/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

I think both Costco and Sam's sells a drink called Joint Juic. It has 25kcals/bottle and all of the joint supps you need. Take it with fish pil and practice third.qorld squatting for 30 seconds 3x/week.

Otherwise do a lot of elliptical and swimming work to lose the weight to help your knees.

oh fuck another thing I should mention.

I get next to no dairy in my life. Trigger warning for some: cheese is fucking disgusting, and milk is almost intolerable Ice cream and yogurt are good, but I don't eat very much of either.

How correlated is joint pain to calcium deficiency?

How important is it to ignore my damn tastebuds for this? I know there are other sources of calcium.

>>124659

>cheese is fucking disgusting

I understand leftists better than this.

t. frog

>>124659

Fucking kill yourself. Cheese is great. Are you gay or just retarded?

>>124662

Look into provolone or gouda style cheeses. You might also enjoy goat cheese. Just go to a sprouts or whole foods and ask if you can sample the goat cheese.

Kale is an ok source of calcium as are sardines, almonds, broccoli, etc. I'd suggest getting something like calcium gummies over a calcium supp since you really need to chew your calcium. Mineral water also has trace amounts of calcium.

Do you drink coffee/if so do you use cream? Try getting a good brand of milk (read: not generic) and using that in your coffee. It'll increase your risk of kidney stones, but the water you drink during exercise should counteract that.

>>124663

I am down to try cheeses. I always make an effort to after about every year, just to see if my taste has changed. Would it be better to have the cheese on its own or to incorporate it into a meal?

Living in the northwest, finding stores that sell gourmet health shit is really easy. I used to work in one, as well.

Good tip on the gummies over the pills/liquid. I've been considering calcium supplements, so I'll take that into consideration. Thank you.

Regarding milk, what should I focus on? I grew up on 2%, but I have no preference at this point. If I need to avoid milk from drugged up cows, that shouldn't be difficult to find given the area I live in.

>>124666

Gouda and provolone are more sandwich cheeses, but you can eat them plain or with crackers.

If your goal is calcium, even skim milk is alright. I didn't think about it before, but almond or coconut milk would work as well. Califia is the best tasting almond/coconut brand but also more expensive. Generic is fine as well. That being said, whole (4-5%) or extra rich (5-7%) milk would taste better due to fat content.

>>124667

I'll visit a store tomorrow and purchase sandwich components. Sounds like a great lunch. I'll also purchase some greek yogurt + granola, and try to get back into eating that.

What is the general consensus on X-enriched foods? i.e. calcium enriched, since it's on topic.

My last gf was lactose intolerant, and I fell in love with almond and coconut milk. Although, I only enjoyed them on their own since they don't make that great a substitute to milk. There's a certain heaviness that is missing, which is probably the fat content you spoke about.

>>124666

You should give Havarti cheese a try, Satan, it's very mild. Fresh mozzarella is a good choice too.

>Would it be better to have the cheese on its own or to incorporate it into a meal?

Eating the cheese on crackers or something to that effect would be the best way to eat a good serving of it, if you're looking to include more cheese in your diet. However, since you don't like cheese, you should probably put it in something (or on something hot so it melts) so you don't taste it as much.

>Regarding milk, what should I focus on? I grew up on 2%, but I have no preference at this point.

The ideal is organic 100% grass-fed non-homogenized whole milk. Organic is to avoid pesticides/gmos, grass-fed is the most important quality to look for on any bovine product ("100% grass-fed" > "grass-fed", which is only >50% grass-fed by definition), and the milk should be whole (full-fat) because it's far superior in nutrition and taste than skimmed milk (which is a waste byproduct of the production of cream/butter that was traditionally used to fatten up hogs or water plants). No wonder you hate milk if you grew up on 2%, that shit is garbage. It should be non-homogenized too, which means it hasn't been blasted through tiny holes to break up the fat globules so you don't have to shake it.

>If I need to avoid milk from drugged up cows, that shouldn't be difficult to find given the area I live in.

From a local farmer would be good so you can buy the milk RAW. I forgot to mention that, raw dairy is far superior to pasteurized or (worse) ultra-pasteurized dairy because you get lots of probiotics that are good for your gut and overall health.

>>124674

I'll add Havarti to the list. In incorporating cheese, I've found that there's a valley of disgust for me, where solid cheese and liquid cheese are more pallet-able than stringy/rubbery cheese. The lower the viscosity, the better.

While organic does mean non-GMO, it does not necessarily mean no pesticides. Organic farmers use pesticides other than round-up, but still pesticides. I worked as a produce clerk for a year and a half, and had that question posed and answered many times. Regardless, I like your suggestion of 100% grass fed. I'll look for that.

>>124675

I haven't had buttermilk before, I might give it a try some time.

What is the flavor like? I imagine it sweet.

