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e7d17c  No.129750

Thread for discussing bad advice,fakes and hoaxes such as surgery,oil,implants,roiding in the BB scene.

critique of lying youtubers and fitness men.

Ill start by dumping stuff related to roiding and implants.

e7d17c  No.129752

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this is what natty BB's look like.

it's not ugly,its quite asthetic, I don't know why they deside to over exaggerate the mass.


e7d17c  No.129753


e12886  No.130009

Why do bodybuilders have small cock and balls? Is it because of the roid abuse?


a1d145  No.130060

>>130009

Why are you looking at their genitals?


e7d17c  No.130066

>>130009

Yes, roids shirnk the balls.


0d078c  No.130687

>>130009

You ever hear about how a hot girl will hang out with an ugly girl and the ugly girl looks better when around the hot girl and the ugly girl makes the hot girl look even hotter? But if you and I stood next to each other with our dicks out, your dick would look small compared to mine.

Measurements aren't subjective, Anon.


23dadb  No.130702

>tfw you bought becoming a supple leopard because people recommended it

>can't shake the feeling of snake oil (book has no studies or citations)

>the author also runs a Crossfit gym

I'm pretty sure you can list this book as bullshit.

Why is so much fitness info bullshit? It's so bad people still argue if high fat is good or bad.


63d789  No.130740

anything that's fake is not worth it because forget lying to others, you're lying to yourself.


b32e96  No.130851

Roids are awesome. Do a cycle of TRT dose test and as much anavar as you can afford. You'll gain size and have zero sides.

Plus you faggots would actually get to feel what it's like to have a decent amount of test flowing through your veins. Does wonders for your confidence.

Implants and synthol are for losers.


c93bef  No.130862

>>130851

Winners are the new losers though


b74bda  No.130866

>>130851

>he outright admits his body cant produce test naturally

hehe,cheeky cunt


afd6fa  No.131369

>>130009

testicles shrink from prolonged steroid use, because the steroids in your blood trick your hormone system into thinking plenty of testosterone is being produced, so it just shuts down your balls and they atrophy.

Can be permanent, especially if done over a long period of time.

Bodybuilders work around this by taking steroids for a month or two, then stopping and switching to another drug which restarts their testicle production, and do that for a month.

That's 'cycling'.

In reality, it isn't foolproof and if you are unlucky you can end up with atrophied balls for life and sterile.


afd6fa  No.131370

>>131369

I'll add that hair loss drugs carry the same risk as steroids, if not worse.

Finastride and others mess around with your hormone system and can result in permanent testicular atrophy, prostate changes, pituitary changes and so on.

They can leave you pretty much as a eunuch.

I think more men should be warned about this stuff so they think which is more important, a bit of hair on their head or their actual virility and sexual functions.


e81997  No.134233

>>131370

The DHT blockers like Finastride do. A lot of your lotions and shampoos have them since DHT is bad for the skin. The hair loss drug they supplement, Minoxidil, is a vasodilator which it doesn't affect your hormones but can increase your heart rate temporarily.


f44e25  No.134325

>>134233

minoxidil can also puff up your face and make you look older than you are. it will subside after a couple weeks once you discontinue


dc20db  No.139216

>>129752

Is that the best one can do without exogenous hormones? That is highly disappointing.


000000  No.139220

>>139216

No, they all look like they're fresh out of high school. You realize steroids just add hormones right? Just raise your test and gh(s). Work out more. 5x5 is a meme, because it shouldn't be the only work you do. You can do 12 sets a body part, or reduce sets in other areas to add them to an area you want to focus on. 12 sets is for 85 -90%+ load, you can still do BW afterwards.

I don't even do dedicated training or lift weights (bit of DB work but I don't use DBs every week or even month), and look like I'm 2 months from being one of those body builders or already could be (black guy or blue speedo in 1 month for sure) because they aren't at all impressive. Low mass. They're low bf with above average muscle for their age, but they aren't major competitors. me: >>125880

I did sports when young, worked out at home with bw stuff around the same time. High cortisol/adrenal; lot of pituitary gland activity in general. I do a lot of flexing (isometrics) and neuroendocrine "contemplation". Not a lot of actual exercise. Just making a normal everyday movement more intense is enough, really. You squatting down to get something at the bottom of the fridge? SQUAT. Tense your shit, hold yourself in a tough position and make micro adjustments in form and what muscles you tense when coordination movements.

