/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

>>126833 (checked)

Here's a meme about it.

Healthy use of steroids is absolutely possible if you know what you're doing and you're careful about it. If you want to do it, read up on it and realise what kind of commitment you're making. Don't be stupid.

If you follow that, you'll be just fine.

>>126835

I like his stuff. Not sure how natural he really is though.

>>126837

I hope so. I'm really thinking about trying it with my buddy who has experience with it… I will do some extensive research first.

I'm 23, I hope it doesn't fuck me up in the future if I do try it.

Do you have any personal experience with them?

Do you want to leave humanity behind or are you just hitting plateaus?

This guy claims he was natty for 10 years before using and started documenting his use of steroids. He's currently on his second cycle. Its interesting to watch given not many jewtoober are open about it.

I've been using steroids since I was 12 years old. My dad used to be a bodybuilder and things were easy to access for me. I'm a girl btw.

>>126842

Did your tits grow a beard?

>>126842

Steroid tutorial or gtfo

>>126842

can you mail me some?

>>126840

The thing is, steroids, done PROPERLY(this is very important), aren't harmful at all. In fact, they are beneficial. They'll make you feel better, lift better, and of course look better.

The possible negative side effects(of test, the base compound, not of any other random roids are as follows:

Balding(If you and your family are inclined to it)

Zits(As above)

Man titties(If you don't do proper PCT)

Mood swings(Also if you don't do proper PCT)

Small balls and impotency(Temporary while you're roiding)

That's about it, as far as I can recall.It's very beneficial as long as you're watching it.

>In adolescent and adult males, side effects of Winstrol may include frequent or persistent erections of the penis

Kek I thought roids were supposed to kill ones benis.

the only thing you can get here in argentina is wonstrol and one of the secondary effects is baldness

so is a no to me

>>126850

>That's about it, as far as I can recall.It's very beneficial as long as you're watching it.

I pray so.

>>126852

Constant boners would be a problem. I still feel like a teenager in those regards some times.

>>126852

They kill you penis after you stop taking them, while you are doing this shit you are hornier than a 12 year old

Roids are a life long treatment, if you start taking this shit you better be prepared for that. Dont listen to these idiots saying you can do cycles whenever you want and if you are careful you can keep getting away with it, thats bullshit.

>>126867

>thats bullshit

My friend doesn't seem to have any problems.

But I'm still in limbo, I think I only felt like trying it because I was withdrawing on some other recreational shit.

With every day that goes by I feel more at home in /r9k/

>>126847

>doesn't post tits

You know the rules, faggot. GTFO

>>126867

Doesn't affect your penis. That's a myth.

It does or can often affect your testicles.

They shrink with extended use, so bodybuilders change to a hormone restart every few weeks.

It can work like that, but it isn't worth the risk.

If something goes slightly wrong, you will be left with shrunken nuts for life, low testosterone, possibly a messed up hypothalamus, thyroid and pituitary gland.

Then you'll need medication for life and be permanently sterile and possibly impotent.

Not worth the risks.

Just exercise harder and don't compare your self

with others.

>>126833

My advice for anyone under 50-60 thinking about doing this as a hobby, without becoming a professional and competitive bodybuilder - is think carefully about it.

Your body can produce all of what you need if you do things the right way.

Diet and lifestyle changes can significantly increase testosterone production.

Research into it and spend 6 months like that, you'll see and feel a big difference.

Otherwise, it isn't worth the risk.

The endocrine/hormonal system is very very complicated, endocrinologists themselves don't fully understand it even. Don't go playing around with it unless something is hugely broken, or if you have the chances of massive rewards - like becoming as successful as Arnold.

My own endocrine system fucked up a couple of years ago, and it has felt like my soul was taken out of my body. This happened by incident, not by taking any drugs or doing anything foolish.

I can't imagine anyone deliberately risking this happening to them without a really good reason for the gamble.

Same applies to baldness medication - those can seriously ruin your endocrine system permanently. Search for "impotent propecia" and similar.

Anything that affects your hormone system is a risk not worth taking.

It is almost as bad as all these trannies and traps heading towards early graves, cancers, brain diseases, bone and muscular wastage and heart failure because of a fetish.

Check hypogonadism/low testosterone and its long term effects.

OP here is my advice:

If you haven't hit your natty limit (after four or five years of natty lifting) don't do roids, because your gains will be better naturally.

