food because the EU gave it all to the niggers.

>>134541

I know you're joking but the first time I tried fasting I didn't know you were supposed to ease into it so I broke my 7 day fast with like a 6 egg bacon omelette. Needless to say I spent most of the morning writhing in pain on the toilet.

>>134542

Best case scenario you're throwing your money away. I mean how fucking hard is it to sautee some vegetables and chicken.

>>134528

Fair enough. Are you super fat currently? I couldn't imagine doing 3 weeks + fasting at a healthy weight.

>>134549

>how hard to sauté chicken and vegetables

Pretty hard at college

OP do you mean the metabolism-slowing true fasting or intermittent fasting?

I do intermittent fasting quite regularly, generally a 16-8 starting at 11:00am or so. The main enemy of this is of course overeating during your feeding periods but the benefits of intermittent fasting (by research) sound pretty damn good.

>>134641

It doesn’t matter if your metabolism slows down marginally, the less food you eat, the more weight you will lose.

>>134644

Might want to look into refeeding syndrome then and how to prevent it with that attitude.

>>134614

I'm pretty fat and I've had lifelong symptoms of insulin resistance that I always chalked up to literally anything else because I didn't know better. I'll be doing a 4 week fast in August too.

>>134707

Good luck with the weight loss. I'm only doing OMAD to lose ~18kg but it's gone pretty well so far, about 7kg down after a month and a half. It'll be interesting to see how the long fasts turn out for you

How do you all manage 4+ day fasts while doing any training? I grant that fat tissue is turned into ketones for energy, but what about protein? You need it to repair muscle damage from exercise and your intestines can't possibly hold that much.

>>134730

I don’t train on a fast

bored

>>134730

You don't lift on a fast Francisco. Fasting is for cutting so you maybe do cardio although in my experience even moderate exercise makes you feel hungry as fuck.

>>134628

Ah ok. Still if I were you I'd try to get access to a kitchen once a week or so. A lot of dorms have public kitchens you can reserve.

still alive

I got a long "you're gonna die" speech again, how the hell do I get people to shut the fuck up?

>>134957

I think the more important question is why the fuck do you care what other people think. Tell them to fuck off.

>>134957

when someone starts being a smart ass with you ask them whether they're doctors. if they say no, tell them to shut the fuck up and mind their own business.

>>134975

because I live with them and they won't get off my back

>>134976

they say they asked all sorts of doctors and apparently they all agreed I'm going to DIE any day now

>>134979

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/pdf/postmedj00315-0056.pdf

show them this and fung man cause he's pretty normie friendly .

>>135009

I'm not translating all of Fung's work into Greek

this day has not been going well for me, I might have to quit if it gets any worse

Is it safe to lift on a fast? Or should I just do cardio? I don't want my arms to not work all week. And here is my proposed schedule:

>fast 5 days a week with 1-2 hours of cardio/day

>eat at maintenence on weekends + lifting

on a massive cut, but would prefer to gain or at least retain muscle mass if at all possible.

fast is officially over

almost 5 weeks

still fat af but people say you should stop pushing yourself when there's too much discomfort

I don't have a Broscience degree or anything, but I stick to a 6/18 fast and in conjunction with calorie counting/restriction, it's helped me drop 110+lbs to 160 and keep it off for the last three years going.

I think a lot of it, for me, was just behavior modification. I see a lot of people who eat out of boredom, or just mindlessly graze, and will negotiate with themselves trying to fit in snacks that never feel satisfying and just make you hungrier - or will space out and accidentally overdo it on healthy foods like nuts because they're not as on guard as they are with chocolate or chips.

I find a hard "NO" is much easier to manage, and my eating window is small enough that I don't really have much of an urge to snack between two decent meals being so close together.

>>135103

>Is it safe to lift on a fast?

I wouldn't, depending on the type of fast you're doing. 8/16 or 6/18 - sure, you can lift. If you're going 24 hours or more between meals, then you're not going to have the energy to really push yourself like you need to. It could fuck up your form and cause injury, and it's not really going to do your muscles any good since you body doesn't have anything to rebuild that muscle tissue with after breaking it down.

