/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

>>128018

>Who would win?

ZOG always wins tbh

The big guy could just put the little guy in a bear hug and probably break every bone in his body.

>>128018

Rugby by a mile. You underestimate how much size matters - it matters a lot.

>>128022

For instance

Ive seen guys take down dudes twice their size in JJ. Granted it was sparing and you start on your knees.

>>128023

I don't follow MMA at all so I'm out of the loop but isn't the smaller guy in this vid supposed to be a world class MMA fighter? I'm not impressed lol. Pretty sure I could take down that big clumsy oaf.

>>128026

It doesn't take a genius to see that they're not properly fighting.

BJJ only wins when weapons, head impacts, knee to the face, eye gouges, nut grabs, or arm bars are forbidden. On a padded mat.

It's literally a fighting style made for UFC, it can't work anywhere else. In real life if a tiny retard climbs on me the only thing I have to do is fall on a curb and break his back. It's retarded.

The big guy. There's simply no competition. The answer would be even more obvious if the big guy were to take some rudimentary hand-to-hand training.

>>128023

Imagine being in some ancient civ and having to fight some big motherfucker to the death in an arena. What a fucking way to go.

>>128034

"BJJ only wins when…arm bars are forbidden"

The latter. 250 shredded rugby player no doubt.

>>128023

Those punches and kicks can't tickle.

>>128018

Fixie bikes know how to fight big men.

Never underestimate bjj.

>>128034

Not that easy, but BJJ is one of those things that need to be complemented with other disciplines, otherwise it's a bit lacking.

>>128135

bjj is a dumb hue meme

>>128023

Macgregor was getting serious just to keep up with the Mountain fooling around. He would die in a real fight.

BJJ is fast track to cauliflower ear. Even using headgear people get it. Once the tissue in your ears are fucked, it's too late. You have to drain it regularly then because it builds up. If you give zero fucks, it'll pop when you get hit or something rubs on it during grappling for instance.

There was a guy in MMA who that happened to. I don't remember his name. At that point, his ear was shaped more like a lump of flesh. It looked like some kind of strange wrinkly fruit. When it popped, blood was everywhere.

It's better to pick something with striking like boxing, kickboxing, muay thai or something like that. BJJ is good if the fight goes to the ground, but if you're fighting more than one person, which is always the case with nonwhites, you're FUCKED if it even gets to the ground.

Spar regularly and get your conditioning up. Learn your reach and train your muscle memory. In a real life situation you want to strike and then GTFO. BJJ will get you killed.

>>128115

BJJ is only effective under about 100 rules and regulations.

>>128483

Explain how it's not effective otherwise, without pretending that the person doing the BJJ can't fight dirty in a life and death situation.

BJJ is largely a sport these days; useful in a fight, but limited. I imagine the bigger guy would win in a no-rules street fight.

Learn a martial science like krav maga or san soo. Size doesn't protect you from having your eyes pulled out or your seeds smashed.

>>128494

BJJ got popular thanks to MMA, whose rules heavily favor it. From the length of the rounds, intended to make submissions likelier, to the shape of the cage, intended to provide a hard surface against which fighters can clinch, to the shape of the gloves, designed to grapple, to absurd rules such as prohibiting knees to a grounded opponent or soccer kicks, intended to make it less dangerous to take a fight to the ground, etc.

Even then, a fight ends in a submission only about 20% of the time. And in the vast majority of cases the submission only becomes possible after the opponent has been softened up by striking.

And that's the case even when MMA attracts the world's top grappling talent, but only second tier strikers, top tier strikers compete in boxing or kickboxing. There's no viable grappling promotion.

BJJ is not bad per se, and may even come handy under some circumstances, but striking is king.

>>128547

Forgot to mention judging also favors grapplers, a take down receives an inordinate amount of weight in scorecards, and meaningless shit such as top control is interpreted as being winning. The result is that a fighter can get beat down for 4 minutes, get a take down, stall the fight on the ground for the last minute and be awarded a 10-9 by the judges.

>>128547

look up ufc 1. basically no rules and BJJ dominated. against someone who doesnt grapple, grappling is basically a guaranteed win. realistically, you should be proficient at striking and grappling. and carry a gun.

>>128444

Learn to use a knife. If you fight without a weapon you're a fucking retard.