Roids are like using cheat codes in a videogame and lifting is about life commitment and the most important gains are the mental ones, discipline and all that shit.

If you're a begginer, don't do it.

Ask yourself why you wanna put your health at risk?

Is a self image issue?

Low self steem?

Thinking you're not big for girls?

This is not a simple decision, it will have consequences.

Why do your lift for? (health or simple body dysmorphia)

WHO do you lift for? (if for yourself, then why you need roids?, maybe you need to back down from that body dysmorphia)

Unless you're into professional bodybuilding, don't roid.

Natty physiques looks natural, well proporsioned, and honestly, roids physiques looks like garbage.

>>126995

I lost a lot of progress not being able to train for a long period.

Now I am frustrated at the time it might take to reach my natural limit.

I just want to reach my natural limit and maintain.

>>126996

As an update I'm following a decent diet and working out regularly.

Beginning next summer I'll reconsider if I should look into the final solution for gains.

I just got impatient. But I can restrain the impatience.

>>126995

>Roids are like using cheat codes in a videogame and lifting is about life commitment and the most important gains are the mental ones, discipline and all that shit.

I wouldn't say that's a great metaphor. After all, there are some people who can only achieve some admirable things with steroids.

I'd describe it more like sports cars. (Price issues aside.) You want to get to work faster. A genie offers you a Civic or a Murcielago. Naturally you'd go with the Lamborghini because why the fuck not? It's fast, it's powerful, it's cool, and you'll probably smash mad puss while driving it. Problem is that it's expensive to maintain, uncomfortable to ride in, and you'll wreck it in under 10 minutes because you have no idea how to drive it. Too much power for a beginner with modest goals of getting from point A to point B.

Now if you're a professional racer, you won't be able to compete in a Civic. You're a very experienced driver, you've got a lot riding on the outcome of these races, and you need the fastest thing you can find. That's the use case for a car like that. Top-tier agility and speed is suddenly a requirement.

/o/ please don't scream at me, I'm trying to make a point.

>>128170

>steroids

fuck you

>>128218

What the fuck?

>>128170

Did you ask or answer those questions?

>>128278

I asked common questions, saying what my impression was.

Still want your answers, anons.

>>128170

>After I use it to go over my natural limit, will it be easier to maintain my limit, than if I ever took anything?

>From what I see people always tend to retain a lot of gains after the cycle is done.

This is the wrong place to look for an answer. You should be looking for experiments done on animals examining what happens when steroid usage stops. Anything on humans is unreliable as are anecdotes from gymbros.

<Oh yah bro, I'm totally not taking anything right now. It's funny how much of a big guy I am while clean. Hahaha.

If you take shit like that at face value, you don't care about truth. Even if you ask here, and there are no reputations involved because anonymity, you're liable to get a gains goblin authoritarian trying his hardest to convince you not to try any hormones, because the idea of someone achieving a better physique or athleticism without engaging in the maximum amount of masochism makes him butthurt.

Because you seem like you are inexperienced and not very knowledgeable on this topic, I would hope that you don't go into this blindly, but I'm not your mother. I do think there are overlooked, science based alternatives not that steroids don't have science behind them that would be ideal to learn about first, but in practice, if use your head and actually read up on the substances you want to take, there's no reason steroids have to give you a bad time. General guidelines are as follows:

Cycle unless you have an educated reason to take the substance chronically.

Probably avoid stacks or single hormones that have great potential for aromatization into estrogens, at least at first. Testosterone by itself is one such hormone that is full of potential pitfalls for noobs. In 2017, there are tons and tons of choices to pick from. Plain testosterone is just an old meme at this point, but be careful stacking with pharmaceutical aromatization blockers as they may have bad side effects.

There's no reason you can't ignore those guidelines and get good results either. Your body is in your hands. I just think the people who get the best results from supplements and hormones either are the most educated on what they are taking or someone educated is advising them on what to take.

>>128282

Thank you.

Before I do it, if I do it, I will carefully study and plan it. I'll stick to it, with all the PCT planed and stored from the get go.

>Probably avoid stacks or single hormones that have great potential for aromatization into estrogens

Haven't singled one out in particular, but I know I need to find a way to block my estrogen rising to match the testosterone increase. Will read up on everything.

I'm quite interested in this topic and would enjoy all the input you can give (I will not act mindlessly upon it, you can rest assured).