>>135110

Its okay bro you don't have to do it all at once. Wait a bit and start again.

How much weight did you lose in those 5 weeks?

> breaking your fast

Just a heads up for anyone wanting to try long periods of fasting, please be careful when breaking your fast. I've read before that people who have come out of starvation can die by gorging on their first meal. A few people who tried it start by just eating a melon..

https://www.allaboutfasting.com/breaking-a-fast.html

If anyone can provide better sources, please do.

>fasting depletes glycogen in muscles and liver

>also improved overall gut health

I think some of you have said that fasting helps with metabolism. I believe fasting actually improves digestive health because the digestive system is not working around the clock and that for some reason helps gut health.

Personally I have better digestive health when fasting all this is probably the reason why. I'm too lazy to find the source for this though.

>>135206

Is this bait? You don't understand the concept of fasting at all. Do your research first before dismissing it. and sorry for your loss fatty I used to be really skeptical about fasting but now I see that it's a truly legit form of fat loss. It worked for me comfortably too doing a 15:9 combined with more quick and intense cardio.

>>135206

Do you even know what water weight is?

This is basically why you should only weigh yourself once a week or even every other week and always at the same time (usually as soon as you wake up and take a piss). Your weight can easily vary by 10lb in a single day, but that doesn't mean you've lost or gained fat.

>>135209

Refeeding syndrome is exceedingly rare. If you've been taking electrolytes during your extended fast you shouldn't have a problem. If you're really paranoid about it, you can take a b1 pill a few hours before you break your fast. I also recommend breaking your fast with something low carb, as a sudden carb rush is what throws your electrolytes into chaos. No matter how you break your fast, if you've been fasting for more than a few days you will get diarrhea.

>>135209

>Is this bait? You don't understand the concept of fasting at all. Do your research first before dismissing it.

Anon even a blind one would be able to see that my post is not about the concept of fasting, but about the superficiality of fast small weight loses.

I live in Germany, here several different fasting cultures have existed for centuries. People wouldn't do it if it hadn't a effect.

>>135213

>Do you even know what water weight is?

Yeah the fucking point of my entire story, hence why I told OP why a one day weight loss is nothing spacial.

>>135201

Plenty, but I didn't weigh religiously.

Refeeding has been extremely chaotic for me, and unfortunately I gave in to sugar when I had no intention of doing so. Currently experiencing intense depression. The plan was to resume keto after breaking my fast, but I can't even look at fat right now, it disgusts me.

>>135103

>>135227

You generally don't want to lift heavy during an extended fast because its counterproductive. You're tearing muscle apart without anything to rebuild it with. Yes autophagy is a thing but that will only get you so far if you're doing heavy damage with very tough lifts. Cardio or lighter weight is fine.

If you're doing intermittent fasting then just lift whenever and eat your 1 or 2 daily meals after the workout, you don't need to eat before because you should have plenty of glycogen from the day before stored in your muscles.

If doing an extended fast then eat a moderate meal containing protein and carbs ~3 hours before your workout, then right after eat a protein rich meal with some simple carbs (I usually do a protein shake and fruit).

On lifting days you should eat at maintenance if you're a lard ass (dat recomp magic) or at a slight surplus otherwise.

Personally if you're doing a long fast I would just stick to it as long as you can or until you achieve your desired results because when you break your fast you WILL get diarrhea and have general digestive discomfort so unless you want to deal with that every week just do it for like a month then do IF+lifting for a month then fast again etc…

>>135232

Thanks for the info bro.

I have the willpower to fast, i dont have the willpower to do OMAW unless it can sometimes be junk food like deli sandwiches, steak, chipotle, etc.

The only reason im doing 3 days of feed a week is so i am not forced to eat eggs and spinich every single week for 6 months in order to prevent refeed syndrome

Am i being paranoid? Is it ok to have a big ass chipotle bowl (no rice) be my meal of the week?