Why the fuck do people need every reason and motivation possible to use their fucking body. Jesus F. Christ


7e6173  No.139224

Surgery? For the 5k that probably cost, you can buy a whole lot of roids and a PT.


731556  No.139227

>>129752

>I don't know why they deside to over exaggerate the mass.

It's an arms race. When you judge by size the first guy to do some steroids will get an edge and over time the technique of juicing gets better. It's just like how birds of paradise get fucking ridiculous colors and shapes. Competition left to run without being checked will give you some crazy distortion.


dc20db  No.139246

>>139220

>You realize steroids just add hormones right?

Yes, of course.

>Just raise your test and gh(s).

Testosterone, endogenous or exogenous is a shitty steroid. It makes you masculinize more than gain muscle. If I were to use exogenous anabolic steroids I would choose nandrolone, oxandrolone or stanozolol because they are more selective for muscle over masculinization. SARMs look promising, but there is currently little information in the academic literature. Also, I’m a MTF tranny so I aim for a feminine face and such. I plan to start MTF HRT soon and 2 years thereafter add a SARM to develop muscle avoiding masculinization.

>Just making a normal everyday movement more intense is enough, really.

I saw your photo in the post you linked. You have considerable musculature. Are you telling me that it is from just “making everyday movements more intense” without a dedicated work-out? Because if that is your claim, I am skeptical.

>Why the fuck do people need every reason and motivation possible to use their fucking body.

I do weight training with dumbbells. But most people are lazy and indolent.


6a93e3  No.139253

>>139246

>I saw your photo in the post you linked. You have considerable musculature. Are you telling me that it is from just “making everyday movements more intense” without a dedicated work-out? Because if that is your claim, I am skeptical.

Natural testosterone levels are on a bell curve. For someone who has higher levels, this is absolutely doable. When I was natty, no fucking way, I lifted for years and didn't look that good. Now, on TRT, I'll be there pretty soon.


af05d1  No.139257

>>139246

>MTF

fucking hell can you just fuck off?


000000  No.139295

>>139246

BEGONE

For everyone else in the thread: Making normal shit more intense, mental aggression (hormone inducing), and flexing/isometrics is my shit, nothing else pretty much. I'll do some push ups here and there, or curl a heavy db or something every once in a while… so yeah pretty much nothing else. I combine the mental aggression with the isometrics usually, without imagining a scenario, but that works pretty well too. A lot of mental simulation of combat, dying, killing, fighting, etc. If I make a mistake (all the time) in a mental 'simulation' or "fail the scenario" I'll then go on to imagine what the wound would really feel like, as visceral as possible, and try to get the emotional response as well (vulnerable, scared, shaken, shocked, etc. ) and respond either slowly or quickly (like a muscle) in raising the mental aggression and ultra-violence until I feel like my body has responded 'well enough' to the stimulus. Slow response is better if you need to think and communicate in a scenario, fast if it's all action. I've slowed down lately (past few years) to make sure I'm not fucking up my endocrine system by pumping select hormones through my body out of habit. For a while I would get that spurt of vulnerability or whatever but was mentally conditioning to just run right through the sword and keep killing… doing that 24/7 even. Even in my fucking dreams. I stopped having dreams. I stopped losing my sense of time and self when going to sleep. I was just miserable but I liked the weight of it, the way I was developing power. It was fucking horrible. Baki level changes in my self (which was my aim to be honest). Didn't want to fuck up my endocrine system FOR GOOD, or just rewire my neural pathways so much so that I had no idea how to rewire them back to something more normal and "well-adjusted"; I just want to know and be able to revert to a social adjusted wiring. Had to stop thinking in terms of "reverting" and think more "PHOENIX". I could feel the intense stress on my nervous system, and had a lot of neural and psychological symptoms, and am recovering from it all right now (stopped a few weeks ago). I guess I should be meditating, which has become very difficult ( I used to be able to meditate easily ). I'm high cortisol and adrenaline, but what's important is that the cortisol and adrenaline is LOWER than the other shit like growth hormones and testosterone. Maybe not absolutely but in their effect.

I've done this type of training for years, since high school. Just imagining the violence wasn't enough, and not imagining the violence wasn't an option, so I've isometrics for a long time now. I want to be prepared.

