/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc★

you don't need a lot of supplements.

only garden of life vegan organic B12 and D3 and vitamin shop brand optiMSM and naturalcalm magnesium. that's all.

I'll post the copypasta.

the next thing up is "acrylamide". to put things simply, they want you to believe that if you bake a potato in the oven that you create a dangerous chemical on the outside called acrylamide. of course this chemical forms more in fried foods, like a whole lot more, and also more than that in burnt foods. honestly I have eaten burnt toast before but I didn't do it often and I was okay. I have eaten baked potatoes and I never felt bad. I did stop eating all burnt foods a while back though just to be safe and so should everyone else, but I'm sure it's safe to say that there is a huge amount of fear mongering going around. everyone should follow the guidelines, so don't trust me! do your own research and ask your doctor before eating any baked potatos or burnt toast. seriously.

the bottom line here is that nobody is going to stop us from eating beans and tomatos because they're fucking great for our health and we shouldn't be swayed by fear so much. (((they))) wouldn't want us to get any kosher ideas would they? we need to consider what the motivations of all these people are who are saying these things. I'm feeling really silly for even having to bring this up. every day they invent a new thing.

best healthy carbs

beans

oats

peas

lentils

best omega 3's

walnuts

chia seeds

flax seeds

pumpkin seeds

remember to buy your chia seeds and flax seeds whole, store them in a dark cool place, and grind them at home right before use. you don't want fats that went bad. those are vulnerable to spoiling even if you don't notice.

best fats

nuts

seeds

avocados

>Choline

broccoli

asparagus

spinach

peas

nuts

>inositol

citrus fruits

nuts

another way of getting phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl inositol is to find a good source of non-gmo organic soy lecithin (but this is only if you don't mind soy)

>MSM

one of the few supplements worth taking. may have drug interactions. helps you get back your methyl groups and sulfur. long list of benefits. do your own research. only ever buy "opti-msm" because it's filtered the best. helps with low energy and fatigue and gets rid of that brain fog feeling and reduces stress. cheapest one I ever found was the vitamin shop store brand.

>Natural Calm magnesium (raspberry lemon flavor)

even if you eat tons of every single kind of food, meat or no meat- you might STILL be deficient in magnesium. you can eat food until you are throwing up or shitting your pants but you might still not have absorbed enough of magnesium for some reason. be very careful, do your own research, and talk to your doctor before doing anything.

I used it mostly to help reduce stress. alot of people who get constipated also say it helps. also helps with energy and sleep.

>Valerian root

if I have trouble sleeping I take some of this like an hour before I'm going to sleep. helps alot but you wake up feeling drunk, so don't operate heavy machinery. ask your doctor before doing this.

>some good things to always do

eat a tomato every other day, drink a lemon water smoothie with some apple cider vinegar and ginger and celery every morning, put gelatinized maca root and spirulina and hemp protein powder and a little bit of ground flax seeds (grind yourself at home fresh right before use is better) in your raw rolled oats every morning for breakfast, eat a handful of walnuts once or twice a week, eat dark purple/blue colored fruits like blueberries/acai often if you can find them or their powders cheap. amazon.com has some good deals but compare to see which one has the better price. some of the products are obviously a horrible price so watch out. use alot of herbs and spices like ginger, turmeric, cumin, etc. in alot of your food because the health benefits add up like crazy. also drink some juice from sweet onions (easier) or normal onions (better but much more painful). eating raw garlic is also really great. try to put onions and garlic in alot of your food too cooked, but it's also good to eat them raw if you can handle it. saw palmetto is really good for your prostate, hair, skin, nails, urinary tract, and milk thistle is really good for your liver and skin and it's easy to add it to your breakfast.

>on the topic of tea and coffee

warning:

drinking coffee and tea the way that I do poses a choking risk because of the liquid and sandy textures that are mixed together. don't risk this, and don't try it. It's literally like drinking wet sand. you could choke and die. you have been warned.

warning2:

before drinking tea or coffee only buy those that are organic or you are eating a bunch of poison

the reason I do it this way is that it's mostly to help increase the surface area and allow you to swallow the solid coffee and tea more easily and then digest and absorb it better.

try to get a fair priced brand of green tea like the one from costco or grab some (slightly worse deal) from wholefoods, or you could just get it loose which is much better in every way.

you can get it loose I think at amazon.com

usually I take my msm first and then wait an hour and then I take my green tea or chamomile and most other tea like spearmint and peppermint and put it in a coffee grinder and powder it until it LOOKS like matcha green tea powder. then I add it to my water and drink the tea down without filtering it. I ingest more antioxidants that way. right after I drink lemon water and eat some blueberries or other dark fruit/ dark purple fruit powder and swallow a pinch of black pepper powder to increase both antioxidant pre-absorb-ability and post-absorption by a huge percentage.

coffee is good but only like once a week max in my honest opinion.

the way I do my coffee is similar to how I do my tea

way 1:

>buy whole beans organic only. costco might have cheap.

>grind at home right before use

>add a few small spoons to a bottle of water (bpa free and reusable)

>leave in fridge for a few hours

>drink cold with the grounds in it

I actually enjoy this since I made myself get used to it.

way 2:

>same few first steps as way 1

>put few small spoons of grounds in pot with water

>bring just to the point right before boiling and then take it right off the heat and add some cool water to bring it down to just warm enough, but safe enough to drink.

>might or might not add a teaspoon of coconut oil at the end before drinking it

warning, it will be hot and can burn.

I do both ways.

Warning

there is a connection between eating meat, choline, carnitine, getting cancer and cholesterol problems, and TMAO. this is a great video explaining this. what's the funny part? doesn't get digested the same way in people who eat a strictly plant based diet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3yp0oTd1YA

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask a doctor and nutritionist before doing anything or stopping anything.

switch to a natural fluoride free toothpaste from wholefoods or something because fluoride fucks with your thyroid and hormones and endocrine system and it could and probably does cause cancer in a lot of people as a result and they probably never realize why, but besides that the hormone fuckery is enough to make you get fat and stay fat for no good reason. stop using teflon, copper, and aluminum pans and other cookware and use only pyrex and stainless steel cookware. make sure your spoons/forks/knifes are stainless steel too.

stop using storebought deodorant full of aluminum and other shit and make your own.

>witches hazel and water 50/50

>add spearmint oil and tea tree oil, maybe also rosemary and eucalyptus and other essential oils

>put it in a spray bottle and shake it up.

>if you still stink, find and add pure food grade magnesium chloride (what they add to firm tofu) at like a teaspoon per batch. (less than 10% of the bottle vs other ingredients)

stop using laundry detergent and fabric softener and buy that natural organic stuff in the giant green bottle.

stop using house/car freshners and plugins and fuhbreeze spray bullshit all over your fucking house. hang little cotton bags of lavender flowers and cloves/cinnamon sticks instead.

stop dying your hair with harsh chemicals

stop using makeup that is full of chemicals.

stop using shampoo and soap full of chemicals.

stop using lotion and moisturizer with chemicals.

there is better natural hair and skin care and makeup products out there.

bathe with castile soap/african black soap and baking soda (aluminum free) and white vinegar. moisturize your skin with coconut oil/un-refined shea butter. brush your hair with small amounts of coconut oil as conditioner and trim your ends often.

if you eat garbage food and have acne, stop eating that and switch to a plant based diet and drink alot of water and sleep with a clean towel over your pillow every night.

if you have a cell phone, put it on speaker and hold it away from your body when talking. don't use bluetooth or wireless headsets because it's the same thing as having it up in your face. don't sleep with your wifi router next to your bed, keep it in another room.

stop holding your fucking cellphone in between your boobs. fucking stop, it isn't cute.

stop carrying your cell phone near your crotch or in your back pocket. turn the phone off to the best of your ability and find a cheap cell signal blocking fabric velcro pocket case to keep it in and then turned off, put it in your pocket. I don't care if this reduces the entire country to a society of people who "beep" each other with instant text messages that check their phone every few minutes or once per hour, just fucking make the change.

stop using sunscreen full of cancer causing chemicals. get a very very big hat that casts your whole body in shade and eat alot of antioxidant rich foods every day so that you have internal sunblock (look this up)

buy non-gmo and local organic/non-gmo foods to avoid as much pesticide exposure as possible. don't buy from a local farm that can't prove it's organic or non-gmo or pesticide free, because they are probably full of shit or working for monsanto or conagra or dupont or syngenta etc. and possibly buying their things from them. find the cheapest things at wholefoods, and don't buy the scams. buying food online is also a good option.

when you drive your car or ride as a passenger suggest to leave the windows closed and use the air conditioner inside with "air circulate recycle" on inside so you breath interior air only so that you don't breath the exaust of the passing 400 different cars on the road/highway.

stay away from people who smoke.

don't stand near the microwave or induction cooktops, better yet don't even eat food or drink water that comes from them, ever.

don't eat at any fucking restaurants ever because you have no damn idea the things they do to your food back there or the bullshit the corporations allow added to the food.

quote from an anon in the thread:

>Don't sleep on a bed, sleep on a semi-hard surface such as a carpet or a hard floor with a blanket even a hammock, don't use pillows, don't lay on the stomach, lay on your back or sides. This is to actually let your body rest. If you are on a soft bed then your body can't relax because you aren't being supported by the skeletal system, rather, its just soft enough that your muscles can't entirely relax.

>Also bedsprings are coils, which are actually used in most radio technology so your bed (if is boxspring) is picking up radio signals from all over. If you have to use a bed hard foam is the best. I prefer hammock myself.

>there are even some people that make their own home made hammock beds. they get the hammock rope type material and stretch it out in a giant flat bed shape on a wood frame. I have seen guides for this all over https://hooktube.com/ and it's better than a hammock because it lets you lie down more flat than a hammock. beware that these are all home made builds and nobody has any idea how severely dangerous they may be. also remember that anything that's a hammock or like a hammock or involving ropes is extremely dangerous for babies and small children and the elderly (and everyone else too)

have you ever seen someone like this?:

>hey yea like I just stopped eating eggs and meat and all that

>totally cut out all the fish and milk and chicken too!

>"so anon what do you eat now?"

>I just drink soda and eat chips and crackers and-

>"but anon that's not healthy"

>What are you talking about? I had three plant only (no milk) doughnuts a minute ago with no milk or meat!

>see! no animal products

This is a dangerously unhealthy assumption that many people make when they believe they are switching to being fully plant based. These people are what I like to call "junkfood-snackatarians"

the diet of the junkfood-snackatarian rarely ever contains any actual fruits, herbs, or vegetables and is often severely lacking in any actual nutrients, vitamins, or minerals.

Their diet's are often 100% highly refined, heavily processed junk-snack foods like chips and soda or white bread and zero calorie artificial sweetener saturated "flavor waters".

Don't make the same mistake as them!

https://archive.is/e3OcY

>Baboumian has been a vegetarian since 2005, and became a vegan in 2011.