>>135254

You're fine.

~t. Guy who went to a buffet after a 5 day fast.

I did intermittent fasting from some random TV fitness guru. Works wonders

Wtf are all of these experience based on a week at best?

To be sure of what have any effect on what, you actually have to go through AT LEAST 1/2 months, if not three, to actually be sure something is working or not. That's why removing an addiction can generaly be attested if you go through 3 months without going back! It's obviously different from people to people, but it's certainly not a matter of weeks, not even a month.

The fucking retards saying that fasting means nothing on a week sample is retarded. You have to test it for months. Moreover, without even the problem of fat loss, fasting for one month per year actually destroy any chance you'll get cancer in the future (obviously if you're a good environment without chemicals and shit - that's why it's a tradition in a lot of part of the world). You're sharping your metabolism, since you're reducing the intake (the body have to make more with what it gets, it wastes far less). It makes you produce more testosterone. It literaly makes you stronger.

I personally went through a no carb low calory diet for 3/4 months, and I lost 8kg (while being 82kg to 75kg). And it lasted without problems. So your whole "High carb/High protein" diet is pure bullshit. Eat less on a LONG period of time = fat loss. But like an addiction, you have to never come back to your old diet. You'll eat normally after, but only with healthy food. If you think you're gonna loss fat then continue to eat 10kg of sugar per day, then you're retarded. I personaly promised myself to not eat sugar ever (that's actually easier than controlling intake). Well, I broke at some point, but I can control myself, and have no more hurge at all. But as an old addict, you have to be careful to not, when you're in a pick of stress, fall back to your old habits.

You have to go on the long run, or it's useless.

>>135335 (cont.)

I plan not on fasting, since I've utterly failed myself in that regard and it's not healthy to keep starving myself and binging the week or two after the fast ends, but instead I will plan on intermittent fasting. I'll skip breakfast and lunch and stick to a small dinner of mostly meat and vegetables.

>>135335

>All I've done since then is some days lose weight, but then other days binge eat so badly that I gain weight overall.

This is exactly why fasting is not a viable option for about 95% of you tards

How much should I walk a day during a fast?

>>135349

You're wrong.

It's not a viable option for anyone that thinks that not eating at all for a months will magically bring a model like body. That's why they all fail.

Because they don't actually want to seriously lose weight.

"Fasting" is just yet another way to run from discipline.

see >>135321

Is intermittent 16hrs fasting a meme?

I don't really want to lose any wait, I'm just interested in the incremented test and GH.

Any advice for keto rash? Really don't want to end the fast for this but the itching is getting pretty bad and it's a pretty gnarly sight on my back and shoulders.

i've only been fasting for a few days in this snek man structure : m w f train and eat, t t s fast. sunday is an optional keto meal if i lose too much weight. i was doing 16/8 before this but for a little while probably was doing closer to 12/12. I started this current routine with a preliminary 48 hr snek juice fast. I have to say that my testosterone feels through the fucking roof. I feel more like a man than i ever have in my entire life. Each day it seems to be getting high too. I might k… keep you guys posted, but I'm pretty close to quitting imageboards, or atleast reducing time spent browsing…

turned into a bit of a blog post so tl;dr:

SO FAR snek man alternate day fasting and feasting I FEEL LIKE MY TEST IS THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!

>>135397

lol @ this picture. brainlets praising keto as being all about health and yet consider taking antibiotics to stay in it… lol.

Okay, OP here. I plan on fasting until I reach 175lbs. Currently 208.

>>135408

Fuck, I even have to begin my day with a tbsp of olive oil (much quicker than morning oats) to help blow away the morning brain fog because of this shit!

Intermittent fasting is the best way to do this. Drink plenty of water whenever you're hungry and make sure to eat a large meal in the morning of something high in protein with no sugar and as few carbs as possible then forbid yourself from anything else but water for the rest of the day. Also exercise. I've been doing this and went from 304lb to 238lb in 3 months.