Shitty weight training in high school, got my bench to 205 lbs though (bench is the only thing we put effort into mostly). Was 150 lbs out of high school. Now 160 - 165 lbs. Did a couple months of weight training a couple years ago. I don't do body weight or weight training. I will do maybe one set of an exercise or three every few days. Nothing much. All in the mental stuff and isometrics. Bit of Charles Atlas dynamic body resistance in there too.

And I don't fucking roid. I'm a NEET that doesn't even leave the house. If you're out and about a lot, one way to keep your gains and raise them is not to feel like you have to be non-threatening. Don't be non-threatening or non-aggressive. Be intimidating and even animalistic, but not out of control or dumb af. Just masculinize. "Just masculine" isn't enough test etc. if your cortisol etc. is very high however. There's beyond "just masculine". Read that Baki Grappler manga. It's top tier.

If you feel like you have to relax to make others feel safe, you're losing gains. Every time you feel that way you lost a gain. -1 gain. Congratulations. Be competitive and a challenger. Ego gains.

Neuroendocrinmancy.


000000  No.139296

>>139295 (me still)

It's important that your muscles are flexible, and your organs strong and healthy. Can you guys make a pregnant belly look without arching your back? Can you do similar with your thoractic region? Does breathing as deeply and expanding as much as possible painful or tight in any way? You have to be able to force past that pain and get the results in stretching and tensing immediately/quicker than usual (which could be weeks vs months). There are qi gong masters who can balloon any part of their body like a… like a fucking balloon ffs. Internal pressure is incredibly important and if you can't handle the internal pressure you generate then you're shit, go home and kys. Like a fucking tire being squeezed to death by an anaconda, the anaconda has to die first… from exhaustion. Your neck and head and limbs are all included in this shit, not just your torso. Even your bones.

Step 1: Like a tire.


000000  No.139297

Step 2: Force and Metal.

Like a hammer, you have to force metal (material reality) to bend and be shaped. Like Hephaestus, the smith of the gods, you must force INTO the metal the soul. Inverse to transcendence. When my stomach is uneasy eating something, I force it to digest and to stop being queezy. Muscles aren't the only thing you can force by. You can force glands to produce a hormone, or to stop producing a hormone. You have to force changes in your personality, thinking, mind, etc. Basically, man the fuck up and stop being a pussy. "ow my elbow!" My elbow hurts when I stop manning the fuck up. Then I man the fuck up and lo' and behold, it doesn't hurt at all anymore. Over time it doesn't even hurt when I'm relaxing or not doing anything. Same with my wrist and anything else. Drive the pain out with your hammer, like weakness out of metal. And stop relying on analogies or whatever is popular nowadays you dumb fucks. The enemy now is the smith AND the metal, like the anaconda before. I guess the tire is also the enemy, and you have to be the anaconda that squeezes a piece of shit tire to death until its bones break.

Metal that breaks or changes shape at a moments notice is the worst. You have to be greater than any fire and any smith, until a hammer blow ricochets back at the striker and caves his head in. This is force without even moving… When my hands were shaking, I could (can) move the tremor through my torso and sway side to side a bit instead, and am working on moving the tremors to my legs and to my feet. One isn't always on their feet however. Moving the tremors to the neck/head is difficult and mentally destabilizing, but that's part of the process. The danger of it is what's destabilizing, really.

All these skills don't matter 1 fucking bit if you aren't increasing the power/force however. You still have to be the smith and work with tougher metal, and create a masterpiece.

And finally you have to use the piece of metal. Fight, work, etc.

Back to Step 1: Like a tire.

The material sense. Knowing and insight into the properties of matter, substance. You can't increase the pressure if the tire will just fucking burst. If you have no internal pressure, then there's no point in having a bigger tire. If you can't generate the pressure to force air into the tire, it means jack shit. As your internal pressure increases, your ability to force more air into the same tire decreases. This means… you need MORE FORCE. It's about thresholds. Raise the fucking threshold. Don't be a fucking bike tire and winded grandma. Being a big guy with shit endurance, strength, aggression, speed, force, etc. is ridiculous.

Everything boils down to being fighting fit. Fighting fit includes being fit enough to do the work to prepare for fighting… which means, making money to buy guns, or marching 200 mi to where the battle will be, or bullet/gun smithing, or having enough endurance and strength to both work, work out, develop skills you'll need in a war, physically produce goods by farming, smithing, engineering, etc….