>Since 2009, Baboumian holds the log lift World Record (-105 kg division). He lifted 162,5 kg in his second attempt in the German log lift nationals 2009. 2010 Baboumian also set a new German heavyweight loglifting record with 180 kg. 2011 Baboumian competed at the loglifting world championship and placed 4th with a new German overall-record of 185 kg. On 21 May 2011 he lifted 190 kg in Turku, Finland winning the local competition. 2011 Baboumian also won the title of "Germany's Strongest Man" by winning the open division at the German strongman nationals. On September 20, 2015, Baboumian beat his own world record by completing the yoke walk with 560kg in Kitzcher, Germany.[1]

vegetarian since 2005

>2007 German Champion -105 kg Strongman-GFSA

>2009 German Champion -105 kg Strongman-GFSA

>2009 German Team-Champion Strongman-GFSA

>2009 German Champion log lift -GFSA

>2009 World record log lift -105 kg (165 kg)

>2010 German Champion log lift -GFSA

>2010 German record in log lift +105 kg (180 kg)

became a vegan in 2011

>2011 4th place at loglifting worldcup (185 kg)

probably had to do some research and improve on vegan methods

>2011 German record in loglifting +105 kg (185 kg)

now he's kicking ass again

>2011 German Champion and total winner in log lifting -GFSA

>2011 German record in beer keg lifiting (13 repeats)[3]

>2011 Germany's Strongest Man 2011[4]

>2012 European Champion in Powerlifting Class --140 kg division (GPA)[5]

kicks ass all the way to here and then starts kicking the worlds ass

>2012 World record beer keg lifting (150,2 kg)[6]

>2012 World record Front Hold 20 kg (1:26,14 Minuten)[7]

>2013 World record yoke-walk, 550,2 kg over 10 m in Toronto[8]

>2015 World record yoke-walk, 560 kg in 28 seconds[9]

4 more world records after going vegan

Set world records and broke PBs (personal bests) while being vegetarian and vegan.

a lot of people (mostly trolls) pretend to freak out when someone says they are plant based and automatically resort to making a bunch of harsh assumptions about them. I did years of headache inducing research and learned what combination of plant based foods to eat to get all my vitamins and minerals with minimal supplementation. I always thought meat was okay, but I never fell in love with it (even though it smells really good) but after changing my diet to include lots of greens, beans, onions, oats, fruits, nuts, seeds, I can say that I have lost weight, my bad cholesterol went down, my good cholesterol went down but then normalized back up a little, I got enough omega 3's from flax and hemp and my body produces it's own DHA (just enough to replenish it's stores) I'm getting boatloads of protein and every type of amino acid I need from spirulina and hemp powder and beans and my doctor say's my bloodwork is better than ever. I'm hitting the gym now and drinking juice from raw sweet onions and drinking lemon water and apple cider vinegar every morning and I feel more energetic than I ever have in my entire life. I eat raw garlic and then go to the gym and piss everyone off with my smell but power through my workouts like the wolverine and get random boners like when I was 10 that threaten to rip right through my shorts. I don't drink milk, or eat eggs or cheese or fish or anything that comes from any animal so I guess I'm accidentally-technically plant based; but I just call myself a plant man. I'm sure this will piss some people off but I wanted to be honest, so those people can fuck right off. healthy travels to healthy bros.

it may also surprise you but I believe that babies benefit from being breastfed by their mothers for healthy brain development, v3gan or not. as a v3gan I'm still pro breast feeding as long as the mother isn't smoking/drinking/eating a horrible diet. the size of the breast is irrelevant, what matters is the type of breast you are getting your milk from. your mother, or an animal.

I'm Not a doctor or a nutritionist. ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing anything.

HOW TO MAKE YOUR OWN HIGH PROTEIN AND AMINO ACID MULTIVITAMIN CEREAL AND NUTMILK

to make nutmilk

>cashews and almonds

>water

>you control how much (don't accidentally make watery nut butter)

>blend it up until creamy and watery

>leave the fiber in! no need to filter it! that's stupid!

>only make what you will use right away. don't store it.

>rolled oats

>almonds

>cashews

>raisins

>walnuts

>pecans

>pistachios

>dried fruit

>dark chocolate pieces

>hemp protein powder

>freshly ground flax and chia seeds

>cinnamon (sweet variety or ceylon cinnamon/ verum goes by a few names)

>pumpkin seeds

>banana flakes

>carrot powder

>poppy seeds

>sesame seeds

>some oat bran if you like

>you might also want to add some spirulina, maca root, cocoa powder, milk thistle powder, fenugreek powder, and a pinch of saw palmetto for the extra flavor and health benefits. (spirulina will turn it green)

>pinch of pepper

>pinch of pink himalayan salt

>a little allspice

>a little ginger

>a little clove powder

>a little real vanilla

>mix it all up

>put in container

>container goes in freezer

>if you can get it all usda organic or biologique, all nuts and seeds and ingredients must be raw, not pasteurized or cooked.

>at the very least get it non-gmo

>basically is a multivitamin that doesn't go bad for over a year if you are extremely careful about it. (keep it frozen when not using it)

you could also dump a can of pumpkin in this! it's like pumpkin pie cereal!

if you can't find some of the ingredients just do your best. it will still come out tasty. find fair and affordable prices and be careful to not get scammed. if it seems too expensive, don't buy it.

Want to know the secret truth about protein bars?

most protein bars are just as bad, if not worse than the junk food snack bars sold next to the lines at shopping stores. you can actually convert my home made cereal recipe into a cereal protein bar by the way. just add a little peanut butter (only peanuts and maybe a little sea salt. no other ingredients. read the jar before you buy it. you want the real peanut butter) until it sticks together and then and smash it together and press it into bar shapes. "walla."

fun salad recipe for beginners

(just get what ingredients you can)

>can of black beans

>can of dark red kidney beans

>drain juice from beans and put them in a big bowl

>get baby carrots

>add to bowl

>get celery, chop, add to bowl

>you should have beans, carrots, all these things chopped to around the same size to make spooning easy

>avocado

>chop to same size pieces as the rest of the stuff

>do same with tomato

>add a teaspoon of coconut oil and/or hempseed oil over the top (optional) (don't do this if allergic!)

>little pink himalayan salt

>little black pepper (the salt shaker type of pepper)

>little fresh basil

>little oregano

>crush one garlic clove and mix it in

>big dash of onion powder and mix it in

>add some cucumber (diced)

>mix everything really good

>squeeze some lemon and lime over it

>make lemon lime onade as drink

>watermelon as desert

here is a good one:

>peas

>carrots

>onions

>garlic

>celery

>broccoli

>add to a pot with some water

>make veg stew

or

>don't add the celery

>use all the other ingredients

>put it in a pyrex in the oven

>onions and garlic at the bottom so they caramelize

>slow bake it until the onions underneath (don't make this too thick or it wont cook evenly!) are caramelized and the top of the veg is crispy and golden brown

protip: you don't have to use oil, just cook on a lower temp for longer so you get some crisp

anyone else got some good plant based recipes?

oh and I forgot, you can add some soy beans (out of the pod) (and remember always organic or you are getting some horrible pesticide soy!). they blend in nicely along side the peas, but add alot of extra texture contrast and some nice after flavors.

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing anything.

>>131460

weird words are to avoid word filters. sorry bout that.

so basically you can just do everything but avoid the soy/ tea tree oil etc. and you're good to go! just ask your doctor first.

>>131466

I'll certainly give this a try, thank you for the information.

np God bless.

Now I remember why I ditched fit. I got tired of years of showing vegcucks how retarded they are.

Eat rat poison if you want, OP. I don't care anymore.

Veganism isn't healthy. Eat meat and eat your greens. People can accidentally live while eating an omnivore diet, but people can't accidentally live while eating a vegan diet. If you don't know what you're doing you're going to seriously mess up your body.

>>131516

Honestly, the idea of going full vegan just doesn't seem very sustainable for me, currently live at home and we don't have much money.

>>131528

Fair enough, plus I like cheese and milk, to give that up just sounds awful.

>>131521

>>131516

lol, oh, it's on the damn pic

>>131528

Like this anon said, if you don't know what you're doing you could seriously mess up your body.

Since you're a burger, it is more expensive.

Honestly, it's not for the gays, and you can be healthy while doing it, but it's more of a moral choice than a healthy one.

The only reason vegans can have their dumbass diet anyways is agriculture, which wouldn't have happened had we not somehow harnessed fire and started cooking our meat for millennia, making it easier to digest and giving us more calories for our brains to grow. We'd still be some scavenger bery picker that barely gets by and certainly wouldn't have developed advanced technology without cooking meat.

There's no vitamin A, active B6, B12, D3, active F (no DHA or EPA), or K2.

Vitamin A can supposedly be converted from carotenoids, however only about 1/2 of people have the gene to create the bile salt to synthesize it. An even if you do have the gene, not only is the synthesis of retenoids inefficient (between 5 and 20 carotenoid molecules for every retenoid) but has a very low bioavailability. 100g of beef liver is has the vitamin A equivalent of 5lb of cooked carrots and 50lb of raw carrots when factoring bioavailability.

There are two animal versions of B6 that vegans can't get.

B12 is created in the colon past the ilium meaning only around 2% of it can be absorbed by the body.

D3 is the most bioactive D vitamin and can only be found in animal foods.

Likewise, ALA (vitamin F) can be converted to DHA with an efficiency of about 5%.

The reason why we lost the ability to synthesize many of these vitamins is due to the fact that we only began eating plant foods approximately 50,000 years ago. Between 2 million and 50,000 years ago we were carnivores.

The fundamental difference between a carnivore and a herbivore is the usage of bacteria to ferment plant matter. Since there is not a single vertebrate on this planet that creates the cellulase enzyme, herbivores must make use of bacteria in their gut to digest their food. Ruminants (pre-gastric fermenters) have four-chambered stomachs with folds to increase the surface area in order to ferment plant matter. Post-gastric fermented use elongated colons and caecums to ferment the plant matter that they eat. And what do these bacteria metabolize plant matter into? Saturated free fatty acids. About 80% of a ruminant's diet ends up being fat, and likewise about 70% of a post-gastric fermenter's diet ends up being fat.

Clearly in ascertaining whether humans are herbivores, it must be noted where bacteria live in the human biome. We clearly aren't ruminants, but we might be post-gastric fermenters, however, our caecum has evolved to be a tiny appendix, and we have a longer short intestine and larger colon, whereas primates have the opposite. Also their digestion system is about 3 times the size of ours.

Among other things plant foods have antinutrients (phytates and oxalates), endocrine disruptors (isoflavens which are estrogenic, lectins), and enzyme inhibitors, while animal foods don't. Plant foods evolved toxins as defense mechanisms while animals evolved fangs and claws.

Basically just watch vid related.

>>131474

>eat healthy

<"EAT RAT POSION UR SO GAY LELELEL"

<as they eat burgers and hotdogs

>>131516

yea It will really hold your gains back bros

https://archive.is/e3OcY

>Baboumian has been a vegetarian since 2005, and became a vegan in 2011.