Weight loss is a holy trinity I've found. Exercise burns what you already have, dieting prevents excess, but eating PROPER foods like in the /fit/ tl;dr diet and actually reading the fucking packages to make sure they don't shove your shit full of sugar helps replace the inefficient fat slop with efficient, useful fuel. Soon, you won't even feel hungry anymore.

>>135420

It's willpower, but it's also willpower against a sugar addiction. Addicts don't see how long they can go without heroin, they cut it out little by little with the goal of ridding it entirely. Lots of our food is cancer, once I got unaddicted from sugar I was a lot less hungry and therefore, losing more weight. Healthy shit (not the expensive hippy crap either, but actual mushrooms and fresh fruit) began to taste more pleasant than their artificial sugary clones. I'm serious about that trinity OP. Diet, exercise, and permanant changes to what you eat. Don't just follow calories, get rid of inefficient garbage.

Anyone here have trouble sleeping when on a fast? My sleeping schedule gets fucked, but it could be from the EC stack idk.

>>135415

>and it's worked out well for them

yeah, because them monks are such hunks, amirite?

>>135425

Personally no, I find I sleep better on a fast than I do on a low calories diet because on a fast my stomach stops rumbling if I drink water but on a low cal diet my stomach keeps me up all night

>>135432

Not all gainz are physical.

>>135425

Almost definitely the EC stack, anon. Be careful with those hard stims.

>>135518

>EC stack

>hard stims

What is like to be so weak?

>>135527

It may not be straight meth but that shit is hard on your heart, faggot. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, you don't need that kinda shit to lose weight. In fact if your goal is to get healthy then it doesn't fit in at all. If you're fat then your heart is already in rough shape, might not work out for you. EC stacks are for impatient guys with weak wills who can't manage to eat well enough for long enough to shed fat naturally.

It was heart problems that killed Zyzz. Was he weak?

>>135530

LMAO fuck off underage larper. Zyzz was not killed by the EC stack.

>>135542

>Zyzz was not killed by the EC stack.

Nobody said he was.

>>135408

>low blood sugar

>ain't got no beetus

While people in the very early stages of the beetus do sometimes have low fasting blood sugar, low blood sugar is not really tied to beetus. Low blood sugar is the opposite of beetus. i.e. hypoglycemia. What is your fasting blood sugar like.

>>135530

Zyzz had a congential heart defect and abused steroids like an asshole despite being young.

So yes he was weak both mentally and physically.

How do I seriously do water fasting if I plan to exercise at least 1 hour a day? I haven't broken the code yet.

>>135573

How long? Your body adjusts. Your first day fasting will have your stomach rumbling and other bullshit. But once you get into the habit you'll hardly feel hunger at all.

TBH water fasting sounds like bullshit to me. Stick with intermittent fasting. Regardless though, BCAAs are helpful for training on an empty stomach though it may make you somewhat jittery temporarily.

>>135558

>What is your fasting blood sugar like.

I have no idea because I can't even start this shit thanks to weakness/dizziness/nausea hitting me at the wrong fucking times (namely, at work, where I need 100% focus at all times), I have to keep a small snack with me at all times outside the house.

Lol I weigh 121 pounds.

>>135595

Sounds like you got the beetus if your body flips the fuck out without food constantly.

>>135593

Water fasting isn't bullshit if you can actually do it. Nothing like dropping 1+ pounds a day.

>>135652

Thanks to cronometer.com I've found most days I'm low in both potassium and vitamin e. Some of the listed traits of deficiency in both sound eerily, uncomfortably familiar. Let's see what supplementing both does for me…

>>135654

>1+ pounds a day

I'm not saying its impossible but you have to be really fat or be doing quite a bit of work to consistently drop 1 or more pounds every single day, even if you don't eat a thing. I mean a pound of pure fat is like 3000-4000 calories.

I'd say a more realistic figure is 3-5lb a week of bodyfat plus maybe ~1lb of waste protons and other stuff. Also keep in mind that water fluctuations can severely obfuscate actual loss.