00e6ec  No.139323

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>>139297

>>139295

>>139296

This is what I like to see. A man with some fire in him, some piss and vinegar spraying straight out at the world in every direction.


000000  No.139346

STEP THREE: TEMPERATURE;

<BURN

Can't do shit if it's cold as fuck. Actually there's a time in one's life to be cold as fuck, and you'll learn something about willpower and control, but it's such shit that I would never recommend it to some random /fit/ness fucks. In terms of high elf woowoo, the WATER ELEMENT is gay as fuck but you'll get that breakthrough moment like you do with anything where you are an ascetic fucking journeyman of warrior and yogi proportions. If there is anything ever that you seriously want to accomplish, I'd recommend it as a step 3.8.

I'm one step ahead here; STEP 3: RETURN OF THE KING

You have to burn if you want to be great. The alchemist has to heat the substances in his glassware, the smith must heat the metal, the sun must heat the earth. If you work out and you're lukewarm the entire time, or lacking intensity and motivation, you're just mucking about without a TRANSFORMATION occurring to Phoenix a new body and way of being. To be quite queer, Yujiro is the best example of this step (from Baki Grappler). There's actually 5 temperatures to know of and their associations, but they're not all pertinent.

Hot, Warm, Lukewarm, Cool, and Cold. Hot is great for the heart and vessels, Warm is great for the connective tissue, Lukewarm is great for the muscles/flesh, Cool is great for the lungs, skin, and hair (don't ask), and Cold is great for the bones and brain. Cold, Warm and Hot are most relevant to the CNS. Cool can fuck your CNS. Cool is like an alchemist, judge and executioner.

Hot feeds Lukewarm feeds Cool feeds Cold feeds Warm feeds Hot. Hot decreases Cool decreases Warm decreases Lukewarm decreases Cold decreases Hot. The Hottest actually is great for Warm as well (connective tissues). Hot -> hatred, Warm -> anger, Lukewarm -> worry, guilt, Cool -> grief, misery, Cold -> fear, terror. Warm and Hot have greater internal pressure and energy. Extremely concentrated versions of the lukewarm, cool and cold have great energy too, due to plain physics. This means they require extreme pressure to become useful. If you can survive reaching the bottom of the ocean, you can smith (un)godly masterworks at the magma vents… (fuck analogies). If you psychologically and physically go as deep as death, at the VERY BOTTOM you'll find great power naturally. Unnaturally, bring your fire with you and get to work at a reasonable depth. Your equipment will make you sink either way (think of those mystical techniques/rituals that require being mentally heavy enough that you let go of your 'ego' or general mental faculties), so you'll need to learn how to maneuver. That shit is step 3.8. You'll gain ungodly conditioning and recovery this way. Think: 50% of your max for infinite reps. That is the power of DEATH.

If you aren't fucking burning during and out of the workout, you're not changing much. Even a low intensity sport needs its players to burn HOT. Don't just burn though, EMANATE. Your mind should be illuminating shit. Literally INSIGHT/OUTSIGHT. If you can't add 5 lbs or lose 15, or some small shit, you lack fire. If you aren't dynamic, you lack fire. If you can't change, you lack fire. If you lack energy, you lack fire. If it isn't uncomfortably and painfully hot, you are stuck at a SHIT RATE OF GROWTH. At a few Kelvin below the temperature of the sun, you are at an ideal temperature high. I should warn that fire is actually deadly and necessary to the white man specifically… a personal, racial DEATH. You have to go to Lukewarm and Cool somewhat often, which means adding a shit ton of muscle and distilling essential skills and movements to practice (skill work). You can avoid many troubles by being a sportsman and concentrating intently, conscientiously, on drills and skills. Start taking cold showers when you start adding lbs of muscle and are literally burning red hot. Unnecessary and a HINDRANCE to take cold showers before you are burning red hot. Don't burn out of control (shouldn't be possible if you just pick up a ball and train in a sport, and take cold showers). Remember how I said Cool is skin, lungs, hair? It's about conducting electricity. Run too much current through a wire and it evaporates. It's about logic, motor pathways, intelligence, sequence, causality, distillation … THE WHITE MAN IS METAL. Is Metal the White Man's Music? When you set him on fire it is.