>Since 2009, Baboumian holds the log lift World Record (-105 kg division). He lifted 162,5 kg in his second attempt in the German log lift nationals 2009. 2010 Baboumian also set a new German heavyweight loglifting record with 180 kg. 2011 Baboumian competed at the loglifting world championship and placed 4th with a new German overall-record of 185 kg. On 21 May 2011 he lifted 190 kg in Turku, Finland winning the local competition. 2011 Baboumian also won the title of "Germany's Strongest Man" by winning the open division at the German strongman nationals. On September 20, 2015, Baboumian beat his own world record by completing the yoke walk with 560kg in Kitzcher, Germany.[1]

vegetarian since 2005

>2007 German Champion -105 kg Strongman-GFSA

>2009 German Champion -105 kg Strongman-GFSA

>2009 German Team-Champion Strongman-GFSA

>2009 German Champion log lift -GFSA

>2009 World record log lift -105 kg (165 kg)

>2010 German Champion log lift -GFSA

>2010 German record in log lift +105 kg (180 kg)

became a vegan in 2011

>2011 4th place at loglifting worldcup (185 kg)

probably had to do some research and improve on vegan methods

>2011 German record in loglifting +105 kg (185 kg)

now he's kicking ass again

>2011 German Champion and total winner in log lifting -GFSA

>2011 German record in beer keg lifiting (13 repeats)[3]

>2011 Germany's Strongest Man 2011[4]

>2012 European Champion in Powerlifting Class --140 kg division (GPA)[5]

kicks ass all the way to here and then starts kicking the worlds ass

>2012 World record beer keg lifting (150,2 kg)[6]

>2012 World record Front Hold 20 kg (1:26,14 Minuten)[7]

>2013 World record yoke-walk, 550,2 kg over 10 m in Toronto[8]

>2015 World record yoke-walk, 560 kg in 28 seconds[9]

4 more world records after going vegan

Set world records and broke PBs (personal bests) while being vegetarian and vegan.

>>131528

it's the right thing to do to teach people the right way to eat a whole plant based diet so they can do it correctly. ask a certified nutritionist whos also a vegan.

>>131546

it's not just a moral choice, it's an intelligent choice. vegans are so stupid and can only eat this way because of argiculture right? well meat eaters can only eat burgers every day because of the modern beef and dairy and animal product industries. just try to support humanity of 7 billion+ on hunting and gathering. all animals would be wiped out into extinction.

meat eaters are not so smart because they grow tons of plant food and take it and feed it to a small amount of animals and then eat those animals. vegans just eat the plant foods. much more efficient and sustainable and healthy.

>>131548

>Vitamin A can supposedly be converted from carotenoids, however only about 1/2 of people have the gene to create the bile salt to synthesize it. An even if you do have the gene, not only is the synthesis of retenoids inefficient (between 5 and 20 carotenoid molecules for every retenoid) but has a very low bioavailability. 100g of beef liver is has the vitamin A equivalent of 5lb of cooked carrots and 50lb of raw carrots when factoring bioavailability.

vegans who eat a lot of leafy green vegetables get ASSLOADS of vitamin A.

>There are two animal versions of B6 that vegans can't get.

sad if true, but there are loads more versions of b6 that vegans can and do get from plants.

>B12 is created in the colon past the ilium meaning only around 2% of it can be absorbed by the body.

irrelevant information as all people have colons, vegans or otherwise. everyone is defficient.

>D3 is the most bioactive D vitamin and can only be found in animal foods.

go look up organic vegan D3 cholecalciferol.

>Likewise, ALA (vitamin F) can be converted to DHA with an efficiency of about 5%.

as a vegan if you eat enough omega3 from hemp seeds, chia seeds, flax seeds, pumpkin seeds, walnuts, your body will make enough DHA for you.

>The reason why we lost the ability to synthesize many of these vitamins is due to the fact that we only began eating plant foods approximately 50,000 years ago. Between 2 million and 50,000 years ago we were carnivores.

can you prove this with undeniable certainty? show me the facts that any human being alive today really knows what went on 50,000 years ago.

>The fundamental difference between a carnivore and a herbivore is the usage of bacteria to ferment plant matter. Since there is not a single vertebrate on this planet that creates the cellulase enzyme, herbivores must make use of bacteria in their gut to digest their food. Ruminants (pre-gastric fermenters) have four-chambered stomachs with folds to increase the surface area in order to ferment plant matter. Post-gastric fermented use elongated colons and caecums to ferment the plant matter that they eat. And what do these bacteria metabolize plant matter into? Saturated free fatty acids. About 80% of a ruminant's diet ends up being fat, and likewise about 70% of a post-gastric fermenter's diet ends up being fat.

what's the argument here? I can just go eat some nuts and seeds.

>Clearly in ascertaining whether humans are herbivores, it must be noted where bacteria live in the human biome. We clearly aren't ruminants, but we might be post-gastric fermenters, however, our caecum has evolved to be a tiny appendix, and we have a longer short intestine and larger colon, whereas primates have the opposite. Also their digestion system is about 3 times the size of ours.

and?

>>131548

>Among other things plant foods have antinutrients (phytates and oxalates), endocrine disruptors (isoflavens which are estrogenic, lectins), and enzyme inhibitors, while animal foods don't. Plant foods evolved toxins as defense mechanisms while animals evolved fangs and claws.

"lectins", "phytate", and "acrylamide" "muh soy phytoestrogens" "muh disruptors" "muh inhibitors" recently there's been a huge out-shilling of fake news weirdos freaking out about how some people ate raw (uncooked hard beans! what a bunch of irresponsible and careless idiots!) and got sick and died, and are trying to fear monger everyone about the lectin content in beans and also their phytate content. just to clear things up, they are freaking out because they want to demonize healthy food options to subtly dissuade people from eating a healthy whole unprocessed plant based diet.

because remember: your sick and unhealthy body is where the money is at. they want you on paying for prescription drugs with tons of side effects for the rest of your life. they want your health to be a downloadable content monthly video game subscription with multiple different fees. basically it's a breathing tax. they keep you ignorant, you keep eating trash, you stop paying them for the drugs that keep you alive, you stop breathing. game. over. you want to hear somethin hilarious? if you boil your beans and properly cook them long enough, the amount of phytate and lectins go down so much that it's safe to eat. want to know something else? tomatos have lectins in them. nobody ever freaked the fuck out about tomatos. there are a few studies that suggest that while large amounts of phytate and lectins are no good (very dangerous in fact), that very small amounts have some antioxidant activity. people have also been eating beans and tomatoes for thousands of years.

the next thing up is "acrylamide". to put things simply, they want you to believe that if you bake a potato in the oven that you create a dangerous chemical on the outside called acrylamide. of course this chemical forms more in fried foods, like a whole lot more, and also more than that in burnt foods. honestly I have eaten burnt toast before but I didn't do it often and I was okay. I have eaten baked potatoes and I never felt bad. I did stop eating all burnt foods a while back though just to be safe and so should everyone else, but I'm sure it's safe to say that there is a huge amount of fear mongering going around. everyone should follow the guidelines, so don't trust me! do your own research and ask your doctor before eating any baked potatos or burnt toast. seriously.

the bottom line here is that nobody is going to stop us from eating beans and tomatos because they're fucking great for our health and we shouldn't be swayed by fear so much. (((they))) wouldn't want us to get any kosher ideas would they? we need to consider what the motivations of all these people are who are saying these things. I'm feeling really silly for even having to bring this up. every day they invent a new thing.

meat eaters scream in fear about the phytoestrogen in soy but they have no problem drinking milk and eating meat and fish which are LOADED with hormones and estrogen.

watch out for these shills! they want to keep you unhealthy by making veganism seem un-manly so you pay them in medical bills! (((big pharma))) is heavily invested in keeping you fucked up!

>>131446 (OP)

>also because of a sad notion that she'll want me despite her already being taken

Make reasonable life choices

>>131615

wow almost missed that. yea OP don't cuck anyone but also don't cuck yourself. being healthy is a good start though.

>>131612

>vegans who eat a lot of leafy green vegetables get ASSLOADS of vitamin A.

>Ignores that he's talking about ease of access

>irrelevant information as all people have colons, vegans or otherwise. everyone is defficient.

>as a vegan if you eat enough omega3 from hemp seeds, chia seeds, flax seeds, pumpkin seeds, walnuts, your body will make enough DHA for you.

You're ignoring the information provided.

>can you prove this with undeniable certainty?

Nothing can be proven with undeniable certainty.

>and?

We're designed to eat meat.

>>131620

>vegans who eat a lot of leafy green vegetables get ASSLOADS of vitamin A.

<Ignores that he's talking about ease of access

it's easy to get fruits and vegetables, you mad?

<You're ignoring the information provided.

anyone reading can easily see I was responding to what you said and debating your points and defeating them. I didn't ignore, I considered and disagreed and then I proved you wrong.

>and?

<We're designed to eat meat.

all you did was disagree and restate your argument. shill detected on radar!

>>131446 (OP)

Stating the obvious, it's not exclusively for the gays. I'm sure there is homosexual people who are vegan, but then again a lot of people are vegan. To do or not to do, well, that's 100 percent the individuals choice. Personally no I would never go vegan. Most of the bodybuilders, regardless of dietary choices, are on anabolics. So I wouldn't get too lost in the idea of what some bodybuilder is doing. Also veganism was founded in 1942 by a philosopher and was never created under the pretenses of improving human health. It was completely a animal rights movement. Vegans also die from colon cancer and heart failure at a seemingly higher rate then omnivore eaters. Although there does seem to be a slight drop in coronary artery incidence among vegans. Though this could simply be a matter of vegans eating more fresh foods and refraining from bad habits. Unlike most people on a standard diet. Just not enough solid evidence for me.

>>131628

>it's easy to get fruits and vegetables, you mad?

No, because I don't have to eat 50 pounds of vegetables.

>anyone reading can easily see I was responding to what you

I'm not the person you were replying to.

>said and debating your points and defeating them.

You both ignored the information provided and starting arguing something that wasn't being argued.

>all you did was disagree and restate your argument.

You said "and?", as in you were confused. I was clarifying why the other anon said it.

>>131629

lies, vegans get less cancer.

>>131632

Because I want to add my opinion.

>>131641

*creatine

but lysine (carnitine precursor) is found at its highest amount in fish anyway, so the point still works

>>131447

>only garden of life vegan organic B12 and D3 and vitamin shop brand optiMSM and naturalcalm magnesium

Yes, because the quality of pill vitamins is so high nowadays.

KYS

>>131634

but you were responding as if you were them, which makes no sense.

>>131641

>just try to support humanity of 7 billion+ on hunting and gathering. all animals would be wiped out into extinction.

<The only reason the world population has increased to 7 billion was because of grain production. Those atop the food chain would be lower in number than those below, due to nutrient density of foods that they eat. In a more natural time this would be the case. However still, there are 3 chickens for every person on this planet.

Yes that's because we breed those chickens on purpose anon!

>much more efficient and sustainable

<You understand that herbivores are literally eating 15-18 hours a day right?

I don't have four stomaches like a cow or something but I eat enough fruit and veg to get my nutrient needs.

>and healthy.

<Tell that to the vegan children that get rickets.

isn't rickets another name for scurvy? scurvy is lack of vitamin C. lemons have a buttload of vitamin C. lemons are vegan, vegans eat lemons. please anon tell me another story of some fucking retard vegan who didn't have any knowledge of nutrition AT ALL, and fucked up really bad… because they totally represent all other vegans who do it correctly! not

>vegans who eat a lot of leafy green vegetables get ASSLOADS of vitamin A.

<You can only get vitamin A from plant sources if you have the genetics for it

show me some scientific facts and citations about this but as of now I don't believe you because I have been vegan for years and if all these vegans didn't properly absorb vitamin A they would all be dead.