>>124678

I've been

>>124681

>>124675

>>124667

Used to be a dairy supervisor for Sprouts for about two years, so eggs/milk/fermented products are my specialty. If you ever have dairy related questions, I'll do my best to answer. >>124674 is relatively knowledgeable though I'll state the organic label is pretty much just a license farmers pay for so they can hike up milk prices by $2-$5. I get my milk local from farms that refuse to buy into the stupid nonsense about special labels, but still try to get their cows outside to feed on grass whenever they can (sub-branch of Royal Crest), which is typically the cheapest milk that tastes the best. When it comes to livestock, the organic label is worthless. Organic milk tastes the same (or worse) than its generic counterparts. When you get grass-fed milk/butter, you're getting more omega-3s and vitamin K from it.

>>124674

>From a local farmer would be good so you can buy the milk RAW.

don't listen to him anon, you will get salmonela or some infection like that

if you want the probiotic, make yogurt

>>124695

Public health inspector who has to deal monthly with raw milk epidemic shit here.

Listen to this anon and stay the fuck away from RAW milk. There is a reason why we started processing the stuff long time ago.

>>124685

>If I recall correctly, if farmers cannot get their livestock grass to feed on they either feed them oats or straw. Correct me if I am wrong. What are the benefits and/or downsides to milk from cows fed on things other than grass?

With "100% Grass-Fed", the cows typically graze whenever possible and are fed hay or something similar during the winter. Other than grass and hay, which are both appropriate foods for cattle, they're usually fed GMO soy/corn like most livestock because those feeds are very cheap and efficient for fattening the animal up. The extreme end of this is factory farming, where the cows have no room to move and are fed copious amounts of soy, which leaves estrogen in the meat/milk. That's part of why you want grass-fed, the other reason is because grass-fed bovine products are superior in taste and nutrition, since grass is replete with nutrients and is the natural food of cattle. They are ruminants, they graze and their stomaches digest the grass taking the good stuff out of it and shitting out the rest. They are basically machines that turn grass into milk and meat. When cows are fed nothing but grains, they become ill and often require antibiotics which also poison the milk/meat.

Benefits of grain-fed: Cheap

Benefits of grass-fed: Healthy, tasty

>>124695

>>124717

Fuck that, germophobes. As long as the cows are grass-fed their milk is perfectly fine to drink raw (as long as it's fresh, not expired). People have been drinking raw milk for all of civilization's history. The probiotics in raw milk are far superior to the 6 or so strains that are artificially added to pasteurized milk yoghurt.

>There is a reason why we started processing the stuff long time ago.

$$$$$

>>124720

there is a lot of thing wrong in this post, but i can't belive you are that retarded and i don't really know if you think this is funny or you actually want to put another anon on health problems

so i will just call you retarded

if i'm in mood, i will explain why we pasteurize the milk

seriously, you made me angry

>>124720

oh, and also, you can even die for those "probiotics"

even something worse, loose your gains

>>124695

Raw milk is alright as long as you're a healthy adult and don't drink.more than 16-20oz per day. The issue is people get a gallon of the shit, and make themselves/their kids drink a fuck ton of it because it's expensive and goes bad quickly due to being raw.

If you want the raw experience without the bacteria, avoid ultra-pasteurized and stick to regular pasteurization, and aim for non-homogenized so the fats separate, then get ultra rich milk (5-7% milkfat content).

>>124765

>Idk what the fuck all this buttermilk talk is about.

This is now a dairy thread.

>>124770

>you fucks can't seem to agree on this shit.

The two things that people have disagreed with me on are:

a) the value of organic certification- they probably know more than I do when they say that it's not worth paying extra for, but an organic product is still potentially cleaner than a non-organic one.. on certain things like pineapples, you should definitely get organic because pineapples grown in latin america are often totally drenched in pesticides and I don't think they could be sold as organic after that

b) RAW milk. It is a fact that raw milk is healthier for you, and most people prefer the taste, but there is an inherent risk of food-borne illness. Similar to raw chicken, raw pork, etc. The 'healthy adult' guideline (>>124727) is a good one; just research raw milk if you're going that route so you won't get yourself or anyone else sick. I think the paranoia about RAW milk is excessive, and the dairy industry sure likes it because they pasteurize all of their products (which they have to because grain-fed factory milk would probably kill you if you drank it raw, unlike your neighborhood Farmer Joe's grass-fed Bertha's raw milk).

>>124765

>>124771

I don't mind the derailment necessarily, considering we moved from one area I need to improve to another. However, I would actually appreciate some exercises or stretches I can do that will help my knees out.

Regarding the milk, I think I will hold off on raw milk for the time being. I was expecting suggestions such as this since I view the average /fit/ man to have the input and output of their body down to a science. Starting from essentially zero, however, I am not ready to make such drastic changes. For me, I think the best method of becoming healthier might mean simply making better, not the best, habits for now. Later I can move onto even healthier habits.

>>124770

>I don't think bending my leg to that extent and holding it in place does well for my knees.

Said no yoga instructor or Chinese acrobat ever.

I'm serious about that running pic though. I've switched to running like that and I've been able to sprint every single goddamn day for the past month, before then I was taking two weeks hiatuses because of knee pain after two days of running, and I couldn't do squats or shit. It might feel silly at first but you'll get used to pretty quick as you'll quickly learn that the impact is all being put into your calve muscles instead of your knees. And I don't have to tell you you can swim to get your cardio in. But if it's aesthetic leg work your looking for you can always try stationary shit or something, there are always alternatives to everything, even alternatives.