>>135707

Just eat a handful of almonds and a banana now and then. Also "daily" deficiencies are pretty much bullshit your body isn't so sensitive that it will become deficient if if doesn't get an exact amount of each vitamin and micro nutrient every single day, you should really look at it more as weekly or even monthly.

>>135740

Resting tdee for your average fatty is about 3000+ calories a day, more if you exercise. Also snekman debunks the whole 1 lb bodyfat = 3500 calories meme.

>>135751

I never said a lb of body fat is 3500 I said PURE fat is 3-4k. Thats what I'm interested in, I could care less how many fat soluble minerals and other things I'm losing.

If you're just looking at how much the scale moved then sure I could lose 10lb in one day.

i'm on day 4 of my water only fast right now, i've done this for 17 days before but over a few months i gained the weight again because i lost all motivation, this time i'm fasting for a month or so until i get my fatass down to 180 pounds, i'm at about 207 or so now i think, my scales broke (not because i'm a fatass believe it or not)

>>136997

note that i know i probably won't lose that much in just a month, after the month i'll probably do 3 days fasting and 4 days ketosis meme

Fasting has been great for me, did a 7 day fast and went from 234 to 220! I've kept it all off and I'm currently at 213 2 weeks after the initial fast by Only eating meat and dairy (Hamburger, Ham, eggs, cheese). I don't have milk and i've started intermittent fasting keeping food intake at 6 hours a day. Currently I've been having about 1000 calories a day and weight feels like its slipping off of me. Daily workout is 1 hour cardio and 1 and a half hour weights and calisthenics.

>>137001

I don't believe that. Too much muscle for someone who's been fasting.

>>137114

Fasting is muscle sparing. He also doesn't have much muscle, but it looks like he does because he cut way down to about 8% bf.

Things been going good lads. I just broke my record last week and did a 6 day fast. Almost felt like I was going to pass out on the last day though.

I try to practice some intermittent fasting just for the hormonal benefits, even though I'm bulking.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-affects-physiology-hormones

Been doing a water fast every Monday since mid-February. Went from 235lbs to 210lbs. Fasting is easy after you get the hang of it, and it taught me to control myself better on non-fasting days.

>>137513

Counter-point!

>>137185

>>137315

>tfw you've completed your first 1 day fast

>>137530

>To build muscle you need protein so where are you getting your protein if you don't eat for 20 hours?

maybe from the other 4 hours?

>I want proof for that point

<doesn't show proof for any of his points.

And why does he need to bash e-celebs or whatever that blog is if he is against some way of eating?

Needing less sleep on IF? Poking around jewboob and the first one he mentions is an interesting tidbit I hadn't heard before, not even ITT. Googling around and found the reports conflicting and primarily anecdotal (ie forum threads); sasuga health & fitness info. Now for my own anecdote to the pile: (spoilered for blog) Started 12-14hr fasts four days ago to "test the waters" and have found myself unable to sleep more than about 6 hours with little noticeable difference in general fatigue and energy, though I admit to chronic insomnia, waking up too much to piss (3-5 times each night, every night, little matter how much I've changed my liquid intake habits), body having adjustment issues to bipolar weather while (for sleep) being over-sensitive to temperature and humidity to begin with, and worst of all too much caffeine most days, around 3-500mg or double that if I've had a particularly bad sleepless night; this is something else I need to work on, like 1 week each month allowing myself ONLY decaf tea and coffee in the hopes it "resets" caffeine sensitivity. What about you? Got links to studies and videos not off page 1 on search engines to share, along with your own experiences?

>>137585

Not defending the Natty King here, but:

<doesn't show proof for any of his points.

His standard proof has usually been "look at my physique; my way obviously works" with a few studies here and there. Interestingly, almost a year and a half later he shares the study in this embed which seems to debunk his own long-held claims that:

>protein 1g per lb of bodyweight

<more like 0.75g/lb

>plant proteins (so long as they're complete?) are inferior to animal proteins

<"does not matter what kind of protein"

>one needs protein digesting in them at all times for optimal recovery and strength/mass growth (as an aside, Jim Wendler suggests getting up mid-sleep to have a protein shake for this reason)

<"does not matter when the protein is consumed"

>>137585

>And why does he need to bash e-celebs or whatever that blog is if he is against some way of eating?