<Also you're completely ignoring the bioavailability. Can you honestly eat 5lbs of cooked carrots in one sitting?

I don't need to eat 5lbs of carrots, I can eat plenty of other plant foods like spinach and so on to get enough. it's actually really easy to get too much vitamin A for me.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647

<If the proportions are equal to the general population, 50% of vegans literally cannot synthesize any vitamin A from their diet and are just using up their fat and liver stores before they get sick enough to realize veganism isn't a healthy diet. That usually takes around 2 years.

Sad if true, but like I said vegans would be dying everywhere all over the place but this isn't true. been vegan for more than 2 years and have heard countless success stories from other people.

>irrelevant information as all people have colons, vegans or otherwise. everyone is defficient.

<My point was, if you don't get it from the diet you can't synthesize it in great enough amounts for optimal health.

and who gets enough of that from their diet? pretty much nobody. everyone meat eaters and vegans alike have problems getting dietary b12 and even then it's tough absorbing it. that's why everyone should consult their doctor and supplement the level of b12 they are told they need.

>go look up organic vegan D3 cholecalciferol.

<Made in a lab after being extracted through industrial means. BTW think about where the word cholecalciferol comes from. cholesterol.

oh no, that means that everyone who gets a ton of sunlight (not good for skin) and produces their own D3 gets high cholesterol and dies! oh shit! NOT! what kind of fear mongering is this man? go call up garden of life and ask them where they get it from, you'll be quite surprised.

>>131641

>as a vegan if you eat enough omega3 from hemp seeds, chia seeds, flax seeds, pumpkin seeds, walnuts, your body will make enough DHA for you.

<Clearly you don't as you can't even understand half of my points.

hurr durr I'm sofa king wee todd did because I eat healthy. pssh cmon really? just because your body makes DHA slowly doesn't mean you can't make enough.

>can you prove this with undeniable certainty? show me the facts that any human being alive today really knows what went on 50,000 years ago.

<Look up coprolites. They're fossilized dung, and were analyzed for content. Undigested animal matter (feathers, egg shells, bones, etc) was found in homonid coprolites dated previous to 50,000 years ago, however plant fiber and seeds only started showing up 50,000 years ago

if you're gonna believe what they say about that then you'll also have to believe what they said about people having shorter lifespans back then as a result of many different factors (like dangerous environment, but also health issues as well)

>what's the argument here? I can just go eat some nuts and seeds.

<You'd understand my argument if you got enough DHA (vegans get brain shrinkage lol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18779510). First point I made was that even herbivores are on a ketogenic diet. Second point was that we cannot sustain a high fat diet on plant matter because we do not have the proper digestive tract length to ferment plant fiber into free fatty acids. The proof for this is that we are clearly not a ruminant, and we also can't be a post-gastric fermenter as we lost our caecum through evolution and our digestive tract shrink by a factor of about 3 over the past 6 or so million years. We also can only absorb about 2% of the nutrition past the ilium, where B12 is created. Half of the nutrition in a plant cannot be metabolized by humans because we cannot adequetely break down plant fibers into free fatty acids.

I digest my broccoli quite well and I don't have worries about breaking down plant fiber into fatty acids I can get from another food source like flax seeds without any issues. I have no doubts that I'm extracting the nutrients I need. just because our digestive systems aren't impossibly perfect digestion machines from the future with 100% efficiency and leave some things behind in our crap doesn't mean that we digest nothing at all. we do digest a good portion and its kept humanity alive. if you're gonna call vegans inefficient just because they don't digest 100% of the matter they consume then you have to apply the same argument to meat eaters. "meat eaters! how do they fill themselves up with all that meat and and vegetables and still get all their vitamins and minerals!?" I mean if vegans supposedly have trouble (bullshit) absorbing nutrients from their food, imagine meat eaters that only have some plantfoods instead of 100% plantfoods. none of us are perfect but we do digest enough to get what we need, I would argue that vegans who know what they are doing and get all their necessary nutrients absorb more vitamins and minerals than meat eaters do.

>>131641

<We have enzymes to break down cholesterol, butterfat and a gal bladder for breaking down saturated fats from animal flesh. Why would we have these things if we weren't meant to eat meat.

if I really wanted to I could just eat some coconut to get saturated fat (not like I want to eat so much of that anyway). why would I eat butter if it has all those estrogens from the cow and increases my risk of cancer?

<Like clockwork. Every fucking vegan thinks that anyone opposed to their insane, nutrient deficient diet is a shill of the industrial meat business. They accuse meat eaters of supporting big pharma, while THEY have to constantly buy B12 supplements so they won't get hallucinations from deficiency. I don't buy a single supplement. Carnitine is meat, BCAA is meat/eggs, etc. If you can't get these from natural sources, THEN you have to support big pharma. Hell, you take a D3 supplement from big pharma.

you are a bunch of shills or hardheaded losers who have been eating shit your entire lives and are afraid to change because your so accustomed and familar with what you have already been doing your whole lives and you see anyone who does anything better than you as some kind of weird threat that you need to chase down and discredit and destroy out of jealously. "oh no us vegans are supporting big pharma by buying a bottle of b12 every now and then!! but those meat eaters who get diabetes and heart disease and athrosclerotic plaques and high cholesterol and a million other horrible health issues and the gorrilion pills they need every year just to stay alive are GOOD GOYS! they dindu nuffin! lets ignore the billions of dollars (((fastfood))) makes every year to help (((big pharma))) make double or triple that, damn us nasty vegans for buying some b12! we are so much worse!!!!

<And I'm fucking tired of you faggots being soy apologists. There's many orders of magnitude of difference between the estrogen in milk and soy. Plus if you get raw, grass-fed milk from cows without bovine growth hormone, the danger of estrogen is almost nil.

except that cows need to get pregnant or get dosed with drugs or be genetically modified to give milk, so either way you are getting dosed with a shitload of estrogen. I rather eat some organic soy and get some estrogen than drink milk and get that kind of estrogen while increasing my risk for prostate cancer! no thanks!

>>131641

>making veganism seem un-manly

<You faggots do that for us. It's very common for male vegans to lose their sex drive, and for female vegans to stop having their periods completely. Just search 'vegan without period' on youtube.

again, a few stupid uneducated people with no knowledge of nutrition don't in any way represent the larger group of vegans who eat the right way. you're desperately grasping at straws and trying to use faulty examples and apply them to a larger group for petty reasons.

you are severely insecure even to yourself about what you eat. it's almost as if you know that what you eat is fucking crap and you feel the need to verbally fight anyone who believes in eating anything better than you because you have a dietary inferiority complex and can't accept the fact that someone else is eating something better that you are. this probably dates back to some ancient survival mechanism that caused some ancient person a lot of survival related stress and worries when they saw their figurative "neighbor" eating better foods and made them think about their own poor chance of surviving compared to them. you should shake off that feeling and do what you have the power to do right now. stop buying expensive unhealthy food and go to the store and buy healthier foods at a fair price and improve yourself. it's the obvious and logical thing to do for long and short term health. I'm not a doctor, so don't even trust me. but go and make an effort, do your own research, and talk to your own doctor before trying it. it's a whole new world and it's waiting for you to jump in.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181

<They get more colon cancer, and there's no RCTs only associative studies, meaning they can't take out all variables. Vegetarians are less likely to smoke, drink and apply chemicals to their body (as long as they aren't B12 supplements), so this skews the results.

so you admit that you don't know anything and you're just talking shit to support your side of the argument. I accept your defeat.

>>131650

I admire your distrust for storebought supplements. everyone should be wary of that, but there is nothing wrong with doing your research and trusting a good brand once you've found one. always ask your doctor first.

>>131642

why would I eat fish when I could just eat some hemp protein powder loaded with amino acids?

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=86wnNSffdQM

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=wNvvWW7ueI4

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=I60O474F_GI

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=tOAc71p-PLg

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=UNwXal7h1K4

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=UD-2KiBRrck

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=3l9T9t4s3uk

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=X_RKtP4D9uI

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=jcY3bzte3cg

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=0iMaNqAyljs

http s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_fish

https://archive.is/y2SuP

htt p://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/genetically-engineered-foods/stop-frankenfish/

https://archive.is/b62Yj

htt p://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/issues/309/ge-fish

https://archive.is/spbhp

htt p://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/25/canada-genetically-modified-salmon-commercial

https://archive.is/R1vaM

htt p://www.livescience.com/25799-frankenfish-salmon-gmo.html

https://archive.is/XkOO8

The obesogen (chemicals that signal cells to turn into fat cells) organotin has been found in large amounts in fish.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16690801

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16807202

High levels of PCB (industrial toxin) in fish oil, fish, and eggs (94% of eggs tested).

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/de/scdocs/doc/1701.pdf

Even when meat consumption is reduced to only fish and eggs, insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) remained relatively the same.

Notes: IGF-1 has been shown to promote cancer growth.

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/11/11/1441.full.pdf+html

Fire retardant chemicals (PBDE) and polychlorinated naphthalenes (PCNs) found heavily in meats.

Notes: For PBDEs, fish was the worst offender.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1626425/pdf/ehp0114-001515.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21491934

Perfluorochemicals (linked to thyroid disease) exposure comes from meat, fish, and eggs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20377175

Xenoestrogens (human made chemicals with estrogenic effects) have been found the most in fish.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12477510

Methionine (an amino acid) is required for many cancers and tumors to stay alive and grow. Methionine is found virtually only in animal products (with eggs, fish, and chicken being the worst).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4524624

Mercury in fish shown to outweigh benefits of omega-3s when it comes to brain development (specifically IQ).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22079313

Some chemicals (dioxins, PCB, and DDE) found in fish have half lives as high as 10 years.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600453/

>>131698

is this the same person?

>lose interet argument

>post anime face and trolling accusation

I don't know why instead of getting hurt that your wrong and I'm right, don't you simply instead be happy that you learned something new? please go talk to your doctor. no troll, no sarcasm, no bullshit. I do what I do and say what I say because I really want to do good. I have been successful in my own life so why wouldn't I want to share it with others?

>>131699

Can you not in your soon-to-be vestigial comprehend more than one person posting at the same time?

>>131701

>vestigial brain

>>131701

>no ID's

>only flags

are you willing to assume every american flag is the same exact person?

>>131446 (OP)

>veganism

>I was thinking of doing it

>because of a sad notion that she'll want me

Kill yourself, pathetic cuck. I wouldn't consider going vegan for the finest pussy on the planet. And you're delusional if you think changing yourself the way a woman wants is going to make her attracted to you- it will very much do the opposite.

>health reasons

Like turning you into a faggot, melting away all your precious gainz and replacing them with mantits?

>should I just forget about it

Obviously.

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT MEAT

>>131714

Well alright then, was just asking.

>>131714

OP should forget about the women. Go vegan for YOURSELF. become healtheir to better yourself for YOU, not for someone else.

>>131726

Yeah, I posted this thread after feeling shitty over the conversation I had with the girl.

I would give veganism a chance, it just doesn't seem very possible right now, I don't have much money.

>>131734

farmers markets sometimes have really cheap fruit and veg. beans canned or dry depending on the brand are also super cheap.

>>131734

>I don't have much money

Meat, Cheese, Milk and Eggs are literally the most expensive things on a shopping list.

Just eat rice and beans.