Do consider the knee wrap stuff though. They're like no more than 20$. We could use some knowledge about that stuff around here. And has anyone mentioned or asked what kind of shoes you wear when you do your workouts? And make sure that when you're doing your squats you're lifting with your heels, not the balls of your feet and toes. And I'm not going to tell you to go looking up workouts for when you're at your desk, but you can try doing stretches to keep everything limber. I doubt your current sitting style is doing that much damage if it's actually comfortable. If it were having any drastic effects on you, you would probably notice it. And I don't have to tell you to consider seeing a physician, but a fitness coach, especially a student in fitness and exercise at a local college, or one you can find on a forum, might be able to give you better advice.

>>124773

I just bought minimalist and then toe shoes. They naturally make you end up running like that over time.

>>124773

I did state in a previous post I have several braces. I can elaborate and say that they range from full on fucking metal supports and hinges to a simple, firm sock that fits over the length of the kneecap. If there is more benefit to using a wrap, though, I will take it into more consideration.

Thank you for the tip on the squats. I tried the third world squats suggested earlier, and I nearly fell on my ass a couple times. Once I achieved balance, though, it felt great. Worked the muscle around my knees well.

Regarding running, >>124781 Do you two only sprint when you run? How far do you run like this? While I do agree that the first example in the running photo is horrible posture, the second cannot be kept up for 5 kilometers unless you're running the whole stretch. My form is a more toned back version of the second one. Fingers loose (holding feather), elbows close to torso, balanced posture. Just, full foot and not just the toes.

I think I'm basically saying that I jog more so than I run, as there is a difference.

>>124780

Do almond milk/coconut milk have comparable amounts of calcium as cow's milk?

Their ice cream is shit. Same with Umpqua. I prefer my ice cream more ice than cream, if that makes sense. I've found that freezing melted ice cream produces that effect, but I haven't tried it yet with a full tub.

>>124782

I typically jog 2-4 miles on my jogs. I jog/sprint heavy (get faster as the run goes on) for a minute then speed walk for 2-3 minutes in intervals.

Glad to hear the third world squats are working for yah. They re-balance the weight to different muscle groups when you go to do core lifts, helping out down the line.

>>124783

Top right* fuck

Top left is the military grade shit that chafes the skin

>>124784

That makes more sense, then. I can see myself running like that with those intervals.

The earlier post said three times a week for a measly 30 seconds. Is there anything stopping me from doing that once a day?

>>124851

there better be more of that.

Stop running for a few months. Strengthen the muscles that support your knee. Get strong hips. Find something that you can squeeze between your knees, and then do wall squats, and leg raises. Move on to something that is harder to squeeze as time goes on. Get your minerals. Make sure you are flexible in the right places, and not too flexible in places you shouldn't be. Some people spend way too much time doing hamstring stretches when the problem is coming from a weak core, a "loose" hamstring is bad for your knees. Correct the muscular imbalances in your legs if you have them.

>>124851

holy fucking moses….

first, filenamesauce:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiggerThanYouThought/comments/6od6j1/i_need_you_guys_to_find_this_one/

second

>BC shots

explain, is that something that makes girls lactate? I don't something like that exists but know nothing about it.

Can deadlifting fuck up your knees?

>>124859

I started with 100kgs(220 in burgermetrics) 5x5, i have a way harder time holding the bar than lifting it. My worry is because i have a noticeable longer left leg.

>>124859

Consume it by any means you want. It tastes fine by its own though. Just make sure you're getting the right stuff, that's been simmered with bones, water and vinegar for 8+ hours

>>124860

>i have a way harder time holding the bar than lifting it

Buy stronger forearms. Either that or grow them yourself.

>>124859

> Birth Control

but what kind of BC? never heard about this before and surely doesn't happen with any of that medicine

>>124858

and fuck me, just today I've started feeling some knee pain on my right leg,

after workout, most likely sprinting on HIIT, since I've also done it yesterday

>>124833

so is the basic consensus here is just drinking milk?

because I sort of already do loads of it, love it with my coffee, and also fucking love cheese

besides murican fat processed cheese, muzzarela and local cheese here tastes amazing

>>124866

>Buy stronger forearms

>>124860

> i have a way harder time holding the bar than lifting it

I have the same fucking problem, also during pull downs, and a lot of other exercises is either grip or forearm that fucks up

but its just like that, they get stronger as time goes on

>have bad knees

>oh cool thread let's see wh-

>complete ruined by dairyposting

fuck you guys so much

>>124891

Birth control works by tricking the body into thinking it is pregnant. Among the ways of doing that is pumping the body with the same hormones it produces during pregnancy, which turns off the process to drop eggs down the vaginal wall and turns on the process of producing milk.

>>124943

Then contribute to the thread, faggot. I've been trying to encourage posts on physical solutions, since we've blasted the dietary issue out of the water by now

>>124635

You should strengthen the muscles around it. Just do weights that are still comfy.