>>128547

>MMA rules favor it

>Gloves

>Ref stands people up

>Rounds

Just look up UFC 1 like has been said before, dumdum. All these rules are the only thing preventing grapplers to just wrestlefuck or submit everyone.

>>128570

>>128596

UFC 1, as all early UFC events, was organized by the Gracie family to promote their brand of jujitsu and featured handpicked fighters. It also only had 8 fighters in total. No valid conclusion can be drawn from such a show.

Fortunately we don't have to rely on a single event from 25 years ago, as we have extensive stats from hundreds of MMA events since then. And BJJ is most definitely not dominant. Most records in the UFC are not held by BJJ practitioners.

As of right now, there's not a single champion in the UFC with a BJJ background:

Stipe Miocic (HW): Boxing (Golden Gloves champion) and wrestling (NCAA Division I wrestler at Cleveland State)

Daniel Cormier (LHW): Wrestling, both Olympic Freestyle Wrestling (2004 Olympic Team) and NCAA Division I Wrestling at Oklahoma State University

Michael Bisping (MW): Former two-times Pro British light heavyweight Kickboxing champion

Tyron Woodley (WW): Wrestling (NCAA Division I Wrestling at University of Missouri) also known for his boxing skills

Conor McGregor (LW): Boxing (Pro record: 0-1)

Max Holloway (FW): No competitive background outside MMA, best known for his Muay Thai. Out of his 18 pro wins, only 2 have been submissions.

Cody Garbrandt (BW): Boxer (Amateur record: 32-1) and High School wrestler.

Demetrious Johnson (FlW): No competitive background outside MMA, High School wrestler, best known for his freestyle and catch wresting skills.

>>128602

UFC Records

Most Wins

20 - Michael Bisping: Kickboxing

19 - Georges St-Pierre: Karate

19 - Donald Cerrone: Muay Thai (Pro record: 28-0)

19 - Demian Maia: BJJ

18 - Matt Hughes: Wrestling (two-time NCAA Division I All-American)

17 - Anderson Silva: Started with Taekwondo, but best known for his Muay Thai, also a boxer (Pro record: 1-1)

17 - Jim Miller: Wrestling (NCAA Division I at Virginia Tech)

>>128604

Most Finishes

Here BJJ is better represented, but notice KOs are still way more common than submissions even among BJJ practitioners.

14 - Vitor Belfort (12 KOs, 2 submissions) Boxing (pro record 1-0) and BJJ

14 - Anderson Silva (11 KOs, 3 submissions) Taekwondo, Muay Thai, Boxing (Pro record: 1-1), Judo, BJJ, Capoeira

13 - Frank Mir (5 KOs, 8 submissions) Wrestling (Nevada State High School champion), Kempo Karate and BJJ

13 - Donald Cerrone (8 KOs, 5 submissions) Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Boxing, BJJ, Taekwondo

13 - Matt Hughes (8 KOs, 5 submissions) Wrestling

>>128602

And just to leave no doubts about what is winning belts, let's examine their complete MMA pro record:

Miocic: 17 wins, 13 KOs, 1 submission

DC: 19 wins, 6 KOs, 6 submissions

Bisping: 30 wins, 16 KOs, 4 submissions

Woodley: 18 wins, 6 KOs, 5 submissions

McGregor: 21 wins, 18 KOs, 1 submission

Holloway: 18 wins, 8 KOs, 2 submissions

Garbrandt: 11 wins, 9 KOs, 0 submissions

DJ: 27 wins, 5 KOs, 11 submissions

All these posts ignore non-USA focused leagues. I'd put Fedor Emelianenko above anyone mentioned, and he fought with less restrictive rules.

>>128626

True, I only cited UFC stats because a couple of guys brought up UFC 1. Striking is king in every promotion.

Fedor is not a BJJ practitioner, he competed both in sambo and judo before focusing on MMA. He is considered one of the best strikers in MMA ever:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1575450-jack-slacks-top-7-strikers-in-mma-to-date

>>128631

He's primarily a sambist/judoka, but his striking is considered to be some of the best. I'd probably say judo is a grappling art though. He mainly wins by submissions and ground and pound which he achieves via grappling/throwing. Fighting is multi-faceted, striking vs grappling is a flawed argument.