RICE AND BEANS!

boom, cheap healthy vegan.

>>131738

replace rice with oats instead. rice mushrooms chicken have a shitload of arsenic. oats have better nutrients than rice anyway. oats and beans is so fucking delicious.

>>131697

>just eat kike pills

no

>>131446 (OP)

Veganism is for soyboy leftist, lmfao!

Humans are number fucking one. Pussies who throw that away don't just shame their ancestors, they shame our entire species.

>>131775

>hemp protein powder is a pill

are you retarded? who am I kidding you intentionally play dumb to shill against healthy eating.

>>131777

all these shills are doing is trying to use peer pressure to bully you into not eating healthy. don't fall for it.

Just eat a big goddamn salad everyday after you slaughter 8oz of chicken or fish along with it

>>131818

all these unhealthycucks want you to eat your veg and add just a little shit to your diet.

>just drink a litttttttle soda

>just drink a litttttttttttle beer

>just have a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttlee pizza

>just eat a llllllllllllllllllllllliiittle doughnut

>just have a llllllllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttllllllllee chips

>just smoke a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle

NOPE fuck you I'm eating only healthy

>>131832

>That reddit-tier post

>>131833

>the everything I disagree with is from reddit meme

back to 4chan

>>131446 (OP)

Yes.

/thread

>>131832

>equating meat, something natural we evolved to consume, to artificial creations that are legitimately bad for you

Seriously kill yourself.

>>131895

On topic tbh, I don't blame vegans for making their choice based on a moral foundation, but I've noticed that some of them use their veganism to excuse junk food. I get that it's a hard diet but between the junk food and the incomplete nutrients I'd be afraid of fucking up my body real bad.

Also, to any vegans who do it for the moral implications: would you eat test tube/lab grown meat?

>>131898

>On topic tbh, I don't blame vegans for making their choice based on a moral foundation, but I've noticed that some of them use their veganism to excuse junk food. I get that it's a hard diet but between the junk food and the incomplete nutrients I'd be afraid of fucking up my body real bad.

That's not a vegan. that's a parasitic loser who claims to be a vegan but is in fact a "junkfood-snackatarian"

>hurrrr I eat soda and chips! see, no meat. totally vegan!

>Also, to any vegans who do it for the moral implications: would you eat test tube/lab grown meat?

I wouldn't because even if no suffering was involved it's still a shitty health choice.

>>131532

Dairy is a hormone disruptor.

The reason it's harder than even sugar to get away from is that BCM7 is an opioid antagonist.

Indole-3-Carbinol can only do so much to clear out hormone disruptors.

I recommend cutting soy and dairy from the diet.

25% grains, 25% SOAKED legumes/nuts (to reduce phytates), at least 1 can of sardines a day (Omega 3), 15% meat, 10% fat (EVOO, goat cheese, mayo) and 25% greens.

You can't do 1 dollar a meal and be healthy.

Choose. Do you spend more on food or do you pay for it later with a 600,000 dollar cancer treatment and a 20,000 dollar funeral?

>>131926

>1 can of sardines a day (Omega 3)

>or do you pay for it later with a 600,000 dollar cancer treatment and a 20,000 dollar funeral?

Cancer Res 1998 Aug 1;58(15):3312-9. Dietary omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids promote colon carcinoma metastasis in rat liver.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9699661

Clin Exp Metastasis 2000;18(5):371-7. Promotion of colon cancer metastases in rat liver by fish oil diet is not due to reduced stroma formation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11467768

>>131926

Ironically, avoiding dairy and the stearic acid within the milk fat, could make cancer more likely.

Int J Cancer. 1984 Oct 15;34(4):529-33. Effect of dietary stearic acid on the genesis of spontaneous mammary adenocarcinomas in strain A/ST mice. Bennett AS.

<Strain A/ST female mice maintained on a high fat (15%) diet in which stearic acid was the major lipid component developed initial spontaneous mammary adenocarcinomas at an older age than mice fed a low fat (4.5%) stock diet. Mice placed on the SA diet at weaning developed tumors at 15.7 ± 0.87 months compared to 12.7 ± 0.43 months for those retained on the stock diet (p<.05). Placing mice on the SA diet at 11.5 months resulted in a smaller but significant increase in the latency period (5.0 ± 0.86 vs 3.0 ± 0.57 months ± 0.57 mo), (p< .05). Fatty acid analyses of non-tumorous mammary tissue from mid-pregnant mice and of tumor tissues showed that feeding large amounts of 18:0 did not result in increases in the proportion of 18:0. Significant reductions in the percentages of polyun-saturated fatty acids (PUFA) was found in tissues on mice fed the SA diet. The percentage of 18:2 was reduced in both types of tissues; 20:3 and 20:4 was reduced in tumor tissues. […] These results suggest that dietary stearic acid interferes with the availability of certain PUFA required for tumor production.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.2910340416/full

>>131926

replace the omega3 and fat with flax seeds, chia seeds, avocadp, other nuts, seeds etc, instead of sardines and mayo and you're golden.

>>131697

>>131927

>implying you should never eat omega3

whoa retard alert

>>131936

avocado*

>>131937

I think foremost, the burden is on those who imply any polyunsaturated fats are nutritionally essential to provide experimental evidence to support the idea.

>>131936

Figueiredo, M., et al. (2015). Maternal flaxseed diet during lactation changes adrenal function in adult male rat offspring. British Journal of Nutrition, 114(7), 1046-1053. doi:10.1017/S0007114515002184

<we hypothesised that maternal flaxseed intake during lactation could induce several metabolic dysfunctions in adult offspring. […] After weaning, pups from the FLAX group had a higher body weight (+10 %) and food intake (+10 %). At PN180, the FLAX offspring exhibited higher serum corticosterone (+48 %) and lower adrenal catecholamine ( − 23 %) contents, lower glycogen ( − 30 %), higher cholesterol (4-fold increase) and TAG (3-fold-increase) contents in the liver, and higher 11β-HSD1 (+62 %) protein expression. Although the protein expression of hypothalamic CRH was unaffected, the FLAX offspring had lower protein expression of pituitary ACTH ( − 34 %). Therefore, induction of hypercorticosteronaemia by dietary flaxseed during lactation may be due to an increased hepatic activation of 11β-HSD1 and suppression of ACTH. The changes in the liver fat content of the FLAX group are suggestive of steatosis, in which hypercorticosteronaemia may play an important role. Thus, it is recommended that lactating women restrict the intake of flaxseed during lactation.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/maternal-flaxseed-diet-during-lactation-changes-adrenal-function-in-adult-male-rat-offspring/DE3AF586881A1268628A6252411A2845

S. Leeson, J.D. Summers. (2009). Commercial Poultry Nutrition Nottingham University Press. p.45.

<With laying hens, there may be transitory problems with suddenly incorporating 8-10% flaxseed in the diet, usually manifested as reduced feed intake and/or wet sticky manure. These problems can usually be overcome by gradual introduction of flaxseed, using for ex -ample, 4% for one week, followed by 6% for another week and then the final 8-10% inclusion. It usually takes 15-20 d in order for omega-3 content of eggs to plateau at the desired level of 300 mg/egg. With prolonged feeding there is often greater incidence of liver hemorrhage in layers, even though mortality is rarely affected. Such hemorrhaging occurs even in the presence of 100-250 IU vitamin E/kg diet, which is a regular addition to flax-based diets. Disruption to liver function may become problematic if other stressors occur.

https://books.google.com/books?id=H7WxAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA45&ots=4hWR7vCeGF&dq=With%20prolonged%20feeding%20there%20is%20often%20greater%20incidence%20of%20liver%20hemorrhage%20in%20layers%2C%20even%20though%20mortality%20is%20rarely%20affected.&pg=PA45#v=onepage&q=With%20prolonged%20feeding%20there%20is%20often%20greater%20incidence%20of%20liver%20hemorrhage%20in%20layers,%20even%20though%20mortality%20is%20rarely%20affected.&f=false

Influence of long-term supplementation with α-linolenic acid on myocardial lipid peroxidation and antioxidative capacity in spontaneously hypertensive rats

<The ischaemic vulnerability of the heart of spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHR) is enhanced after feeding an α-linolenic acid (LNA) enriched diet.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0952327897905585

α-Linolenic acid supplementation and conversion to n-3 long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in humans

<Blood levels of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) are considered biomarkers of status. Alpha-linolenic acid, ALA, the plant omega-3, is the dietary precursor for the long-chain omega-3 PUFA eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), docosapentaenoic acid (DPA), and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Studies in normal healthy adults consuming western diets, which are rich in linoleic acid (LA), show that supplemental ALA raises EPA and DPA status in the blood and in breast milk.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0952327809000167

>>131941

Effects of dietary fat on androgen secretion and metabolism

<The metabolism and synthesis of androgens seem to be particularly affected by the Ω -3 ( α -linolenic, eicosapentanoic, docosahexaenoic fatty acids) and Ω-6 ( γ-linolenic, linoleic, arachidonic, docosapentaenoic fatty acids) families of PUFAs. The Ω-3 PUFAs reduce the number of androgen receptors (AR), decrease total T level in plasma [20, 22, 27] and inhibit 5 α -reductase activity [15, 21] in men and rats.

http://pan.olsztyn.pl/repbiol/docs/pdfs/repbiol_vol6_supp2_num_page13.pdf

Inhibition of steroid 5 alpha-reductase by specific aliphatic unsaturated fatty acids.

<Human or rat microsomal 5 alpha-reductase activity, as measured by enzymic conversion of testosterone into 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone or by binding of a competitive inhibitor, [3H]17 beta-NN-diethulcarbamoyl-4-methyl-4-aza-5 alpha-androstan-3-one ([3H]4-MA) to the reductase, is inhibited by low concentrations (less than 10 microM) of certain polyunsaturated fatty acids. The relative inhibitory potencies of unsaturated fatty acids are, in decreasing order: gamma-linolenic acid greater than cis-4,7,10,13,16,19-docosahexaenoic acid = cis-6,9,12,15-octatetraenoic acid = arachidonic acid = alpha-linolenic acid greater than linoleic acid greater than palmitoleic acid greater than oleic acid greater than myristoleic acid.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1637346

>>131942

Furthermore, the same omega-3's present in fish oil can be synthesized from plant omega-3s (alpha-linoleic acid) in the human body.

>>131755

>>131754

>>131756

You've destroyed him.

>>131943

>alpha-linoleic acid

linolenic

>>131936

The mayo I make uses avocados and avocado oil.

>>131943

ALA to EPA conversion is highly inefficient and EPA is always under constant demand.

Fish is good for you.

>>131971

Avocados---especially their oils—are hepatotoxic, stunt growth, and cause cancer.

Werman, MJ, M & Neeman, I. (1986). Oxidative stability of avocado oil. J Am Oil Chem Soc. 63. 355-360. 10.1007/BF02546046.

>This study is concerned with the extent of oxidative deterioration and oil stability as determined by measuring peroxide and conjugable oxidation products (COP) values and AOM time of refined bleached avocado oil in comparison with refined soybean and olive oil. The formation of peroxides in avocado oil exposed to daylight at room temperature is similar to that of soybean oil but greater than that of olive oil. […] Crude avocado oil is very sensitive to oxidation when exposed to daylight and fluorescent light, in contrast to its stability in the dark at room temperature. The chlorophyll content in crude avocado oil is reduced rapidly on exposure to daylight and fluorescent light.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226916622_Oxidative_stability_of_avocado_oil

Werman, MJ, et al. (1989). The effect of avocado oils on some liver characteristics in growing rats. Food Chem Toxicol. 27(5):279-82.