Right now you're like a hobby smith. Bunch of QUAINT little doodads but nothing of greatness. Put in the fucking passion and melt all of that shit down so you can reuse the RAW MATERIAL.

R A W

M A T E R I A L

RAW

WWE RAW MELTDOWN


399725  No.139472

>>139346

Are you fucking tripping?


9cad85  No.139476

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>>139295

>>139296

>>139297

>>139346

I think I'll stick to SS.

>>139220

>me: >>125880

Oh, that explains it.


99e9ac  No.139477

>>139295

Stop producing myostatin, bud.


000000  No.139496

>>139477

I don't understand. I don't work out besides very limited isometrics(very little black monk type stuff even, just using antagonist muscles for the most part) and have relatively good muscle mass considering.

>>139476

If I recommend something to others and look like shit, then I can't really be taken seriously, can I? Without performing any /fit/ standard workout, I have decent muscle mass and proportions. Low intensity even. Basically endurance isometrics without resistance besides my own muscles. The rest is mental.

I don't have it all organized in my mind so I have to cobble it together. Try not to be put off by the presentation.


000000  No.139498

Also, I'm not recommending to anyone they give up their workout routine.


399725  No.139502

>>139498

Dude, how about you calm down a bit, and write this mess you just did properly? It looks legitimately interesting.


000000  No.139569

Alright I'll try to clarify it all. I use as multi-disciplined an approach as possible.

[Table of Contents]

>neuroendocrine, electric, chemical, [Braverman test] dopamine – acetylcholine – gaba – seratonin; estrogen – testosterone

>awareness the sublimated senses the sublimated forces, seeds or saplings, grown, coordinating growth

>mental – physical, yin yang, left right,

>power struggles

>spine – cns, defensive and offensive isometrics (armoring, weaponizing), break/ meld points, effort/intensity – base and fine motor control, adding raw material or going back to growth

>maintenance, time, decay, demoralizing, sufferage, labor discipline – principle, work capacity, conditioning

Our bodies create the right 'environment' for our cells to live in. With sub-optimal environments, our cells don't do what we want them to. Structures aren't built, currents don't generate, movements don't coordinate. The negative or negative also don't occur then. We generate environments. If you don't create the right conditions for what you want, you don't get what you want. I've given some good credence to the neuroendocrine system. The neuro and endocrine are as hardware and software. You can visualize something and your neuroendocrine system is what's going to be engaged disproportionately more than anything else. I've wondered if one could function without either systems and have with care imagined such things; I use a sense of tact, immersing my senses into events and then using these experiences to inform my imagination, ideas and perceptions, and I just get a sense of dead clay or plastic when imagining such a thing. The only thing that seems to vitalize this dead clay is the most active and forceful of things, and the most persistent and responsive. It only has richness (on its own) when you approach the infinitesimals.

Electricity rippling through the body, at times and places with intensities it shouldn't… this is fibromyalgia. I have cultivated fibromyalgia. It's terrible. I do this because I want to learn how to manage it, control it, gently guide it to be useful to me. I wanted to condition my body to be stronger. Well, it has certainly become tougher. I made sure to go through some painful and mentally destabilizing areas, and have gained a greater command of myself for doing so. I am still doing so. By learning to overcharge, you get a decrease then overcompensation in your body systems. I find it all too subtle on its own though, and as you would with a barbell, it has to get worse and worse in order to be called progress. It's much about reducing the negative effects of too much electricity. The only solution, eventually, is to burn; as your temperature and fevered thinking increases, the charge dissipates and spreads out, rather than arcing. If you want to know what "recovery" is like from this, sleep on the ground touching a barbell or whatever you nerds have in your bedroom that can effectively ground excess electricity. Images of ascetics sleeping on a cold, hard ground and liking it vs hating a soft, raised bed should inform you of one or more things… the ground is a better 'ground', and a soft bed leaves you restless BECAUSE IT CAN'T PROPERLY GROUND YOU. Being ungrounded doesn't matter for the low charge cuck, but for a high charge male, it's essential. The charge leads to a highly active, do do do busy busy busy sort of way of being. Fibromyalgia levels can only be managed by increasing your body temperature (exercise anyone?), strengthening the body and nerves (??????), and finding some way of storing, transforming or directing it (all chi level shit). Electricity can be sublimated into many things. It can be sublimated into mental faculties, for instance. Going fast, but in a pattern. Arcing, but from one pattern to a faculty. etc etc etc. This sublimation of forces is astounding and has more to do with the mind and brain than electricity, but is tied in so neatly with it that it can't be ignored. Magnetism is also to be considered. Remember to sometimes sublimate, sometimes separate the two. Sublimation can be in one direction at a time at any give location, but not really both directions at the same time. This one is a real deep topic that I don't want to go in depth on. Figure that shit out yourself. IT'S HARDWARE AND IT FUCKING HURTS.