>>128312

>If you even think you can afford steroids AND everything else you need to maintain a healthy diet and physique then give it a try

I can. Including PCT, and AI to "counteract all that hormonal shit".

But not 100% sure I'll do it, just considering it and researching about it (quite the interesting topic, many stories and much science involved).

Btw in these last two months I've lost fat and got plenty of strength and cardio back. If I keep continuing my progress, slow but steady, I might not feel the need to cycle (even if the curiosity might still make me wonder).

>>128328

Yeah I'm gonna need a reputable source on that, Mr. Natural Sugars.

>>128336

It's usually true unless the specific institution tests for it frequently, and has high penalties for it.

So unless it is forbidden, people will use it. And even in the forces where it is forbidden it's usually only forbidden during training.

>>128341

People use it before getting in, there's no doubt, but during and to maintain that performance throughout training? Nu-uh.

>>128345

People keep it in their cars, at least at BUD/S. If you watch documentaries you can tell who's gassed and who's not. I cannot believe that you live in the USA and do not know personally at least one individual who has gone through selection. In my family alone I know 3.

>>128386

Did they graduate top of their class in the Navy Seals?

>>128390

They have okayish canned sardines

>>128390

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>>128391

I prefer tuna. It's also quite cheap and decent here.

>>128392

I don't know what it's like in Portugal, but I'm guessing the military isn't as ingrained in your day-to-day life and or as large an influence as in the U.S. At least where I live it'd be uncommon not to have multiple family members who have served.

>>128394

It's a meme

>>128394

>there are people here who are THIS newfag

i bet you also say normie instread of normalfag

>>126833

Why the fuck would you use steroids?

Everybody knows they can easily fuck up your balls and your ability to make testosterone for life. Why would you gamble with that?

Just eat more carbs and brotein, get to bed earlier, and work harder in the gym. You can achieve a great physique, great levels of strength, great health, without steroids. Unless you're a competitive bodybuilder or athlete I don't see why you'd think the risks of roids outweigh the benefits.

>>128403

>Everybody knows they can easily fuck up your balls and your ability to make testosterone for life.

You know that is a very very rare occurrence, right?

>>128404

Never seen that brand here, must be an American "import and repackage" brand.

>eating tuna

>literally slurping pure mercury

It's called a death wish thank you very much.

how do you avoid neurotoxicity of shutting down your hpta-axis and putting testosterone and other neurotoxic androgens in your blood? Serious question I want to know if it's possible

>>128589

You don't. You just minimize the risks. Most people recover fine from it by cycling properly.

>>128594

well does anyone know what the consequences of standard trt supplementation of, say, 100-200mg test enanthate/cypionoate per week would be? Would that shut down FSH/LH? As far as I'm aware the consequences of a full-on steroid cycle is shutdown of the HPTA-axis which in turn completely eliminates the production of certain important neurohormones. So if this doesn't happen on standard trt, and if testosterone levels aren't obscene enough to cause neurotoxicity on their own, it might even be healthier supplementing testosterone.

And I know there won't be much gains from standard trt but I'm more interested in self-medicating than anything else.

>>128597

Go to reddit. /r/steroids.

I'm being serious. Plenty of good information there.

>>128614

So, any good formulas to calculate how much you would need?

I assume you would need to analise your test levels, and then raise them to more desirable levels with your height/weight in mind so you wouldn't overdo it.

>>128616

I'm 200lbs and take 1ml of 250mg test per week, yet got a source recently that's only 200mg but seems stronger, so dropped to 1ml of that instead. Had some 300mg stuff that was garbage, despite being legit pharmaceutical stuff.. Perhaps start at around 100mg per week, and increase incrementally.

Worth remembering testosterone (sustenon) is slow release (aprox 1 week between shots) and test prop is fast release (3 days between shots) Some people like to balance out the ups & downs of their cycle using test prop, but I can't be bothered taking a needle in the bum 2 or 3 times weekly. Just get regular sustenon/test to begin with, if the swings are too heavy, lower your dose first, consider prop second.