>The effects of various avocado oils on some liver characteristics were studied in growing rats. […] rats fed unrefined avocado oil obtained by solvent extraction from the intact fruit, or refined avocado oil containing avocado-seed oil, showed significant growth inhibition, an increase in the amount of hepatic lipids (identified as steatosis by histopathological examination), […] However, serum alkaline phosphatase activity was increased in rats fed the seed oil, the unrefined solvent-extracted oil from intact fruit, or the unsaponifiables, and aspartate aminotransferase activity was significantly increased in the group fed avocado-seed oil.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2744658

Here we find that elevated alkaline phosphatase is associated with a whole host of degenerative conditions involving obesity and cancer and affected tissues such as the liver, the skeleton, and kidneys:

Elevated alkaline phosphatase

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevated_alkaline_phosphatase

Werman, MJ, et al. (1991-2). The Effect of Various Avocado Oils on Skin Collagen Metabolism. Connective tissue research. 26. 1-10. 10.3109/03008209109152159.

>rats fed unrefined avocado oil showed a significant decrease in total collagen solubility in the liver, while there were no changes in total collagen, protein and moisture content. Chicks fed unrefined avocado oil as compared to those fed refined avocado oil also showed a decrease in hepatic total soluble collagen while hepatic total collagen remained unaffected. Electron micrographs and light-microscope examinations of rats' liver revealed collagen accumulation in the periportal location. This is suggestive of the early stages of fibrosis.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/21480124_The_Effect_of_Various_Avocado_Oils_on_Skin_Collagen_Metabolism

Werman, MJ & Neeman, I & Mokady, S. (1991-3). Avocado oils and hepatic lipid metabolism in growing rats. Food and chemical toxicology : an international journal published for the British Industrial Biological Research Association. 29. 93-9. 10.1016/0278-6915(91)90162-Z.

>The effect of various avocado oils on liver metabolism was studied in growing female rats. The rats were fed diets containing 10% (w/w) avocado oil for 4 wk. In comparison with rats fed refined avocado oil obtained from cored fruit by centrifugal separation, rats fed unrefined avocado oil obtained by organic solvent extraction from intact fruit, or its unsaponifiable components, showed a significant increase in total liver lipogenesis as well as in phospholipid and triglceride synthesis.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/21146157_Avocado_oils_and_hepatic_lipid_metabolism_in_growing_rats

>>131976

Naveh, et al. (2002). Defatted avocado pulp reduces body weight and total hepatic fat but increases plasma cholesterol in male rats fed diets with cholesterol. The Journal of nutrition. 132. 2015-8.

>The potential use of avocado as a fiber source was evaluated. […] Rats consumed semipurified diets containing either avocado pulp as the dietary fiber source or cellulose (control) with or without 10 g/kg cholesterol and 5 g/kg cholic acid. Food consumption and body weight gain were lower in rats fed avocado compared with those fed cellulose. Relative cecum weight was higher in avocado-fed rats. Plasma and hepatic cholesterol levels did not differ in rats fed diets without cholesterol, but plasma cholesterol was greater in avocado-fed than in cellulose-fed rats that consumed cholesterol.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11277760_Defatted_avocado_pulp_reduces_body_weight_and_total_hepatic_fat_but_increases_plasma_cholesterol_in_male_rats_fed_diets_with_cholesterol

Note that higher cecum weight probably indicates feeding of intestinal bacteria and endotoxin (from bacteria) is associated with increased cholesterol levels, because cholesterol elevates in the presence of toxins in general as a protective measure.

Feingold KR, et al. (1993) __Effect of endotoxin on cholesterol biosynthesis and distribution in serum

lipoproteins in Syrian hamsters.__ J Lipid Res. 34(12):2147-58.

>Infection and inflammation increase serum triglyceride and cholesterol levels in rodents and rabbits. Endotoxin (LPS) has been used as a model of infection and its effects on triglyceride metabolism have been previously characterized. In the present study we demonstrate that both low (100 ng/100 g body weight) and high dose (100 micrograms/100 g body weight) LPS increase serum cholesterol levels in hamsters.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8301233

Zusman I. (1998). __Comparative anticancer effects of vaccination and dietary factors on

experimentally-induced cancers.__ In Vivo. 12(6):675-89. Review.

>The antitumor effect of the olive-oil diet was connected to its content of monounsaturated fatty acids, such as oleic and palmitic acids. The promotive tumorigenic effects of other high-fat diets (avocado, soybeans) were associated with high content of some polyunsaturated fatty acids (linoleic and alpha-linolenic).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9891232

The avocado seeds are bad too, but I doubt many people eat those.

http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/IJBCRR_3/2016/Feb/Dambazau1042015IJBCRR23196.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/blog/post/human-genome-shaped-by-vegetarian-diet-increases-risk-of-cancer-and-heart-disease

>>131977

>Note that higher cecum weight probably indicates feeding of intestinal bacteria and endotoxin (from bacteria) is associated with increased cholesterol levels, because cholesterol elevates in the presence of toxins in general as a protective measure.

And the loss of appetite that reduced their body weights is a common reaction to endotoxemia. The animals will stop eating so fast what is making them ill, so the weight loss is from sickness, not because avocado pulp is a healthy strategy for losing fat.

>>131941

why the hell would you feed flax seeds to rats? rats aren't people.

>>131972

if you eat enough omega 3 you can be efficient enough.

>>131976

>>131977

>This study is concerned with the extent of oxidative deterioration and oil stability as determined by measuring peroxide and conjugable oxidation products (COP) values and AOM time of refined bleached avocado oil

>refined bleached avocado oil

>The formation of peroxides in avocado oil exposed to daylight at room temperature is similar to that of soybean oil

>avocado oil

>Crude avocado oil is very sensitive to oxidation when exposed to daylight and fluorescent light, in contrast to its stability in the dark at room temperature. The chlorophyll content in crude avocado oil is reduced rapidly on exposure to daylight and fluorescent light.

solution: stop eating bleached and proccessed avocado oil like a stupid moron and eat actual avocados.

>rats fed unrefined avocado oil obtained by solvent extraction from the intact fruit, or refined avocado oil containing avocado-seed oil

>rats

>avocado-seed oil

rats are not people. where the fuck in nature would rats ever get access to avocado oil anyway let alone the seeds of the avocado? in nature rats that eat poison, get poisoned. what a surprise!

these are bullshit studies and no animal or person should be eating the seed of the avocado or any extract of the avocado seeds. I have never seen anyone chop up some avocados and make me a salad and then chop up the seed and skinand add it in too. people who aren't completely insane like you actually peel the skin off and throw the seed away and eat only the creamy edible part of the avocado. you are a complete nincompoop and a fool that makes a very poor strawman as a result of your baseless and illogical hatred for people who eat plant based diets.

this is your argument and it's severely dumb.

>hey lets take some avocados and take the parts of them that humans don't EVER eat as well as the parts that people do eat and then take those edible parts and proccess those normally edible parts in ways that would make them non-edible or unsafe to eat or at the very least proccessed to a point that no human would ever come across in the store and then take all that poisonous inedible shit and feed it to animals that would probably never eat avocados let alone in those proccessed and poisonous inedible forms

>wow what a surprise the rats get sick or die

>exclaim "hue hue! this is equal to evidence avocados are evil and cancerous and that shows that humans should never eat the creamy edible part of the avocado that people normally eat because it's safe and nutritious.

school is such a poor institution and the education system doesn't even compare to the standards that it should be, but you anon are a grand fool of the highest calibur on such an immeasurably immense level of arrogance and ignorance that even you should go back to school.

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing anything.

>>131754

>makes five posts to my one

>thinks i'm the insecure one

>mfw

<posts smug anime girl pic

<implying I'm insecure for giving a good well written response.

<just because I wrote many words to get my point across means I'm "wrong"

>Yes that's because we breed those chickens on purpose anon!

>And we can do that because we're apex predators. I should have also mentioned that 40% of the earth's terrestrial surface is only suited for animal husbandry, and cannot be used for plant-based cultivation anyhow.

>Rangeland is virtually unutilized currently, and livestock could be used to replenish the soil and feed millions. Not to mention that the conditions that the livestock are living in would increase dramatically, as they'd be moved from factory farms to pastures.

<replenish the soil

<by ruining all the land

wow great so let's take what little land we have for plants, grow a bunch of plants, and then feed most of it to animals. very efficient.

<feed millions

<by throwing away tons of crops to feed small amounts of animals in comparison

>I eat enough fruit and veg to get my nutrient needs.

>Fruits are just sugar+vitamin C, and as I've outlined many times, you need to factor in both bio-availability, and nutrient loss from phytates and oxalates, which are not as trivial you think. After doing that it's clear that plant foods and animal foods aren't even in the same ballpark of nutrient density.

<claims to know about nutrition

<claims that fruit is "just sugar+vitamin C" while completely ignoring all other nutritional content

try getting your vitamin C from eggs or cows, no wait, that's a bad idea. don't do that.

>Pfff, you couldn't even bother to do a quick google search. Rickets forms from vitamin D deficiency you nigger.

<implying people can't supplement

where do you think the animals you eat get their vitamin D from?

>You're getting over 50,000 IU like many primitive tribes did? Doubt it. Also, vitamin A doesn't exist in any plant food. Flip a coin, if it lands heads you don't have the gene for it.

people would be dropping dead everywhere if this was true.

>As I pointed out, it takes around 2 years to use up all of your liver and fat stores of vitamin A if you have proper amounts. It's no coincidence that 85% of vegans stop after 2 years, while 50% stop after 3 months.

there are millions of vegans who stay vegan for years and years.

>Primitive tribes on an animal based diet used to. Today the SAD is 40% wheat, and a significant portion of the rest is HFCS. Of course they're not getting enough.

people eating the standard american diet are obviously doing something wrong. this doesn't prove that vegans are wrong.

>Looks like the point went totally over your head. I was pointing out that the precursor to vitamin D is cholesterol, an ANIMAL molecule.

and people are animals. people produce their own cholesterol. you don't need to eat animals to have cholesterol in your blood.

I swear you globalist antivegan shills are dumb as rocks.

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing anything.

avocados:

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=P5YZlluVXn0

>>131755

>We have the same efficiency to synthesize 20/22-chain fatty acids as obligate carnivores. What does that tell you?

do you even have any idea how much flax vegans eat?

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=h4LvCZ0KnKc

>If you factor out infant mortality, Cro-magnon man lived to be around 80, had a greater cranial capacity, and was 6 foot. Hell, 2500 years ago, the minimum age requirement for the Spartan senate was 60. As for the health issues, the only people getting atherosclerosis in antiquity were the wheat and vegetable oil eating Egyptians.

if that's true then they were doing something wrong. doubt they had access to the same food options we have now.