000000  No.139577

>>139569

>>139569

I'm really not wanting to write 20 more of these fucking things so I'll take my sweet sweet time and go more in depth rather than brush up on everything.

All that electricity and borderline spiritual and mind expanding misery will make you strong, but you will not survive it. I can put a 50 lb db over my head with ease, when I don't do jack shit to justify even that much strength. Months without much except basically mental and spiritual training and I have seemed to even gained strength. I pulled a muscle playing soccer and I don't think my body has much of a sense of injury prevention right now. Not good. I just removed my injury prevention measures. Do I feel proud? Slightly. Do I need to slap those cuffs back on? Yes.

If spiritual barbarianism is not to my benefit, then perhaps blood barbarianism will… a more 'fluids and hormones' approach. I'll return when I'm more man than machine.


000000  No.139578

>>139577

As reference, I've been getting all kinds of tweaks and can remember all the specific moments I felt the fear and caution that limits neurological output and muscle activation, defends the spine and joints, etc. then bypassed it. I do all my shit visually and/or tactically (touch) before I actually do it. I didn't used to bypass natural limiters, and am suffering for it.

I try to stay cautious when getting into the blood and chemical stuff.


000000  No.139579

>>139578

**I'll

Trying my hand at basketball as well. I believe that sports is perfect in channeling aggression whilst training the body to functionally apply and develop itself without injury. I try to find the bottlenecks that particular activities relieve, and I think that for this particular issue I'm having, that sports are the solution. Otherwise, things aren't holistic enough. Having too much focus, pain tolerance, willpower and grit can be a bad thing.


99e9ac  No.139580

>>139577

>fluids and hormones

That's what I've been doing. Increasing testosterone is easy enough but I'm more interested in increasing intelligence. I've turned off myostatin production a few days ago and I've noticed the effects. It'll take a couple of weeks for obvious change.


000000  No.139581

>>139580

Bro I spend months and months trying to keep every variable similar and finding the "maintenance" region, whilst changing ONE THING and then keeping constant FOR MONTHS to see if I notice a difference, all the while staying focused on the raw information I'm gaining that is FUCKING USELESS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS – all for a single god damn 80% certainty for a single god damned variable.

Fuck you.

But yeah it sounds pretty gay I'd say the same thing.


000000  No.139583

>>139580

Unless you're serious. I've noticed that muscle gain feels more like an inhibition than an activation, and more like being wrapped in a textured moist muscle suit and less like hot dry air being pumped and charged through your body and brain.


99e9ac  No.139586

>>139583

When I grow my muscles with chi I feel a burning sensation. Your experience with this is very strange to me. The biggest obstacle is self-doubt and strong-arming doubt takes days at best.


000000  No.139587

>>139586

Well I burn to get rid of estrogen fueled shit, but just up to a certain threshold, before things disintegrate, then I cool and moisten like throwing mud on the fire, then dirt if it's getting too cold, and then I make sure the pile is warm and bind it all together into thick moist clay and start increasing the tension and complexifying the texture further into chokehold or anaconda muscle.


000000  No.139588

>>139586

The more consistently it can hold a tension, the better. I want that granular tension, no quivering shit. Pure grappling muscle.


000000  No.139589

>>139586

You have to bind it with fungi and roots. It's sort of like shit; you don't want liquid shit, you don't want constipated shit. You want it smooth but not like a tube of toothpaste. You want firm and with some definition.

Grappler muscle is exactly what you are aiming for though. The strong-arming is basically the muscle itself. Everything else is refining or specializing the muscle, but not pure muscle – it's a derivative of the pure grappler muscle.