It's what he's been doing years before there existed YouTube: takes what he sees as bullshit and names 'n' shames whether it's a commercial or a supplement-pushing e-celeb. (He calls it "truth-trolling".)

http://scoobysworkshop.com/hall-of-shame

>>137616 (me)

Maybe I should mention most days I get 100-150 net-carbs and 70-90g fat daily; am on the third month of a ~20% cut.

Does anyone have a chart showing how much metabolism slows down over how many days of fasting or something along those lines?

How far will I be set back if I continue to drink tea with a bit of milk and honey during my fast?

>>137813

Far enough you may break your ketosis for a day or so.

>>137813

The whole point of a fast is for it to be prolonged. You're basically ruining any progress you may have

>>138203

No. I lost 10kg by fasting and after 2 years my weight is still stable around that point with +/-3kg normal fluctuations. Way more stable than with calorie reduction which always came back in a month or so.

>>138203

You will gain about 2kg immediately. But that's only gut weight not fat so who cares. The rest will stay off as long as you don't return to eating like you did before.

And it's effortless weight stability. God knows how many times I've splurged on junk food since then. It always drops back to that with little to no effort.

wanted some input and advice on my plan to start fasting

I planed on fasting for 4 days, eating for one, fasting for 4 and then starting to fast during the week Monday to Friday and eat on the weekends (still keeping it to 2000 calories or less)

For exercise i planed on starting the couch to 5k thing.

Is there anything i should or shouldn't do?

Should i take some kind of supplement or vitamins?

>>138360

You shouldn't do the couch to 5k program. If you do, which I suggest you don't, drink salt water.

>>138361

What is the reason i shouldn't do the couch to 5k program at the same time, i'm new to this whole thing and am more than open to any advice or suggestions. i just wasn't sure if only fasting would drop that much weight

>>138362

Sweating means a loss of electrolytes, a loss of electrolytes has very undesirable symptoms, bad first impressions are long lasting. These things take time. Get your body to adapt to fasting first and then worry about exercise.

>>138360

>advice on my plan to start fasting

My advice is don't plan fasts. Start and stop when you feel like it. Aim for three days and if feeling ok go for longer. Not rocket science.

>eat on the weekends (still keeping it to 2000 calories or less)

Don't do calorie reduction, it only makes you hungry lethargic and over time skinnyfat or just plain fat as it crashes your basal metabolic rate, eat 1-3 proper meals a day when not fasting. Proper meal being one where you genuinely don't feel like eating one more bite when done.

>For exercise i planed on starting the couch to 5k thing.

Good addition.

>Is there anything i should or shouldn't do?

Don't eat.

>Should i take some kind of supplement or vitamins?

On short fasts like that no. Some salt if you get cold hands (unlikely in so short fasts).

And obviously don't eat shit foods, basically try to keep it low carb high fat so resuming fasting is much easier.

>>134558

Same, 4 day fast with a pizza and a chicken salad and I felt fine.

the solution is changing society into a folkish state.

we need to be closer to the land and enjoy life of fun

why is fasting limited to fatties only?

Am I the only one here that fasts not for weight loss reasons? I really like that testosterone boost and improved brain activity. Also it's a good idea to give your stomach rest from time to time.

Doing once a week 24 hour fast for few years now. Though in the beginning fasting was enough to feel the benefits, I'v might got used to it now and need a light workout to burn that energy. I want to try 2 or more days fasting in near future, seems like good idea to stay young. Also I don't eat after 6 and it works fine with sleep schedule.

>>138806

Same, I do intermittent fasting every day and longer ones from time to time, once every week or two. Never done a week or anything like that, but I feel like it would interfere with adding muscle.