>It's not a matter of being able to 100% break down your food, the part in our gut that was made to ferment plant matter and break down cellulose is tiny

humans are not cows and we don't digest food the same way, but here vegans are- alive and living right along side the meat eaters (and with less health problems)

>Fast food is plant-based. A burger is made out of a bun, vegetables, condiments, and a patty. The former three are all plant-based, and hamburger filler, which is derived from grains, makes up anywhere between 40 and 85 percent of the patty. The actual meat component is lean ground beef with the fat content removed.

oh buddy these mental gymnastics are amazing.

<implying that the plant parts of a burger are the most unhealthy

<implying the most unhealthy parts aren't the meat and cheese

<implying the parts of the fast food that are plant based are even resembling a standard of any sort of quality

the bread in fast food isn't even real, and the plant based ingredients are all gmo and full of pesiticide. what do you expect?

>Plus the countries with the highest saturated fat content (mostly from dairy) actually have the lowest risk of CHD and CVD; principally France.

but these countries still have many other health problems and are not by any means the healthiest or longest lived countries. I wonder which countries are the best in those terms and what their diets are?

<except that cows need to get pregnant or get dosed with drugs or be genetically modified to give milk

>everybody buys industrial milk

>I get my raw milk from local Jersey cows without hormones or antibiotics and who aren't milked while pregnant.

sure sure, they only milk them right after they are pregnant right? totally doesn't count then! nice (((word smithing))), are you a lawyer? still a huge dose of estrogen.

>words can't express how retarded you are

>I already posted a chart showing how 500g of soy has almost 6,000 times the estrogenic activity that a man produces in one day. Cow's milk - 32ng/500g of estrogen, soy - 755,000,000ng/500g estrogen. Not even comparable.

just because milk supposedly has less estrogen than soy doesn't mean that the milk still doesn't have a huge amount of estrogen in it.

but really, why do you even drink milk at all? why do you eat meat? you preach that people shouldn't be eating soy because it contains large amounts of estrogen but meat eaters still eat meat, milk, cheese, turkey, chicken, fish, eggs, and more all day and every day, sometimes eating combinations of all those things throughout the day. that's a hell of a lot of estrogen.

(by the way, even animal products that haven't had any hormones added still contain hormones produced by the animals)

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=h6q8E2-Egdo

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing anything.

>>132022

>no animal or person should be eating the seed of the avocado or any extract of the avocado seeds.

I left that in as an interesting aside, not as the main point of discussion. I realize nobody eats the seeds, but the study mentioned both avocado oils and seed oils. It shouldn't hurt to paste it in here just as food for thought unless someone wants to hyperfocus on it as if it even affected the main point.

As far as the avocado fruit oil goes (not the seed oil) you would be mistaken if you think it makes a big difference whether you eat the whole fruit or a refined oil. The oil is consumed either way.

>>131756

>nigger, you're the one who called me a shill

you must be a shill, or really not that smart. your main problem with this whole thing is "vegans are gay because peer pressure and disinformation campaigns from other people saying vegans are gay so it doesn't matter that eating that way is better, I'm just going to permanently kneejerk against it forever because I'm scared of change)

you have to understand that we are being manipulated by (((them))). it is in ((their)) best interests to keep us all fat and sick for our entire lives so that they can profit off of us like human cattle. (((they))) hate a healthy and /fit/ population. you also don't have to eat soy to be vegan.

>Veganism was literally created in antiquity to aid ascetics in refusing sexual temptations. More recently it was advocated by Sylvester Graham and John Kellogg in the 19th century for the same purpose.

<implying we can say without a doubt that eating plants and nothing else (as a diet) never happened before in recorded or unrecorded history and was only invented so recently.

>All adrogens are made from cholesterol which doesn't exist in the vegan diet. It's no coincidence that female vegans lose their period.

humans are animals and produce their own cholesterol. needing to eat the cholesterol of another animal is stupid and pointless when you can make your own.

>posts (((Greger))) from (((nutritionfacts)))

<dislikes whatever source or videos posted just because it goes against their (((shill argument)))

>he's a /pol/ack but doesn't understand how veganism is promoted by kikes and can only exist through (((globalism)))

<implies that a healthy diet made possible by ingredient availability is bad just because products are shipped around the world and thus assumes that (((globalists))) are automatically the cause of veganism

if anything the (((globalists))) dearly fear for the day that everyone becomes vegan and does it correctly by taking all vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients into account and stop eating garbage from (((big dairy))) and (((big agro))) and (((fast food)))

>Holy fuck you're retarded. IGF-1 is growth hormone, it grows ALL cells. That's like saying all food has been shown to promote cancer growth because all food feeds the tumor.

the point being here, why would you eat animals and their byproducts and get exposed to extra and higher than normal amounts of growth hormone than is produced by the human body and expect everything to function perfectly normal without any problems ever?

>xenoestrogens include phytoestrogens

just because I get some phytoestrogen from some bean doesn't mean that I'm okay with drinking from plastic bottles made from BPA or BPS.

>Fish also have large amounts of selenium which binds to mercury making it fat insoluble. The molecule simply passes through the stool.

(((good consumer eat your fish it's totally safe))), Nope. no thanks. I can get protein and omega3 from plant foods without the mercury risk. and why would you completely disregard all the other horrible things in fish? even if mercury was not an issue, fish would still be a terrible choice for good health.

as shown here:

>>131697

>The biggest irony is that you're a /pol/ack and support an unnatural diet that didn't exist during traditional times and can only be sustained through modern, destructive agriculture and economic globalism.

That's pretty stupid considering that you're taking something better and throwing it out the window just because it's new. older/new doesn't always = better/worse and that can be interchangeable as well. your ignorance is endless if you think that vegans who love small corporations that grow non-gmo organic food are destructive under your ideas but that monsanto/conagra/dupont/syngenta/big dairy/big meat/big poultry/ etc. aren't "destructive agriculture"

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=7NW32vLq340

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=LibAMjVGK4g

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=mryzkO5QWWY

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=kNT0EyDEyZU

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=L_vqIGTKuQE

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=jhBWDzkqEPY

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=pixGkSFBty0

>Nature is the highest god. If you have to take a pill to support your existence it's proof you're eating an unnatural diet.

then why are so many meat eaters deficient in b12 just like vegans?

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing anything.

>>132026

nice backpedaling and damage controll, shill.

>I-I-I-I-I-I J-ust put it in there f-for n-no reason I promise, I wasn't trying to disinform people or anything b-baka!

>As far as the avocado fruit oil goes (not the seed oil) you would be mistaken if you think it makes a big difference whether you eat the whole fruit or a refined oil. The oil is consumed either way.

there is a huge difference between eating processed plant oils and their unrefined counterparts.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=A4WD8Bm7s_I

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=glmZA0x3Ltc

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=6uB6wg5WO-0

>>132028

>nice backpedaling and damage controll

You're welcome to call it that, but all I've done is quote research and give my opinionated interpretation of it. If you want to freak out like an autist at the mere mention of something you aren't interested in, you can do that as well, but it shows me you don't want to talk to anybody, just promote your own message (ironically like a shill). An emotionally balanced person might be happy to have someone contribute to their lonely thread on 8/fit/.

I don't care what you or anyone else in this thread eats. I deliberately posted things contradictory to your worldview, because I was curious what the response would be. Yes, that's just overt contrarianism, but it's possible because I genuinely hold these views. It would be fun if someone else actually looked for research to contradict me in return, but instead I'm greeted with small-minded attitudes, not enthusiastic debate.

What else were you looking for in this thread anyways? Someone to tell you how smart you are for eating the way you do?

>>132036

push them on other people*

>>132036

>Pretty gay. Many proteins just aren't available in plants, and it's not good for building up bulk.

Oh really? then why does hemp protein powder contain all the essential and non-essential amino acids required for human life?

>dating a vegan girl and going vegan yourself

>Bad idea, if you ever have children, they'll have malnutrition if you give them a vegan diet as well. Don't do this shit to your kids, Same goes for pets.

<implying you can't breastfeed your kids just because you're all vegan

<implying that you need to repeat the mistakes of other parents who fed their kids the wrong food and ended up in the hospital for avoidable reasons

<implying implications

>Judging from this thread, it also turns you into a salty aspie.

you know exactly why this is. people want to share information because people on 8chan love freedom of speech and want to spread good information around because it's the right thing to do. aside from shills and trolls we all have the inherent need to seek out good information and help others. when shills and trolls show up and try to feed the uninformed masses intentionally misleading and incorrect information, it's fucking annoying. no shit sherlock.

>eating the same diet as a chinese peasant

>while trying to maintain a healthy lifestyle

>Nigger, what the honest to god fuck are you doing.

not really sure what chinese peasants eat, but it doesn't sound good.

>>132029

>(((shills))) want you to think eating healthy is bad and want to associate any style of fitness or good health with the negative or any concept they percieve that others may look down upon

>Faggot, in case you can't read the fucking board title, this is /fit/, where anons try to become better, stronger, and healthier. We're not calling you a faggot because you try to make healthy choices, we're calling you a faggot because the retarded choices you make do more harm than good, and you try to push them as well.

And… shill detected. you're terrible at your job and you are mad as hell because you can't stop the truth from coming out. everyone is going to learn how to eat healthier and there is not a damn thing in the world you can do to stop it. you can lie and you can decieve but the truth will always come out in the end.

>these diseases require doctors to prescribe billions of dollars of (((pharmaceutical prescription drugs))) every year

<implying that eating a healthy amount of meat=any of those diseases.

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=LibAMjVGK4g (probably one of the best ones to watch)

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=SS5S4XUWD8s

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=hy5BPWnaFik

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=D42GJsV-2I4

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=VzK5gjEsUn4

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=HVAjECDjG1g

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=WlNjIkxCJqM

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=A_ISuqbrCrc

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=V0KEZsxuUw4

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=joQ7Oqxde4U

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=xh8fzqucizQ

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=F7wQdOhU7ac

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=iB3KfUPcieE

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=RHfa4R3JChM

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=ysCuZT2t7XM

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=NtDBjPuDclY

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=y96iiU31ySs

you were saying?

>Substantiate your claims

I would do that some more but you don't seem to like that very much when I do it.

>Plant based diets are fine

they are better than fine, they are excellent but only if you do them correctly.

>Emphasis on based, you need some meat in your diet.

you mean that I need some protein in my diet. I got that covered. In fact I get way too much protein sometimes. as a vegan I have to be very careful to not get too much!

beans, nuts, seeds, legumes, lentils, peas, and much much more.

>we, we, we, etc.

>You sound like a brainwashed cultist soyboy.

I'll sound like anything you hate as long as you continue to worship delusion.

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing or stopping anything.

>>132038

>I KNEW YOU WERE BEING A CUNT FOR NO DAMN REASON!

>I'm making the effort to post what I do for free because I'm right and damn it I know I'm right

Wow, does your diet make you this sensitive, egocentric, and dogmatic? I don't play the contrarian to troll your emotions but to look for a person that responds a certain kind of way.

>>131976

Practically everything is hepatotoxic if you over do it, so that's a non-argument.

Virtually everything is processed through the liver, so it comes down to how much you over-use your liver (which is actually somewhat hard to do if you don't use pharmaceuticals, alcohol or American amounts of fructose).

I'll continue to look into it, but hepatotoxic doesn't mean anything. Anything that's a seed or legume is hepatotoxic.

Yet, we see people it them all the time and not have liver failure.