99e9ac  No.139590

>>139588

>>139587

>>139589

Makes sense to me. Is the new muscle texture chewy/rubbery? My conceptualization sees the final outcome as being chewy/rubbery. Do you do this with existent muscle, overlay this new muscle with old muscle, or replace old muscle with new muscle?


000000  No.139591

Either you're a smith that can strike a piece of metal 3x and get the shape you want, or you're an amateur that takes 300 strikes to shape it. Same with chi when developing muscle. I'm not so great myself, but this is my process and it's based on theory and observation.

Earth = Muscle. Fire produces Earth but is just ash, so I add Water to keep it from being overstimulated and turned to dust or sands that are weak and unhealthy, and then let roots (Wood) bind it together so that the soil can be rich and part of an ecosystem (mind, movements, sports, skills, nervous system) and stay cohesive enough that I can apply further steps to the entire substrate, and then finally I refine the purpose of the muscle as being in fact muscle by taking a step back and directing it towards grappling effectiveness or some sort of exercise/sport effectiveness (specific movements and strains), by way of principled distillation of everything a muscle SHOULD be and do in said scenario, which is quite Metal. This is in effect a Power circuit. Each element controls the next. I repeat the fire then, to 'open the mind' of my muscle and let in more ash, and the process repeats itself.

>>139590

Mostly. I find that chewy and rubbery is close, but it needs a fuller and rubbery fibrous feel to it. Fire should get the feeling of sizzling, water should feel like bloating, earth should feel like jiggling moist firmness or rubber growing in size and firmness, wood should feel like a blood pump from working out, and metal should feel like armoring or becoming hard invulnerable and stable (no quivering). In the end, I focus more on the feeling of fibers tearing and then dividing into a denser and fuller muscle. You need that literal texture. Right now I'm focusing on the blood pump (wood).


000000  No.139592

>>139590

To more directly answer your question, I sizzle and rapid bloat for fire or just ignore the muscle mostly and do some fire shit like focus on my energy, slow and densely inject-bloat for water (reducing my consciousness to smaller and smaller and smaller until it penetrates between the cracks right before I 'fall asleep' then goes like an EXPANDING mudslide lahar into the muscle, which turns the liquid shit into solid dense muscle ), grappler baki for earth (transformative experience involving trust, people, mutual combat which is somewhat fire or wood, that sort of thing), just go for the massive blood pump heart thumping feel when it's wood, and for metal… metal is strange. My actual perception of things is like a panic attack that's melting off of me revealing an indestructible character of domination and conquest underneath.

It's more difficult than it sounds, but very rewarding.


399725  No.139596

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It still amazes me that the board owner bans feels thread but won't van broscience-tier chimancers that are basically yellow bamboo cult tier.


000000  No.139609

Actually I think you might be right about the fiery being the bottleneck, anon. I need to do some wood/fire stuff for health and other goals anywho, so I'm going pump n sizzle.


000000  No.139632

In chi terms yin wood transforms into metal, and yang wood transforms into earth. This is if they interact with yang metal or yin earth. Since fire transforms into earth, and is literally the most transformative element, (though arguably earth is the more relevant element for these sorts of special element transformations) it should be conducive to turning wood into earth.

Thus, the wood and fire specialization is best for gains of all kind.

Q.E.D.

So to the other qinon, the dampness I mentioned is of the wood element and a necessary element for gains but I concede the prioritization of fire, especially yang fire, since it generates earth AND wood. It's yin earth however that permits the transformation, so strict attention to form and a solid base (yang earth), rather than the yielding resourcefulness of yin earth, would be less effective. In practice, this would entail 'cheat' reps, using momentum and basing things off a good feel in the muscle or other sensation cues, such as "do I feel spent and post-coital bliss a la arnie muscle cumming?". Yang Earth stores, which means holding back a lot, whilst yin earth gives up its resources willing, meaning going balls to the walls and getting DAH PAAAAAHHMP IT IS BETTA THAN CAAAGGHMING. This is essentially the qi theory behind conventional wisdom on gains. According to the same theory, reducing yin earth and yang metal would result in great connective tissue gains. This means, focusing on a solid base and conservation of resources (yang earth), whilst getting rid of the need to be spent at the end of every workout, and getting things done with the least amount of 'action' or attention to detail (yang and yin metal). SS incarnate if you don't focus on form too much beyond the basics. I should mention that both Wood and Fire have connections to the sympathetic nervous system.




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