>>132255

Have been doing one to two day 24 hour fasts for four weeks now, but this week I've been like a ravenous dog. I'm also lifting on even days, so I'm losing weight, but I've stalled this week.

How do you guys program it, just go the full 24 hours or plan it, if so what is the best way to stack it so you do the full 24 hours and make it.

Newbie

>>138369

>Don't do calorie reduction

This.

3 meals is great for weight training, but you can try for intermittent fasting when maintaining weight and not making muscle gains at gym, where you eat your normal daily calories within a 6 hour window every day.

>>138794

>>138806

It's not only for fats. It's a good way to lose adipose without much muscle loss. Fasting for normal skinny people has incentives too, entering autophagy, and giving your gut a break, pushing back potential cancer growth and insulin resistance. The thing I am not sure about is how to do it most healthily, autophagy really gets going at 8 days. For skinny people this may be too much time without eating, not sure, same with building up mineral and micro nutrient reserve, electrolytes before starting. It's definitely optimal to gain weight from muscle and fat gain before fasting.

I only fast on mondays. It's my way of punishing myself for failing a class that I would attend on mondays otherwise. Fasting for extended periods of time (>3 days) seems too extreme for me.

>>141719

>autophagy really gets going at 8 days.

Gonna need a source on that one.

Finished my first 48h fast in sunday. Down almost 2kg. Felt good after hunger attack at 6h in. Aiming for at least 72h this time.

OP of this thread here. Since making it 8 months ago I have lost and gained back 20 lbs. pathetic, lol. Here’s to round 2 electric boogaloo. I’ll post here in 2 weeks with before / after pics.

>>137616

This happened to me on my fasts somewhat, I found it was in part due to stomach ache. When on a fast you need to drink LOTS of water. But I don’t mind getting less sleep if my body doesn’t mind either.

Third day of fasting here. I started feeling burning in my stomach from time to time today, is that when keto starts?

>>132272

>>132259

ur tarded

>>142354

I never feel something like this when keto kicks in. Probably just your body producing too much gastric acid.

What do you guys break your fasts with? I'm reading most people use fruits or fruit juice but aren't those mostly carbs? I thought you'd want to continue your keto after the fast

Doing 18:6. Been burping more than usual.

>>142718

I pussy out after 5 days. Go from 68 kg to 64kg. Now I'm eating 3 weeks low carb, less calories and I stabilised around 65-66kg. So it works, just need follow thru. Today I make steak with eggs and start another 48h.

>>142718

>so I do have reason to believe that alternative treatments are far more viable than what is prescribed, snekdiet included.

This is timely. Found this video just yesterday while searching about natural ways to lower blood pressure.

>>142479

You'll be fine I've done 5 day fasts and I've never used snake juice just plain old H2O+caffeine pills and I even did a 2 day dry fast with nothing going in at all.

From what I understand snake juice is mainly to replenish electrolytes so its really only helpful for longer fasts.

will fasting work for someone (me) who has a small penis? i only ask because i (me) have a small penis.

>>132268

Once your body gets used to intermittent fasting, you don't need an energy breakfast or any gay shit like that. Your energy levels will be fine and you'll rarely feel hungry. Hell, I even prefer working out while fasting, then eating a bigass meal after.

I'm bored and decided to water fast the next 28 days, I got sea salt, Kalium, Magnesium, Calcium and Vitamin D3,6,12 and will consume it daily mixed in a water bottle.

I'll keep an autistic log and report again in 7 days, shit will be easy!

I just entered into this year old thread, but it seems a lot of you fags who start the fast are not mentally prepared and have incredibly low self-control. A fast is not just a method of losing body weight, it is an intense mental challenge that gives you the chance to prove to yourself that you have a "mind of matter" type mentality. Breaking a fast by binging is an absolute sign of weak will and lack of self-control. Eating sugar like you were before fasting is the same. You need to spend the time you arent eating while fasting on deciding how to break the fast, what diet changes should i make no more cookies and soda like theyre water and exact times for when you eat. Im not trying to shill fasting but holy fuck a lot of you fat fucks need to practice self-control.