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 No.128951

I tried to do keto, but a life without bread is a miserable one. I could really use a nice burger or egg and cheese right now. Is it even possible to get fit by any means if I want to eat sandwiches everyday for every meal, and maybe even some chips, or home fries? That being hundreds of carbs a day.

 No.128952

You've been sold a lie. Ketogenic diets are not supported by science for the purpose of improving health in general. In fact it is empirically demonstrated in experiment after experiment that all high fat diets are bad for everyone in the long run and cause diabetes and guaranteed cancer if enough of the fat is unsaturated. High carb diets are the only healthy diet for animals in general and even "obligate" carnivores get carbs from the glycogen present in raw meat.


 No.128953

I'v been thinking of a high-carb bulk after this protein cut.

Or should I do a high-protein bulk and then a high-carb cut?

Breads awesome though, idnit? Hot damn, I really like fluffy bread that's shaped like a circle, rips easily, and's covered in maple flavored icing, or cinnamon.


 No.128955

>>128952

So what are the ideal macronutrient ratios for overall health and testosterone, bulking, and cutting?

>chips

Fuck chips. Chips are junk food, period. Bread is one thing, home fries are awesome, but try to minimize chips at least.

>>128953

>I really like fluffy bread that's shaped like a circle, rips easily, and's covered in maple flavored icing, or cinnamon.

That's called candy.


 No.128959

>>128955

Nope, it's called a pastry.


 No.128964

/fit/pill me on the healthiest bread. Everyone says white bread is shit, but grain bread seems to be full of estrogen.


 No.128965

>>128964

Why don't you try putting some lettuce and cheese in between two dicks you faggot


 No.128966

File: 942aaae610191c8⋯.png (67.31 KB, 300x169, 300:169, 300px-Meetthesandvich4.PNG)

Wrap your burger in lettuce instead of the bread or grill some eggplant slices for your burger. There are also some zero-carb breads and grain type foods sold on the internet, but they are expensive as fuck and not realistic or even worth it if you are a poorfag. Finding a good bun replacement is the biggest lifesaver you can have when trying to avoid the wheat jew.

>>128952

Found the vegan.


 No.128970

>>128952

Literally refuted by spending 30 seconds on PubMed.


 No.128973

>>128966

You're wrong. I eat animal products with every meal and eat meat everyday. The difference between me and a typical ketogenic dieter is that I control my fat intake, not only the total amount of fat, but also the type of fat consumed, and I eat sugar all day everyday, usually from orange juice, milk, or honey, but also plain table sugar added to things like coffee. I advocate eating strategies that are closer to eating the whole animal, so my advice is to eat the liver, the thyroid, and the gelatinous cuts of meat also instead of just muscle meats which are too high in the potentially anti-metabolic tryptophan and lacking glycine. And because I control the type of fat consumed, I recommend eating ruminants, which are higher in saturated fat, or low fat animals like shrimp.

>>128970

Of course. 30 seconds = viewing a couple studies. This is why you spend longer than 30 seconds to get a broad overview of the health effects of eating various types of fat. The key is to look for experimental studies, not observational polling of consumers. Polls are not scientific. The general population cannot accurately describe what nutrients they consume from memory. Animal experiments on fat intake are more scientific than many human studies in that they control for more variables and examine what happens when a change is introduced. Much of the so called "science" based on observational studies is no different from divining entrails, because the observers have no idea what series of events led to an observation.


 No.128974

>>128973

>Pubmed

>Polls

lel


 No.128983

>>128974

Yes, those can be found on Pubmed.

Dietary fat intake and the risk of incident dementia in the Rotterdam Study.

>Food intake of 5,386 nondemented participants was assessed at baseline with a semiquantitative food-frequency questionnaire.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9392577

I don't consider such a study to be scientific. The conclusions they make could be right, or they could be wrong; it doesn't matter. What is important is the ability to verify and willfully reproduce findings under controlled conditions, which is only done through experimentation, and the eventual development of mechanistic theories that are thoroughly tested, which give insight into why something happens and not just correlations. Experimentation is the chief method of obtaining new scientific knowledge.


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