>>132043

>Anything that's a seed or legume is hepatotoxic.

What if plants generally invest more chemical defenses into their seeds?

>>132044

That's why I started soaking them in lemon juice + water mixture @ ~5.5ph for 12-24 hours before consuming them.

This cuts the amount of phytates down by 50%.

>>132045

What if there's more to it than phytates?

>>132045

The Bean Syndrome

>The effects of bean toxin, and other plant toxins (e.g., pokeberry) overlap in several ways with viral infection and autoimmune disease. PHA causes, for example, the appearance of large mononuclear cells in the blood, the suppression of DNA synthesis in thymic cells, a slight leucopenia, and hepatic necrosis. Extracts of lentils, broad beans, and fenugreek (used in curry) are as active as PHA, and extracts of common peas, chick peas, lupinus, and soy beans also have some activity. The effects of a single exposure (such as eating a pokeberry) can remain microscopically visible for two weeks. (1)

…

>Beans and lentils happen to be powerful anti-thyroid agents, so it isn't surprising to see indications of decreased aerobic capacity, resulting from decreased peak oxygen consumption (5) in association with the chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), if that syndrome is caused by chronic exposure to dietary legumes.

…

>The Epstein-Barr virus, which is believed(*) to cause Burkitt's lymphoma and infectious mononucleosis, has often been proposed as a cause of the chronic fatigue syndrome. R.J.V. Pulvertaft (8) found "a close similarity between Burkitt cells and human lymphocytes stimulated by bean extract." He concluded that "…the possibility of a relation between Burkitt's lymphoma and a diet of beans should not be neglected," though he emphasized that other factors must be considered, since most people who eat beans don't develop the disease. The intestinal parasites which are common in tropical Africa can cause inflammation of the bowel, leading to the absorption of large amounts of antigens.

https://www.toxinless.com/ray-peat-the-bean-syndrome.pdf

>>132046

No one seems to have died from eating them, so I'm not worried.

For example, one of the most dangerous naturally found toxins is hydrogen cyanide.

But you would need to eat hundreds of thousands of seeds to die from cyanide poisoning.

What little you get is quickly dealt with in the liver.

The reason phytates are a concern is they don't get filtered by the liver and can cause zinc, manganese and/or calcium deficiency over the course of months or years of over-exposure.

https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/emergency/chemical_terrorism/cyanide_general.htm

"After exposure, cyanide quickly enters the bloodstream. The body handles small amounts of cyanide differently than large amounts. In small doses, cyanide in the body can be changed into thiocyanate, which is less harmful and is excreted in urine. In the body, cyanide in small amounts can also combine with another chemical to form vitamin B12, which helps maintain healthy nerve and red blood cells. In large doses, the body’s ability to change cyanide into thiocyanate is overwhelmed. Large doses of cyanide prevent cells from using oxygen and eventually these cells die. The heart, respiratory system and central nervous system are most susceptible to cyanide poisoning."

>>132048

>No one seems to have died from eating them, so I'm not worried.

You say that yet most dietary planning is done with more in mind than what overtly poisons but what the long term effects of different foods are.

>>132050

So I eat a diverse diet. Never rely on any single food. People underestimate how robust the body is.

People pump themselves with straight up toxic sludge (sugar, transfats, aluminum, etc.) for decades before the 'real symptoms' (dementia, heart attacks, liver failure, diabetes, etc.) shows up.

That's a damn robust system!

My main concern is that I want to be as sharp as I am now, as when I die.

So neurotoxins are what I focus on reducing.

If the liver can take the hit, that's great! That's what it's for.

If my brain takes the hit, I'm not okay with that, though.

>>132051

>toxic sludge (sugar,

How is sugar toxic sludge?

>>132053

Fructose causes fatty liver disease, among a myriad of other ailments.

It's also implicated in increased brain decay rates (we're percents or fractions of a percent per decade, but still), as well as a catalyst and fuel for many types of cancer.

we're talking percents or fractions of a percent per decade*

>>132054

>Fructose causes fatty liver disease,

In what context? Is the liver storing and ignoring dietary fat when it has carbs to burn for fuel?

>>132056

Fructose is converted by the liver into fat using a liver-intense chemical process.

It is the primary reason for the obesity epidemic.

All the places where people live 80+ and have good skin until they die (skin is the biggest organ in the body and is a good indicator for health)--

All those places eat a lot of savory food and not a lot of fructose.

>>132057

>When sugars were compared with other macronutrients, an isocaloric high-fat diet increased liver fat and insulin concentrations more than did an isocaloric high-carbohydrate diet (31). Furthermore, in healthy individuals, overfeeding with fructose increased liver fat less than did overfeeding with fat (32). Overall, it seems that adverse changes related to fructose intake have been more due to excess caloric intake rather than sugar composition (33). This finding has been consistent in clinical trials conducted thus far (34). Our results, which adjusted fructose intake for the intake of energy, also suggest that, in an energy-controlled situation, fructose does not associate with an increased prevalence of NAFLD.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/100/4/1133.long

>>132058

>The results indicate that dietary fructose enhances mineral balance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2729168

>>132058

Cool. I'm still avoiding the stuff.

Anything I can eat a quart of (icecream) and still be hungry for more of--

Is not good for you.

>The results suggested that glucose rather than fructose exerted more deleterious effects on mineral balance and bone.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18328797

>>132061

>So, in contrast to the well-known negative effects of frequent consumption of fructose under physiological conditions, acute infusion or ingestion of fructose or fructose 1,6-bis(phosphate) could be of benefit in the cytoprotective therapy of neurodegenerative disorders related to oxidative stress.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591975

>>132062

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11679451

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/3/753S

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7002511

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15723754

>This study suggests that a high-fructose diet can protect against endotoxicity in part through induction of endogenous TG-rich lipoproteins and hepatic endothelial cell NO production. This is the first report of diet-induced hyperlipoproteinemia and subsequent protection against endotoxemia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10090849

>>132041

I'm just pissed because I'm trying to spread good information and you sir, are wasting my time.

>>132047

>beans are somehow at fault for a virus that did a thing

literally shit spewing nonsense.

>>132053

vegan anon here, I only get my sugar from fruit.

brown/white/corn syrup sugar is all very bad. it's more addictive than crack and fucks with your whole entire body.

>>132056

the body handles different sugars in different ways anon.

>>132054

>fuel for many types of cancer

That would be certain dietary fats and lactate from fermentation because of an inability to properly metabolize sugars. Thiamine (vitamin B1) and niacinamide (vitamin B3) frequently provide a reliable escape from creating excess lactate. Sugar is the basic fuel of aerobic respiration. One could imagine it being harmful to eat a bucket of pure white sucrose, but it's not a realistic situation to warn against. In reality people add sugar to foods that come with their own vitamins and minerals.

>>132068

>adding sugar to food on purpose

lowest scum

>>132064

Don't be discouraged.

We need more sources cited in the world, even if people completely miss the entire picture, cherry-pick data, misinterpret data or treat incomplete data as a comprehensive picture of what's going on.

It's still better than no data at all.

I'm more of a big picture kind of guy, but I hate how often nutrition science just degrades into fear-mongering and assumptions.

Data is good. The more studies we do, the more complete a picture we'll have, even if big agri/pharma doesn't want us to have it and fudges as much of the data as they can, as well as fudging the staffing on the FDA, USDA and EPA.

>>132068

Fructose is literally only needed to propel sperm.

It has no other beneficial use in the body.

I think you're confusing glucose with fructose.

Glucose is blood-sugar, the stuff you need to run your brain.

I do 'Keto-lite' because I don't trust full Ketosis. Basically, I cut back on starch, but I don't get rid of it, entirely.

I'm literally using a baguette as a palm rest as I type this, because I just got finished with my mid-day snack and haven't put it away, yet.

>>132086

And now I'm going to bicycle to run some errands, so I didn't just eat that bread to get fat, but to fuel me as I move through the city. Later.

>>132086

>It has no other beneficial use in the body.

I guess you'll conveniently ignore all the fructose research just posted so you can continue to participate in the anti-fructose cult.

>>132079

There's nothing wrong with it. My health improved when I started adding pure, refined sucrose and honey to foods.

Bump for absolute devastation of mental illness.

>>132086

vegan anon here.

>baguette

switch away from all wheat, rice, corn, potatoes, white beans, simple carbs.

instead use complex carbs with good soluble and insoluble fiber like:

>black beans

>dark red kidney beans

>oats

>lentils

>peas

I am Not a doctor or a nutritionist. ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing or stopping anything.

>>132109

rather eat a piece of fruit that has some naturally occurring sugars that may possibly contain some natural fructose among other sugars than intentionally go out of my way to eat chemically processed refined fructose in fake junk food.

>>132370

weak b8 m8. eating fruits and vegetables is fucking good for you and it's been proven infinite times. get with the future or fuck off.

>>132113

why eat refined sugar and other concentrated forms of sugar? gosh just eat some fruit instead. how hard is it? ask your doctor before you change anything.

>shills shill

>truthers truth

>shills btfo again

>abandon thread!

>let it sink!

SHUT IT DOWN

>>132578

Wait a minute. I can't tell which side you're endorsing, so my ego gets nothing from this. y u do dis

>>132582

making fun of the shills.

>>131446 (OP)

make any good improvements?

>>132376

Why don't you just eat meat with your vegetables?

>make a thread pretending to ask an honest question

>answer to yourself steering the subject to your holy crusade of choice

>unload walls of text and copy-pasta

Shilling tactics 101

>>132771

It's embarrassing to witness. I wish I had a cult for him to peddle door-to-door. We could make some money off people like him if only vegans identified themselves in real life…

Oh wait

>>132771

mods can check the IP.

>muh vegans replied to a thread about veganism and I'm mad!

>I deliberately entered a thread I don't like and now I'm angry! how could this happen to me?.jpg

>>132771

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>>132893

Whoops meant for:

>>132891

>friendzoned

>vegan

>cucked

Yeah that sounds about right.

>>132904

did you know the joseph stalin drank water and would often actually breath AIR? that means that if you do those things you are also automatically joseph stalin too. for shame.

Vegetarians are ~2% and vegans ~0.5% of the population. Twice as likely as omnivores to be politically liberal. The vast majority of them eventually return to eating meat. Almost one-third of them reported specific health-related symptoms and only about one-third of former vegetarians/vegans stated interest in returning to vegetarianism/veganism.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

High-fiber diets may reduce the half-life of vitamin D3 in blood plasma.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6299329

A study of German vegans shows that their diet is deficient in vitamin B12, which may negatively impact their cardiovascular health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

Health aspects of vegetarianism should be considered in the light of possible damaging effects arising from vitamin B-12 deficiency and hyperhomocysteinemia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816782

Blood plasma levels of omega-3 fatty acids are lower in vegetarians than they are in omnivores.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975

Vegetarians are more prone to having iodine deficiency.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410

Vegetarian diets reduce testosterone in men. This study used a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet, and not the more strict vegan diet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181

Supplementation of creatine improves cognitive functions of vegetarians, but does not do so in omnivores, suggesting that the lack of creatine in a vegetarian diet may cause a suppresed cognitive function.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604

Vegetarian diets are especially dangerous to children and to nursing or expectant mothers. Some case studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

>>135259

>Vegetarian diets reduce testosterone in men

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