If you add a further anabolic (Trenbalone is the only one you should consider initially, if at all) a simple rule of thumb is you take half the amount that you take half the amount that you do of test - 200mg of test + 100mg of tren for example. 10 weeks on tren, 10 weeks off. Trenbalone is nasty shit, it'll give you bacne & weird psychotic sexual nightmares (best part imho kek)

It's worth watching some videos on how to administer it, I get my friend to do mine & I do his. Putting a needle in yourself sucks.. You don't want to be hitting veins, and until your body is used to it you'll get sore & swollen around the spot, your arse is the safest place every time - loads of meat, not many veins, & if its sore it'll stop you sitting around… This is just a temporary thing though. After a cycle or two you won't even notice it. It's not easy to put a needle in your own backside, so have a look at where is safe on thighs would be next best place.

I've met doods that think they get better results by injecting where they're going to be working out - in the bicep day before curls etc.- this is a fucking meme. It doesn't work like that.

Finally cleanliness is yuuge. Get the alcohol wipes, clean the area, clean your hands, clean the top of the vial et cetera. Rubbing alcohol would be the same shit. Don't reuse your needles, you're asking for infections. New barrel, drawer & pick every single time. Don't be ashamed about asking for specifically what you need at an exchange or even a doctors. They deal with actual junkie bugpeople, a guy who wants to better himself is often a breath of fresh air to the person at the exchange, & doctors don't fucken care beyond the token Mother Talk.

I have 6 or 7 bottles of androgel left over from two years ago that a PA prescribed me because I asked for them while I was playing football and powerlifting. I've just recently started getting fit again, dropped 40 lbs in 5 weeks by dropping my calorie intake to about 100 per day, doing an hour of cardio, hour of weights and 20 minutes in the sauna. I've always used the t-gel on my inner thighs just because when I started using it the shoulders didn't seem to do shit. Is there a better way to get this stuff to actually work? I'm down to 240lbs now and want to get down under 210 before I start going for lean muscle mass, but I'm 40 years old and should have stayed with lifting better than I have. The fasting diet works for me, but I'm starting to lose to the hunger pains. I've thought about getting on a cycle, but I've never done them before and have quite a bit of muscle as it is already, not sure where to start. If anything I just want to burn fat faster.

Also, I read somewhere that androgel can increase a womans libido. I'm half tempted to somehow give some to my soon to be adulterous ex-wife, but I have no idea how much would be too much. Figured if she's going to be an attention whore and cheat on me behind my back, I might as well put her once non-existent sex drive into overdrive so I can feel better about rejecting her sexual advances. Yes, I'm a bad fucking person and I'm ok with that.

>>128617

With such an amount, do you cycle or just blast and cruise?

I plan on cycling if, I ever do it.

>>128614

What are your stats?

>>128625

I just cruise. Again I primarily use test for health reasons. I have a few injuries, & depression has always been a problem for me. Test helps with both of these problems better than any combination of painkillers & antidepressants.

>>128627

Lvl 7 Lanklet.

>>128629

Have you been getting any side effects?

>>128645

Need to sleep more on test for some reason, & acne can become an issue. Basically all the side effects are teenager shit, being horny all the time, needing loads of sleep. et cetera lol. The tren is crazy, gives almost everyone psychotic dreams, but winstrol was the only one I reacted badly to - got a legitimate bout of 'roid rage' from it.

Pretty much if you remember being a teenager, that's what you can expect from test.

>>128589

If you're that scared just gain testosterone the natural way.

>>128665

That actually sounds like a plus.

boi

Anyone purchased bulk roids/ peps from china? Landmakchem, made-in-china and so?

You really don't need it. Workout properly instead you faggot.

Steroids work when used responsibly but the common problem is that people get addicted to the results and double down instead of doing on/off cycles and appropriate dosages. That leads to all the weird mutant shit roids are known for.

>>126833

no it's not "healthy" to do roids. I've done them, they are legal here, its nice easy gains for a while, but long term its not worth it imo.

Are you an athlete or model who gets paid? If so then maybe the costs are worth it. But for normal people, no.

if you have normal, or high natural levels there's no reason to shoot yourself in the foot. Because chances are you're gonna like cycling or cruising for a while, and in the long run this will tank your HPTA and natural levels, so you'll have to be on TRT all your life.

Anyway watch this vid, he talks about some cons

>>128617

>Putting a needle in yourself sucks.

It's not that bad, I do TRT into my love handles. 26ga needle subq injection, barely feel a pinch.

>>133538

what flag is this?

>>133538

Also, his natural movement of the camera matches the movements and emotive of his head. Nice to watch.